Subject: SMML13/08/99VOL636 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:12:52 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Paint Question 2: Re: Vegemite 3: Re: MS 21 4: More on drydocking... 5: Re: WW-I USN Gray 6: Re: Battle "E"s 7: Book info -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: International Maritime Modeling August 1999 Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hi gang, Sorry for the delay, but my server is having router probs at the moment. If you sent something & it hasn't appearred, please send it in again. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Paint Question Bruce asked for help with water based acrylic paints (Poly S) for USN colors. Well, I have used the new Badger Modelflex Marine paints extensively but they are somewhat different from Poly S as the Badger paints are ready to airbrush right from the bottle. They have the required colors and they match the Snyder & Short color chips quite well. A water based acrylic needs more air pressure than you would use with a thinned enamel or lacqquer paint. About 25 PSI is a good starting point. Beware of paint drying on the very front of the airbrush needle and use a wet Q tip to clean it off often. Make sure your model is very clean and free of all hand oils, etc. and do not try to put too much on at one time (just like any paint) however, be aware that a water based paint looks heavier due to the water carrier that will evaporate leaving a thin film of paint. I suggest you practice till you are comfortable with recognizing what a good coat of paint looks like while still wet before you work on the model itself. Tony Suess at Modelers Boatyard stocks the Badger paints if you want to try them. I have never been happy with the results I got from Poly S but I was very happy the very first time I tried the Modelflex paints. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: hpetersen@zebra.net (Dr. Hazel Petersen) Subject: Re: Vegemite The posts on Vegemite brought tears to my eyes just reading them. I was in Australia on an exchange visit (loved it!) about 15 years ago. I was able to visit Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane, Townsville and Bendigo all in the lovely (freezing!!) months of May and June. Enjoyed it thoroughly after I got home and thawed out. :^) I digress, however. While there, I went looking for a midnight snack in my host's refrigerator. Slapped some butter on a piece of bread and thought "This apple butter would be a perfect spread to top things off". Well...the only thing that came off was the top of my head when I bit into the world-famous VEGEMITE SANDWICH! I nearly died. Note to self: Always, ALWAYS read the labels before use. I did develop a passion for meat pies however, especially lamb. Nearly moved to Australia too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: MS 21 Cataldo: Measure 21 calls for all vertical surfaces in Navy Blue (5-N), and all horizontal surfaces (including tops of gun turrets and gun houses, torpedo mounts, etc.) in Deck Blue (20-B). Best, John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Suvoroff@aol.com Subject: More on drydocking... >> Besides stresses, there is another reason for multiple docking plans - barnacles. Ships usually get their bellies scrubbed when they're in drydock (as standard hull maintenance) and it's kind of difficult to get to the spots on the keel blocks. So...they scrape around them and get those spots on the next rotation. << Well, I can't say that this is always untrue - however it is the current US Navy practice to pull the docking blocks out one at a time, sandblast and paint there, and then go on to the next one, so the whole ship's hull is repainted by the time the ship is undocked. Yours, James D. Gray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: WW-I USN Gray Those USN WW1 grays are something we're going to have to chase down and match. We don't have anything on the colors worn during the Spanish-American conflict. The USN and RN WW1 camo colors were developed independently, and from different directions. The RN commissioned (literally, as in making them RNR officers) well-known fine artists to develop their colors and schemes. The USN, on the other hand, worked with the photographic staff of Eastman to develop colors and schemes. Some time ago I contacted the staff of Eastman House (Kodak's museum) in Rochester, and they did manage to turn up some information that they passed along, and some other info that they were reluctant to release as it appeared to still be classified! They were going to check with the government to see if they could release it to me...and I've heard nothing since. I guess it's time to rattle their cage again. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Re: Battle "E"s Ed, The E was a first award and the ship was allowed to paint it on a convienent piece of the superstructure. Each subsequent award was denoted by a "hash mark" below the E. The color for the Battle E is usually white for a shipwide award. In the case of a Carrier or LPH (something with attached air wings) each wing would have a specific color. I seem to remember divisions aboard Ranger having different colors. The deck gang was green and the maintenance guys red. There were also yellow marks but I forgot who had those. Hope this helps. Doc Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Damian Pliszka Subject: Book info Hi SMMLers, I just bought new book from Polish AJPress with HMS Nelson/Rodney battleships(view HMS Hood review at Warship home page). It's absolutely great, 80 pages, dozens of photos (many full page), detailed drawings in 1:400, color profiles with a wild Admirality camouflage scheme... But for most of you there is one problem - it is in Polish... Regards Damian Pliszka (Poland) You mean you won't be offering free translation services? ;-)) Mistress Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: International Maritime Modeling August 1999 Update I am please to announce the August 1999 update to International Maritime Modeling. Besides some product news, the August 1999 update to the site includes: Photos of Jacques Druel's 1/400 Aviso Type A-69 Lieutenant de vaisseau Le Hénaff and Neil Murray's 1/600 HMS Repulse in the Photo Gallery. Quick Kit Reviews of L'Arsenal's 1/400 Aviso Type A-69 (Early Type). Reviews of Tom's Modelworks 1/600 US Navy Fast Battleship and 1/500 IJN Carrier, White Ensign Models 1/600 HMS Hood, Gold Medal Models 1/500 Naval and L'Arsenal 1/400 Superdetail and 1/400 20mm Oerlikons sets in Photoetch Reviews. Update of the Kit List page to include new kits from PT Dockyard. Tips from ship modelers of how to build your own plastic display cases to protect your models in Resources. Updates to the Links page. Please stop by. Felix Bustelo Webmaster http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume