Subject: SMML20/07/99VOL612 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:25:48 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Something to share 2: Re: USS APL 46 3: Arethusa camouflage 4: Re: Sub Stuff 5: Humbrol Matches to Royal Navy Paints 6: Channel Dash/Turret Tops -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Sheridan, John" Subject: Something to share While searching for Camouflage schemes to add to my USN Camouflage Website, I found a really interesting photograph of the USS South Dakota (BB-57), in of all things, MS 12 modified! I though that the photo might be mislabeled, so I took out a magnifying glass and double-checked the hull number. Sure Enough! the caption was correct! It was always assumed that South Dakota only wore one scheme; MS 21 throughout her career. Now it appears that she wore this scheme at least through her builder trails in 1942. This means that all of the South Dakota Battleships did carry MS 12 Modified when built 1942. John Sheridan Help me fill-in the holes! Visit my USN Ship Camo site at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jrsheridan/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USS APL 46 I checked my 1944 and 1965 editions of Fahey. The only APL [unpowered barracks ship] listed was APL 1 (ex-S.S. AMERIKA) in the 1944 edition. John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Arethusa camouflage September 1939 to spring of 1940. Unknown April to midsummer 1940. Believed to be Flotta type Midsummer 1940 to early 1941. Unknown Early 1941 to approximately October 1941. Mountbatten Pink October to December 1941. Two color Admiralty disruptive design. December 1941 to January 1942. Unofficial scheme using white, pale blue and pale grey, for special operation into Norwegian fiords in the last week of December 1941. January to April 1942, Overall medium grey. April 1942 to March 1943. Four color Admiralty disruptive type. December 1943 to January 1944 Dark hull and light upperworks (with variations). ADDENDUM December1941 to january 1942. In addition to the camouflage scheme for special raid into Norwegial fiords; Large swastikas PAINTED on the foredeck and quarterdeck, and possibly in the waist port and starboard. DECKS A mix of wood, steel and corticine up to the time of 1942 refit. From 1942 refit, a mix of wood, steel and, probably semtex. REFIT September 1941. Tripod masts fitted, Radar fitted Twin 4" guns fitted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Sub Stuff >> I remember the old "show off sub". I don't recall if it was the Revell or the Renwal, I was trying to build back in '67, but the fits (or lack thereof) drove me to tears as a 12 year old. Put me off of ships in general for nearly 35 years. << 1967 would have been the Renwal kit, and I also remember doing one back in 63, also at age 12, and having the decks bulge because of the fit problems. I also remeber the $%#*& missile tubes didn't fit in the deck. Now, that I've got a couple of these old kits, I'm going to try to do them right! >> I think I've learned a little since then so, I'm taking on Revell's Lionfish. I know those dimples at the torpedo doors are a flight of fantasy. But were the torpedo doors flush with the hull or did they stand out noticeably? Mark << As you surmised, the "dimples" on the stern tubes should go... I remove them with some sand paper. What I usually do is fill in the torpedo tube outlines (bow & stern) with several thin layers of putty, and then carefully measure and cut torpedo shutters out of thin (0.01) plastic stock. Use the drawing of Greenling in "US Submarines in Action" (Squadron) for the correct shapes of the shutters. There are better references, but that's one of the most readily accessible. The shutters fit snugly, almost flush to the hull, but the slight thickness of the plastic adds some relief, and probably represents them pretty well. Finally, if you are doing a Lionfish, toss the kit supplied guns and conning tower into the trash and treat yourself to one of the four available Nautilus resin upgrade kits. I wrote reviews of all four of them, representing the Gato (3 stages of the war) and Balao class subs, and they are on the Warship's review lists. I am almost (no, really!!) done my WWII conversion of Blenny from the Lionfish for one of her former crewmembers, and will submit a write-up and photos of the project to Warships (including the torpedo shutters!). Tom Dougherty But how are you going to reproduce that distinctive gurgling engine as seen and heard in "Operation Petticoat"? Mistress Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: Humbrol Matches to Royal Navy Paints Folks, Using John and Randy's Royal Navy WWII ship paint chips I have come up with the following matches for some of the colors using Humbrol enamels. I would invite others to evaluate these mixes and share their finds with the SMML group. 507A - H112 Tarmac (*) 507C - H147 Light Grey (*) 507B - H145 Matt Medium Grey (good) MS1 - 50% H67 + 50% H77 (*) MS2 - H106 Ocean Grey (*) MS3 - H175 Hellgrau + a touch of H34 (good, it seems that a mix of H115 Russian Blue and H34 could match it) MS4 - H162 Surface Grey (good) MS4A - not matched (a mix of H23 and a light grey may produce it) B5 - H144 + touch of H34 (*) B6 - Himmelblau (H34x67drops + H109x10drops + H94x4drops + H25x1drop - this is Humbrol's formula for Himmelblau, fair approximation) WAB - mix of H25 and H34 (pure blue, H122 fair approximation) WAG - 50% H65 + 37.5% H90 + 12.5% H23 (fair) Light Green - mix of H76 and H34 (H76 seems to have the best chroma from Humbrol's greens) Brown - H186 + a touch of H34 (*) (*) very good I hope this helps. Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Channel Dash/Turret Tops OK, you Kreigsmarine experts (Dave, Falk, Evart), here's a query that turned up on another list: >> The recent North Atlantic camouflage thread has reminded me of some info I've been looking for .The prime query concerns the colour of the Gneisenau's turret hoods during the Channel Dash (Operation Cerberus) in February 1942. Scharnhorst's were blue, Prinz Eugen's were red - any ideas about Gneisenau? I read years ago that they may have been yellow - can anyone confirm this and if possible give a source? Similarly, is there any reliable information on what recognition colours were used earlier in the war? Thanks-I hope someone can come up with the goods ! Bill Cormack mackcor@email.msn.com << You can answer Bill directly, but make sure the answer also appears here on SMML. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys Hi John, According to pictures in "The German Battleship -Gneisenau" by Siegfried Breyer (soft cover photo journal) photos on pg 30 -35 show alternatively a completely dark turret and a dark turret with light coloured turret top. Could possibly be yellow but hard to say. Maybe someone else can shed some more light on this? Shane (via Lorna) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Rob Mackie" Subject: Warship Update This week's Warship (http://warship.simplenet.com) update includes the following new items: Pacific Front July Update: The entire 10 page mailing on-line! 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