Subject: SMML18/07/99VOL610 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:35:07 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Further on sub sinkings 2: Re: Berry Head 3: Re: Japanese Submarine Sinkings 4: Re Hood & AP507B 5: Don't use Munsell colors guys... 6: 1/300 Arethusa 7: Re: USN & USCG 8: RN website 9: Warspite ? 10: Re: (Shipmodel)Destroyer 11: Re: DASH Helicopter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: 1/300 Arethusa 2: Re: Plastic Ship Modeler 20 3: Neptun 1/1250 models in stock at East Coast Miniatures -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: hpetersen@zebra.net (Dr. Hazel Petersen) Subject: Further on sub sinkings Whoops! I made a teeny, tiny mistake in my post re WWII Japanese sub sinkings. The other Japanese subs were sunk first by detonating charges in their torpedo tubes, THEN the sub that sank the Indianapolis was sunk in the manner described. My question remains the same. Red-facedly yours, Glenn Merrill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Peter Hall" Subject: Re: Berry Head From: Mark Sloan >> I've just received a model from HP Models, the "Berry Head", described by them as a "Truppentransporter". However, H.T. Lenton's book lists it as a Maintenance and Repair Ship for escorts. I'm confused. Can anyone help me discover just what kind of this ship it is? << Hi Mark, 'Was'is the word I think. HMS Berry Head is listed in the Royal Navy in Focus 1960-69 as being an Escort maintenance ship,which basically means that she provided a means of berthing and maintaining Frigates and Destroyers belonging to fleets that were deployed overseas for long periods. She would have carried a team of specialised maintenance engineers as well as the normal ships company, plus all the spare parts needed to keep the fleets small ships running properly. Ships of this class were also known to provide accommodation facilities for the companies of ships under maintenance should they be required for any reason. Depot ships became redundant when the good old British Empire caved in on itself and long overseas deployments became a thing of the past. HMS Berry Head apparently ended its days as an office block in Devonport dockyard. Regards Peter Hall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Subject: Re: Japanese Submarine Sinkings From: John Snyder The story of sinking I-58 sounds a bit aprocryphal to me--the stuff of myth and legend. But on this subject, a few years ago in the course of my job with the California Department of Transportation, I was surveying a historic house in Lemon Grove, California. Invited inside by the older couple who own the house, I noticed a fine painting of a US fleet sub underway, hanging on the living room wall. When I commented on it and asked the old gentleman if he had served in subs, it turned out I was right. He had started his WW2 service in S-38 under "Moon" Chappel, then moved on as exec of a fleet boat (whose name I forget at the moment). He finally got his first command just after the end of the war: one of the I-400 class Japanese subs (I-401, I think), and his first orders for his first command were to take her out and scuttle her! Can you say irony? Dwight Putnam ended up as an Admiral before he retired. He has since passed away, unfortunately before I had the chance to get back down there and really interview him. I am still in contact with Mrs. Putnam, however, and really must find out what she has done with his Navy memoirs and materials. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re Hood & AP507B Hi Art Almost certainly part of the reason the superstructure look brighter is to do with light hitting the upper surfaces. The hull also has a sheer which will add a slight shadow to the colour. The other factor will be the sky and sea. Because of the proximity of the darker sea, the hull appears to be darker. The sky is lighter and so the upperworks appear lighter. A darker shade makes a colour appear darker and vice versa. Some months ago I sent several people an article which discussed the question of colour and how it was affected by various factors. If you're interested I can send you a copy (if I can find it). Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Don't use Munsell colors guys... If you contact Munsell (Gretag/Macbeth) and ask them for a chip based on Alan Raven's PSM info, your colors will be wrong, plain and simple. Alan used the 1929 Munsell color guide, Munsell changed the standard in 1943 and again in the 1970s. For example, 5PB 3/5 in 1929 is not even close to 5PB 3/5 of 1943 or 1974, or today. You NEED a 1929 Munsell book, or a reproduction that clearly states it's a 1929 version. The USN, when they developed the purple blues and attached Munsell numbers to them, used the 1929 Munsell book, since the 1943 guide was not released until late in the year, well after the purple-blues had been developed and standardized. It's real simple fellas (and ladies): buy John Snyder's and Randy Short's color chips, they've done the research. Jon Warneke and I also did a TON of work with Munsell when we did our set, which is still up on WARSHIP. While many of our colors aren't perfect, it did give us a vast knowledge of the inner workings of the Munsell system, both the new system and the 1929 version. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: clydew@matra.com.au (Clyde Witcombe) Subject: 1/300 Arethusa Hi SMML and Art Nicholson To answer your question, I am the guy that requested camouflage information for the Aurora. I haven't built the Lee kit yet, but an in-box perusal shows it to look a very good kit indeed. I don't know where you can buy it in the US, but Frontline Hobbies at Newcastle: http://www.FrontlineHobbies.com have it for $AUS28.95. Thank you for the 1941-1942 camouflage details, that is exactly the sort of info I am after. What about the decks? In 1941-42 would they have been natural teak or stained/painted? I don't suppose you could provide a scan of the 1942 photograph as an attachment to an email?? Clyde Witcombe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: CaptainOD@aol.com Subject: Re: USN & USCG USN vs USCG. I remember one other uniform difference, when I was still enlisted in the USN, the Coasties still had a pork pie style hat with their winter uniform while we had the dixie cup. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Keith Butterley Subject: RN website Hi guys, Checkout this great RN website http://website.lineone.net/~mojotundeselase/ I found it as a link on the IMM homepage. Way to go Felix. Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Alan Lindstrom" Subject: Warspite? The Warspite arrived at Puget Sound Naval Yard on August 11, 1941 for repairs and refit, not completing until December 28, 1941, at which time she proceeded to the Indian Ocean via the Pacific, arriving in Ceylon on March 22, 1942. She remained in the Indian Ocean until March 1943 when she was ordered home. My question is, since the Warspite was reported to be in a camouflage scheme using 507B and 507C in 1942, was she painted as such at Puget Sound, and if so, did the U.S. import the paint from Great Britain, or did they approximate 507B and 507C with their own paint stocks. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: (Shipmodel)Destroyer Sounds like the infamous 1/125 Lindberg Blue Devil Destroyer. Have been accurizing mine for over four years to resemble USS Johnston DD557. Abandoned RC awhile back, but have some ship-specific RC research to share. Contact me for details at mailto:amsimon@yahoo.com Alan Simon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: DASH Helicopter Was DASH Officer, USS Grand Canyon AD28, 1969-70. Actually flew QH-50D (nearly killed an instructor)! Will share detailed description, drawings and personal commentary. Contact off-list at mailto:amsimon@yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: 1/300 Arethusa Our RN Set 2 paint chips will include a match to a sample of Mountbatten Pink Light, taken from ARETHUSA's paint locker. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: dhjonespsm@juno.com Subject: Re: Plastic Ship Modeler 20 Hello to all, Plastic Ship Modeler #20 is at the printers and is scheduled for delivery on Friday, July 23, 1999. Contents of PSM 20: News and new product reviews - 11 pages of new goodies from all over the world. Twenty Seven Charlies - conclusion - building a post war ESSEX class by Ray Bean Photo feature - IJN Seaplane tender CHIYODA IJN Seaplane Tenders, CHITOSE / CHIYODA, MIZUHO, and NISSHIN - with 1/700 plans. Building the Iron Shipwright USS DETROIT by Dave Judy. Imperial Russian Cruiser ASKOLD - history by Falk Pletscher. MAC Ship - EMPIRE McALPINE - scatch built feature - by Mike Cooper. The Elegant Liner - SS SCOT (with 1/700 plans). Dioramas by Chris Drage - Russian Convoy - three different Flower class Corvettes, a Liberty Ship, and HMS TRACKER - an awesome set piece. And all our regular columns: Bibliophile - books about ship modeling. One in One Hundred by Paul Jacobs. Navinfotel by Ray Bean. Reviews - three pages of books of interest to modelers and ship enthusiasts. Plastic Ship Modeler is published quarterly (more or less - we are still behind schedule due to numerous technical glitches - Caroline - I sympathize - been there - done that). Subscriptions are available directly from myself or from several agents. Daniel H. Jones (Editor/Publisher) P.O. Box 2183 Arvada, CO 80001 USA mailto:dhjonespsm@juno.com Subscription rates: USA, Canada, and South America - $20.00 per year (4 issues). Overseas - $25.00 per year (4 issues) Payment for direct subscriptions can be made by cash, check, or money order in Dollars - checks drawn on an American bank. Sorry - no credit card payments. For those preferring to pay by credit card, the following agents can accept orders. Contact them directly for their rates. White Ensign Models, Gardener's Cottage, Cowarne Court, Lower Eggleton, Ledbury, HR8 2UF, Herefordshire, England. Christian Schmidt, 81377 Munich, Sauerbruchstr. 10. Germany NNT, Schweizerblick 25, D-79713 Bad Sackingen/Harpolingen, Germany Pit Road Ltd., 5-10-3 Kajigaya Takatsuka, Kawasaki City, Japan. Daniel Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Michael Morse Subject: Neptun 1/1250 models in stock at East Coast Miniatures I have the following Neptun 1/1250 models in stock: CV Unryu...$98.00, CV Shokaku...$89.00, BB Bismarck...$89.00, CB Renown...$80.00, CB Hood...$80.00, CB Gneisenau w/ 15" guns...$85.00, IJN Torpedo Boat Shimushu...$14.00, CL Perth...$42.00, CA Tone...$59.00, Tsugaru Minelayer...$26.00, BB Rodney...$69.00, CL Emerald...$48.00, CL Oyodo...$40.00, IJN Sub I-16 w/ midget...$19.00, BB N.Carolina...$68.00, CV Yorktown...$79.00, CA St. Paul...$62.00, DD Fletcher...$22.00, AO Pecos...$42.00. Planes: 3 per pack @ $5.00 per pack: Arados, Avengers, Walrus I, Hellcats, Jakes, Devastators, Zeros, Vals, Wildcats, Swordfish, Loire 130's. Mastercard, Visa, Discover accepted. Email at mailtp:ecminis@bellsouth.net or phone 561-642-0026. Thank you. Mike Morse East Coast Miniatures -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume