Subject: SMML25/08/99VOL648 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:19:25 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 1/350th scale a/c 2: 1970's Royal Navy colors, and the SMML@Salem show 3: Battleship Trivia 4: SMML aboard USS Salem 5: BWN - an observation 6: Nichimo 1/200 Submarine? 7: Re: Yamato Project '99: 8: Re: Plastic Prep and Resin - Compatible? 9: Re: NASTY RUMBLES 10: Re: Naming USN ships 11: Re: Naming USN ships 12: Stern Wheel Steamboat 13: Nasty sink marks and ej pins 14: SHIP NAMES AND TEXAS 15: I thought i was the only sci-fi geek in here 16: Stop posting BWN opinions!!! 17: Re: Philladelphia Experiment 18: Re: Blue Water Navy customer service-NOT 19: Re: Ship names 20: Re: Texas, renamed 21: Ship naming practices 22: Re: Philadelphia Project and others 23: Naming USN Ships 24: Old USS Texas 25: Naming of USS Reagan & SSBN Carter 26: SMML Convention 27: Re: HMS Belfast colour help wanted 28: French Color 29: How to make flight deck realistic? 30: RN colours 31: Color brands matching naval colors FAQ 32: The Philadelphia cheese Experiment 33: Re: Philadelphia Project (Confirmation) 34: Naming USN Ships 35: Re: SMML convention and international survey 36: PSM No 20 Parte the Second -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Proposed military vehicle modellers' mailing list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Thorsten L. Wahl" Subject: Re: 1/350th scale a/c Hi James, As others certainly will mention -least of all Caroline Carter ;-) - WEM do some nice 1/350th scale a/c, maybe they will sell/give you some of their accessories? Nationals are coming up, I hear... :)) If you want to stick w/ Tamiya´s planes, give me a call and I can send you some of the canopies I vacformed for my planes (no BS!). I really like building those small scale planes, so ... Best Thorsten IPMS (UK) x1602 `At least we don´t name our ships after our mothers-in-law.´ USS Reuben James to HMS Battleaxe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Joseph Poutre Subject: 1970's Royal Navy colors, and the SMML@Salem show Hi all, I'm going through a "what if" phase, and my current fun project is a "Tiger'd" KGV class BBH - aft turret removed for helo deck, missile weapons added, things like that. It's a break from my serious, for-display-type projects. No-one can point out a mistake, since the ships never were, and if I goof up, I can fudge it instead of spending five hours removing and rebuilding a misaligned superstructure level. Anyway, I need paint colors for late 1960s and early 1970s UK warships. I have a Matchbox CH Tiger, but the colors are rather non-descript, and the color photos I have don't match each other due to age and lighting conditions. What (Polly Scale preferred) paint colors would be best? I guess the Tiger and the Bristol would be the prototypical paint jobs for this. It doesn't have to be an exact match, but close enough. Also, what color are live Sea Dart missiles? I've only seen the bright red practice rounds. As for an SMML show at the Salem, count me in! Thanks! Joe Trustee and co-webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Battleship Trivia Another Trivia Question: What could the ranking officer aboard the USS Iowa do that no other officer in the US fleet could do? Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: SMML aboard USS Salem Sounds like a plan to me. Ken Goldman La Crescenta (Glendale) California where it's already 80 F in a dead calm at 0930 PDT THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: BWN - an observation I have avoided stepping in this one until now. After reading the several posts regarding BWN's customer service (or lack of same), it occurs to me that the demarcation between those with good and bad experiences falls between the "unwashed masses," modelers whose lack of name recognition within the community makes them less likely to influence other modelers' purchasing decisions, and those who write reviews and judge events and generally fall into a professional/expert/fellow industry member or "star" category. The former get short shrift; the latter claim good service. On its face, this looks like an objectionable double standard. My only experience with BWN has been through retailer or show vendor purchase of two submarine kits. In both cases, the kits were complete and in reasonable condition. My complaint concerns major inaccuracies in the kits, however, both finally built up into award winners. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Charles Stephanian Subject: Nichimo 1/200 Submarine? Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding the type of Japanese sub that participated in the attack on the Oregon coast. Armed with that knowledge, I'm considering building the Nichimo 1/200 I-19 sub model. Any opinions or advice for this kit? Thanks, again! Chas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Re: Yamato Project '99: Many thanks about the translation done by maucat@worldnet.att.net It was indeed very helpful. Nuno Rubim Portugal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Re: Plastic Prep and Resin - Compatible? Hi Felix and all, >> I have heard of a product called Plastic Prep, which can be used on styrene to clean the plastic of oils and other solvents used in the injection-molding process in preparation for painting. I was wondering if this is ok to use on resin? << It should be. Cured resin is more resistant to some materials than styrene, and since Plastic Prep is formulated for styrene, it shouldn't cause any damage. >> Can resin be cleaned like styrene with dishwashing soap and warm water? Are there any other methods used? << Sure can. The release agent we use, Epoxy Parafilm, comes right off with soap and water. As for other methods, one of the more interesting (and dangerous depending on your wife's disposition) is to stick it in the common household dishwasher. At least it's worked for the boss... Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Re: NASTY RUMBLES >> The reason the Nastys sounded like locomotives to John Sheridan was that their Napier Deltic diesel engines were originally developed in the U.K. for use in railway engines. The only USN facility for their maintenance was at Subic Bay, and the Deltic is long-gone from USN service (although still used in UK mine countermeasures ships). << I recall reading (back in the 70s) about that engine having found a new application as the power plant for the fire fighting pumps on New York Harbor fireboats. Kelvin Mok (klmok@home.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: Re: Naming USN ships >> Wasn't it a tradition that you had to be dead to get a ship named after you? What did Reagan (CV(N)) and Carter (SS(N)) do to avoid this previously mandatory death sentence? << Could it be that America has finally run out of dead heroes? :) While I'm at it, aim that nuke on Stavanger, Norway... Jens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Richa5011@aol.com Subject: Re: Naming USN ships >> Wasn't it a tradition that you had to be dead to get a ship named after you? What did Reagan (CV(N)) and Carter (SS(N)) do to avoid this previously mandatory death sentence? << You mean they aren't dead????? As I recall, Carl Vinson (or was that Stennis?) was still alive when the CVN was named for him. I think we can look forward to more cases of American politicians having ships named for them. With tongue firmly in cheek, I think we can look forward to: CVN XX - USS George Bush...afterall, he actually was a Naval Aviator. CVN XX - USS Gerald R. Ford...Responsible for more collisions than any previous ship. AGXXX - USS Lyndon Johnson...A navigation training vessels...where so many conflicting commands and priorities are given it just steams in circles off SE Asia. SSN XXX - USS Bill Clinton...The first submarine with an all female crew...an appropriate choice since he seems to enjoy women going down on him. (My appologies to all!!!!!!) AGR XX - USS Richard M. Nixon...An ELINT gathering ship known for its unique recordings. DDG XXX - USS Dan Quail...The ship that keeps getting lost. DDG XXX - USS Albert Gore...The ship sent to find the Quail...but it got lost too. FFG XXX - USS Jesse "The Frigate" Ventura - the biggest, loudest, body-slaminest ship in the USN. I think I've probably offended just about everyone's political views...any other contributions to the list would be appreciated. Nat Richards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: Stern Wheel Steamboat The Lindbergh stern wheel steamboat Southern Belle is just under 1/64th scale. With 1/6th scale figures it should look fine. Check with used kit dealers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: KDur597268@aol.com Subject: Nasty sink marks and ej pins I'm really being a pest here, but I want to turn from research questions to some basic modeling for a minute if I may: Do you all have any little tricks for getting rid of the really-hard-to get at ejector pin marks, like those on an assymetrical gun deck with an armored rail with a fixture in the middle? I'm finding a lot of these on my Eugen project. Some of them in REALLY tight spaces, like 1/8" wide or less. On my a/c modeling I've used Mr.Surfacer as a filler, flowed into the area after filling with punched discs, and often i'll just make a new surface out of card. Even the punched discs are a pain if there's no sanding access. I wish I knew of a little sanding tool like a scale floor finisher or something. Hmm, maybe a thin piece of brass bent at the end with some sandpaper attached? Just thinking out loud here, sorry to use bandwidth - suggestions welcome. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Dave Baker Subject: SHIP NAMES AND TEXAS There is a carrier named the Ronald Reagan: CVN 76, now under construction at Newport News Ship Building and Dry Dock. There's also a Jimmy Carter: SSN 23, currently building by Electric Boat as third boat of the SEAWOLF class. The naming of ships in the U.S. Navy has been political since the founding of the republic; it is the same in nearly every other navy. Warships are funded by politicians on behalf of the people. If it helps the navy to get a vote for the shipbuilding appropriation line in the defense budget, then it's worth having to listen to a boring speech written by someone else for the politician to deliver. During the Reagan administration, one of my happy jobs as special assistant to SECNAV John Lehman was to manage the naming of ships; it was a VERY interesting process, both from a historical and anthropological viewpoint. Lehman's guidance was to reuse as much as possible names borne previously by worthy USN ships--but political exigencies more than once caused changes in the best-laid plans. The coastal battleship TEXAS was renamed the SAN MARCO and sunk in the Chesapeake around 1909 in tests of armor plate resistance to various kinds of projectiles propelled by various kinds of powder; her wreck still appears on charts and was used during WW II as a bombing target, but I believe I read that most of the remaining mass has been blown up to make it less of a navigational hazard. Best/Dave Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: valiant@home.com Subject: I thought i was the only sci-fi geek in here Hello everyone OMG this isn't happening! there are some model guys in here who also enjoy sci-fi! run! Sorry I couldn't resist. This is most interesting. After reading SMML everyday for so long, I thought all you ppl were hard-core ship builders. Glad to see I'm not the only one with rather diverse modeling interests. I got back into modeling thu star trek models. Then japanese anime came along and sparked my interest. Then my childhood love of planes had flared up again. Ten I started reading a little naval history....... And I still build trek. Sill love to watch it (voyager was better in the past season then all the others put together). BTW, volumes have been written about how to correct the inaccuracies of the AMT/Ertl's Enterprise-A kit. And a number of their other kits. Thank god for resin! and imagination! Myself, my trek pile of kits is sitting in at round 40+ kits right now, plus conversion kits, plus I need more for some more conversions I want to do. Is that bad? No worse than my 100+ pile of 1/48th aircraft and my growing ever so slowly (thank god) pile of 1/350th ships. Ah well. back to the work bench..... live long and build models Aaron 'HARLOCK' Propper modeler on the loose P.S. the motionless picture? nice... cruel but accurate.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Lars Orloff" Subject: Stop posting BWN opinions!!! While I understand that those of you with bad BWN experiences are posting them to "help" those of us who have never dealt with BWN, the conflicting opinions being expressed are confusing me. Some say BWN is great, others say it's not worth the money to buy from them. Who do I believe? Rather than help, you all have made the situation worse ! The debate about what should and should not be posted will never be resolved, but the recent BWN thread has caused me to think that, even if the intent is to aid fellow modelers, insulting the integrity of a manufacturer does not enrich me as a modeler and has no place in this newsletter. Having a good intention does not justify the attempt to publicly humiliate anyone. If you've already taken your problems up with BWN and are still not satisfied, then don't buy from them anymore. It's rather immature to make a crusade of the issue by trying to spoil BWN's reputation with those of us who are innocent bystanders. Besides, how do I know if I can trust someone who has posted a negative opinion? Just because I am told that the small resin boats were broken during shipment doesn't mean that it happened as such. Sorry people, but I have often cursed modeling companies for my own impatience and lack of skill. The last thing I would want is to unfairly accuse someone of negligence or of not treating customers as they should be treated based on my own faults. The point is, whether or not some of you have a legitimate beef against BWN, why do you feel the need to denounce them in public? I've probably opened myself to ridicule, but is that really the point of this newsletter? To ridicule and insult one another? What we should be passing around (and what we normally are) is information and advice. I don't mean to sound childish, but if you don't have anything good to say about someone, keep it to yourself; you never know when you might have to eat your words. Those of you who feel the need to thrash me may do so, but have some tact and email me directly. Lars R. H. Orloff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Lars Orloff" Subject: Re: Philladelphia Experiment Believe it or not, the Navy has an official response to questions regarding the Philadelphia Experiment. http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm Lars R. H. Orloff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Blue Water Navy customer service-NOT >> I have to state also hereby , that I have not had this disappointing experience with anyone else, I have bought several models (certainly many more that I will ever be able to make) from other Manufacturers, i.e. White Ensign Models, Commander Series Models, Cottage Industries etc. Without a single problem, whenever something has been missing or damaged, they have Immediately replaced it with no charge. << Without commenting on BWN's policy as I have never experienced it, I can say that I do agree that the above manufacturers do stand solidly behind their products with a no quibble policy of replacing parts. I would include Classic and even that old nemesis Viking in that list. Viking replaced an entire kit after |I outlined a number of deficiencies in the original. I have never been asked to return defective parts or supply proof of purchase. It is a shame, BWN has many good products. It would be unfortunate indeed for the company to loose it's customer base over a policy that none of it's competitors adhere to. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Ship names >> I understand naming ships after cities and states, especially ones represented by members of Armed Forces appropriating committees. I think it was Rickover who pointed out that "fish don't vote". I even get naming ships after famous battles, famous ships, Naval heroes and presidents. But what is the deal with naming ships after living people? Wasn't it a tradition that you had to be dead to get a ship named after you? What did Reagan (CV(N)) and Carter (SS(N)) do to avoid this previously mandatory death sentence? << Dead? Not necessarily. Rickover himself was very much alive when the SSN Hyman G. Rickover went to sea. Frankly, I would welcome a return to the days of yore in which submarines had fish names. The postwar attack submarines, up to the Los Angeles class, had recycled fish names of distinguished WWII subs. The SSBNs had all historic (read Dead) names, then went to state names. The Seawolf class tried to restore the tradition with Seawolf, got political with USS Connecticut (via Clinton) and the the final Seawolf class boat (to be greatly modified to replace USS Parche in her.....ahem....roles) will be the USS Jimmy Carter. Now the followons, the Virginia class will have state names. It's a damn mess..... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Texas, renamed Okay, Ed, I know it's really not fair, but I'll bite: Like the armored cruisers, the Texas was renamed for a city in the state -- San Marcos. As far as her disposition is concerned: I understand that after her near run-in with Brooklyn, she was pretty cantankerous, and as she got older she could make a bo'sun red-faced with her swearing. Eventually, in March 1911, they just towed her out to the middle of Tangier Sound in Chesapeake Bay and New Hampshire filled her full of holes. She had it coming. Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: crofoot@bfm.org (Crofoot, Christopher) Subject: Ship naming practices Why Reagan got a CVN named for him....because he was the President that revitalized the Armed Forces, brought about the 500 ship Navy and Spent the Evil Empire into the dustbin of history. Why Carter got a sub named for him....The Squids at Annapolis were so happy to finally get a grad in the Oval Office they didn't mind that he didn't get a whole lot accomplished and had one of the worst blows to American prestige (the Tehran Hostage Crisis and Rescue Attempt) happen on his watch. (NOTE: I didn't say it was his fault!) Chris Crofoot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Philadelphia Project and others Daniel Jones wrote this sacralige: >> The rumor inspired a really bad movie...... << HEY! I liked that movie! Although the sequel was verrry bad. The Navy History site has a nice blurb on the Philly Experiment at: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm An event at the USS Salem sounds great! And while I'm here, I like your Krivak, Shane, but I was wondering if anyone had alternate paint choices for the hull. The soviet ships always looked so blue in photos and I'm having trouble deciding what to use. I would order a S&S paint chip set, but I couldn't seem to find one, hhmmm... Regards, Darren Scannell Hi Darren, Thanks for the compliment - it's amazing what a photo will cover up ;-)). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Naming USN Ships After the initial dead President ships (FDR and JFK, then Eisenhower, which may really have also been a European theater commander sort of like Nimitz - not sure), and dead other people (Forrestal & Nimitz) the next was the Carl Vinson, which my understanding was a personal decision by Nixon to honor the Armed Services committee chair (why, I don't know). I think Vinson was alive at the time. Remember that at this time, carriers weren't normally named after people, but rather battles and older ships. The only presidents were ones who died in office. I think the Ike is the one that slid us back into presidents through the back door. Then the John Stennis after the Mississippi senator (who was definitely alive) and definitely as a salute (couldn't tell you why). Then back to the dead presidents - Lincoln, Roosevelt and Washington. The next was to be the United States but the name was changed to Harry Truman, and the Ronald Reagan was announced at the same time - perhaps a bipartisan gesture, and let's get real - Reagan is for all intents and purposes off the public scene permanently due to his illness. Renaming it while he was alive is sort of like when our local federal courthouse was renamed for the judge I had clerked for less than two weeks before he died of cancer. It was going to happen eventually - you just wanted to try to get it done in time for him to have a chance to appreciate the honor while he can. The James Earl Carter was, I think, a salute to the former submariner and Naval Academy grad, with the understanding that he'd probably prefer to have a sub named after him, and politically that was probably doable. Subs used to be named after presidents & patriots (Lincoln, Washington, etc.). By the way, CV-77 was authorized in this current year's budget, and dollars to donuts no matter who gets elected next year it will be the George Bush, since that former president was a naval aviator in WWII. Incidentally former Pres. Ford also served on a carrier (Monterey, a CVL) but was not an aviator. Personally, as a grad of the LBJ School in Austin, Texas, I'm holding out for the USS LBJ, but I doubt we'll see that for a while thanks to Vietnam! But I think that'll cover every postwar president except LBJ, Nixon and Ford (I guess we had a bad patch there!). I would think we'd get a Woodrow Wilson and maybe a Ulysses Grant at some point. Or maybe a Thomas Jefferson. Or maybe not. Anyway, just a few thoughts. Michael Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Old USS Texas In 1911 the battleship Texas (didn't have a hull number) was renamed "San Marcos" (a city in Texas) to clear the name. She was then used as a gunnery target in Chesapeake Bay, and sank about 7 miles SE of Tangier Island, but in such shallow water that she was a navigational hazard. After marking her position with a lighted buoy for years and paying over $100,000 in damages to ships that collided with the wreck (honey, I hit that damn battleship in the harbor again this afternoon - when are they going to do something about it!), the government set off three tons of dynamite on the wreck - enough to settle it safely below traffic. Hope this helps, Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: Naming of USS Reagan & SSBN Carter Reagan got a ship named after him primarily for the support he showed and the growth the Navy experienced under his leadership. He envisioned a 600+ ship Navy that would have been the single most powerful fighting force in the world - bar none. After he was diagnosed with Alzehemiers, Congress voted to name both the carrier and re-name Washington National Airport in his honor while he was still alive and coherent enough to appreciate the gesture. I'm fairly certain that the sub was named after Carter because submarines sink - just like our economy and standing in the world did under his tutelage. - When we name something the USS Clinton (perhaps another sub? They "go down" as well as sink), I'm moving to Canada.... Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: SMML Convention Count me in as well - I'll take it one step further - I believe I can arrange to have three current authors (Herne, Raven and Arnold) of the Warship Perspective series attend as well (I KNOW one will be there). Perhaps Mr. Raven might even consider giving a little talk on a subject or two? (I love volunteering him for things).... Maybe even four - Mr. Lambert - you listening? (Remember, I AM laying out your book! - no pressure--- :o) Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: Re: HMS Belfast colour help wanted Dear Keith, WRPress' posting on Belfast's late 1942 camouflage yesterday had enough information to detail a model, but let me add some comments on the layout of the camouflage scheme: Belfast's camouflage illustrations in Warship 29 are quite accurate. Here is how the camouflage was arranged: STARBOARD SIDE (from bow to stern) -------------------------------------------- B5 - 507A - 507C & B6 (most of the front superstructure starboard is in B6) - 507A (elongated near horizontal panel that extends up to the X and Y turrets) - 507C and B6 (looks like a hump) Other details: front funnel: B5, rear funnel: 507C, after superstructure: B6 PORTSIDE (from bow to stern) ----------------------------------- B5 (the inverted L you talked about)- B6 panel - 507C flowing pattern - 507A panel (its lower end on hull, runs through B turret and onto the superstructure) - B6 (elongated hump; I actually think that this specific panel was painted B5 for some time during the war, refer to Imperial War Museum photo A25664 or page 14 warship #29) 507A (long slanted panel) - 507C & B6 (extends to the after superstructure, the portside of both X and Y turrets are painted in B6) Other details: front funnel: 507C, rear funnel: B5, front superstructure: upper B6, front side: 507A, rear side: 507C. Note the diagonal 507A stripe on the Walrus hangar door on the portside. Warship #29 has enough photographs to help you get the geometry of panels right. If any of this is not clear contact me off-line to discuss it. Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Phil Kirchmeier (by way of Greg Lee) Subject: French Color Just wanted to say thanks for all who helped out with my french color questions. You folks are great! I now have a much better color feel for how to paint the Charles de Gaulle. Phil Kirchmeier Interactive http://www.execpc.com/~pkirch/ "What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?"--W.C. Fields -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "=?big5?B?sWmr2LS8?=" Subject: How to make flight deck realistic? As title.. Any help would be appreciated!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: RN colours >> In late 1942 the Belfast was painted in accordance with the prepared Admiralty Disruptive design that employed the following four colors on the vertical surfaces as follows:- 507a 507c B5 B6 << Speaking of RN colour schemes, does anyone have a list (or a web address) of what Humbrol paints/combinations will reproduce RN colours? I think a list or an address was published earlier this year, but I've lost the details! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Cataldo Torelli Subject: Color brands matching naval colors FAQ Hello, Dan Kaplan pointed the building of a manufacturers' colors matching various navy colors FAQ on May'99. Is it on the way ? If not I would like to help compiling and/or sharing my web site. Best wishes, Cataldo Torelli. Madrid, Spain. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Simon Wolff" Subject: The Philadelphia cheese Experiment Hi you all.. The book by Charles Berlitz was called .. wait for it.. The Philadelphia Experiment.. 'The true story behind Project Invisibility' ...written with William Moore. The copy I have was published by Granada Publishing Limited in Panther Books 1980. Been a long time since I read the book.. nice photos...lousy movie.. shame about the boat race.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Denis L Johnson Subject: Re: Philadelphia Project (Confirmation) As I understand it, the story is that a ship was transported over a considerable distance through the air without anyone seeing it. As confirmation of this (not conclusive) I am willing to swear that, in October 1943, I saw no ships flying through the air. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Naming USN Ships Mark Doremus asked: >> What did Reagan (CV(N)) and Carter (SS(N)) do to avoid this previously mandatory death sentence? << Let me add to the list of the non-dead who were honored with a ship named after him Arleigh Burke (DDG) Bob Hope (T-AKR) >> Start opinion mode << Lets face it -- its political. Fish don't vote! Burke and Hope definately deserve to be honored for their service to their country. Yes, Hope is a limey by birth -- but we adopted him. I'm waiting for the USS John Wayne. Reagan probably deserves the honor, but it should have been defered until after his death. The Carter, named for a junior nuclear officer and one term president? Heck, Carter and former senator Sam Nunn already won for Georgia with the SSBN Georgia and the King's Bay sub base. << End opinion mode >> Ed Mansfield, TX What about the USS George Bush? Take your pick, the former or future president. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Re: SMML convention and international survey Hi Folks, An SMML convention would be great, so count me in! For the survey, I live in Valley Stream, New York which is on Long Island and is a suburb of New York, New York (so nice they named it twice!). Sorry, with all this talk lately from the Texans in this esteemed group, I had to show a little civic pride, plus the Yankees have beaten the Rangers 6 out of 8 games this season so far! Regards and heading for the Subway for cover Felix Bustelo Hi Felix, Don't worry too much, afterall, they're only Texans ;-)) Shane - who's thinking about ducking for cover over here in God's country ;->> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Shane Subject: PSM No 20 Parte the Second Hi gang, Well I finished of reading this issue, & I'm still impressed ;-). It's a real SMMLie fest with the writers, as most of them are contributors here as well. Mike's article on scratchbuilding a merchant navy carrier is excellant. Falk's article on the Askold with his WSW build is very good. Dave Judy's Detroit review is nice. And as for that #@$%@*% Drage, well his dioramas just keep getting better & better ;-). So to repeat what I said yesterday, if you don't subscribe to PSM, you're missing out on a damm fine read. Also, watch out for a review of this issue plus Graham Walker's Cruiser SIG Newsletter in next months Internet Modeller. Regards, Shane - whose bias may just be peeking thru ;-)) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "R Lockie" Subject: Proposed military vehicle modellers' mailing list Some time ago, fellow SMMLie Mike Cooper mooted the idea of a similar list to SMML, but to cater for those of us who dabble not just in toy boats but also in toy tanks. Somehow I volunteered to help out and after sounding out a few others and reading Dave Krakow's posting recently, we are now ready to embark on a military vehicle modellers' mailing list, entitled 'Think Tank'. It will be, at least at first, a weekly affair as I cannot spare the time to do it more frequently but other than that the format will be much like that of SMML. Shane has been most forthcoming with advice and assistance and I have shamelessly plagiarised much of his work, for which many thanks. He also anticipated that I would end up running it, even before the realisation dawned on me...... I am hoping to get the first issue out this weekend (28-29 September) so if you would like to subscribe (yes, it is free!), please email to think.tank@tesco.net (not to the address at the top of this message) with the word 'Subscribe' in the subject box. I will then send you out the welcome notes and house rules (such as they are). By the way, if any of you wishes to pass on the message to anyone you think might be interested in the project but who has not also caught the 'ships bug', please feel free. The more people we have, the more use it should be. Best wishes Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume