Subject SMML07/09/99VOL661 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:12:17 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Y2K IPMS(USA) & SMML 2: Re: Naval Movies 3: Re: IPMS/USA Dallas Nats 4: Re: Information 5: Pre-war German turret markings 6: River Plate video 7: H M S Cornwall 8: ACHILLES TURRET AND DIRECTOR 9: WW1 Monitor deck materials - thanks 10: IPMS(UK) Nationals Ship Classes 11: Re: Wrong Petropavlovsk 12: Naval wartime films 13: Heller HMS Victory 14: Destructor, linoleum and other things 15: Re: Sub question 16: Re: Demologos 17: Re: SMML Confederate ironclad data 18: US National Archives - Royal Navy Finds 19: White metal and adhesives/Coast Guard manual 20: Demologos info - Thanks! 21: Good, Bad & the Ugly 22: Petropavlovsk 23: Naval Ordinance Websites 24: Members-only access to dealers room -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USS NEW JERSEY 2: MOGAMI 3: Re: Pearl Harbor Diorama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Hi gang, Just a couple of things. I'll be sending out the test message again for the new list for the next couple of days. If you don't receive it & wish to re-subscribe, just send in a re-subscribe message. I will be giving everyone 24 hours notice when I change lists Also in this SMML, we have replies from Charles Davenport(the next IPMS(USA) President) & Rob Sullivan(IPMS(UK) President) on the current situations within both IPMS branches. As these posts seem to clarify matters that have been raised recently, it may be wise to give these topics a rest. Or at least, until further info comes to light. I thank both Charles & Rob for taking the time to reply & state their respective positions. Also thanks to John & Peter for passing them on to SMML. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: James Corley Subject: Y2K IPMS(USA) & SMML Rusty said: >> I suggested that anyone with a current IPMS card be given a special ticket to be shown along with photo ID and their IPMS card to the vendors good for 10% or 15% off. << And what incentive do I, as a vendor, have for offering a discount? Will the cost for my table be lowered if I agree to participate? and then Kevin Mok chimed in with: >> One would have thought that on the single opportunity in the year when an IPMS chapter has a chance to show the public its pride and work the organizers want keep the public out. And as far as the members are concerned there are enough opportunities for mutual admiration and backscratching during regular meets. One more occassion doesn't do anything for them. << That is not what this is about (aboot for you Canadians ;^) ) As far as the vendors are concerned, all they see are the number of people who show and couldn't care less if they are IPMS members or not. Why try to convert the already converted. Really, as a hobbyist I already know what kits and best prices that are available and don't need a vendor to show me. But the public will benefit seeing how rich the selection in the hobby is. An impulse buy by a newcomer would get a new recruit into the hobby. I hang around quite a few hobby clubs in my city and this "members only" mentality, usually by an executive that doesn't have a life outside their monomania, may work for one anniversary show before the participtataion and turnout sags the next year. By the third year only the "purists" remain to award themseves all the prizes because there just aren't enough contest entries anymore. And few ordinary members care because the wifes and kids aren't welcome. Then it takes a new executive a lot of effort to revive interest in the club again. I vend and judge. As a vendor, I was "asked" by several others to talk to Penny (since I know her) about this. Their position is that they might a) set up on wednesday and not sell anything until Friday as a protest or b) not go at all. As a vendor/manufacturer, I plan on going and vending the full time. If other vendors opt not to, so much the better for me...I will take more of the available money before they are opened and they will get less. Having also been involved in SciFi, let me tell you one thing....IPMS IS A BARGAIN. At any TrekFest (whatever!) there is a set fee to get in the door, a minimum or $25 PER DAY!! And people willingly pay it. If IPMS were to suggest this, people would scream like stuck pigs. What benefit as a paying IPMS member do I get by going to a Nationals? If I decided to go and not enter a model, I could actually get in cheaper by simply paying the non-member fee ($5 this year) and get to go to EVERYTHING!!! Where is the benefit of being an IPMS member for that. I know several people, good modellers, who have either refused to rejoin IPMS after the debacle of the 1980s or see no benefit in joining. Of the latter group, these guys are all under 40. IPMS membership is slowly declining as the old guard gets older and fades away. The only "benefit" of being an IPMS member at the Nationals is the "priveledge" of paying extra to enter models into the contest and getting a bag of goodies. Oops, I forgot, the goddy bag was available seperately, for less than a regular package I believe ($25 for GA & bag vice $30 for IPMS package, IIRC) Penny's point is simple, IPMS is the only organization with a national convention open to the general public for virtually nothing. I would be in favor of a more radical proposal. Let the vending & viewing rooms be open to the GP for $10 a day. If the GP wants to go to the seminars, they have to join. This would become a security headache, but mostly it would require somebody at the doors to check IDs. What does this have to do with ships, I dont know.Other than the general interest this has sparked here, I guess I will be selling ship stuff so it is still technically "on topic" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: Re: Naval Movies Les Pickstock wrote about "Silent Enemy". As an old timer I well remember this movie from the mid 1950s. The interesting thing I remember is that it included several shots of the Italian Battleships of the "Dulio/Doria" class that were not taken out of service until 1956 and next to HMS Vanguard and the USS 'wisconsin were one of the last battleships in service and probably at the time the oldest in service. Another scene at the very beginning showed a night attack by a flotilla of Italian MAS torpedo boats supposedly on Malta or Gibraltar. Did such an action occur? Naturally the movie tried to give the impression that it was the British trying to sink the Italians whereas in actuality it was the other way around, but that soon after WWII one could not successfully distribute a film in the States showing things from the former enemy's point of view. PC Coker Charleston -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: IPMS/USA Dallas Nats I've been forwarding messages of concern expressed on SMML regarding the Dallas Nationals to IPMS/USA President, John Noack, after deleting names or anything in the message that might identify the individual. John, in turn, forwarded things to Charles Davenport, who will have assumed the reins by the time of the Dallas convention. I received the following this morning from Charles, with the invitation to post it verbatim. I think it says a lot about upcoming leadership. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys >> I was cc'd on this message and since it appears that I am going to become President of the Society (no one running against me) I can step up and express my policy on this and other matters. You don't know me as John does. Where John is erudite and politic, I am a bull in a china shop. Just ask John how I treat his models (laughs). Seriously. The EBoard establishes policy. It does not do this in a vacuum but, ultimately, the National Convention is responsibility of the EBoard. If things go well the local hosting chapter comes out smelling like a rose. If things do not, like Harry Truman, "The buck stops here." After traveling the world in the military, I had the opportunity to see firsthand the ravages of prejudice. While I am stretching the point to the limit, the comments attributed to the hosting Texas chapter concerning access to the vendors strike me as prejudicial and counterproductive. John and I have worked for eight long years to build a level of trust and respect between IPMS and industry/vendors. I will be damned if I let anyone damage that with misguided parochial intent. The IPMS/USA EBoard will establish policy regarding attendance and participation...no one else. The local hosting chapter does just that...hosts the Convention and adds its unique flavor to the event. We selected IPMS/ North Central Texas as our hosting chapter because of their reputation and proven expertise. I am confident that any comments attributed to them are merely the result of the excitement and pride generated as a result of hosting one of the most prestigous modeling events in the world. You may rest assured that equal access will be given to ALL participants and paid entrants to EVERY IPMS/USA event, including the National Convention. Spread the word; we want all modelers to find a home with IPMS/USA. The more the merrier! Please feel free to use any or all of these comments. I would ask only that you print passages verbatim and not out of context. Regards, Charles Davenport, Maj, USAF, (Ret) Instructor, Loganville High School << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Information >> 1, what colors were the R4D's painted? I understand they were OD Green over Light Gray, is this correct? << That depends. What time period are you thinking of. Heck, the USN was still flying R4Ds well postwar, and they certainly weren't OD/Light Gray then. >> 2, Does anyone make a decal of the Naval Air Transport Service emblem? << Can't help here. >> 3. Who is currently manufacturing a 1/350 scale Battleship North Carolina? << That would be Classic Warships. Owner, Steve Wiper is a SMMLie, and CW has a link on the Warships web page (http://www.warships.simplenet.com) John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Robert OConnor Subject: Pre-war German turret markings Hi, Gang-- Can anyone help with details on the colors of the port-to -starboard stripes seen on the turrets of German capital ships,as seen in many pre war photos of DUETSCHLAND, ADMIRAL SCHEER and others?? All I've been able to come up with are black and white shots with no real details. Also, can anyone give me quick kit critiques of 1/700 scale German cruiser resin kits Koln or Karlsruhe( by Kobo-Hiryu),or SAMEK kit Nurnberg. Any input will be appreciated,as I hate to invest $$ in kits not worth the money--Value is important. Finally, I want to express a personal opinion-in the short time I've been a subscriber to this forum, I've become a better modeller and much more aware of naval military history.I've found that most serious modelers are historians at heart, which probably results in most of us stacking less than accurate kits in our closets and investing in more and newer kits requiring less accurising (in theory). Anyway, I feel that the free flow of information and opinions in this sort of format allows for the growth of both historical and hobby perspective. I'll get off my soapbox now and give someone else a chance to talk. thanx all!! Bob O'Connor, in Central Florida, where it's cloudy, humid, hot and we're waiting for cooler weather. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Brian Selzler Subject: River Plate video Thanks to all who responded to my question about this film. What a wonderful nugget of information it was to find out that the standin for Graf Spee was none other than USS Salem! This provides all the more reason for having a SMML convention aboard her, in my opinion. Hopefully, I'll be able to make the trek, perhaps with some other west coast Canucks? With regard to finding a copy of the video in NTSC format, I've drawn a blank after searching some online retailers, both Canadian and US. Does anyone have a PAL to NTSC interface module????? they can lend. regards, Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: H M S Cornwall In May 1941 the cruiser Cornwall was known to have been painted in a two tone unofficial disruptive camouflage. Does anybody have a picture of the ship showing this design? Also the same request for the cruiser Berwick which was camouflaged in October 1940. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Dave Baker Subject: ACHILLES TURRET AND DIRECTOR Saw the comments today about the condition of the turret and main battery director for the old ACHILLES, which are on display in New Zealand. The most recent issue of the RNZN's excellent monthly magazine NAVY TODAY has a short article about a recent and extensive restoration of the main battery director and its return to display. The Kiwis are evidently making a strong effort to restore the entire exhibit. Best/Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "David Hathaway" Subject: WW1 Monitor deck materials - thanks People Thanks for the help - the pointer to the "The big gun monitors" book sounds particularly promising. David Hathaway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Peter Hall" Subject: IPMS(UK) Nationals Ship Classes Hello everyone, I have just had a discussion with Rob Sullivan, the IPMS(UK) President, and have been assured that the ship classes for this years Nats will be reverted to their old format with the exception that the new Scratchbuilt ships class is now a feature of what he hopes will become a new ships category. Rob sends his best wishes to everyone on the SMML and hopes that more ship modellers will be encouraged to join IPMS(UK) and enter the Nats competition. To do this he intends to revise and overhaul the ships section totally and add new classes. This is to be done through Mr John Tapsell, who I'm sure you know by now is the new competition secretary, and he will endevour to coordinate proposals made by as many ship modeller members as possible. This can be done by having representatives from the relevant special interest groups ie. Cruiser Sig, Battleship Sig etc. making their proposals to the magazine a oppossed to raising them at the AGM, which is not attended by all members. The return to the original classes will be posted in the next issue of the IPMS magazine which is due out just before the Nats. It will also be posted at the competition desk on the day of the competition so that everyone gets notified one way or another. Once again I would like to stress that Rob wants to encourage further membership of ship modellers to IPMS(UK) by developing and expanding the competition classes, and would like to do so with our help. If we can communicate our thoughts to those that matter then maybe we can avoid unfortunate misunderstandings as that which happened recently. John has just received his baptism of fire, and everyone concerned has become a bit wiser. The ship modellers have certainly announced their presence at IPMS (UK). Thank you to all those that sent in their ideas and comments. Best regards Peter Hall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Brent Jernigan Subject: Re: Wrong Petropavlovsk >> The 1914 dreadnought type Petropavlovsk was named after the famous ship in which admiral Makarov lost his life. It is technically a very interesting ship with a rather peculiar design rationale (she was designed as a mobile defense for the St Petersburg mine barrier) and the best fire control of the era. Half-sister Imperatritsa Marya kept SMS Goeben under accurate fire at over 35000 yards....in 1914 (25 years before radar control). << I believe this is listed under Warships of the World: http://www.warships1.com/RUSbb01_Gangut.htm as sister to Gangut and Sevastopol. This site has some good pictures. There is also an excellent article in Warship International No. 2, 1999 that covers many aspects of these ships (Warship International can be found online at ). The Imperial Russian Navy used a differential computer called the Argo Clock (invented by Arthur Pollen, a british inventor. The British evidently rejected the Argo Clock for no good reason.). It added bearing rate of change to fire control calculations, reducing errors caused by course changes in the target. The April following the Goeben's encounter with the Imperitritsa Maria, the German light cruiser Breslau had a close encounter with the Imperitritsa Ekaterina. When the gap between the two ships widened to ten miles, the captain of the Breslau radioed the Russians wishing them a safe voyage. The reply was a salvo of 12 in shells that passed by close overhead and exploding close enough to rock the Breslau. The third salvo actually straddled the ship with near misses on both sides. Only when the gap between the two ships widened to 13 miles did the Russians cease firing. Brent Jernigan Midwest Battle Group IJN Mikuma (fitting out) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Norman Alfred Sells Subject: Naval wartime films Hi again SMML'ers, On the topic of the good old black & white films relating to WWII today there was shown on TV in the UK (channel 4) "ABOVE US THE WAVES" made I believe in the 50's. It starred John Gregson,John Mills, Donald Sinden, and James Robertson Justice and depicted the attack upon German surface warships in Norwegian Fjords by the crews of midget submarines. Sadly I missed it as I still have to work for a living. HOWEVER........ As from this Thursday 9th Sept on ITV in UK a new series starts called.... "THE SECOND WORLD WAR IN COLOUR". The write up states that it is a series of films telling the story of WWII through rare colour film most of which has never been seen before... I have the VCR ready for action (preferably Naval !!!) We are still basking in a sultry warm Kent where those beautifull hops are still to be found and which are now being harvested....Its heaven to just stand in an oast house and inhale that aroma (beats cordite any day) Norman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Heller HMS Victory Stick and string ships are outside my area of limited expertise but I do recall reading a fairly detailed appraisal of a large scale Heller sailing ship (either Victory or Le Superbe, or possibly both) in an old Airfix Magazine or Scale Models some years ago. The author seemed to know his stuff (unusual among reviewers in my experience) about the subject and made a number of points which indicated this fact. There were a few uncorrectable hull errors and some ghastly problem with the rigging blocks and gun carriages which seemed to demand a significant amount of tedious scratchbuilding, but that is about all I can remember. Given a few days, I could probably dig it out if necessary. I do recall him suggesting a book (the name and author, rather unhelpfully, escape me entirely) on rigging which he described as almost essential. I hope this helps, although on re-reading it, it is pretty unlikely that it will! Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "F J Hueso" Subject: Destructor, linoleum and other things About Michael Satin's post concerning ships which gave her name to an entire type, we in Spain have the "Destructor", which for us is the first true "Torpedo Boat Destroyer ", albeit an experimental one, and which lend her name for such type in our Navy. Following linoleum thread, I re-read Prince von Hohenzollern's book about Emden's cruisers and though he is very specific about throwing everything flammable overboard when war broke out, as Falk Pletscher states, there's nothing about removing linoleum. To David Hathaway about decks on monitors, David White (Model Shipwright 94, "Modeller's Draught" of M 15, p. 36, states" The decks were not wood sheathed but anti-slip coconut matting was laid on the upper deck from the break of the forecastle to almost theafter end of the superstructure" and, as of colours: "-All decks, except where there is coconut matting: Red oxide. -Coconut matting: Brown". As I have the accompanyingh plan let me know if I can help you with it. A query: May I have some info about colours of Ar 196 planes in service aboard KM Ships? I'm building Revell's kit (Before getting straddled, I'm an "Only Navy planes, please!" guy, of course) and as I state, I wish not to be thrown overboard being mistaken for ein Luftwaffe-fanatisch ( Sorry for my German!) Current projects: too many: Finishing (i.e. expecting the Painting time): Airfix Schnellboot. Glencoe Coast Guard Rescue Boat. Academy TBF Avenger (Flying things again, brrr...) on the stocks (i.e.building): Hasegawa USS Alabama. Artesania Latina Galleon San Francisco. USS Saratoga CV60, (supposed to be from Italeri?) I don't know if my dreams will come true but it could be a wonderful thing to be aboard USS Salem next year... And last but not least, it's a pity that Dédalo suffers so much after being in service so many years. For the Spanish Navy she was an entire new age: our first true carrier,and the first one using Harriers. She marked a thorough revolution here (not least because the Air Force wasn't the only Service flying planes and choppers) We were unable to preserved them, as was the case with Canarias. Hope she rest honourably as Museum! Regards Javier Hueso Madrid, España -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Sub question >> I am inquiring for another modeler, does Blue Water Navy still make a 1/350 Lafayette class submarine? << Yes, they do. They also have a model of the USS James Polk, with the SDV shelters on the deck. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: Demologos From article entitled "Fulton's Steam Battery, Demologos, Part One," Model Ship Builder, No. 100, March/April 1996: Plans (two sheets) available from Naval History Section of Smithsonian Institution (drawn from plans in Danish National Archives), showing 30 cannon, one at either bow. Article covers wood construction in detail - was continued in MSB, No. 101. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML Confederate ironclad data >> Donal Caney's "The Old Steam Navy", Volume I, from Naval Institute Press << Hi; Above is an EXCELLENT book on ACW union ships. Can anyone direct me to an equivalent book on Confederate ships. By the way-How many Confederate Ironclads were there? Thanks Chuck Duggie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: US National Archives - Royal Navy Finds Folks, My visits to the US National Archives and Records Administration II and the Naval Institute went very well! Many thanks to all who guided me to the right sections. During my 10-hour research at NARA II I was able to view many of the files on the British Royal Navy of WWII and made more than 800! high-quality legal copies of original photographs. Over the next few days I will send you detailed reports on my finds, but I thought that some of them are worth mentioning now, including: 1. A superb portside view of HMS Edinburgh enroute to Scapa Flow in early April 1942. The photograph was taken from Wasp. One can clearly distinguish 4 colors in Edinburgh's camouflage and I will dare to say that they are 507A-507C-B5-B6... 2. A majestic overhead view of HMS Sheffield from August 13, 1941 which reveals that her multi-colored scheme (see Raven's centerfold in the Town Class Ensign and WEM's superb illustration in their 1:350 Sheffield model) WAS carried on her decks and on turret tops at least for the day that the photograph was taken! 3. A portside of HMS Victorious from May 21, 1943 taken from Saratoga. This is a photo from the time of Victorious' service with the USN's Pacific Fleet. If I read the photo correctly, Victorious is wearing a Measure 21 scheme of overall 5-N Navy Blue and 20N Deck Blue and carries USN Martlets and Avengers on her flight deck! 4. A broadside view of HMS Orion from March 6, 1942 showing her painted in a single color which has the tonal appearance of Mountbatten Pink! 5. A wonderful collection of photographs of HMS Nigeria from 1941 and 1943 including a stern overhead view showing her decks being camouflaged. I will try to find the best way to get more detailed information to those who are interested. I have kept some of the photo index numbers. Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: ARSALAS@aol.com Subject: White metal and adhesives/Coast Guard manual Hello All, I know that white glue (Elmer's) can be used to attach photoetch to injection molded surfaces. Can white glue be used to attach photoetch parts to resin? Also can white glue be used to attach white metal to both resin and injection molded surfaces? On another note, the Blue Jacket's Manual has been used by naval recruits for most if not all of this century. Does anyone know what the coast guard uses? Allan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Chuck Messer Subject: Demologos info - Thanks! Wow! I want to thank everyone for the information that you've been sending me since I made my inquiry about Fulton's Steam-Tub. I'm also glad to see I started an intersting discussion as well. I'll be following the leads you sent me. Again, thanks! :^) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Good, Bad & the Ugly Howdy: I noticed today on Hyperscale there's a string going about the nicest and uglies plane of all time. So that got me to thinking of what we think the nicest and ugliest ships of all time are. Since most of us concentrate on WW2 and before, lets keep the nominations there. This includes everything from the big boys (carriers and battleships) to the little guys (destroyers and subs). Being a topic of general opinion, I hope a lot of you will chip in. Although the Iowa class ships are rapidly growing on me and comes in a close second, I still have to give the nod to the Yamato class as the best looking ship. Her long, sleek bow and sheer line, angled funnel and mast, tall tower bridge and yardarms, not to mention big guns in turrets that aren't just flat blocks like the US battleships. Once in a while I walk by the Yamato I'm working on and have to stop and say "gee, she's looking great today". I was temped to pick on the HMS Rodney with the blocky tower and all forward gun layout, but my ugliest ship nomination goes to the Queen Elizabeth class ships. Big blocky structures dominate (tower, funnel, turrets) and the bland bow and sheer line don't help things much. Her smaller size compared to later ships accentuates the uglyness. Alhough I feel that ships are not naturally ugly, I think these ships have more than their fair share. I feel that in both cases it takes a big ship to have a lot of beauty or ugliness, a destroyer or corvette just doesn't have that much if a chance to make a big impression either way. And you gotta admit that with carriers there's limited opportunity for asthetics due to the space the flight deck demands. Lets hear what y'all out there in SMML land thinks! Cheers Mike Hi Mike, Great topic. Although, I'm going the break the rules & say that Oliver Hazard Perry FFG's are pretty ugly - at least when you compare them to Darings("Last of the Destroyers sleek"), Charles F Adams etc. Which I did when I first started work at HMA Dockyard Garden Is, wayyyy back in 1980. They just didn't look right ;-). Although since then they've grown on me. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Petropavlovsk The battleships of the GANGUT class were completetd in a light to medium gray paint. During the winter of 1914/15 they received an overall white paint. In 1915 the overall color was light gray again, but it lataer changed to dark gray. The booms at the aft funnel are shown on a photo taken in the winter of 1914/15, but they may not have been rigged all the time. Also the searchlights on the funnel platform are shown on several photos of PETROPAVLOVSK and other GANGUT class ships, some of which were even taken at the time of comopletion, and are missing on some other photos. In late 1916 the torpedo nets were removed and the rangefinders were replaced by new director control places. In 1917 small guns were added on the tops of the fore and aft turret. During this period the painting remained overall dark gray. A photo of MARAT after his re-commissioning in 1923 shows a medium-dark hull and light upperworks then. As for the deck paint, I could find no photo evidence. But some photos show that the turret roofs were light gray while the ship carried an overall light gray paint. Some other photos, however, indicate that the turret roofs were dark gray with the light gray overall paint. A painting of GANGUT clearly shows that the dark gray overall paint was also carried on those deck parts that were not covered with wooden planking. As far as I remember, I saw a documentation about the Russian civil war some years ago on TV. There was also some footage of the Kronstadt mutiny which showed some scenes an board of a GANGUT class battleship. The paint was worn and striped and, in my memory, looked like there had been white or a light gray painted over a dark basic color which now was shining through. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Richard L. Neville" Subject: Naval Ordinance Websites Dear List, Trying to locate websites that have comparative information about W.W.II naval guns of the major combatants. Nothing elaborate just general info ( range, penetration, rate of fire, etc.) from 3" up to 12" guns. Thanks Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Members-only access to dealers room Hi, Just thought I'd put in a comment about how we in the UK do this at SF conventions. The Con opens on a Friday lunchtime. Friday afternoon/evening, the dealers are setting up in the Dealers Room. Saturday morning 09:00-11:00, the room is opened to the volunteer Stewards only (members of the Con who have agreed to give part of their time to help run the show). 11:00 onwards, the room is opened to the Con attendees. 6:00pm Sunday evening, the room closes. Monday lunchtime, the Con closes. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: USS NEW JERSEY Naval Base Hobbies would like to put your pics with your name on the page I need 1/350, 1/600, 1/700 on our website. Thanks Shaya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Peter Mispelkamp" Subject: MOGAMI Joe: If you cannot find anyone willing to make the trade you want, I would be willing to purchase your Mogami. I would like to convert her to the Mikuma, and this will complete my collection of the four ships of the class. I do have some close to 1/400 Revell kits I would be willing to offer in trade - USS Randal, Pine Island, and Burleigh. Pleae let me know either way. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp PS - I tried contacting you personally - but my message was bounced. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Diorama Has anyone heard from Jeff Herne recently concerning the Pearl Harbor Diorama project? I have recruited individuals to work on the PH Submarine Base and have a list of submarines "in port" in Jan. '44. I have not been able to contact Jeff via email, and would appreciate hearing from anyone who has had recent contact. Thanks! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume