Subject SMML13/10/99VOL697 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:45:58 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Congratulations 2: Re: F9F Cougar 3: Liberty Model Productions email/address/phone? 4: Heller HMS Victory research information 5: US Navy in the Atlantic Ocean in WW2 6: HMS Victory and 1/350 searchlights 7: Russian ship names/pennant #s 8: Searchlights 9: Ranger and hard to find kits 10: British carrier model conversions 11: Signal Flags 12: "Infringements" 13: 1/700 scale accessories 14: Re: Photos 15: HMS Victory 16: USS San Jacinto Tour 17: Re: USS Alaska 18: USS Linett AM-76 19: U.K IPMS NATIONALS 20: Request for Help 21: Re: More MS-9 22: 1:350 searchlights 23: Re: USS Honolulu and Savannah 24: APD 25: Re: Signal Flags 26: USS Cleveland by Revell?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New calendar 2: Edmund Fitzgerald 3: New from Tom's Modelworks 4: Trivia # 9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Congratulations Hi gang, Word has reached me of a fellow SMMLie doing very well at the IPMS Vancouver Fall Show, scoring a 2nd & 3rd place with his 1/700 HMS Onlsow & HMS Pakenham from the Skywave/Tamiya kit. So stand up & take a bow Keith Butterley for a job well done. Shane & Mistress Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Satin, Michael N. (SHEP)" Subject: Re: F9F Cougar I hate to do this, since I'm sure someone will complain (legitimately) about the off-topic subject matter, but I seem to know something here that others don't. So here goes. A company called Collect-Aire makes (or made) a resin and white-metal 1/48 F9F-8 Cougar. It's a little rough, but quite useable. WAY better than the Revell offering. Its biggest problem is the high price (somewhere in the $90 US range), so it kind of depends how bad you want one (I needed one for both my Blue Angels and Grumman Cats collections). I'm not sure off the top of my head how to get hold of them, but they always have an ad in Fine Scale Modeler. Again, sorry for the off topic. At least it's Navy! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Joseph Poutre Subject: Liberty Model Productions email/address/phone? Hi all, I ordered some items from Liberty a while ago, and have not received the product. I can't find their phone # or an email address so I can contact them and find out what happened. Does anyone out there have it? This is the company in Pennsylvania, they make some detail parts in 1/350 for ships, but mostly railroad and auto details. Thanks in advance, Joseph Poutre Trustee and co-webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Bishop, Paul" Subject: Heller HMS Victory research information I too have the Heller Victory model and am waiting for my retirement to build it! You might want to get a copy of "The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships" by C. Nepean Longridge and illustrated by George F. Cambell. It is the ultimate in-depth treatment on the Victory and details the construction of Longridge's wooden bulkhead model. You will find many fold out drawings on ship details too. I have this book and have also purchased from Model Shipways their blueprints in of the Victory by George F. Cambell (same as in Longridge's book but 1/100 scale I believe). You may inquire with Model Expo now as they have purchased Model Shipways -- they may still be able to get the plans and or the book. Amazon.com has the book in stock (just checked) for $59.95. Paul Bishop -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "larsenal" Subject: US Navy in the Atlantic Ocean in WW2 Hello all! For those interested by the subject, the French magazine Marines has just released a quaterly on the US Navy in the Battle of the Atlantic in WW2. The magazine is well illustrated with the following subjects: -The US Navy enters the Battle -The role of the US Navy until December 1941 -The US Navy battle order -The German offensive -10 months of battle ( summer 42-April 43 ) -Escort carriers vs U-Boots This issue is full of well printed photographs. Best regards, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Bill Code" Subject: HMS Victory and 1/350 searchlights Hello list, to the person who was given a Heller HMS Victory for their birthday, happy birthday BTW...its quite an involved kit.at 2,500 parts...the hull is quite nice and the rigging diagrams are helpful. You can make a nice build right from the box with just the instructions..If your game to improve her then The Anotomy of Nelsons ships and The one hundred gun ship HMS Victory are books to have..The heller kits shows her as she apeared after her last refit as a !00 gunner around 1812 when she was stricken from the rolls of active warships...good luck, I'm still building mine! As for doing shutters for 1/350 searchlights, etched brass waste stock from the edge of a tree works well ..bore the lens out to make it concave, paint the surface chrome silver,dab on crystal clear and with a strong light and steady hand set them in place...just remember they should be closed like a louvered blind under stowed conditions...so you could cheat by placing thin platic stock over the light and scoring it were the louvers would be...alot easier! regards Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Russian ship names/pennant #s I need to find out which names go with which pennant#s for Russian Krivak I's. I don't have many books, but the ones I do have list names without #'s. Same with the websites that I have searched. Can anybody out there in the collective knowledge base help me out? Thanks, Darren Scannell Hi Darren, IIRC, Soviet ships change their pennant numbers each time they go out. Your best bet would be to find a photo of a Krivak & go from there. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Searchlights Mark, Here's how I do it...the results are great... Plastruct plastic makes clear acrylic rod in a variety of diameters... Drill out the plastic 'lenses' in the kit searchlight and determine what diameter you need. Cut a 'wafer' of clear plastic rod and polish the ends, ending up with 1500 or 2000 grit paper, then use either white toothpaste or plastic polish to make the wafer transparent. On the back of the wafer, drill a small hole in the center to represent the bulb in the light. Don't drill all the way through. Add a drop of dark gray or silver to the hole for effect. For the shutters, you simply use an xacto knife to lightly scribe the front surface of the lens. Depending upon which type of searchlight you're doing, you can either paint between the lines to replicate the closed shutters, or simply add a wash to the scribed lines to simulate opened shutters. If you really want to go nuts, then ladder rungs from 1/350 railings can be layed over the top to replicate each individual shutter panel. Putting my jeweler's loop back on, Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Ranger and hard to find kits For any of you who are looking for Corsair Armadaıs Ranger; Jim Shirleyıs AO177 Cimarron, San Francisco, C-3 and Oriskany; Classic Warshipıs APD; Loose Cannonıs T-2 and Dixie/Vulcan will find a limited number at Colpar Hobby. E-mail www.colpar.com or use 1-800-876-0414 for service. They have about fourteen brands of resin ships [1/35 to 1/700] in stock along with a plastic ship assortment and brass. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: British carrier model conversions Hello, Does anyone know how much work it would take to convert one of the Aoshima 1/700 Illustrious class kits into one of the later Implacable class ships? I'm not sure how many major external cosmetic differences exist between the two classes. Are they minor things like AA/radar fit and bridge structure, or am I looking at different hull or deck shapes? Speaking of British carriers, why are so many WWII carriers missing in 1/700? Where are the early carriers (Hermes, Eagle, Glorious etc) and the late-war light carriers (Colossus)? Seems odd to me. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Signal Flags Hello Mark, The signal flags used on most warships were either 6X6 feet (1.8X1.8 meters) or 6X8 feet (1.8X2.4 meters). The pennants were longer. Occasionally, some of the smaller ships would use smaller flags, but even the destroyers tended to use 6 foot hoists since the flags were intended to be seen at great distances through haze. During WWII the world navies on both sides of the war used the same alphabet flags and numeric pennants. However, the numerical flags were different. Britain, the US, and Japan all had different numerical flags (I am not sure about Germany or the other nations). As for the national ensigns, in the US and Britain the sizes for flags in port were as follows: Aircraft carriers and battleships: 12 foot hoists; Escort carriers and cruisers: 9 foot hoists; destroyers, escort destroyers, gun boats: 6 foot hoists. PTs and other patrol boats generally used either 6 foot or 4.5 foot hoists. I am not entirely sure what sizes were used at sea but there is a picture of the Yorktown at Midway with the US flag flying over the superstructure that is gigantic. Now for the shameless plug: Toms Modelworks stocks Signal Flag and Pennants sets in both 1/700 and 1/350 scales. They include all the alphabet flags and numeric pennants as well as the the other code pennants. There are sets for both the US and British numerical flags. The flags are all scale 6 foot hoists. The sets also include the British White Ensign, Red Ensign, and Blue Ensign and US flag in scale 9 hoists as well as the White Ensign and US flag in 6 foot hoists. The appropriately scaled Union jacks and US jacks are included. The resolution is good enough to make out the points on the stars in 1/700 scale (with a 30X microscope!) I highly recommend these sets because I print them. If there is a demand for a Japanese set, I will make one available. But please contact Toms Modelworks for pricing and to order the them. Also specify which set your would like - US or British numerical flags. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Melvin Burmaster" Subject: "Infringements" To fellow visionaries of sea and space: The issue of "intellectual copyright" and "plagiarism" is a damn difficult one. Years ago, Mike Bartel of Imperial Models and I discussed what one could do in this respect since I'm an attorney and having had such interest in Mike's "never builts" that Mike decided to begin crafting his ships for production. Unfortunately or fortunately, as one views life, I've come to the conclusion that in this arena, as we are dealing with items in the "public domain", there seemingly is little a manufacturer can do. That said, we next look at "intellectual content". I believe a good argument is made that ships of the normal run, for which one can obtain plans, etc., are "public domain". Absent the copier making an abjectly stupid mistake of copying something down to the the level that he copies a tell-tale mark, one can alays argue that he, as well as the other guy, followed "public domain." But for ships that were never built, though, speculation is speculation. The first one building should then have first dibs. An infraction is provable "on its face". What are the recourses? Probably what most of us in this arena profess, and that is "free market." Now, the fellow who was "ethically challenged" with respect to Mike - I noticed that his ships, albeit at that time, were, IMNHO, "crap" . I have bought anything from him since then and I tell those thinking about such to simply compare ships. Putting out $10-$20 more dollars in order to get deck scribing or gun barrels or a complete ship (not the "bait and switch" routine of lesser costs for a ship with rough outlines which you get to complete as a "craftsman kit") is in my books a good return. I surely don't save the money buying the "rough and tumble" and having to invest a great deal of time in making it fit. I've personally modelled long enough that if that's the case, I'd do it myself from scratch. Onward, though. As a free market disciple, I must quote old Franklin's "ounce of prevention." Given people are lazy and tend to cheat, even in our gentleman's club we ought to learn to have written agreements. (There's enough attorneys out there to draw up the necessary CYA paper, and enough competent ones to make certain that's not the only use for the paper thereafter.) Hmm, seems like a good idea - consult your friend the attorney w/an interest. Hell, his legal fee may be to receive a kit in trade. With hourly rates, that would prove a consumer bargain. In the meantime, posting facts on the Internet is the right way to go. The Internet can, if "de gov keepa da hands off" could prove THE tool for effective consumer information. I'm game for a riposte, although keep the intensity down below Jackie Fisher's jibe on wardroom fights! Meanwhile, I commend those who labour to produce these great gray vessels. MJBurmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Danjessar@aol.com Subject: 1/700 scale accessories I'm gathering the accessories needed for my 1/700 scale USS Detroit. I've purchased the Tom's Modelworks brass for Omaha class cruisers, but I still need to find boats, davits, 3"/50 single mount guns, and some 20mm guns. Can anybody point me to a source of these? I can scratch build the davits if necessary, but my scratchbuilding skills are limited (if there are some suggestions somewhere on how to do this, that would be appreciated as well). Thanks, Dan Schweikert Franklinton, NC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Andrew Hough" Subject: Re: Photos Sir, You enquired about photos of Shropshire in the latter half of 1940. Our local newspaper recently ran a few articles about Shropshire's crest being returned to the County from Australia. Included in the article is a photograph of what is claimed to be Shropshire which was apparently bought in Plymouth in 1943. Printed to the usual newspaper standard, it is very difficult to make out many details of the ship but the ship is photographed from the port bow. She is making slow headway in confined waters. What makes me curious is that there is a large deck house (hanger?) aft with what looks like a director on top. This appears very similar to the photo of Suffolk on page 84 of "Cruisers of WW2". If you would like a copy of the original, I'll see if I can track it down. Regards Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Andrew Hough" Subject: HMS Victory Glenn (or should that be Hazel?) I don't have Heller's kit of the Victory but I do have their 'Le Soleil Royale' and if the Victory is as good, you have a nice kit. The only problem I understand exists with the kit is that the decks have no camber. This could be corrected with difficulty but whether it is worth it is up to you. I have collected a number of notes, queries, comments etc on this kit and, if you would like a copy, I'll send one by e-mail. I presume you are aware of the usual references for the Victory. There are a number of links to Victory sites including at least one with photos of the actual ship. Unfortunately I recently lost a number of my 'favourite' links and have yet to find them Sorry about that. Regards Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: USS San Jacinto Tour Hi SMML'ies, My Photo tour of the USS San Jacinto, CG 56, is now up and running, please stop by for a visit. Thanks. Ian http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Frank and Carol Berger" Subject: Re: USS Alaska The Alaska used Ms32/1d, which was only two colors on the vertical surfaces, 5-L and Dull Black. The horizontal surfaces were 5-O, Ocean Gray and 20-B, Deck Blue. This comes from the Floating Drydock Camouflage Sheet CF-142. I am building the Samek 1/700 Alaska. The camouflage sheet corrects the painting information in the kit. The pattern is incorrect and Samek would have you paint the decks deck tan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: USS Linett AM-76 Hi Group, I received the following Email, looking for info on the USS Linett, anyone have any info for this fella? Mac http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ >> I am wondering if you can help me. I'm not sure if you can, but maybe you can give me some addresses or resources to look into. I am searching for information about the minesweeper my father served on in the early 1950s, the Linnet. It is a US Navy craft. I have searched many places and not been able to find much. I did find a small paragraph in the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships. It listed the ship as AM76 Linnet. I believe your sight concerns the Canadian Navy but if you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. Thanks for your time. Toye Eskridge teskridge@GW.CCAROLINA.CC.NC.US << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: U.K IPMS NATIONALS O.K. Guys and Galsses, We're gearing up for the IPMS Nats in under 2 weeks time.. check out some details on http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/news.htm What Dave and I and all the other SMMLies we know who will be in attendance would like to know, is WHO will be going from the list. It'd be nice to say to Mr "X".. hey, that's Mr "Y", another Smmlie... not much chance really of Dave and I getting away for a special "SMMLlie-Meet", but please come and intruduce yourself to us anyhow, and I will try and match fellow F***er and Y***to enthusuasts up together, and collar those closet camou/R.N destroyer enthusuasts and knowledgeable persons (yes... that's right, they know who they are!) and lock them up together in a small room with a coupla gallons of beer and the Snyder and Short Chips to play with.. we MIGHT even bring along our own set for reference (I can hear the White Raven's ears perk up there!!). We'll have Peter Hall, Dave, Myself, and Jim Baumann on the stand.. and my Mum and Dad to help as ususal. So, go on, don't be shy... let us all know if you are coming AND if you intend to enter.. (just so as Peter Hall knows what he's up against (!!!) Thanks! Caroline WEM PS: Next year, it seems that the Listmaster and his esteemed Mistress will be travelling 1/2-way round the world to visit, so there's no excuse NOT to attend for Y2K!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Request for Help SMMLmates: I recently received correspondence from Ilhan Aydiner with a request for information that I cannot provide. Ilhan asked for a comparison chart between Tamiya and Molak colors. As I rarely use Tamiya colors and am completely unfamiliar with Molak colors, I am unable to help. If any of this august body has any information that may help please let me know off-list or contact ILHAN at: koi@turk.net Thanks for the help. John Collins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: More MS-9 << it also shows Revell style dimples on the fwd torpedo tubes, after I carefully filled and sanded them flush, AARRGGHH! << Fear not, that is because the shutters weren't installed yet. Note that it is an earlier (Sargo) class, and has only 4 forward torpedo tubes, not the six of the fleet boats. BTW, I always make my flat black below the waterline. No real documentation for that, I just do.... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: 1:350 searchlights Very realistic searchlights in 1:350 scale are not too difficult. You will need a lens with shutters, a reflector and the searchlight body. The body is the kit part. Use a round burr on a dremel to partially hollow it out. Make a reflector from pie tin foil, such as take-out food comes in. Make a dimple the same diameter as your reflector needs to be with a suitable tool. (A piece of sprue with one end filed smooth, round and blunt will work). Put the foil on something springy like a piece of leather and push it in. Then use a paper punch or a punch-and-die of the proper diameter to pop the dimple out. Yes, this can be done without crushing the dimple. You now have a reflector. Insert this into the cavity you carved into the searchlight body using white glue (other glue may fog). To make the lens with shutters, carefully scribe parallel lines on a sheet of clear acetate or plastic. This is the only hard part requiring a steady hand. (Use the clear plastic top of above mentioned take out food pie tin). For extra effect you can over paint the clear plastic with grey paint, then polish the paint off. Grey color will remain inside the scribed lines simulating the metal shutters very nicely! Then use hole punch to punch out the lenses. Attach this to the face of your searchlight with white glue. Finish off the edges with a ring made of brass wire wrapped around a dowel or sprue the diameter of the lens. I dare anyone to make a better searchlight. Cheers Dave Krakow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Derek "Tiger" Wakefield Subject: Re: USS Honolulu and Savannah >> http://www.navsource.org/Archives/CA/cl48.htm << Been there, as well as Hyperwar, USS Salem, etc, but I haven't been able to find too many pics of the Honolulu c.1943-44. Most of those available on the web that I've found have been pre-war shots. >> How about one of each! << Re: IS Nashville and CW Brooklyn... It's a possibility. I'm leaning toward the Nashville for the Honolulu project. CWs 1/350th Helena is already on my "gotta have" list. Comparatively, the Savannah is a longer term project (see later). As such, I'd like to see some out of the box pics of the Brooklyn before I make a decison. >> Corsair Armada did a 1/700 USS Honolulu (Phoenix) in her 41-42 trim, and the former Jim Shirley Productions did the Honolulu in her 43 trim. << The question is, are either of these still available? Or maybe I should ask, does Corsair Armada have a website? Too bad they ran out of their Ranger kits. That would've been a nice one to have. CWs 1/700 Helena is another on my "gotta get" list - in part as practice for working on the 1/350th scale kits, and in part for a project I've had in mind for a number of years now. A 1/700 Honolulu would also be a nice addition to the fleet. >> That would make an interesting conversion article, if you get brave and do it, please keep us informed. << Brave is in deed the proper word here. I need to rack up a lot more experience under my belt before I attempt this one. Should I eventually get around to doing it, I'll try to remember to keep a log and make drawings of the parts I have to make. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Derek "Tiger" Wakefield Subject: APD Okay, I KNOW I've seen one of these lately, but I can't remember where I saw it. Who offers a kit of a Buckley High Speed Transport? My dad served on the USS Weiss (APD-135) sometime between '58 and '60 as part of a program they had back then called a "Youth Tour". I thought it might make a nice change of pace from the the battleship and cruiser kits I concentrate most of my efforts on. My understanding is that the Weiss was one of the last ships of this class in commisson because she underwent a FRAM II upgrade. All Janes states is that the upgrades took place during the 60s, so I'm guessing she retained her WWII appearance at the time my dad served aboard her. Unfortunately, I never learned much about the ship from my dad about his time aboard her before he died this past April. About the only thing he ever mentioned was that it was a destroyer type ship with this really BIG gun up front, and a few remarks about him scraping paint with a pipe, doing a lot of painting, and ending up in sick bay after he bummed a an unfiltered Kool cigarette (never having had a menthol cig) off of one of his shipmates and passed out on the deck. As he once put it, I did NOT inherit my facination for the navy and ships from him. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Jeffry J. Fontaine" Subject: Re: Signal Flags Hi Shane; I ventured into the Naval Logistics Library at the Naval Supply Systems Command at Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania and gleaned a bunch of information for Mark concerning his quest for dimensional information on Flags, Pennants, Banners. I have already sent this to Mark off line. I was going to pass this directly to the SMML but after finding eight pages before editing out the repetition and managed to get it down to three pages. There are sometimes more than one set of dimensions included with each flag & pennant, so be forewarned. In response to the inquiry concerning dimensional information for Navy flags, pennants and banners. "How big were the signal flags? I really would hate to see any one get steering instructions for the wrong heading on this one. So if you would kindly direct your attention to the following link: http:\\www.nll.navsup.navy.mil You too, can be enlightened by the wonderful world of signal flags and the dimensional issues that sprout up with them. The first problem is dimension information. I thought it would be a simple problem to tackle, but you get to learn something new every day, there are more than one type of signal flag. It appears that the size of the vessel IS a contributing factor for signal flag dimensions, that and whether or not, the vessel is underway. If the ship is participating in a celebration or national holiday, there are signal flags for the occasion. If the vessel is conducting an operation in "harms way" and getting shot at, there are flags for this situation as well. So with all of those wrenches thrown into what I had thought would be a simple answer, I figure it would be to everyone's advantage to just visit the source of the information and view it for them selves. But if you want to save your self some time and effort, please read on, I extracted dimensional information for all of the Flags & Pennants that were listed in the Naval Logistics Library. I removed the National Stock Number information to keep things simple and left you with the basic dimensions for every flag, pennant, and banner that was related to ship board use. Enjoy, Jeffry Fontaine An Intelligence Analyst with entirely too much time on his hands in Bremerton, Washington. DIMENSIONAL INFORMATION FOR U.S. NAVY FLAGS, PENNANTS & FLAGSTAFF, BOAT USA NATIONAL FLAG. Fifty star. Reference Federal Specification: DDD-F-416. Lightweight nylon bunting. Cotton duck heading with distance line, ring and snap hook. Hoist Width and fly length in inches. Width: 28.5-X-Length: 54; Width: 42-X-Length: 80; Width: 60-X-Length: 114; Width: 107-X-Length: 204 GROMMETS. Light weight nylon bunting. Cotton duck heading with grommets. Hoist Width and fly length in inches. Width: 18-X-Length: 26; Width: 28.5-X-Length: 54; Width: 42-X-Length: 80 APPLIQUE STYLE. Duck type with distance line and thimbles, applique style. Hoist Width and fly length in inches. Width: 60-X-Length: 114 UNION JACK FLAG 50 stars on Blue backing. Lightweight nylon bunting. Cotton duck heading with distance line, ring and snap hook. Hoist Width and fly length in inches. Width: 23-X-Length: 32; Width: 32-X-Length: 42; Width: 58-X-Length: 82 FLAG, SIGNAL. Acrylic Bunting. Cotton duck heading with distance line, ring and snap-hook. Reference Specification: Mil-F-2692. INTERNATIONAL ALPHABET CODE DESIGNATORS. Hoist Width and fly length in inches. Letter A, ALPHA. Width: 21-X-Length: 21; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter B, BRAVO. Width: 21-X-Length: 21; Width: 35-X-Length: 35; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5; Width: 69.5-X-Length: 69.5 Letter C, CHARLIE. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter D, DELTA. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter E, ECHO. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter F, FOXTROT. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5; Width: 69.5-X-Length: 69.5 Letter G, GOLF. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter H, HOTEL. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5; Width: 69.5-X-Length: 69.5 Letter I, INDIA. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter J, JULIET. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter K, KILO. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter L, LIMA. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter M, MIKE. Width: 21-X-Length: 21; Width: 35-X-Length: 35; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter N, NOVEMBER. Width: 21-X-Length: 21; Width: 35-X-Length: 35; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter O, OSCAR. Width: 21-X-Length: 21; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter P, PAPA. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter Q, QUEBEC. Width: 35-X-Length: 35; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter R, ROMEO. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter S, SIERRA. Width: 35-X-Length: 35; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter T, TANGO. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter U, UNIFORM. Width: 35-X-Length: 35; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter V, VICTOR. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter W, WHISKEY. Width: 21-X-Length: 21; Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter X, X-RAY. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter Y, YANKEE. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5 Letter Z, ZULU. Width: 52.5-X-Length: 52.5; Width: 69.5-X-Length: 69.5 INTERNATIONAL NUMERAL CODE: Hoist Width and fly length in inches. Numeral 1, ONE. Numeral 2, TWO. Numeral 3, THREE. Numeral 4, FOUR. Numeral 5, FIFE. Numeral 6, SIX. Numeral 7, SEVEN. Numeral 8, EIGHT. Numeral 9, NINER. Width: 49-X-Length: 52.5 Numeral 0, ZERO. Width: 18-X-Length: 21; Width: 49-X-Length: 52.5 DAN BOUY. Cotton plane weave. Fluorescent Red and Yellow, both sides. Hoist Width and fly length in inches. Width: 36-X-Length: 35 DIVISION designation. Acrylic bunting cloth. Rectangular shape. Blue, Red, white, and Yellow colors, both sides. Reference Specification: Mil-F-2692. Size listed in inches. Width: 49-X-Length: 52.5 PORT designation. Acrylic bunting cloth. Rectangular shape. Red and White colors, both sides. Reference Specification: Mil-F-2692. Size listed in inches. Width: 49-X-Length: 52.5 SEMAPHORE designation. Acrylic bunting cloth. Rectangular shape. Red and Yellow colors, both sides. Reference Specification: Mil-F-2692. Size listed in inches. Width: 18-X-Length: 18 SQUADRON designation. Acrylic bunting cloth. Rectangular shape. Blue, Red, White and Yellow colors. Distance line. Reference Specification: Mil-F-2692. Size listed in inches. Width: 49-X-Length: 52.5 FLAG STAFF. BOAT. One piece varnished wood with one flat type flagstaff head and three screws to permit mounting of flagstaff heads. Length 8 feet. Graduated 1 1/2 inch diameter base to 1 inch diameter top. Reference Specification: Mil-F-40048. INTERNATIONAL CODE NUMERAL PENNANTS Pennant 1, Pennant 2, Pennant 3, Pennant 4, Pennant 5, Pennant 6, Pennant 7, Pennant 8, Pennant 9, Pennant 0. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 International Code Miscellaneous Designators: ANSWERING. Width: 14-X-Length: 29; Width: 41-X-Length: 83 FIRST SUBSTITUTE. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 SECOND SUBSTITUTE. Width: 24-X-Length: 51; Width: 41-X-Length: 83 THIRD SUBSTITUTE. Width: 14-X-Length: 29; Width: 24-X-Length: 51; Width: 41-X-Length: 83 United States Navy Miscellaneous Designators BLACK. Width: 41-X-Length: 83; Width: 55-X-Length: 112 CHURCH. Width: 35-X-Length: 104 COMMISSION. Width: 13-X-Length: 48 COMMISSION, Tube and Tunnel Type. Width: 24.5-X-Length: 72 CORPEN. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 DESIGNATING. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 EMERGENCY. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 FLOTILLA & BROAD COMMAND. Width: 14-X-Length: 18; Width: 24-X-Length: 31; Width: 41-X-Length: 54 FORMATION. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 FOURTH SUBSTITUTE. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 INTERROGATIVE. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 PREPARATIVE. Width: 24-X-Length: 51; Width: 41-X-Length: 83 SPEED. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 STARBOARD. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 STATION. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 SUBDIVISION. Width: 36-X-Length: 41 TURN. Width: 41-X-Length: 83 SHAPE, Day, Maritime. Aluminum frame with removable Black, Red, or White cotton duck cloth cover. For use as a daytime signaling device in warning other vessels to stay clear of operations being conducted. BLACK BALL DESIGN. Collapsible Aluminum frame lacing cord and snap-hook with ring. DIAMETER: 24 inches RED BALL DESIGN. Collapsible Aluminum frame lacing cord and snap-hook with ring. DIAMETER: 48 inches DIAMOND DESIGN. Rigid Aluminum Frame. DIAMETER: 23 inches, Length: 48 inches STREAMER, WARNING. Rectangular shape, Red Color, Fire, Oil, Abrasion Resistant, and/or Waterproof. Special features include a grommet centered approximately ½ inch from head. "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT." Width: 3-X-Length: 12; Width: 3-X-Length: 24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Paredes, Roberto" Subject: USS Cleveland by Revell?? Hi, Does anyone know if Revell is producing the USS Cleveland (ex-Skywave)? TIA, Roberto. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "singlar@pop.ma.ultranet.com" Subject: New calendar There is a year 2000 CV6 calendar. James T. Rindt will have it ready for shipping by early to mid Nov. The price is $7.00 payable by check or postal money order to: James T. Rindt. order from: James T. Rindt P.O. Box 464 Sheboygan, WI 53082-0464 Any questions please call during the day (9 am to 2 pm CST) at 920-459-7915. All procedes go to the USS Enterprise CV-6 association. This is a black & white calendar with various images of the Enterprise. Most I have never seen before. Also each day on the calendar is noted with events pertaining to CV-6. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH Associate member CV-6 Association -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Edmund Fitzgerald Hi Everyone, Iron Shipwrights will be releasing a 1/350 scale version of the Edmund Fitzgerald in January 2000. The pattern will be the work of Dick Schulenberg, the pattern maker for the USS Panay. Also, there will be two N scale ships coming in early 2000. The first will be a 173' PC 461 class ship, and the second will be an 180' Admirable class Minesweeper. The decision for N scale is to provide an available set of figures for the kits and a decent size kit for former crewmen. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: New from Tom's Modelworks New from Tom's Modelworks Set 734 1/700 scale set for the King George V and Prince of Wales kits (rails, cranes, radar's etc.) $10.00 Don't for get to check out our web site: http://www.tomsmodelworks.com for a listing of all our products and the holiday discounts and giveaways. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Trivia # 9 Sorry 'bout the delay folks, I think we've gotten the email issues fixed. As a result of the email mess-up, the point standings have changed a bit, sanartjam@aol.com was awarded 2 points for #8, which was not reflected in the totals. If you sent a response and were not credited, let me know. We'll struggle through the remainder of this round and start Round 2 with a new email address specifically for the trivia. DD-402 MAYRANT took a near miss about a yard off the port bow on July 26, 1943 while patrolling off Palermo, Sicily. According to the official damage report (sources differ on detail) the hull was breached,3 enginering spaces flooded immediately and the forward boiler room was partially flooded. The ship took on a 4 degree list to port. Answer #1 USS MAYRANT Answer #2 Reason for visiting brass - among the 13 wounded was Lieutenant Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. - son of the President. Four ships stood by - destroyers WAINWRIGHT (DD-417) and RHIND (DD-404), and minecraft SKILL and STRIVE. STRIVE came alongside to supply power for the ships pumps and for her armament. SKILL attached a towline and the three headed for Palermo at 6 knots. Answer #3 Minecraft SKILL (AM-115) and STRIVE (AM-117). Both were RAVEN/AUK class minesweepers. You received 4 points for any combination of the 4 ships listed above, for a max of 4. Correct responses were from: bbullock@thegrid.net - 8 points dhjonespsm@juno.com - 8 points sanartjam@aol.com - 8 points raeplus@direktnet.de - 8 points douglas.j.martin@email.msn.com - 6 points jmalondon@home.com - 2 points Standings through 8 rounds: sanartjam@aol.com - 25 points douglas.j.martin@email.msn.com - 24 points dhjonespsm@juno.com - 24 pts. sarup@intnet.mu.com - 21 points raeplus@s-direktnet.de - 20 pts YHSAIO@aol.com - 14 pts. richa5011@aol.com - 11 points KHgold@wman.com - 10 pts. jjrule@idirect.com - 10 pts. ColinTroup@compuserve.com 10 pts. brianselzer@bc.sympatico.ca - 9 pts. tbbullock@thegrid.net - 9pts. technoinfidel@webtv.net - 8 pts. jmalondon@home.com - 8 pts. minadmiral@aol.com - 7 pts. Geoff-smith@cwcom.net - 7 pts. john.sutherland@amcom.co.nz - 6pts. Christopher.Herron@PSS.Boeing.com - 5pt. chuck1155@earthlink.net - 4 pts. cjmhughes@btinternet.com - 4pts. jdcorley@earthlink.net - 4pts. johnsnyder@macnexus.org - 4pts. volker.haeuser@main-rheiner.de - 4pts. jefcat@msn.com - 4pts. jecham3981@aol.com - 4pts. romoh@singular.gr - 4pts. jpb@skynet.be - 3pts. spallen@wavecomputers.net - 2pts. jowfx@cs.com - 2pts. THenrys@aol.com - 2pts. mike.leonard@erols.com - 1pt. jaci@Lehigh.edu - 1 pt. Number 9, number 9, number 9....(for you Beatles fans)...this is a potential 8 point question. The following vessels all share a common thread. I have one answer in particular, so saying they all carried 20mm guns, or they all floated, will not suffice. DD-411 DD-386 DD-387 DD-744 DD-92 AP-25 DDG-10 ID-2999 What is the common thread shared by all of these vessels? (2 points) Bonus: Name 4 vessels not listed here that share the same thread as those listed above (1 point each, 4 pts. max.) Bonus #2: From this thread, what name has been carried on the most USN vessels? (2 pts.) Good Luck! Responses to: mailto:jherne@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume