Subject: SMML14/10/99VOL698 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:00:31 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USS Honolulu and Savannah 2: Heller Adm Scheer 3: RUSSIAN NAVY PENDANT NUMBERS 4: Keith Butterley 5: Re: Russian Krivak names/pennants 6: 1/720 Nimitz Class Carrier 7: Re: IPMS UK Nats visitors 8: Kirov 1:700 9: Scale Hose/Cable 10: Re: Signal Flags 11: Re: Buckley Class APD 12: My Ship Trip 13: Minesweeper? 14: Book on HMS Exeter 1942... No Surrender!? 15: 1/600 Iron Duke correction. 16: Re: USS Northampton CA26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: German Sub Books w COLOR pics 4 Sale! 2: October '99 issue of NavisMagazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Timothy Dike Subject: Re: USS Honolulu and Savannah >> http://www.navsource.org/Archives/CA/cl48.htm << >> Been there, as well as Hyperwar, USS Salem, etc, but I haven't been able to find too many pics of the Honolulu c.1943-44. Most of those available on the web that I've found have been pre-war shots. << Have you checked Friedmans book "US Cruisers an Illustrated Design History" It has a few pictures of the Honolulu. You might also order a set of plans from the Floating drydock. I have the set for the Helena and Honolulu in 1/192 and the 1/96 set for the Nashville, these are a must have if you are doing any of these ships. Also there are plans for USS BROOKLYN in 1945, USS PHILADELPHIA in 1944, USS SAVANNAH in 1945. I'll dig around and see if I have any other photo sources. >> Corsair Armada did a 1/700 USS Honolulu (Phoenix) in her 41-42 trim, and the former Jim Shirley Productions did the Honolulu in her 43 trim. << >> The question is, are either of these still available? ..... << I bought one of each about 6 months ago from Bill Gruner at Pacific Front Hobbies, give him a call he should at least still have the Corsair Armada Honolulu kit, The JS kits is out of production as JS is no longer in the ship business, but you might still be able to find one. Out of the two kits the Corsair Armada kit is superior, being more cleanly cast and with much better instructions. As much as I like the CA kit I would have to say that the JS kit might be closer to what you want, as it already has the right bridge. However be warned that my kit required a lot of rework fix some casting problems. >> CWs 1/700 Helena is another on my "gotta get" list - in part as practice for working on the 1/350th scale kits, and in part for a project I've had in mind for a number of years now. A 1/700 Honolulu would also be a nice addition to the fleet. << The Classic Warships Helena is a great kit, I'm adding PE to mine now and hope to have some photo's soon. Though I don't build 1/350 (yet!?!) I'm going to make an exception for the CW Helena kit for a friend who's father severed aboard her. If you are going to do the USS SAVANNAH CL42 get the plan set #G-CL42 1/192 as mentioned above it depicts her in 6/45. You will need them because you are going to be doing a lot of fabrication. mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: Heller Adm Scheer Hello- I just purchased a Heller Adm Scheer in 1:400. Does anyone have any recommendations or warnings before I start this kit? Thanks, Sean D. Hert Webmeister, MBG Site: http://www.netwalk.com/~popev/bg/ "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" -Napoleon Buonapart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Dave Baker Subject: RUSSIAN NAVY PENDANT NUMBERS While Soviet Navy pendant numbers used to be changed fairly frequently, usually all at once, but also when a ship transitted to a different fleet, the Russian Navy has made far fewer changes since 1991. Since the numbers really are traditional tactical pendant numbers (rather than permanent hull numbers, as in the USN), I've not carried them in COMBAT FLEETS. The latest edition of JANE'S FIGHTING SHIPS (1999-2000), however, makes a stab at giving the pendants and, for the most part, I agree with what Capt Sharpe has printed. For auxiliaries, of course, which use alphanumeric "names" (like KIL-33 or PKSL-16), the numbers rarely changed and then usually only if the ship changed function (submarine tenders and some other fleet support units were an exception, for they were considered to be part of the combat fleet rather than units of the auxiliary service. Anyway, much as it pains me to mention the high-priced naval reference, JFS has the info needed on Krivak pendants--if you are dealing with the 1990s. Prior to that, you'll need a security clearance and access to the files of your local naval intelligence agency . . . Best/Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Keith Butterley Hello Keith, >> Word has reached me of a fellow SMMLie doing very well at the IPMS Vancouver Fall Show, scoring a 2nd & 3rd place with his 1/700 HMS Onlsow & HMS Pakenham from the Skywave/Tamiya kit. So stand up & take a bow Keith Butterley for a job well done. << INDEED! WE did well there didn't WE mate...? :-)) sweated blood. Now Keith has mastered the gentle art of weathering and 'rusting' , all we fellow SMMLies expect a FIRST next year....understand!!! All bravado aside, it's a hearty congratulations to a man who is as versatile with a plank of wood and a hammer as he is with the craft knife......not to mention the vacuum cleaner...eh Keith??? Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo......(Te Reo Maori) Ummmm, do we really want to know about the vacumm cleaner, you betcha ;->>. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Russian Krivak names/pennants Hi Darren Like Shane told to you, modern russian warships change of name and numbers with high frequency. For Krivak I and II it is easy to find pictures of ship's with name and identification numbers at same time. I believe that there isn't any kind of book specific about this class but if you have the opportunity look in the "Warships of the USSR and Russia 1945-1995" A. S. Pavlov or in a modern Jane's identification book, to get some pretty and useful pictures or a complete list of the Krivak's names. Search the Websites: http://members.aol.com/HughPriest/rusgall.html http://www.invet.obninsk.ru/nether/navy/ Good Luck Happy Modeling Filipe Ramires Portugal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Timothy J. Barron" Subject: 1/720 Nimitz Class Carrier Within the next month, I am planning on starting a 1/720 Nimitz Class Carrier, such as an Itarli kit. I would like to communicate with anyone who has taken on superdetailing a similar 1/720-700 model of a Nimitz carrier. It seems that no one makes a super-detailed Nimitz carrier, such as Skywave does with other ships (Spruance, Ticonderoge, Burke). So I plan on superdetailing and heavily modifying the kit, such as a hanger deck, photoetching, etc. For the planes, I have already purchased two kits of 1/700 Skywave US Navy Carrier planes, which are very detailed include landing gear and external fuel tanks. I would greatly apprecaite learning from anyone else's experience. \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) ------- oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------- Timothy J. Barron mailto:tjbarro@worldnet.att.net http://www.geocities.com/tjbarro -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Tim Perry" Subject: Re: IPMS UK Nats visitors Hi all, If we are going to the Nats, or any other show come to that, can't we have a badge that says 'Talk to me, I am a SMMLie' or something similar? It cannot be any worse than walking around dressed up like some Roman Legionary, or Confederate infantryman, can it? I've seen both, and others, usually wearing digital watches.... Still, judge not least ye be judged, I suppose! I will be at Telford, hopefully with a Stereolithographic 1:350 LCI hull in my pocket. Tim Perry Bristol, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: hans bosma Subject: Kirov 1:700 Hi all, I heard a rumour that there is a model of the russian battlecruiser "Kirov" from HP models in Germany. Besides this one there should be a US firm issuing a model of the same ship. Can anybody tell me something about the quality of these releases.? A couple of years ago I bought some HP models and that did not make me happy at all so I am very curious to learn if things changed for the better. Friendly greetings Hans Bosma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ophelia Subject: Scale Hose/Cable Hello Everyone; I need some more help. I'd like to wrap some 'realistic' hose/cable into 350 scale reels (a GMM set), question is what can I use? Also, generally how was the hose hooked up to a ship, in this case it is the Bismarck, I haven't seen it done on a WWII ship I can remember. Any help would be appreciated very much. Mark. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Lundrigan, Patrick" Subject: Re: Signal Flags >> sea but there is a picture of the Yorktown at Midway with the US flag flying over the superstructure that is gigantic. << IIRC this was in-between the 2 Japanese air attacks. The captain wanted to boost morale once the boilers were relit and the ship was underway. Described in _Incredible Victory_. Pat Lundrigan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Buckley Class APD Derek: You're thinking of the Classic Warships APD. You'll probably also want to purchase Floating Drydock's "Destroyer Escorts of World War II" and Squadron's "Destroyer Escorts in action." Both have outstanding views of various askpects of several APDs. In Friedman's "U.S. Destroyers." Weiss is mentioned specifically on page 290. It says that under FRAM II, the cargo boom was eliminated, it carried a tripod mast and had an enlarged command space forward. My father-in-law served on APD 124, the Horace A. Bass. They just had a Reunion in San Diego two weeks ago. You should try and find the Weiss' group, contact them and get the information you need. Marc Flake Tarrant County, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: My Ship Trip Hello Mates, We've returned from our vacation in England and while tired and still on GMT, I am all fired up about ship modeling and museums all over again. If I may, I would like to share some of my observations. I have been aboard many museum ships in the US but with the exception of Constitution and possibly USS Barry in the Washington Navy Yard, we have a lot of catching up to do on ship preservation and presentation. The first ship I visited was HMS Belfast in London. What a magnificent vessel. She looks as though she was fresh from the builders instead of nearly sixty years old. A worthwhile visit at twice the price. She is presented in her WW2 appearence. Everything is clean and neat. Many scenes of day to day shipboard life are depicted throughout the ship using properly dressed manniquins. I loved the operations compartment with a sound and light show telling the story of the battle of North Cape. The staff was friendly and extremly knowledgable regarding the ship. A first class operation. Next stop was Imperial War Museum. Terrific place with those two 15" naval rifles out front. Very few ship models but very well done exhibits of war at sea. Stunning model of Hood on display. Another first rate experience. In London the absolute best display of ship models that I found, is in the Science Museum. About 50 large scale models of all types. including a number of wonderful pre-dreadnaughts. I couldn't find a guide book on the model collection there, any English smmlies know of one? The Maritime Museum in Greenwich is a remarkble place. There are not a lot of Models but there are some wonderful dioramas and a number of sailing navy models that must be seen to be appreciated. One note, they have what I consider to be on of the finest warship models I have ever seen,the Brazilian dreadnaught Minas Gerais. The closest comparison I can make is the USS Missouri in 1/48 at the US Navy Museum and that falls somewhat short. Outside the Maritime museum on the river bank is Cutty Sark, a truly beautiful ship lovingly restored and maintained. She is in a drydock and you can board her for tours. Well worth the time and expense. I also stopped at Maritime Models on Nelson Road. I could have spent several hours there just talking to them but alas I had my better half with me and needed to go along with her to the local crafters fair. She had the checkbook anyway. Portsmouth is 90 minutes away by train from Waterloo station. Upon walking out of the Portsmouth Harbor station you are confronted with a panoramic view that takes your breath away. Directly in front of you about 200 yards away is HMS Warrior. Beyond her is Historic Portsmouth Dockyard which is a major active naval facility. Adjacent to Warrior this day was Iron Duke, a modern Frigate. Beyond that the masts of HMS Victory towers over the yard. This is a very busy place. First I saw three large ferries heading out. Over the next hour several destroyers, frigates and patrol craft of about every NATO navy came into the harbour. They must have come in for a weekend port visit. What a sight. No troble deciding what shade of grey is correct here, they were every shade imaginable. I'm lucky they sell film at the gift shops! HMS Warrior was the RN's first all iron battleship, and the last (so they say). Built in response to France's Glorie (spelling?) in 1860. The trust that purchased her hulk and restored her has got to be the greatest fund raising organization in existence. This ship is by far the most beautiful vessel I have laid eyes on. She is imacculate inside and out. She is fully accessable by the public from main deck to engine room. Her restoration is so complete that all the rifle and pistol racks are full of arms and all the 68 lbr muzzle loaders and 110 lbr breachloading cannon are all in place with all shells and powder bags. The replica of her engine is magnificent and actually turns over at 2 1/2 rpm. If you only visit one museum ship in England make it Warrior, you will not be disappointed. Through the entrance to the dockyard on your left is the Royal Navy Museum. A very good collection of ship models of all eras is nicely laid out amid a wonderful collection of historical artifacts. Lastly you come upon the drydocks where HMS Victory is located. Here is a ship I could look at all day. The defining example of England's "wooden walls". Just knowing her history and building two models of her didn't prepare me for the sense of awe I felt. I could close my eyes and almost hear Nelson calling for Hardy to hoist that immortal signal at Trafalger. It sent shivers up my back. Walking around Victory I stumbled upon a delightful surprise. In a small dock behind her was one of two remaining RN ships from the first world war, the monitor M33. Saw action at Gallipoli and in the White Russians in 1919. She is being restored and someday will join the museum fleet. I saw and did so much in 8 days that I cannot begin to tell all here, And there is so much more that I didn't see. Well, I'll just have to go back someday. My hat is off to those engishmen who fought to save what ships they have. Like those historic vessels lost on our side of the "pond" they too faced an uphill struggle to convince others that something needs to preserved so future generations will understand what our maritime and naval history means to the them. And what better way than to let them walk the decks of the ships that their fore fathers walked. I've gone on much too long here, but, please let me close this by saying, please support your museum ships and the organizations that preserve them. This is a part of history that was so hard to save and is an ongoing struggle to just keep as it is. It can slip away altogether so easily. John Frohock US Naval Shipbuilding Museum USS Salem Model Dept. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Minesweeper? Hi mates, No, not another rambling travelouge, this is on topic, really. Anybody know of any kits ever being available for a YMS or a BYMS? John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Book on HMS Exeter 1942... No Surrender!? Folks: Some time ago (but not too long ago!) someone posted a message (perhaps was it Dan Jones?) about a book they had recently acquired concerning the HMS Exeter by a former member of her crew, that bore the title, if I recall correctly, "No Surrender"... or something to that effect. If it was you, Dan, or if anyone else out there has the book, could you please contact me, as I have a question about the photos therein. Thanks so much! Yours truly, Mike Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: 1/600 Iron Duke correction. I told you that the Iron Duke built by Felix Bustelo was a GMM set. No it's a WEM PE 611 thanks Caroline for guiding me. To see this magnificent model ship goto "British Battleships" page at: http://www.modelshipbuilding.com Shaya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Re: USS Northampton CA26 Hi Everybody, I'm thinking about ordering Blue Water Navy's 1/350 USS Northampton. Can anybody who's built this kit tell me a little about it? The picture on the Model Expo home page shows it with 2 scout planes that look like SOC Seagulls. They are painted white, or light grey, which places this model in the pre-war years. Are there parts or instructions to make this model a later version of CA26? Also, how are the resin castings? I hear BWN castings are flawless, and require minimal, if any cleaning. Does the resin need any prep, other than a cleaning? How about quality of the PEB? Do the pewter parts need muych clean-up? Lastly, Model Expo lists this kit for $179.99. Are there any other vendors that sell this for less? If anyody wants to email me directly, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: German Sub Books w COLOR pics 4 Sale! Hi Fellow Smellies! I am selling two duplicate books on German Submarines from my archive. One on the type VII the other on the XXI. They are both German language books with outstanding photo coverage. The type 7 book is extraordinary as it has dozens of original wartime COLOR photos, interior and exterior. I have not seen these published in any other books. There is also one color shot of Bismarck in this book (has the camo scheme with GREY turret tops). I don't know what the market price is, so I put them out for $1. each on eBay. Check 'em out! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181348316 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181340514 Satisfaction guaranteed Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: October '99 issue of NavisMagazine http://www.navismagazine.com The FIRST and LARGEST scale model e-zine in the world IN THE OCTOBER 1999 ISSUE (available 10/15) FEATURES: - THE GUADALCANALCAMPAIGN - PART VIII (Battle of Tassafaronga) - YUSHUKAN - MODELS AND ARTIFACTS OF THE YASUKUNI SHRINE - SHIP WALKAROUND: KYNDA CLASS MISSILE CRUISER - AIRCRAFT WALKAROUND: FORD 5-AT TRIMOTOR - BUILDING A 1/700 KING GEORGE V (FULL-HULL) - BUILDING A 1/48 MESSERSCHMITT BF 109K-4 - BUILDING A 1/2400 NAVAL BATTLE OF GUADALCANAL DIORAMA - BUILDING A 1/48 HEINKEL HE 51B-1 - BUILDING PT-41 IN 1/96 - BUILDING A 1/72 MESSERSCHMITT BF 109V-1 (FIRST PROTOTYPE) - BUILDING A 1/700 PEGASUS-CLASS PATROL HYDROFOIL - BUILDING A 1/72 REPUBLIC F-84G THUNDERJET COLUMNS: - MODEL SHOWCASE: AIRCRAFT: 1/32 F-5E 1/48 WESTLAND WHIRLWIND 1/48 TBD DEVASTATOR 1/72 F2H-4 SHIPS: 1/450 IJN AKAGI 1/72 VOSPER M.T.B. 1/200 RMS TITANIC 1/35 PIBBER II - MODELER PROFILE: DAVID MERRIMAN - TASK FORCES: First raid of the Fast Carrier Task Force - PHOTO HISTORY (air): Battle of Britain in Color - PHOTO HISTORY (ships): Royal Navy's "Black Swans" - VIRTUAL PLACES: Warbirds 2.7 - ON THE MARKET (dozens of new product reviews) - NEWS FROM THE KIT INDUSTRY (the rumor mill...) - NAVAL RECONNAISSANCE - News from the seven seas - NEW BOOKS - LETTERS - BULLETIN BOARD WIN GREAT PRIZES WITH OUR GAMES: - THE MYSTERY PHOTO (SHIPS) - 1/700 Shinano (new kit) from Tamiya - THE MYSTERY PHOTO (AIRCRAFT) - 1/48 Junkers Ju 52 detail set from Eduard - TRIVIA QUIZ - 1/450 Naval Ship detail set from GMM Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume