Subject SMML20/10/99VOL704 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:54:04 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: HMS Polyphemus 2: Re: Fine Thread and Wire 3: Ticonderoga Class FRAM? 4: Re: USS California 5: Re: HMAS Perth 6: Brass for Rigging 7: Old movie with CMBs 8: Re: Lead corrosion 9: Re: Two piece hulls 10: Re: cheap tool sources 11: Documentation help - "The Story of the U-505" 12: Damage to Spruance-Class Destroyer 13: destroyer esscort 14: Re: Aoshima Tone & stuff 15: Re: Aoshima Fuyuzuki 16: Re: Most named USN ships and Catawampus 17: S.M.S. 18: Onslow gun footplate colour 19: Jeff Herne's trivia contest -- even more trivia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Replacement 1/350 hull decals 2: Request for info YMS, BYMS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: HMS Polyphemus Well, David, seems you will have to spend your money. The article in MS70 on HMS Polyphemus is indeed about the turret ram ship. The article by John Hollis describes haw he built his 1/60th fully working RC model of her. Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: sinkanka@usit.net (Ann G. Sinkankas) Subject: Fine Thread and Wire For fine thread and wire of several sorts, keep the fly fishermen (fisherpeople on campus) in mind. Find a sporting goods shop that carries fly-tying materials and look over their stock. Lots of it is quite inexpensive. I saw a spool of very fine copper wire about two weeks ago at the outfitters store in Townsend, Tennessee that was priced at US$1.00 for what looked like fifty feet or so. Regards, George M. Sinkankas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Ticonderoga Class FRAM? Hi fellow SMMLies-- I was hoping one of you insider/informed types who are on board SMML might know what is going on with the USS Cowpens, CG-63. She is currently "in the yards" down in San Diego and some MAJOR overhaul or conversion is going on, which according to one outside source has her "torn apart down to the bulkheads". After this completes, reportedly around June, she is scheduled to go to Japan and be "parked" there for some reason. COMNAVSURFPAC is understandably mum on the subject. Anybody know what's going on with the Ticonderoga class CG's? Are they undergoing a FRAM of some sort that hasn't been announced? Thanks in advance-- Tom, in Rocklin CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: USS California For those interested in this battleship, there is a magnificent 1/48 scale model locating at the Maritime Museum near Aquatic Park in San Francisco. The model reflects her initial fit, with cage masts and extensive small boat compliment. In the same room is a nice 1/48 model of the original Oregon as well. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: HMAS Perth >> Perth will be given to the Western Australia government where she is expected to become a dive wreck. << Hello everyone I think that these are great terrible news. I believe that 34 years of intense and honorable service should be well preserved. Unfortunately we can't preserve all the glorious ships that were built in the World or there wouldn't be sea enougth for all of them. HMAS Perth was the first Royal Australian Ship that I saw in my all life (I was +/-10 years old and I find it on a hand-book named "Destroyers") and it was that book and its ships that "illuminate" me for the naval modelisme. My compliments to all of you who apreciate the ship and the R.A.N. Filipe Costa Ramires PORTUGAL Hi Filipe, I couldn't agree more. But at least a dive wreck is better than razors. I think the RAN will be giving a DDG over to the Maritime Museum in Darling Harbour. The ship that seems to be mentioned in this regard is HMAS Brisbane DDG-41 - "The Steel Cat". But I'm not sure, if or when this will happen. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Sheridan Subject: Brass for Rigging >> A while ago someone suggested using very thin brass like .008 or .006 for rigging (and wires and cables), has anyone here actually tried this? << Yup. I have tried this on several 1/350th warships with great success. I used .006 and .008 brass wire (detail associates) as rigging. See for yourself at: http://www.warship.simplenet.com/Salem%20Sheridan.htm John Sheridan What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: d gregory Subject: Old movie with CMBs I just bought the movie "Today We Live", made in the early 30's with Gary Cooper and Joan Crawford. If you can endure the sappy mushy stuff, there are two GREAT scenes of a British 40' CMB WW1 motor torpedo boat, which is crewed by a young Robert Montgomery. I have never seen any film of the early stern launch torpedoes. While not quite a "PT 109" or a "They Were Expendable," I'll take whatever I can get for movies about coastals. Dave Gregory The PT Dockyard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Gene Larson Subject: Re: Lead corrosion Sorry to pick up on this late, but I have been out of town. There are two articles on the NRG web site about lead corrosion in ship model fittings. One is by the Curator of Models for the US Navy, Dana Wegner. Please go look at them. Then don't use lead. Even some Britannia "lead free" materials actually have lead in them. Look for R-8. It doesn't. Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Two piece hulls I don't get it. I've built several Classic Warship models with two piece hulls. I agree, the fit isn't perfect, but it's no big deals to fill and sand the seams. The larger gaps I fill with extra thick super glue and spray on an accelerator. The glue is still pretty soft and is easily sanded smooth with 100 grit sandpaper. The last of the gaps are filled with good ol putty put on pretty thick. Once the putty has dried over night, I use 100 grit sandpaper to smooth the putty and finish up with 400 wet dry. By the way, the reason that two piece hulls result in a less than perfect fit is because of their size. Not because they are big (they are) but because they are different sizes. The hull and superstructure, being much larger and heavier, cure at different rates. So the shrinkage is different. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Re: cheap tool sources You have finally revealed my secret. I've been borrowing fly tying tools from my tackle box for years. There is a tool I'm particularly fond of called "hackle pliers". They are small spring loaded pliers with jaws ranging from plier size right down to a millimeter wide. These are designed to hold feathers while you wind them on the hook. They have soft hold jaws that are perfect for clamping P/E together, holding rigging in place, and are a nice, small "Third Hand". Range in price from 5 -15 bucks. I also get cheap tools from the farm supply catalogs. They sell veterinary tools real cheap.(Haemostats, scalpels and blades, dental scalers, and non-hyperdermic syringes). Rusty, be careful gluing the tippet material. Check to see that it's flourocarbon based otherwise any adhesive (but white glue) will eat it up. The tippets made from polyester or nylon might not respond well to glue. It will, however, shrink when gently heated so the hot-pin-rigging-tightening-trick will work. Happy fishing, Doc Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Documentation help - "The Story of the U-505" Help please. A buddy is mulling over starting a diorama of the capture of the U-505 by the USS Guadalcanal and her task group. (Hey, another potential convert to the ship modeling fraternity!). I discovered that my photocopy of the booklet by the Museum of Science & Technology, Chicago titled "The Story of the U-505" is missing pages 6 and 7. Does anyone have a copy of this booklet and could make a copy of the missing pages for me. Please contact me off-list at efgrune@flash.net Thanks Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Timothy J. Barron" Subject: Damage to Spruance-Class Destroyer Anyone interested in seeing extensive collision damage to a Spruance class destroyer will want to take a peek here: http://www.gnt.net/~wright/radford.html \\\|/// \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) ------- oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------- Timothy J. Barron mailto:tjbarro@worldnet.att.net http://www.geocities.com/tjbarro -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: MOTRAIN@aol.com Subject: destroyer esscort Hi I have been searching for model of a ww II destroyer escort burkley class, there was a uss wiseman named after a pilot killed in the battle of midway flying a SBD during the second attack on the Japanese carriers, wiseman is a direct relative of my brother-law also named wisman. I would like to put it together for him as a gift. Any help would be grateful. motrain Hi gang, Please reply offlist as "motrain" is not yet a subscriber, as far as I can tell. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: Aoshima Tone & stuff If you're interested, there was a pretty good review on the Aoshima Tone in navismagazine, back in late '98, I think. Chris and Doug have it exactly right on the superiority of the new Tone kit. Commentary on another site states that the Amagi is a retooled Unryu. I sure hope not, though any improvement is better than none. The Unryu/Katsuragi kits rank up there with the rest of Aoshima's disappointing "first editions". If the cover of the Model Art Oct.'99 (#10) is any indicator, that may be the issue in which the story broke. The Fuyuzuki is issued as a late war fit Akizuki. Key differences are the mainmast, radars, and AA fit, especially the gun tubs. The hull is beautifully rendered. HLJ is also listing Aoshima issues of the Hatsuzuki and the Suzutzuki for 10/99. I would think this pair is also split between early and late war fits. It seems unusual for a mfg. to issue six kits of the same type (Akizuki, Teruzuki, Fuyuzuki, Yoizuki, Hatsuzuki, Suzutzuki), not that it isn't welcome. Dan Kaplan, NYC (where the Yankees are in and the Mets just clawed back 3 runs) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Michael Quan" Subject: Re: Aoshima Fuyuzuki Douglas Martin inquired: >> Does anyone know if the Aoshima Fuyuzuki have a late war A/A fit? << Douglas, the four sister ships of the Akizuki class released by Aoshima all have differences between them. Akizuki portrays the class as originally built with 2x2-25 mm AA armament. Teruzuki is configured with 3x3-25 mm AA guns. Both Yoizuki and Fuyuzuki have 5x3-25 mm AA guns, differing only in that Yoizuki has the late war radar outfit of type 22 and type 23 antennas, as opposed to a "mattress-type" antenna on the foremast of the Fuyuzuki. cheers, Mike Quan Republic of Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Mark Knowlton Subject: Re: Most named USN ships and Catawampus >> Bonus #2: From this thread, what name has been carried on the most USN vessels? (2 pts.) That would be the USS Bagley, whose name has been carried on 5 USN vessels. << Jeff, I hate to dispute but the name Cushing has been used 5 times as well. TB-1, DD-55, DD-376, DD-797, and DD-985. And to answer the question about the Catawampus at Orangecon, that great looking ship was built by Doug Bauer, another ship modeler from San Diego and member of this list. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: S.M.S. >> We all know what HMS, RMS, DKM, etc. stand for. The one I've yet to work out is SMS. Any suggestions? << S.M.S. stands for "Seiner Majestaet Schiff" which means His Majesty's Ship. It was the prefix to the name of warships of the German Imperial Navy up to 1918 and the Austro-Hungarian Imperial and Royal Navy. BTW: DKM was not a prefix of the German Kriegsmarine (if someone should think so) but is nothing more than a widely used abbrevation. German navies after 1918 didn't use prefixes to the ship's name. But some other navies did. At the moment I can remeber: UK - H.M.S. Australia - H.M.A.S. Canada - H.M.C.S. New Zealand - H.M.N.Z.S. USA - U.S.S. Netherlands - Hr.Ms. Poland - O.R.P. (Okret Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej = warship of the Polish Republic) Denmark - H.D.M.S. Portugal - N.R.P. (Navio da Republica Portuguesa = ship of the Portugese Republic) Roumania - N.M.S. (Nava Majestatii Sale) Peru - B.A.P. Who can fill the gaps? Falk Pletscher Hi Falk, So I suppose based on your above comments that KMS is also not a proper prefix. Damm, now I'll have to amend my shiplist :-(. Also: Italy - R.N Japan - IJN Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Shane Subject: Onslow gun footplate colour Hi, Am about to add the PE footplate replacment on the Onslow. Which colour should it be: Semtex(Dk Green in this case) or 507B? Or is it in fact another colour?? Shane - about do batle with some PE Pom-poms -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Jeff Herne's trivia contest -- even more trivia. >> Bonus #2: From this thread, what name has been carried on the most USN vessels? (2 pts.) That would be the USS Bagley, whose name has been carried on 5 USN vessels. << Information learned while researching the USS Winslow torpedo boat by Lone Star Models. Ensign Worth Bagley was the only US naval officer killed in combat during the Spanish-American war. (note ... in combat ... many others died of diseases) Ensign Bagley was mortally injured on the USS Winslow at Cardenas, Cuba. Ensign Bagley repeatedly exposed himself to gunfire as he ran from the wheelhouse to the engine room hatch, passing maneuvering orders to the engineers. The rudder controls on the Winslow had been damaged by gunfire. For his actions, Ensign Bagley was "mentioned in dispatches". Three enlisted men on the Winslow received the Congressional Medal of Honor for their actions in saving the ship from capture/destruction. At the time of the Spanish American war, officers were not awarded the CMOH. Reforms had been made following the US Civil War when the CMOH was widely awarded. An entire regiment, from Michigan [?], was awarded the medal for re-enlisting. While Ensign Bagley deserves the CMOH recognition, the Navy has honored his heroism. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: Replacement 1/350 hull decals I'm very sorry about your damaged decals and your waterlogged situation. We're having something similar happen (cracked water drainpipe in the basement, now awaiting the plumber) so our sympathies are with you. Gold Medal Models makes 1/350 scale Naval Ship Decals (GMM No. 350-1D @ $8 plus $1 postage) which provide many shaded numbers for hulls plus many other useful markings. Order direct from Gold Medal Models, 1412 Fisherman Bay Road, Lopez, WA 98261 USA. Good luck! Loren Perry/GMM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor Baca" Subject: Request for info YMS, BYMS I am almost certain that somewhere in the bowels of my ship model storage locker there is one each of a Heller 1/400th scale YMS as well as an AMC (MDAP) plastic kit. I will be going that way today and will check the stash to see if memory serves as well as it used to. Photomarine Archives has just received plans in 1/48th scale for the YMS-1 class and we can reduce them for customers in any scale using the new Xerox blueprint machine at our local blueprinter's shop. We are toll-free at: 877-371-0290 or via email at victorbaca@excite.com. Also have plans for the AMC class of minesweepers and the MSOs as well, all 1/48th scale. You might also check with the Floating Drydock http://floatingdrydock.com their latest catalog #26 lists several minesweepers, including the YMS. I am personally very interested in all types of small naval craft, if it's got a "Y" in it's name, my ears perk up! Good luck in your search, Victor Baca Photomarine Archives -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume