Subject: SMML28/07/99VOL620 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:58:26 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: HMCS Prince Robert 2: Re: Questions on ballast 3: Re deck tone for Sheffield, circa 1940-41 4: Normandie and paint chips 5: Re: Royal Navy Traditions 6: New York City Ships 7: Re: Foeth's Vacation Report 8: Warspite camo 9: Humbrol Mixes for Teak Planking 10: Kriegsmarine Recognition Colours 11: Re: AD NOT SAME AS AR 12: Re: Questions on ballast 13: Squadron In Action and Classic Warships books 14: Re: Brown study 15: HMS Warspite Camouflage 16: Re: Sea Witch Clipper 17: H.M.C.S. PRINCE ROBERT 18: First Model 19: Shinano 20: HMS DARING 21: WWII Italian Colours 22: Subject: Sheffield Deck 23: USA / RN Carrier decks 24: USCG markings 25: IPMS(USA) Nationals, and thanks 26: Re: Paint 27: Arizona and Illustrious -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: More JSP Models 2: Warship Page Upcoming Features / JAG Collective FRAM Gearing 3: Modelers Boatyard update 4: 1/350 HMS Hood and others on the way 5: Calling Michael Noeth 6: Re: Italian Colors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Ron Hillsden, Victoria BC Canada" Subject: HMCS Prince Robert Since I posted yesterday, I found that Vanguard Model Marinehobcen@ottawa.com has modelmakers dwgs for the Robert. Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada My boat club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Modelmakers Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Questions on ballast Mike Dunn wrote: >> A question to all you "real" modellers out there (not these "Johnny-come-lately" plastic or resin modellers - -just joking! I enjoy plastic & resin modelling as much as building vessels to sail, so all replies are welcome). I'm at the stage that I'm ready to start ballasting out my scratch-built Leander frigate. {Snip} What do other people use? Any/all hints & tips will be gratefully received << Hello Mike, I hope this is not too late to help you, but when I build my models, I try to make the majority of the ballast removable, to reduce the amount of weight I have to lift in and out of the water. I do this by using ingots of lead as much as possible, that fit into boxes in the bottom of the hull. They are head in with a clevis pin arrangement so they don't shift, even if the ship rolls on her beam ends. Of course, a nice big battery helps with the weight, and has the added bonus of additional running time. To adjust the trim of the ship, I do use the lead shot, but again, build areas into both sides of the ship, as well as the bow and stern to contain it. To gain access to these, even after the ship is done, I place a plastic tube under a removable deck fitting that leads to that compartment. After final ballasting in the water, I can pour some heated (so it is thin) epoxy down the tube to seal the ballast in place. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography Now with online ordering! http://www.modelersboatyard.com/seaphoto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re deck tone for Sheffield, circa 1940-41 Hi Lamar >> Is there a Humbrol color, or mix of colors, that will reasonably match HMS Sheffield's bleached teak decking, circa 1940-41? << In their new colour system guide, Humbrol give the following mix to replace their old "deck bleached teak" Humbrol 94 x 25 Humbrol 34 x 6 Humbrol 101 x 3 Humbrol 73 x 1 Numbers of course relate to the "drop" system, Cheers! Caroline White Ensign Models For a feature on the new 1/700 HMS Jervis, please click here: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/jervis/jervis.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Vimieraa@aol.com Subject: Normandie and paint chips Forget the Normandie, Do the Euryalus instead, all the data is readily available including plans and photos. I have heard that the SS outfit have actual paint samples from the paint locker of the cruiser Sheffield in the 1942/43 period. Is this true, could it really be the case or just a nasty rumour? If true then HOW LONG will we have to wait --- HOW LONG? I hear rumors of other samples from lockers of other R/N ships in the war period. This sounds just too good to be true! WELL!? Speak to us please. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: Royal Navy Traditions >> Ah, but there are advantages to both countries designs .... RN has rum, USN has ice cream, << Rum, sodomy, and the lash were in the finest traditions of the RN according to Sir Winston C., First Sea Lord. I was involved with the UK POLARIS program many, many years ago and in a land far, far away. The naval constructors with whom I worked used to laugh at our USN dry boats with popcorn and ice cream machines. But at least they still had their rum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: New York City Ships >> There is a post WWII DD next to her (the Intrepid), but beyond my field of interest ... << Foeth, I am shocked, just shocked that you didn't put a name to this ship in your SMML posting. How could you do such a thing to USS EDSON (DD-946)? Dave Riley Portsmouth, RI (Edson XO - 1981 to 1983) P.S. Just kidding. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Foeth's Vacation Report Evert-Jan Foeth wrote: >> In New York I boarded the Intrepid, which has a very interesting exposition in the hangar, and some aircraft on deck. (So that's the SR-71 Blackbird? Yawn...). The ship itself is moderaly interesting, but has been... << As much as I am enamored of ship models, Sir it shall be 11 in Dahlgrens at 400 paces if you ever insult the Blackbird again :-) IMHO, the Sr71/Blackbird is the most awesome aircraft ever flown. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Alan Lindstrom" Subject: Warspite camo While the Warspite's camo is being kicked around, any theories on what color the decks were painted? Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Mark L. Shannon" Subject: Humbrol Mixes for Teak Planking The following are Humbrol mixes I use for representing deck planking. The first one exactly matches the old Humbrol Authentics HN4 Deck Bleached Teak. 4 parts #103 Cream + 2 parts #159 Khaki Drab + 2 parts #34 Flat White + 1 part #72 Khaki Drill. Several people have commented that they think this is too greenish in tone, and so I use it over a mixture where the proportions of #159 and #72 are reversed for disimilar plank effects. Playing with the ratios of these four can get you a wide range of possibilities. If you want a fresher teak (less sun faded and holystoned) I would suggest substituting #26 khaki for the #72 Khaki Drill in either of the above -- this gives a bit of a honey-tone to the mix and darkens it. Again, play with the ratios to your liking. The big trick is to think subtle differences for dissimilar planks -- too stark a contrast between adjacent planks will tend to make the deck look like an old weathered barn. (For those who are counting, these are also very useful for Clear Doped Linen on fabric covered aircraft (you know who you are)) Mark L. Shannon The early bird gets the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Bill Cormack" Subject: Kriegsmarine Recognition Colours Hi If this topic has been discussed before, please accept my apologies in advance - I have tried to access the archive repeatedly, so far without success. I basically want to know the turret hood colours of Gneisenau and Scharnhorst from the start of the War to the Channel Dash, and especially Gneisenau's during the latter event. Thank you. Bill Cormack Hi Bill, Shane says he's not sure about what's happened to the archive link, it was working fine a few weeks ago (before the Yahoo merger). He'll look into it shortly when his back is feeling better. In the meantime to access the archive listing go to: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/4712/volumes/ Right click on the links & save to your hard drive. He also said there should be more issues going up in the few weeks. Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: AD NOT SAME AS AR In response to Dave Baker, I was speaking without my notes. Thats sort of like being on a trapeze without a safety net. Dave is correct about the ships, I apologize for any confusion. Loose Cannon has a Vulcan class AR kit and they sell a pair kits of Dixie/FULTON [not Sperry] class tenders which share a majority of common parts. They're boxed separately and have separate instructions with a B/W photo of the ship for camoflage purposes. Either way, these ships will fill a major gap in the fleets which populate our display cabinets. (I opted for their Quincy and am awaiting one their APAs) Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Questions on ballast Mike, I'll assume that you have all the running gear in the hull spaced out nice and even, the deck and superstructure with fittings placed on and the battery in place so that she sits in the water level and you need extra weight to bring the waterline down, because sometimes when everything's said and done the waterline is too low (not that I'm talking from experience or anything :-) ) and it's harder to make stuff lighter after it's made than before. There are a lot of different ways to add ballast, and many things that can used for ballast, lead fishing weights work well for me. You can put them in little plastic containers and glue them where needed or build compartments out of wood or plastic into your hull at even locations and pour as much as needed. Securing with good epoxy will work as well as instant glue. Epoxy has to be mixed properly and can not be too old. You can even use sand or rocks in covered containers. Plastic storage containers come in many sizes and shapes, film containers and prescription bottles work well also, the trick is to size them so that there is little room for the ballast to move inside. Metal bars and rods are avail at hardware stores and wholesalers. The thing I love about R/C is how much you get to use your imagination and creativity, almost anything will work if applied right. Have fun, Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ed Grune Subject: Squadron In Action and Classic Warships books In addition to the Squadron "US Light Cruisers in Action" book due out this fall, Steve Wiper of Classic had the cover for his new light cruiser book. It too is due this fall. While on the subject of Steve and his books, he was saying that he drove to the IPMS(USA) convention from his home in Arizona by way of Houston, where he dropped-off the new Warship Pictorial #4 on the USS Texas. He said that the people working at the Texas memorial opened the box with the books, their eyes lit up like a kid's on Christmas morning. Now that I have even more documentation, its getting harder to justify not starting on the Viking Texas. (I'll have to do it sooner or later!) Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: tom Subject: Re: Brown study >> Ah, but there are advantages to both countries designs .... RN has rum, USN has ice cream,. .. RN had armoured flight decks.. USN had damaged decks . . .. hey, that is an RN advantage .. true they had less aircraft. . but if you can't operate them the USN advantage in numbers is moot. << OK, it sounds like the Brown books just made my "must have" list. Due to another discussion here a while back I picked up "Kaigun" and that has been worthwhile. Anyhow regarding the carriers I think it is like asking which was the "best" circa 1850 cargo carrier... a clipper ship or a paddlewheel steamboat. The answer is it depends where you wanted to ship your cargo, New York to San Francisco or New Orleans to St. Louis. The RN wanted armoured flight decks for use in constricted waters dominated by land based airpower. The USN wanted big air wings for blue water fleet engagements. For the carrier battles of the Pacific big air wings were the right choice. Barring shortages a USN air group for mid 1942 was 36 dive bombers (half in a "scouting" squandron), 18 torpedo bombers and 18-27 fighters. There would have been room for a number of additional planes as spares. With a small air group what would you have to give up? Scouting and reconnisance? Powerful offensive attacks? Fighter escort for attacks? CAP? With 80+ planes you can do all four, with 50-55 you have to give up at least one, probably two of these critical abilities. No, I say to each his own. Armoured flight decks are the thing to have running convoys through to Alexandria but you are not going to win the battle of Midway with 3 Illustrious class carriers. Best regards, Tom Kremer P.S. In a totally unrelated note I see that the last USN ship from the Marinship yard in Sausalito has been retired after 50+ years service. USS Vanguard (TAG-194) was built as an oiler and converted to a missile-range instrumentation and navigation research (read spy?) vessel. That leaves Kaiser-Richmond built USS Range Sentinel (TAGM-22, originally an amphibious transport) as the last large WWII era ship active in the US Navy. I suspect there are still a number of smaller vessels like diving tenders, salvage tugs, utility boats, etc. of similar vintage. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: HMS Warspite Camouflage Dimi: It is indeed possible that it is Formidable with Warspite it the photo, but I tend to doubt it; the carrier is wearing a scheme that we know for sure that Illustrious wore, but I have never seen any evidence that Formidable wore this scheme as well (though both Formidable and Illustrious wore almost identicle Admiralty disruptive schemes later on in the war). At about this time (Spring 1941) Formidable wore a two or three tone irregular grey on grey scheme which was different than the two tone scheme worn by Illustrious. See the photos of Formidible in the book "Battle in a Wine Dark Sea" (I don't have the author's name at hand) where Formidable is misidentified as Illustrious, and the photo of her in the Australian War Memorial Photo Database (negative number 007043). Hope this helps! Best wishes, Mike Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: CaptainOD@aol.com Subject: Re: Sea Witch Clipper Just back from the US Nats, great time, and great Tarawa, just sorry I didn't get a chance to meet any fellow SMML's. Been reading the first model stories and one caught my immediate attention. Loren Perry mentioned the old Sea Witch Clipper Ship kit with metal decks by Marx. I had this kit but as nobody else has/had ever heard of it, I thought I had imagined it especially as I couldn't remember who made it. Did Marx or other toy companies make other ship kits like this? Bob O'Donovan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Tom Dean Subject: H.M.C.S. PRINCE ROBERT Hi gang: As far as pictures go, the only good one I could find of PRINCE ROBERT was in "Ship of the Canadian Naval Service" Macpherson/Burgess. Like Ron said, there is a book on the three Prince ships, title escapes me at present. Will look into it further. Have a number of books that I will look into when I get a chance. As luck would have it though, there are plans available of her. You can get them from Vanguard Model Marine in Ottawa. They are in 1:96 scale, two sheets, general arrangement and hull plans. Cost $20.00 CDN plus handling. Makes a model about 48" long. Address "The Hobby Centre" 113-2466 Bank St., Ottawa, Ontario K1V 1A4. The plans show her in 1943, in her AA config. If they are up to the usual standard of this supplier, they would be all you need to make an accurate model of her. You can also reach them on line at http://www.hobcen.com go to ships.........then Vanguard to order. Hope this helps, I will try to find out the name of the book. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Tom Dean Subject: First Model Hi gang: The first plastic model I remember making was a Japanese Zero from Monogram models. It was purchased at the hobby building and the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto around 1958 or so. It had retractable landing gear, and dropped a bomb. The workable parts lasted about a week. The first ship model I remember making was USS MISSOURI, Revell models, purchased around the same time. Of all places it was purchased in a tire store that also had a small toy section for whatever reason. I shudder now when I think of the colours used and the paint job itself. Probably took all of 3 days to make anyway. Like many of you stated, it probably met its fate, like many other models in a pond with a cannon cracker with the wick out a funnel or direct hits from a pellet rifle. My models were not consigned to this fate until my mother had inflicted irreparable damage with her mindless need to dust everything in my room. What's with this thing of blowing up, shooting, burning, and mayhem with old ship models and the odd water fowl that got in the way? Were we a sick lot in the 50's & 60's? Whatever, after all these years, a few hitches in the navy, moved on to scratch building, and still love ships and all things nautical. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Shinano Howdy: I picked up the Shinano kit the other day and have a few comments/question regarding. Is it usual that a kit be so different than the test shots? The test shots show a two part hull and this kit has a single piece hull. Is it me, or does it seem like the hull is for the old tooling Yamato? I never had that kit but the bow looks wider than the new tool Yamato I have. In my box was 3 sprues (individually wrapped) of boats and AA guns, although it seems that the main sprue of the Shinao already has all the AA I need and there is no call for a flotilla of small boats in the instructions. Overall I'm quite impressed with the look and size of the ship, and have tossed the idea of converting a 1/350 Yamato into the Shinano (more a scratchbuild really as the only part from the Yamato is the hull!. Does anyone have comment or criticism (good or bad) regarding this latest offering? Cheers Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Les Brown Subject: HMS DARING I am looking for a good quality, coloured crest of the destroyer HMS Daring. I did download one from the net some time ago (I forget where from now) but when enlarged the quality is not too good. Anybody got any ideas? Les Brown mailto:lesbrownvt@compuserve.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "John Rule" Subject: WWII Italian Colours "I've started to expand my 1/700 collection to include Italian ships and have the BB Conte di Cavour and the DD Freccia on the way in them mail as I'm writing this. Does anyone know of any good references for painting these ships? Camo patterns are not the issue- it's more the colors they used and how they compare to other nationalities' colors for example. I think Snyder & Short may be planning a set of paint chips, but I'm hoping to find some good references before that." One of the best references on Italian warships is a publication called Orizzzonte Mare. The books were published as a series something akin to the old Profile books. Each volume described in detail a particular class of ship. The books were profusely illustrated and included colour profiles of the various camouflage schemes worn during their careers. The books began publication in 1972 and completed all of the battleships and heavy cruisers. Publication stopped in 1986 after reaching the light cruiser Emanuelle Filiberto Duca D'aosta. However in 1993 a continuation of the original series was launched, which completed the light cruisers and commenced the destroyer classes. Unfortunately I have not seen any issues published after 1995 when the volume on the Navigatori Class was released. These books were written in Italian, but that aside, they are excellent reference works for anyone interested in the Italian Navy in WWII even if you can't read Italian (Latin helps). It's a lot easier than Polish or Japanese. With respect to the colour profiles, some of the colours are a little suspect but hopefully with the release of the Snyder & Short Paint Chips for the Italian Navy later this year the colour question will be put to rest. Mistress Lorna, I think all these Smellies had too much money when they were young. My first attempt at ship modelling would have been when I tried to whittle a yacht out of a 2"x4" (or as it was then a 4"x2") when I was about 8. Damn near cut my thumb off with a hacksaw trying to cut the stern. I never finished it so it ended being converted into a 1"x2". Thanks for filling in while your worse half is laid up. All the best, John Rule (dying in the humidity in Toronto) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Sheffield Deck Hi Lamar Try No.121 Pale Stone (yes it does work suprisingly enough). If its still too dark just add white to taste. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: USA / RN Carrier decks Regarding the questions of flight decks, it seems to me that the one that was out of action longer is of inferior design. My question is which was faster to repair when both suffered an equal amount. My first ship model I can remember was a wooden Strombecker Gato that is still on my shelf. Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: OstromPL@nswccd.navy.mil Subject: USCG markings Hello All, I just received a 1/300 Revell USCGC Robert B. Taney Cutter model. Apparently, there are two versions of this model, one with the "racing stripe" and one without. I got the one without but the model is so old that the decal sheet was "stuck" to the plastic bag and part of the "W37" ended up getting stuck to the plastic. I was wondering if anyone out there in SMML-land knew of any resources to obtain USCG markings? The damaged decals is a mixed blessing because I was interested in putting the "racing stripe" on anywise. I figured it is always easier to find letters and numbers then it would be finding the "racing stripe" and the USCG insignia! Help! :-) Pete Ostrom Woodbridge, VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: John Snyder Subject: IPMS(USA) Nationals, and thanks It was really nice to meet some more of the SMML modelers at the US Nationals. I now have a few more faces to go with names I see appearing on the list. Our thanks go out to those who purchased paint chip sets, and thanks for the continuing compliments on the product. For Randy and me, the latter really makes the effort worthwhile. Thanks also to everyone here whose purchases--either direct from us or from our dealers--have supported our ongoing efforts to provide the best materials available for color accuracy in naval modeling. We'll continue working to always provide a well-researched, quality product. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Andy Anderson Subject: Re: Paint Does anyone know were I can order Polly Scale Model Water Paint online .... Thanks Andy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" Subject: Arizona and Illustrious Hey everyone! I have a couple of unrelated questions today, just to keep myself off balance. First the Arizona. Does anyone have the Tom's 1/350 1941 kit? My question concerns the "special brass" parts that were included in the early releases of the kit (I appear to have a late one). What's on that sheet? How hard is it going to be for me to scratch the stuff that is there and I don't have? Anyone who can give me any info on this or the kit in general, I would be very appreciative. Seems like a great model overall! Now the Illustrious. I have the Heller 1/400 kit with somewhat ambiguous painting instructions. Does anyone have any idea what the actual disruptive scheme looked like? What colors (colours?) were used and what period does the kit represent? Seems like a decent model, any comments? Thanks all (and thanks Lorna for carrying on!) Getting this mail is one of the highlights of my day! Michael Satin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: MORE JSP MODELS 1/700 Gearing Fram 35.00 1 1/700 Modular Piers BB/Carriers 28.00 2 1/700 " " " Cruise/Dest. 28.00 1 1/700 Tug & Barge 28.00 2 1/700 USS Iwo Jima 95.00 2 1/700 US Arsenal Ship 65.00 2 1/700 USS New Orleans 65.00 1 1/350 USS Damato Gear. Fram 135.00 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Rob Mackie" Subject: Warship Page Upcoming Features / JAG Collective FRAM Gearing Prior to the IPMS(USA) Nats, I published a First Look at the JAG Collective FRAM Gearing on the Warship page. You can see it at: http://warship.simplenet.com/JAG%20Gearing.htm The JAG Gearing is excellent. The pattern is more detailed than the Jim Shirley FRAM, now out of production. In fact all the JAG kits are impressive. Their 1/350 USS Asheville Vietnam era gunboat is a particularly interesting subject that should do well. You can see that too on the Warship page at: http://warship.simplenet.com/Asheville.htm . The JAG product listing page is accessible from the Link on the Warship hom page at http://warship.simplenet.com Coming later in this week is a product page for WSW/ B-Resina. Formerly known as Doc Modell, this German producer of 1/700 waterline kits continues to turn out outstanding models. A review of their WW1 German Battlecruiser Lutzow goes on the Warship site Wednesday, to be followed next week by reviews of the WSW Petropavlosk (WW1 era Russian BB), WSW WW2 German light cruiser Karlsruhe, and WSW five-stack Russian cruiser Askold. Also coming soon are reviews of the outstanding Clipper Models 1/700 early WW2 Canadian Corvette. This little gem sets new casting standards in 1/700 scale. And I will be taking a close look at two excellent 1/400 offerings from L'Arsenal, their late war Flower class corvette and their modern Aviso Type 69 French frigate. Then, hopefully, there will be time for a vacation. It is indeed a good time to be a ship modeler. Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Tony Suess" Subject: Modelers Boatyard update The Modelers Boatyard now has Badger Air Brushes MODELflex Marine Paints available. Developed with the assistance of both professional modelers and maritime experts, these state-of-the-art paints are available in 51 colors ranging from Anti-Fouling Red Oxide to Shipyard Grimy Grey. See them at http://www.modelersboatyard.com/Fittings/modelflex.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: 1/350 HMS Hood and others on the way The rumors of the upcoming kit of the 1/350 Hood proved to be true at the IPMS/US Nationals. The ICM reps were there and confirmed the much circulated rumor. Two German WW-1 BB's are also on the way. The 1/350 Grober Kurfurst and Konig will be released later on this year. The Hood should be released in the next few months according to the reps. A new company, JAG Collective produce more modern warship kits (It's about time!) They had a very nice 1/700 scale Long Beach ready to sell and a display of a stealth aircraft carrier. This is the same CVX design I saw on the Navy web site about six months ago. It looks like a Star Wars star destroyer! Other kits they offer are 1/700 Gearing FRAM, 1/350 USS Asheville PG, 1/350 PT-200, 1/700 SSN Skipjack, 1/700 SSN Sturgeon. Future releases include 1/700 USS Austin LPD, 1/700 USS Albany CG and 1/700 future stealth aircraft carrier. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Calling Michael Noeth Mike, Your catalogue came back to me with no forwarding address. I know you read SMML. I need your new mailing address so I can send the catalogue to you. Contact me off list. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Italian Colors Yohan: We are definitely planning a set of Italian colors, probably around late November. I believe we have 9 chips on hand at the moment to match (Randy has them, which is why I'm uncertain of the number), and we're trying to nail down another one or two colors. If you need to paint before then, you might want to take a look at the color reproductions in the softcover book on Italian BBs. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume