Subject: SMML22/08/99VOL645 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:08:52 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Lutzow paint scheme 2: Enterprises? 3: Badger Modelflex Quality? 4: HMS Belfast colour help wanted 5: Yamato expedition 6: Re: Model cases 7: King George V 8: Capital Ships 9: Blue Water Navy 10: Landing Craft at Fall River 11: Another trivia question: The cruisers named for states, what were they 12: Drilling (piercing) Litho plate 13: Re: SMML convention 14: Fourty eight States 15: BALLARDS.MIDWAY AND BISMARCK 16: Small Combatants 17: GMM USN Battleship PE 18: CV-6 hanger colors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Lutzow paint scheme If you are looking for good photographic reference on Imperial German Battlecruisers, try to get you Koop/Schmolke, Die Grossen Kreuzer Von der Tann bis Hindenburg Bernard & Graefe Verlag, Bonn, 1998. For LUTZOW and the following ships, also see Breyer, Schlachtkreuzer der Kaiserlichen Marine (II) (Marine-Arsenal No.10 Podzun-Palls Verlag, Friedberg, 1989. The general paint scheme of the Kaiserliche Marine at the time of the Battle of Jutland was: Medium-light gray hull with slightly lighter upperworks. I don't know exactly what colors they used, but my painting suggestion would be as follows: Hull - 1 part Humbrol 5 + 3 parts white Upperworks - 1 part Humbrol 5 + 4 parts white Superstructure decks (linoleum) - Humbrol 70 Platforms and turret roofs - Humbrol 32 I don't mind using glossy and flat colors because I always give my models a flat finishing spray. Hope it helps Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Enterprises? >> The first ENTERPRISE in US naval service was a 70 ton Sloop of War. The next ENTERPRISE was a 25 ton privateer schooner purchased by the The third ENTERPRISE was a 125 ton schooner built in 1799. She fought in The fourth ENTERPRISE was a 194 ton schooner commissioned in 1831. She The next ENTERPRISE was a 1375 ton bark-rigged, steam-powered Sloop of War Then came CV 6 commissioned 12 May 1938. Her WWII service is legendary. Then came CVAN 65 (CVN 65) commissioned 25 November 1961, the first << Uh... How about the space-shuttle... And then of course the NCC-1701, NCC-1701A, NCC-1701B, NCC-1701C, NCC1701D and NCC1701E... But they don't serve in the US Navy, but are part of Starfleet... Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "MJW" Subject: Badger Modelflex Quality? Given the fact that Badger has a marine color (colour) range now, AND that you can put the stuff straight into the airbrush from the bottle, I am very interested in using them. However, I was in a hobby store where the owner said he would "never stock that Badger &^**^ again after the experience of their Accuflex range". He said that Modelflex was just Accuflex repackaged and remarketed. But on http"//www.modeleresresource.com there is a statement that the new paints "are not the same as Accuflex. Modelflex are an improved mix". Another story I heard was that Testors bought the Accuflex rights, and then stopped using it. Today in another store I saw that the part number on the Badger Clear Satin Accuflex is identical to the part number for the Modelflex Clear Satin (although I will admit that the Accuflex bottle had a "Improved Formula" stuck on it) So folks - what is the truth of all this, are they any good, and how do the new marine colors look (especially compared to the S&S charts) Malcolm Vancouver British Columbia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Keith Butterley Subject: HMS Belfast colour help wanted Hi all, According to Warship Profile No. 29 (I think) the Belfast colours are AP507A, AP507C, B5 and B6. It looks like B6(?) is only used in an inverted L section near the bow. It also shows the fo'c'le and quarter decks in a "wood" colour. I kind of question this, so it makes me question the other colours. Can anybody confirm any of this and tell me exactly what colour is supposed to go where re the actual camo scheme. Thanks in advance. Keith Butterley Vancouver, B.C., Canada This is where all the rain went that was missing in the rest of North America this summer. Vital statistics: No of times in pool: 4 No of times pool pumped out due to an overabundance of moisture: 6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "T. J. KOENIGSFELD" Subject: Yamato expedition Rms Titanic online is doing recovery and expedition on this massive ship. Go to: http://www.titanic-online.com and check it out. I know that there are alot of Yamato fans out there. T. J. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Model cases Andy, As of now I'm not aware of any company that makes base and covers for ships like the car cases but there is no shortage of cases to be bought out there. Classic Warships and Pacific Front Hobbies both carry an excellent line of very nice bases and covers in many different sizes. I'm sure others companies out carry them as well. While not cheap, they are of excellent quality. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: King George V Hi Michael Raven & Roberts British Battleships of World War II describes her colour as overall light medium grey or Mountbatten pink. However, having looked at practically all of the photos in the IWM collection I would say the colour was actually AP507B medium grey, same as Rodney. The reason the Tamiya kit does not have the external degaussing coil is that it represents KGV later in her career when the coil had been re-installed inside. Try thin plastic sheet cut into strips. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Capital Ships Hi Arjun Complement varied between just over 1,000 to 2,700 depending on the battleship. The American ships tended to carry more men than those of other nations though the Yamato/Musashi came close. Division of crew depended on the particular class of ship, in the later war years US ships saw a massive increase in AA personnel as, to some extent, did the British and Japanese. Watches also varied with the most common being 4 hours on/ 4 hours off. Frequently shifts were divided into 3 per day, though a lot of the crew wouldn't be needed for night-time cruising. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Blue Water Navy Hi all My comment on this subject is not as a dissatisfied customer or satisfied customer but as someone who advises clients on customer care matters. Its clear from the postings that some people have had excellent service and some very poor service from this manufacturer. This means the customer support services provided by this firm will be perceived as poor. Research has shown that negative information travels faster and to a wider extent than positive information (I think the ratio is about 10 people hear and pick up on bad news to 4 on good news). This means that more potential customers are put off from contacting the company or buying its products. Now all small businesses need as many clients as they can get but they also need to offer better customer services. Part of the perceived advantage a small enterprise has over the larger ones is responsiveness to customer needs and requirements. However, this can be thrown away through erratic and haphazard attention to customers. It doesn't matter how many satisfied customers a firm may have, if a significant portion (as in the case of Blue Water Navy) complain it is the negative information that will be heard and absorbed. This will be transmitted to potential future customers with a knock on effect on the sales of the company. The smaller a business is the greater the effect from loss of potential sales will be. The owner of Blue Water Navy needs to reconsider his customer care policy and how he operates his after sales service. It is not too late for a change to be made and this can only benefit the business. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Landing Craft at Fall River Hello Everyone, Does anyone know what type of Landing Craft is on display at Fall River, MA next to the Joseph P. Kennedy. I am (still) going through the pictures I took on my trip, and would like to label these properly. Should have taken notes there, but the focus of my visit was the Hiddensee this time, and I had a bit of tunnel vision. Thanks for any help! Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography Now with online ordering! http://www.modelersboatyard.com/seaphoto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ed Grune Subject: Another trivia question: The cruisers named for states, what were they I can jump in for ACR-8 USS Maryland. She was renamed the USS Frederick -- an important railroad city at the base of the Appalachian Mountains. Now its more well known as the location Camp David -- the presidential retreat. Ed Mansfield,TX transplanted Marylander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Raynor Johnston" Subject: Drilling (piercing) Litho plate Hi all, This question may be a little 'offline' but maybe someone with all the talents out there can answer for me. I wish to drill holes mostly small ones in the litho plate that I use for sheathing the deckheads decks etc of my 1:72 scale ships. Mostly for staunchions and suchlike to mount items. What is the best way and tools to use so that I do not get 'pressed' penetrations rather than holes. Thanks, Raynor J -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: SMML convention >> The US Naval & Shipbuilding Museum would be priveledged to host such an event aboard the USS Salem in Quincy, Massachusetts. (Lotsa the real things close by to climb all over too!). How about it? Any interest? << Sounds like an idea to me Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: kenny_II Subject: Fourty eight States Just for the trivia, Montana got two battleships canceled, the name ship of the super Iowa class was Montana too. Tim (the heat has made me more anal retentive than usual.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Simon Wolff" Subject: BALLARDS.MIDWAY AND BISMARCK Hi you all.. Bit late... etc. For all those Oz SMMLies... who get cable. National Geographic Channel had "The Battle For Midway" and "Search For the Battleship Bismarck" on over the weekend. The Midway programme had great colour footage in it. Recorded it today. Can't see it in the Foxtel Guide for the rest of this month but who knows - keep an eye out as it may appear again next month. Also National Geographic have a programme on tomorrow called 'U Boats: terror on the Shores' at 11 am and 5 PM. As for that Vegemite vs Marmite.. give me Marmite ANYDAY... Forget pining for the Fjords I pine for Marmite in this country devoid of Marmite and warm beer... Simon Well Simon, pine you may for Marmite, but here in God's country(That's Australia to you Texans ;-þ ) - Vegemite rules, as well as cold Lager, not that warm ale :->>. Mistress Lorna & Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Jeffry Fontaine" Subject: Small Combatants Hello Shane; I am a recent subscriber to the SMML, I have read through several installments so far and I have not seen very many comments/questions directed towards my line of interest. So here goes; Is there any one within the SMML that focuses on small combatants? I am looking for some interaction concerning the NASTY class PTF, built by Batservice in Norway and purchased by the U.S. Navy for clandestine operations in South Vietnam while prosecuting OPLAN 34A against the North Vietnamese. I have a copy of the NAVSEA construction drawings that I managed to obtain a couple of years ago for "training purposes" to better understand marine construction and have been intrigued with the boats history and use by the U.S. Navy. My drawings unfortunately represent only the boat as built, not as used. And there in lies the problem, most pictures I have obtained or viewed have been from a distance and are a bit dificult to interpret or analyze. I am also keen on obtaining information and images or drawings for the 81mm naval mortar/machine gun mount, 20mm mounts, and the venerable 40mm Bofors single/powered mount often seen on these types of vessels. Any one out there with that type of information? thanks, Jeff mailto:jeffryfontaine@netscape.net or mailto:jeffryfontaine@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Lim Chan Hiok Subject: GMM USN Battleship PE I just got my 1/350 GMM USN Battleship PE fret for my Tamiya Big Mo. Looking at the fret, the railings looked just enough. As I'm new at PE, I am certain I will make mistakes. I need opinion from you all who have built the Mo if I should buy an extra railing set. If so, any recommendation - GMM, Classic Warships, Flagship Models or Tom's Modelworks? Also I'm looking for accomodation ladder PE set in the 1/350 scale, so far I only know WEM have them. Does anyone knows who else makes them? Lastly, I need help in identifying the motor launches seen on Pg.1 of the floating Drydock's USS Missouri Plan book (80-G-339351). They would look neat in the diaroma. Know of anyone making them in true 1/350 scale? I know H-R fittings has them in 1/384. Thanks in advance for your help. Hiok Kuching, Malaysia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Steve Singlar Subject: CV-6 hanger colors A few days ago someone asked about hanger deck colors for CV-6. I checked with three former crew members. One commented that after 50 years all he remembers is gray, gray, gray. The second commented that he believed the deck was a blue/gray color (deck gray?) and the Bulkheads were light gray or off white. He did comment that during the magic carpet cruise of Dec. 1945, the crew was forever hosing off the hanger deck because all the GI's (hundreds stacked 5 & 6 high) in the bunks kept puking (sp?) all over the place. The third fellow i contacted had the following reply: "I envy your friend that is building the model. I am familiar with the one he is building. I was going to buy it, but I could find no one that I trusted to build it for me, and I am too buttered fingered and impatient to tackle such a project. As far as I can remember the deck was dark gray and the bulkheads were light gray. The only white was the "Battle Record". See Steve Ewings book, page 115. I am not certain after 53 years. I suggest you ask Rindt the calendar maker or post it on the web page." James Rhindt is the ship's historian and can be contacted at the CV-6 web page: http://www.cv6.org Good luck, Steve Singlar Pelham NH Just back from Phoenix where it was 105F when we left at 2pm. Returned to Manchester where it was 55F at midnight. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume