Subject: SMML12/08/99VOL635 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:04:00 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: First Ship Model 2: Polish DDs 3: Re: IPMS 4: Airfix Iron Duke 5: Re: Dutch nagging 6: 1/700 Skywave Fletcher, the saga continues ..... 7: Re: 1/700 aircraft- TDBs, SBDs, etc. 8: Visual Cues on Scale Size 9: Warspite and Rodney 10: IJN Nagato 11: Carrier Aircraft 12: Mystery ship 13: BB-57 14: Mystery Picture??? 15: Re: New Jersey Instructions. 16: Re: Man 'O War Books 17: Re: Mirage Grom & Blyscawica 18: Revell SSP 1/542 (?) FDR 19: More on the TRUTH about color... 20: Re: BWN CV-6 21: Eclipse 22: Paint question 23: Re: Vegemite 24: USN Post WWII Camoflage 25: "E" Award colors 26: Richelieu 27: Re: USS Nautilus - SS168 28: Type XIV U-boat Q 29: Mystery ship 30: Re: Yorktown Aircraft 31: Book on Big Mo 32: Re Enterprise Biplanes 33: Mystery Pic 34: Re: Mystery Photo 35: Mystery Ship, Man-o-War, and Mountain tops 36: Zuiho / John Snyder 37: Ms 21 principiant question 38: DASH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: 1/700 Scale aircraft 2: Announcement - Model Show - Brisbane, Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Connelley Subject: First Ship Model Howdy: Regarding first ship models, mine is now finished! Let it be known that a 1/426 Revell USS Arizona was completed at 3:45:31 Hawaii Standard Time. The 400+ hours invested in the model (I recall starting in late September of last year!) includes installing one GMM photoetch set, 17 soft metal parts and many many scratchbuilt parts and little fix-ups here and there. I'm working on pictures, so if you'd like a few please email. My second ship, the new 1/700 Yamato, will be underway shortly. Ironically, this project started 10 months ago simply as a warm up for the Yamato I'm about to start. Let that be a warning as to how seemingly benign project can rage out of control! Naturally, I'd like to thank everyone out there in SMMLand who replied to my calls for help and whose postings I read and whose tips I used even if they weren't directly related to this project. SMML was a tremendous help, without which this project could not have been successfully completed. Cheers Mike Connelley Congratulations Mike, well done. Now all we need now is some pictures ;-)) Mistress Lorna & Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Polish DDs Hi Peter, I too am interested in hearing about the quality of these kits from Mirage. According to the April 1999 FineScale Modeler Magazine - Mirage was planning to issue in 1999 the following kits in 1/400 ORP Mazur - a torpedo boat I think ORP Burza - DD (Wicher class) ORP Dragon - CL (former RN 'D' class) ORP Conrad - ditto ORP Wicher - DD There is also a 1/60 scale kit of the Yacht Polonez coming out/or is out. I found a site on the Polish Navy in WW2 that has details on most of these ships. http://info.fuw.edu.pl/~janbart/AB/PLN/MORZE/pln.htm It seems that the DDs were either built in England or France, depending on the class. The Grom/Blyskawica were unique ships as far as I know, built in England prior to the war. Two more were on the slips in Poland when the Germans invaded. I hope that this help, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS Rusty, I think you missed my point (and by the way, my post was only my opinion which I do not wish to force on anyone else), I am not against P.E. nor am I against using some other materials, I simply feel that the old "mostly" plastic rule was what made the I PLASTIC MS unique. Resin is a plastic so that allows all those great models. As far as figures go, there are more than enough plastic and resin figures available today that they could be worked into anything you might need, and doing that is what made IPMS so great. It was a little harder to work mainly in plastic and that made it more special. Or maybe we should change it to IMS instead of IPMS. The truth is that I make models professionally and I use all sorts of materials. While I use a lot of plastic when it suits the model, I do not limit myself and call myself a "Plastic Modeler". At any rate, even though I received some off-line emails agreeing with my views after that post I'm sure it will change nothing, I just had to pull your chain a bit on the wooden deck bit. Hope I didn't make you angry, that was not my intent. You know what they say about opinions, they're like XXXXXXXXXXXXX, everybody has one. Cheers, Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Airfix Iron Duke Hi Matt, I just finished that kit late last week for the NY Ship Model Festival. I used phoocopied pages from RA Burt's book to try to model her as she appeared at Jutland. They way I approached the fighting top was that I used the kits starfish part #84 as clunky as it was, I had no alternative. I filed down the two pins on the top, but I kept the round locating nub. I cut a piece of plastic tubing - a few millimeters, that had an opening just wide enough to fit over that nub. I think I had to drill the tube out a bit to make the opening a wee wider. I then glued part 89 on top of the tube. I comes pretty close to the RA Burt drawing. As for blastbags, this was my first time attempting this. I tried using white glue - I applied just enough to cover the opening and let it dry. The glue dried as it shrunk, so I used a little more to make it look fuller. They came out ok, but I think I will try some of the other methods, like Milliput, to see how it looks. Of course, my Iron Duke wouldn't have looked as good without the WEM photoetch set for it. It really adds a great level of detail to her. Good luck and I would love to have some photos of you model for my website gallery. I hope to have photos of mine up soon. Regards, Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "foeth" Subject: Re: Dutch nagging >> Quite a broadside that one Evert-Jan. Your comments sound an awful lot like those who complain about lack of models of their favourite subjects and then do nothing to contribute. At least IPMS Holland is fortunate enough to have several ship classes - the most I've seen at the IPMS Norway Nationals in one year is six ships of all classes. Yes, they were all painted:) << Wha! I did enter, (even won something, a trophy with the IPMS label fixed onto it with sticking tape, no joking!). I hope I can get my silly Fletcher done for November (Well, should be easy) As for the multiple ship classes, well, that's true. Though the number of modelers is below 20 in the SIG, still 3 classes. The ship section is brand new, and perhaps more members will enter. The IPMS normally has an annual exposition in the dutch aviation museum, which takes a week, with children running around, and most modelers wont risk damage (Some build a display case) and the level is thus low, even for most of the airplane kits. The serious modelers don't even go to that modeling show. It does tend to hide the good modelers from view. Now that there is a SIG for ships, some actually came out of their hiding. Normally it's aircraft, a lot of modelers and classes, and a few classes of military vehicles. The military guys are in a different modeling group altogether. Skills there are sometimes incredibily high, and there I loose with honours. They even organised their own contest, a small one, but very high quality. Some even won the Euromilitare once (And that is really good). Some of them showed up for the military categories, but did not win to the amazement of all members of the other modeling group. The IPMS nationals are interesting, with a lot of shopowners etc, but the jury system still remains a bit odd, as the general jury system fails to pick out the better models, which became apparent in the 1:35 group. But it still was fun, and it remains the only small scale ship modeling group, so the only thing left to do is to make it the best modeling group on the face of the earth, or I will die trying! Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Cataldo Torelli Subject: 1/700 Skywave Fletcher, the saga continues ..... Hi again: Thanks to everyone who answer my doubt about the Skywave Fletcher. I'm planning to build the USS Kidd (DD-661) in her 1943 version, when she wore Ms21 and has (I think) the original armament arrengement for a square bridge Fletcher. This is my main doubt: ARMAMENT. Could please anybody put some light on this subject? Thanks in advance, Cataldo Torelli Madrid, Spain. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: 1/700 aircraft- TDBs, SBDs, etc. Michael, Check out White Ensign Models "Airstrike" range of 1/700 resin aircraft. They have a huge selection in production and many more in the works. I got some F4Us from them and they are quite nice. Price is reasonable also. I believe that they have most if not all of the major US carrier planes in production. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Visual Cues on Scale Size Pictures and illustrations in science and technical journals have a scale stick comprising black and white bars to give the reader an indication of the size of the object. Else the photographer places a familair object like a coin next to the object for comparison. I think it will be a good idea if such sticks, say with 1/2 inch or one inch B+W markings, are made available by the organizers of club meetings or model contests so that they can be loaned to photographers to place next to the model they are photographing. This will really help scale-sized challenged people like me to visualize how big the model is. Describing them as 1:250 or 1:400 with no photo reference other than a blank wall, floor or tabletop for a background leaves out a big impression. For photographers, if no scale bar is available, please do place a familair object like a coin or a ball-point pen near to the model to give us an idea of the sixe of the model. Kelvin Mok (klmok@home.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Warspite and Rodney Hi Dimi Regarding Warspite she retained her 507A/507B camouflage right to the end Watton's Anatomy of the Ship has a photo (P.35) of her on the way to the scrapyard in this scheme. Regarding Rodney I think it unlikely the colours changed. There are a couple of photos in Man O'War 3 which show the same side and are dated 27 May 1942 and 26 May 1944. I cannot detect any change in shades or contrast between colours apart from those caused by the different angles and weather conditions. Man O'War 3 also states that Rodney retained this scheme to the end of the war. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: IJN Nagato Hi all I seem to recall seeing that Aoshima have released a re-tooled Nagato. Is this so and if so is it any good. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Carrier Aircraft Hi Michael White Ensign do both the F3F and Devastator in their Airstrike 700 range. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Mystery ship Hi All The mystery ship isn't Jeanne D'Arc which is totally different in appearence and when refitted was painted in MS12. Its very unlikely its a Tacoma class as well. Firstly it has a row of scuttles just below its foredeck which the Tacoma's did not have. Secondly, from the photos I've seen Tacoma's did not have the davits near the cut off. Finally there is also a RN design director tower on the rear of the bridge. For this reason it's not a dutch gunboat either. Algerines had a square cut off and this one has a rounded cut off. So we're left with British Escort Sloops or Frigates (Bittern, Egret, Black Swan, Modified Black Swan or River). I hope Shane's scan at higher DPI works, otherwise this is about the nearest we're likely to get Chris Langtree Hi Chris, et al, Thanks for all the answers so far. Hopefully we might be able to narrow it down a bit now. I re-scanned the image at 4800 dpi & re-sized it to fit on in a page. It's still a bit fuzzy, but a bit clearer. It can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/4712/pics/unknown02.jpg Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Timothy Dike Subject: BB-57 Hi gang, First welcome back Shane, I just back back from vacation myself and wanted to share some info concerning the Battleship South Dakota. On my drive back home I stopped in Sioux Falls South Dakota to see the BB57 Memorial, and it was a pleasant experience. I had expected to see a nice plaque with the mast mounted nearby, but instead found an excellent display of pictures, documents, models, and even some of the ships equipment. The lady on the staff (sorry her name escapes me now) was extremely helpful, pulling out blueprints to go over the ships configuration with me. The photo's include battle damage from the Guadalcanal battle and a picture that shows BB-57 in what appears to be a Measure 12 mod. scheme. Two of the models were donated by the Navy, one is over 12 feet long and appears to be 1/48 scale. I had only an hour to spend there and it just wasn't long enough, as there was so much to see. I plan on going back soon, with fresh batteries for my camera (don't ask), and do a little more original research. ; ) Even had the opportunity to talk to one of here former crew members who was also visiting, definitely worth the trip! For those of you in the area, the memorial is located in Sioux Falls, SD just a mile east of I-29 on 12th street. They also have several items for sale, T-shirts, caps, et. If you go there ask when they will have the covers done on the SD book. There seems to be some kind of delay getting them printed and I was really hoping to get a copy. mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Barry Gerrard" Subject: Mystery Picture??? I think this is photo of a ship of the BLACK SWAN or modified BLACK SWAN class of sloops. The main reasons are 1. two sets of boats, the after one is on goose neck davits 2. there appears to be a director abaft the bridge and 3. the raked funnel. These features are not borne on a TACOMA class frigate -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: LBart73@aol.com Subject: Re: New Jersey Instructions. I have this kit and can provide a copy. Just need a snail mail address. My e-mail is mailto:LBart73@aol.com Larry B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Man 'O War Books Greetings, The Man 'O War books I'm aware of are the ones mentioned (County Class, Rodney & Nelson, & V/W Class Destroyers), as well as No. 4 (Hunt Class), No. 5 (Town Class Cruisers), and No. 6 (HMS Hood). I have heard that there was a No. 7 on the Flower Class Corvettes, but I've never seen it. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Mirage Grom & Blyscawica Greetings, The destroyers Grom and Blyscawica were built in England before WWII for the Polish Navy, and escaped to England just before the war broke out. Both served with the RN, but the Grom was lost during the Norwegian campaign to German bombers. The Blyscawica survived the war to become a memorial or museum ship in Poland. Mirage has marketed the Grom as built and in 1940 and the Blyscawica as refitted during WWII with twin 4" guns and as refitted post-war. I would suggest looking at Dan Jones' reviews in PSM. I have started the 1940 Grom, and think it's a nice kit, though the fit of the decks to the hull could be a little better on mine. There is an article on the two ships called "Thunder and Lightning" in Warship issue No. 4, which is also found in Warship bound volume No. I. Good luck! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: modeleral@up-link.net (Al Superczynski) Subject: Revell SSP 1/542 (?) FDR Well, I finally got one of these to relive my boyhood with (thanks, Todd!). Anyone have any comments re just how bad the kit is other than the flat bottom? Is the box art painting fairly accurate as to overall colors/colours? Any photoetch available? How about extra and/or replacement aircraft? If I can get enough of them I may just be crazy enough to add a hangar deck. Or am I already crazy for just considering building it at all?? ;-p TIA, Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: More on the TRUTH about color... >> Subject: Re: The TRUTH about color... FYI, John's house is painted MS 32/3D........ << Well, my wife is constantly after me to put down those silly models and paint something worthwhile, such as the walls in the master bedroom. Do you think she'd go for a nice "Mountbatten Pink"? Mike L Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: BWN CV-6 Micheal, Your on the right track! Laying out the bulkheads between the hanger deck and the flight deck will help, I believe the instructions call for this also. The gaps are from shrinkage. As for the hull sections, they should have "dimples" for drilling holes for pinning the sections together. After drilling these holes use the pins to dry fit the 3 upper sections together, then fit the bulkheads in and see how the deck lines up, shim as neccesary to make eveything line up. Then you can add the bottom pieces, bow, stern then midship sections, shim as neccesary. I used this method when I built mine! This is time consuming, but I think it will work for you. When I got everything glued together, I taped 3 pieces of 260 grit sand paper to a FLAT surface and "lapped" the topside flat so the deck would be perfectly flat. As its been about 2 years since I built mine I'm searching my dust cluttered memory for more points. Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: CHRIS DRAGE Subject: Eclipse Hi Gang, To follow on from Falk's comments yesterday: We too had a very interesting experience here in Blighty with the solar eclipse. It was quite amazing. We had clear skies in the very south of England where we missed the total eclipse by a smidgeon but experienced the best of the partial eclipse, watching the whole event projected onto white card by a pair of binoculars. The effect of the sun darkening in a clear sky was quite uncanny, the temperature dropped and everything seemed to hush (including the breeze) for the duration of the maximum coverage. When the sun was a full crescent shape so all the sunny gaps in the shadow of trees' canopies were also crescent shaped - a myriad of pinhole cameras! Sadly, we missed the Bailey's Beads, solar flares and the 'diamond ring' but it was an amazing experience for all that. If you ever get the chance to witness the event - do so! Sorry this isn't about ship modelling - even that had to take a back seat yesterday. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo.... (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Ross Bruce-QBR000 Subject: Paint question Greetings, I'm sure that this has already probably been covered but, can anyone give me some hints/tips about the use of Polly Scale Acrylics with an airbrush. I'm fairly comfortable with enamels, but it looks like Polly is the only one that has the USN colors I need (ie: 5-H, 5-O, etc.) And speaking of the aforementioned colors, how close to the correct color/tint are they? I'm a little colorblind when it comes to blues and greys so help would be appreciated. Thanks, Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Matt Melchert" Subject: Re: Vegemite >> Gee, I don't know what "musk" you tasted, but it sure as hell doesn't taste like raw meat. As for Vegemite, you don't know what you're missing ;-)). << At the risk of opening a can of worms, Marmite is FAR better! :) To get back on board the ship topic, maybe you could spread Vegemite (or Marmite/Promite/Megamite) on the decks of your ship models to make them look like natural wood... :-D Matt Melchert The Waikato Polytechnic Hamilton, New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Ed Grune Subject: USN Post WWII Camoflage John wrote >> Boy, now there's a photo to cause me to go out and buy one of JAG Collective's kits of this class. I always liked their lines when I was in the Navy, and got to go aboard one once (CROCKETT?). << I got my JAG Collective Asheville at the Nats. I went looking for information on the class ans stumbled onto the PG sailors site. I'm doing it as the Crockett [boring], but the upocoming theme for next year is "Heros ... Real & reel". Here in Texas Davy Crockett qualities as a hero -- if not a god {small g} Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Ed Grune Subject: "E" Award colors Can anyne out there tell me the colors associated with the "E" Efficiency awards proudly painted on stacks and bridge-house sides. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Robert A. Clifton, R.A." Subject: Richelieu I recently purchased the book Le Richelieu from Pacific Front Hobbies. It is an amazing book, except that it is written in French. There are two or three paragraphs written about the camouflage pattern used on the ship after it was refurbished in Brooklyn during the war. I can read "Measure 32" although I somehow get the feeling that it is not exactly Measure 32 as I know it. Is there a SMMLie out there who could translate these few paragraphs for me? I'll gladly send you the written description (since I don't think this particular book is on everyone's shelf). In return, I'll send you my first child, who I no longer have any use for, since he never learned French. What's the point of having kids if they can't help you? ;-) Thank you in advance for your knowledge and kindness. Bob Clifton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Nautilus - SS168 >> Noticed with great interest Bill Gruener's mention of a new USS Nautilus - SS168 - model. I just want to ask, to be sure: is this the same "Nautilus" that was chased by IJN DD Arashi at Midway, spotted by McClusky and leading him to the fleet? Figure it probably has to be, but want to be sure. Since it's posted as being in a 1943 config, I'm wondering if it would have changed since June of 42. Don't imagine subs change that much but what do I know? << It is indeed the big Nautilus (V-boat), with 6 inch guns that was present at Midway. I have never heard the story of her being spotted and leading McCluskey to the fleet-do you mean the sub or the destroyer returning from chasing the sub? Nautilus (V-5) and her sister Narwhal (V-6) were built in the 1920's. as submarine cruisers. Slow, sluggish under water, and difficult to maneuver, they were not really competitive for battle with later designs by World War II. Nautilus was used to land raiders on Makiin Island in 1943, and the kit depicts Nautilus as she was outfitted at that point. Very nice resin kit, BTW. Got to see one at the recent SubCommittee Subregatta. YES, subs DO change that much!!! I am constantly telling people to pick a precise time for their sub models and find refernce photos. Nautilus was modified with cut backs from her bridge and other feaures. WWII Fleet submarines were constantly being modified and refitted. The USS Gato of 1945 barely resembles the USS Gato of 1941 in configuration or outfitting. Conning towers esepcially were cut back and modified heavily, as were shears, guns and radio/radar masts. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: LYRAD108@aol.com Subject: Type XIV U-boat Q Hello, It's been a long time since I asked a question here, but I recently found a curious schematic of a Type 14 U-boat. It seems WAY to tall, but the Milchkuh did carry 203 tons of fuel. Also, is that figure for internal fuel or internal and the fuel used for resupplying other U-boats? Anyway the schematic is at: http://uboat.net/types/xiv.htm U-boat Net - Type XIV Also, I plan on doing a large project for the next subregatta. I'll be doing a large book of submarine schematics. Right now it focuses on German submarines, but might expand the scope if I can find some more schematics (any pointers would be appreciated.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Brian Selzler Subject: Mystery ship Hi Shane, My guess it's one of the Grimsby class sloops. It looks sort of like a picture of HMS Wellington in H.T. Lenton's "British Escort Ships". Your vessel appears to have unshielded single gun mounts which I think rules out it being a Bittern, Egret or Black Swan. Something else that occurs to me is if this is a personal photograph as opposed to an official one and it falls out of a book purchased in Oz. perhaps it's previous owner had a connection with one of the four Grimsbys that served in the RAN. Did any of those ships spend time in European waters and did they wear an Admiralty camo scheme? just some idle musings, Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Yorktown Aircraft Michael: In 1940 Yorktown shipped the following airgroups: VB-5 with 22 BT-1s and 1 SBC VF-5 with 22 F3Fs and 1 SBC VS-5 with 19 SBCs VT-5 with 23 TBDs There was also a utility unit with a variety of aircraft. This is from U.S. Navy Aircraft 1926-1941. On Page 267, there is an overhhead shot of Yorktown with a deck full of aircraft: F3Fs, SBCs, J2Fs, an SB2U, BT-1s, TBDs, and others. I purchased 18 F3Fs from WEM recently. Just got them all assembled last week using the WEM aircraft parts PE. Got them all painted last weekend. Hope to get them all decaled before the Fort Worth show on Saturday. As far as SBDs, I don't have my WEM catalog sheets handy, but you can check them out on the 'net. If they have them, they pay the shipping costs anywhere in the world, as Caroline is so fond of saying. To any Dallas/Fort Worth SMMLurkers out there, we could have a pretty good contingent of regular SMMLer posters at the Fort Worth Supercon on Saturday at Vandergriff Park in Arlington. Ed Grune and I are there for sure. I think Mike Quan is planning to attend. I'll be wearing a CV-2 Lexington ballcap, stop me and say hello. Marc Flake (8 miles from the Supercon, where it's still in the 100s--but its a dry heat.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Lim Chan Hiok Subject: Book on Big Mo Hi, all, I'm wondering if anyone who have these books tell me which is better as a reference for building Tamiya's Big Mo. 1, Iowa Class Battleship: Their Design,Weapons & Equipment by Robert Sumrall 2, Battleship Missouri: An illustrated History by Paul Stilwell I already hv the Floating Drydock plan book. Thanks in advance. Hiok Kuching, Malaysia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: kenny_II Subject: Re Enterprise Biplanes I have a copy of the book by Steve Ewing about the Enterprise and on page 17 he has a Navy photo taken off Pearl Harbor in 1940 showing the biplanes on the deck. Hope this helps. Tim Maleck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: Mystery Pic Here are my thoughts: Well, I think we can rule out the Mod Black Swan class on account of the apparent raked pole mast -- the mod Black Swans had lattice affairs. In addition, they had a built up superstructure aft of the funnel, which this ship seems to lack. Also, the Black Swan class had a slightly smaller deckhouse which is lacking as well. Pelican is ruled out -- tripod mast. I think we can also rule out the US ships as their silhouette was a little different (from the info I have at hand) and they didn't have davits where this ship appears to have them. I would think that it could be a Stork type sloop, on account of director on bridge and location of boats -- I have a photo of Stork in 42 Starboard side though, and she has a radar lantern(?) on a lattice structure just forward of X mounting. It could, however, also be a Deptford class ship. I will try to dig up some more info if nobody else has more definite information. Regards, Stuart Robottom http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: b29@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Mystery Photo Unfortunately this photo is not clear enough for accurate identification. But it is certainly a British (or Commonwealth) sloop, probably of the GRIMSBY, BITTERN, EGRET, or early BLACK SWAN Class. Paul Jacobs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: Mystery Ship, Man-o-War, and Mountain tops Mystery Ship: As with the others, I also think it is a sloop, but it doesn't look like a tripod foremast thus eliminating the Black Swans, so that would leave Bittern, Enchantress, Stork, Auckland, Egret, or Pelican as possibilities. I would eliminate Bittern as she was lost fairly early on, Stork as she wound up with a tripod foremast and a tall RDF tower, Auckland as she was lost in the Med and may not have carried that type of camouflage there, Enchantress as a photo I have of her shows distinct pennant numbers. So that would leave Pelican or Egret, and as I have a photo of Pelican in camouflage without a pennant number, I would vote for that.......should I duck? Man-o-War: I am lucky enough to have a complete set of these and the titles are as follows: 1 - County Class Cruisers 2 - V & W Destroyers 3 - Rodney and Nelson 4 - Hunt class escorts 5 - Town class cruisers 6 - Hood 7 - Flower class corvetts The Ensign titles on the Town class cruisers and on HMS Hood were identical to the Man-o-war titles (I once had those titles as well) and I suspect the same applies to the Flower class corvettes as well. Having said that, I have an extra V&W Man-o-War copy, and I would like to swap that for the Ensign Number 1 on the King George V class. I also have an extra Warship Profile on USS Indianapolis and would be interested in swapping for either Warship Profile No. 31 or 36. If anyone is interested drop me a note offline. HMS Duncan: The excellent book on the A-I class destroyers by John English called Amazon to Ivanhoe has a photo of Duncan laid up prior to scrapping with the pennant number I99 clearly visible on the hull. Mountain tops: Just returned from a camping expedition to beautiful Kananaskis country in the neighbouring province of Alberta. It seems that in 1916 a patriotic Albertan convinced the then government to name lots of the mountains there after ships and people involved in the battle of Jutland (British side only). The peaks still carry those names (in spite of political correctness) and there are mountains named for Jellicoe, Beatty, Evan-Thomas, Jerram, Tyrwhitt, Defender, Queen Mary, Onslow, Warrior, Marlborough, Lyautey, Indefatigable, Invincible, Warspite, Black Prince, Kent, Shark, Chester, Galatea, Inflexible, Packenham, Hood, and Arethusa. There is also a Mt Cradock to commemorate Coronel. These aren't little foothills either, they are all over 8600' with Jellicoe the highest at 10,650'. Paint schemes vary but they are predominately mountain grey with white, green, and blue highlights. My wife was amazed that I managed to find something nautical when over 700 miles from the sea..... Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: "Michael Czibovic" Subject: Zuiho / John Snyder John rattled my bars so I figure I'd better speak up before he gets the hose out...again. I liked the Zuiho and plan to get one when I can get around to it. I didn't pay much attention to the scheme because it was a display model. Considering the duty it is intended to perform, a lot of attention to the paint wasn't expected. The one that you or I build won't look exactly like it anyway. I've got my Snyder and Short chips, though, so I'm ready. How's that for insouciance? Sorry if I'm not much help on this one. Mike Czibovic Corsair Armada Productions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: Cataldo Torelli Subject: Ms 21 principiant question Hello SMMLiers, I'm going to paint my first Ms 21 USN destroyer and I have a question: Ms 21 points overall Navy Blue with horizontal surfaces in Deck Blue. Is it that way? or are the horizontal surfaces in Navy Blue too? And gear like torpedo launchers, depth charge racks, etc. Finally, what brands of paint have those colors? (Tamiya, Gunze, Humbrol are prefered) Thanks in advance, Cataldo Torelli Madrid, Spain. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: Alan Simon (by way of Greg Lee) Subject: DASH To the Dutch gentleman who recently requested details about Drone Anti-Submarine Helicopter (DASH), photocopies are ready. Please send your snail mail address. For detailed coverage of DASH deployed on USS Brinkley Bass (DD887) in 1962, go to http://wailea.mhpcc.edu/~lewis/bass/dash.html Photos depict early version QH-50C with tail. Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga. former DASH Officer USS Grand Canyon (AD28) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: 1/700 Scale aircraft Dear Michael, In response to your query, >> I'm needing aircraft for a December 1940 Yorktown and a June 1942 Enterprise. Can anyone point me to a source for 1/700 scale Devastators << We have WEM AS 7031 1/700 Devastators (x3) >> F3F biplane fighters? << WEM AS 7068 Grumman F3F1, (x3) Both these are 2.95 pounds for 3 (around $4.66) >> in late 1940? And is there any other option for 1/700 scale SBDs other than the Fujimis? << There soon will be! Latest additions to the airstrike range include WEM AS 7204 SBD Dauntless Currently being mastered by a SMMLlie old WEMblie, Brian Fawcett.. out of context I know, but also added to the forthcoming lists are: WEM AS 7267 F-22 Raptor WEM AS 7268 Bae Typhoon (Eurofigher) WEM AS 7269 Bae Hawk (U.S. Goshawk) WEM AS 7270 Cessna Dragonfly WEM AS 7271 Northrop F-5 (Freedom Fighter/Tiger) WEM AS 7272 Northrop T-38 Talon WEM AS 7273 General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark WEM AS 7274 Lockheed Starfighter F-104 Note the last code, 7274. This is number 274 in 1/700 scale (the 7 denotes 1/700 scale). As you can see, before the year is out, we will probably have over 300 subjects in or approaching production! Cheers! Caroline http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Shane Weier Subject: Announcement - Model Show - Brisbane, Australia Hello all, For those on the list living in Australia, can I extend an invitation to....... Queensland Model Hobby Expo ========================= Brisbane, Australia 21 and 22 August 1999, 9am to 6pm at the Brisbane Table Tennis Association Centre 86 Green Terrace Windsor Trade and Club stands and the Queensland Scale Modelling Championship ================================== Pre-registration of entries close 13 August but visitors from out of town, out of state and overseas (and locals with any old lame excuse) can register entries up to 9:00 am 21 August. Award ceremony and presentation of medals and special awards will be held at 4:00 pm 22 August. Further details and contest entry forms from Shane Weier mailto:sdw@qld.mim.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume