Subject SMML25/10/99VOL709 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:36:28 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Fletcher/Sumner 2: Submarines 3: Re: Model Expo RN Paints 4: Re: Fletcher/Sumner 5: Re: Highlighting and making portholes 6: Re: Snyder and Short suggestion 7: Re: Porthole Recovery 8: Re: Fletcher/Sumner Class 9: Re: Model Expo Paints 10: Paints or paint chips? 11: APD Ward 12: Angled Essexes 13: Ventilators 14: Re: USS Manchester box art 15: Re: Trivia - Radar 16: Re: USS HONOLULU Photos 17: Re: Ticonderoga Photography 18: Lindberg Manchester 19: Paper Ship Models 20: Re: Fletcher/Sumner Class 21: Re: Portholes 22: USS Hilary P Jones DD-427 23: Type XXI U-boot colours 24: PC 461 References 25: Latest FSM 26: Blue Water Navy kits 27: Fletcher/Sumner Class 28: Marine Model Company, Inc. 29: Re: APD jungle camoflage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USN Commissioning pamphlets 2: IPMS(USA) - USS Hornet chapter launching 3: BOOKS FOR SALE 4: Trivia Round 2 #1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Fletcher/Sumner Hi Concerning the question about the Fletcher/Sumner. The Sumner was an improved Fletcher using the same sized hull. 376ft. Even though the two classes looked totally different on the outside. John. There is a good 1/700 Th. scale kit of the Fletcher by SKYWAVE. It's as the USS CALLAGHAN DD-793 and get different bridges, decals and a choice of camouflage scheme. Funny you should mention the Lindberg Cleveland class cruiser, back in 1985 I did an article with that kit and the Revell reissue of the RENEWAL kit in Model Ship Builder #38 called the ninth day twin ships. It showed an early war version Lindberg and a late war version Revell. Completed with a list of the entire class fate. Sincerely, Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Submarines Hi Mac P614 and P615 were unnamed and originally being built for the Turkish Navy. They and 2 others were requisitioned by the RN at the outbreak of WW2. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Model Expo RN Paints >> We hope that modelers will continue to buy our chip sets. Remember, they will ALWAYS provide accuracy, and will not be subject to the vagaries of changes in paint batches, or to the discontinuance or changing of paint lines by manufacturers, and will allow the modeler to mix and match using one's favorite brand or type of paint (personally, I don't care for crylics). Remember who did the research by which others are profiting. << John, Don't go rolling over and sinking just yet. I for one will continue to purchase your paint chip sets. I am glad to see a line of the paints come out from a manufacturer, because due to a color defeciency, I am lousy at trying to mix paint. However, I have not forgotten the debacle with Testors jerking around the Floquil and Polly Scale lines, so I still view an accurate set of color chips as essential, regardless of whether or not the colors are currently commercially available. And besides, the Model Expo paints will undoubtedly be available mail order only, and not stocked at the local hobby shop. I don't see myself as working up a fairly large order to justify the shipping costs just to acquire a few bottles of paint. Now granted, the initial stocking order, getting a couple of bottles of every color just to have them on hand, is another story. But I still view your paint chip sets as an essential part of the reference library. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Fletcher/Sumner >> It was the USS Ross DD 563. a Fletcher/Sumner class. (I've heard of a Gearing/Sumner but never a Fletcher/Sumner ???) << There is no such animal as a FLETCHER/SUMNER class, just as there is no SUMNER/GEARING class. These are three distinct classes of destroyers - FLETCHER, SUMNER, & GEARING. The latter are often lumped together as they share many common traits, but they are not the same class. ROSS (DD 563) was a square-bridge FLETCHER. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Highlighting and making portholes >> Is there any way to highlight these features (port holes) so I don't get lost in the process? << I use a 2.0 resivour pen to add portholes and highlight existing ones. I have white and black ink that I mix together to an "in scale" black. Since the pen's tip is round it takes nothing more than a touch of the pen and viola, a perfectly round porthole. Since the ink is water soluble, mistakes can be easily cleaned up with a damp Q-tip. Hope that helps. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://warship.simplenet.com/Flagship.htm "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Snyder and Short suggestion I know this easy to suggest, but I wish Snyder and Short would produce a line of paints to match their paint chips. They already have the mixture proportions so it would be pretty easy to produce a line of marine colors. How about it John? Everyone in SMML land, lets hear from you. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://warship.simplenet.com/Flagship.htm "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Porthole Recovery You'll likely get a bunch of answers, to which I'll add mine. Give the hull a thin wash of water-based black paint. It will settle in and mark those portholes nicely, and you can then see what you want to drill. John Snyder Snyder and Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Fletcher/Sumner Class You're right, you've never heard of a FLETCHER/SUMNER because there was no such beast. USS ROSS was a FLETCHER class DD, with the late square bridge. According to Jeff Herne's book, she wore Measure 32/6d camouflage. There's lots of reference materials out there (get Jeff's book for starters). If you want the ship's history, e-mail me off-line with your snail-mail address and I'll send you a xerox. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: Re: Model Expo Paints Hi John Your point is well taken as I still cant get past the urge to finger paint when confronted with acrylics (an opinion only, dont start training the 16"ers on me). For me two cents PLEASE don't reconsider continuing what you are doing. Aside from the fact that you are 100% right as regards paint variation by batches, dont forget that pigments, reducers, carriers, dryers, etc. are all supplied by different companies and most paint companies will change suppliers of these base materials based on "lowest cost". Over the course of years, the variation can be tremendous - Your chip sets help to avoid that pitfall and they are not subject to such vagaries... I can't wait for you to match the "stealth" paint the Navy is toying with so the NIS can start sending us all pizzas we didn't order and stealing our dogs at night. Or perhaps placing large model orders in our names from Viking or Roll....THAT would hurt - (right Jeff? ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Paints or paint chips? Hi John, Don't let the emergence of an RN paints set based on your excellent paint chips get you down. It was bound to happen and par for the course. What you can and do offer is accuracy and as you so correctly point out: choice. That means we can always work with the make of paint which we each have faith in. In the long term these guys aren't going to do you out of the sales you so rightly deserve. The real modeller will always search for accuracy and in the paint chips we have a source of colour information from which to work with a high degree of confidence. Roll on RN set 2!!! Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo......(Te Reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Sven E Dorsey" Subject: APD Ward I am doing a model of the Ward at Pearl on Dec 7, 1941 for a friends dad. He was on the Ward all during the war. Anyway he brought me a copy of USS Ward First Shot for reference, Very good photos before and after conversion to an APD. Book is available through ... The First Shot Naval Vets, St Paul, Minn 55117 P.O. 17235 I don't know the price however it's like a Sqd Sig In action book and I would guess price is comparable. Hope this helps. Sven E Dorsey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: DurlingK@aol.com Subject: Angled Essexes Speaking of the Revell CV-12 Hornet, if anyone's got one on their disposal list, I'll buy it! (Wonder if they'll re-issue it?!) But my main question is: can someone point me in the direction of drawings and/or descriptions of SCB-125? From a modeler's conversion viewpoint would be great. I'm particularly curious about what hull modifications were made for the angled deck. I am going to have a look at the drawings they have here at Hornet, but if something has been done for the modeler, or is easily accessible I'd appreciate a tip! Things take a while over there at the ship! ;-) Also - have there been/are there other angled Essex kits besides the old Revell? So far I can only find axial decks. Thanks vmuch Ken Durling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Ventilators Can anyone give me some insight on what happened the large ventilators that bring air into warships? In the early part of the century ships (Titanic, USS Olympic & early BBs) sported prominent tall ventilators with angled scoops. I have a feeling it has something to do with forced air, but I'm sure someone can tell me where those suckers went. I just don't see the really large grilles I would expect to have replaced them. Can anyone help me out? I'm particularly interested in what the technology and location was in WWII. I know the Essexes had intakes along the hangar deck sides that caused problems because they allowed smoke to permeate the ship durings fires (and were modified on later ships) but I'd like to know a little more. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Duane Christensen" Subject: Re: USS Manchester box art I had the Manchester kit, and the really neat part of the box art, was that the artist painted a Baltimore class heavy cruiser and just added an extra turret aft. First time I ever saw a 12 gun Baltimore! ;-) Duane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Trivia - Radar Hi, I think the first ship fitted with radar was the Kriegsmarine's Graf Spee in 1936. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "lcp9" Subject: Re: USS HONOLULU Photos Real War Photos; Box 728; Hammond Indiana 46325-0728 offers about 2 dozen photos of Honolulu, '42 -44. They have several catalogs, their US Navy catalog is $2.00. 8x 10's are $4.25+ shipping. I can scan the Honolulu listing and send it to you,assuming you can recieve the large file that would result. David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Ticonderoga Photography This is, of course, a subject near and dear to my heart. I have seen a "lot" of different policies regarding photography on serving warships. For the most part, you are allowed to take pictures of anything on the outside of the ship, but often interior photography is prohibited. Yet, even this is spottily enforced - when I attended the commissioning of the Grace Hopper they allowed pictures inside the CIC - shame I didn't have a fast enough film for decent shots. Oddly, the part about better access in Germany has been my experience as well. I have two buddies which are semi-pro photographers who live there; they regularly get more comprehensive tours of US ships than I do. Go figure! I have to laugh when I heard that they asked the photographer not to shoot certain antennaes on the ship - they are well documented in the naval journals, being singularly hard to hide on an active ship. I have even shot SPS 49 in the shipping crate on a pier - not a big deal. Someone should have told that officer that spies are sometimes issued telephoto lenses... Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Lindberg Manchester The Lindberg CL shows up on eBay fairly often; one went for about $10 just a day or two ago. Good Luck! Steve Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Joe Costanzo Subject: Paper Ship Models I checked out the site on card modelling, and was astounded at the level of detail achievable with paper and cardboard. Some of the projects look enormously compliated (Arizona and Takao). These ships are available at a moster 1:250 scale and at only $25! 2 'Evaluation' models are available to download, a minesweeper (1943) and German torpedo boat (WWI). I'm strongly tempted to try the minesweeper. What do you guys think of these? Obviously they can't match the detail of a multimedia kit, but I'd be interested to hear your opinions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Derek "Tiger" Wakefield Subject: Re: Fletcher/Sumner Class >> My wifes uncle has asked me to build a model of the ship he served on durng the WW2. It was the USS Ross DD 563. a Fletcher/Sumner class. (I've heard of a Gearing/Sumner but never a Fletcher/Sumner ???) I would like to do this in 1/700. Does anyone make a kit of this particular class? and is there a site anyone could suggest for reference etc. (My stuff is mostly carriers) << John According to Jane's FS 54-55, the Ross was a member of the original Fletcher class authorized under the 1940-41 program. She was laid down 7 Sep 42, Launched 10 Sep 43, and Commissioned 21 Feb 44. Navsource has a couple of pics of this ship, but they look to be following her post-war refit when they landed a 5/38 and replaced her WWII AA guns with three twin 3"/70s. Beyond that, I'll have to step aside and let the tin-can experts take the podium. However, I would think a Tamiya 1/700 Fletcher should work as at least a starting point for this project. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Derek "Tiger" Wakefield Subject: Re: Portholes >> I recently received a resin kit of a British cruiser which displays a ton of portholes. I was thinking of using a very small drill to make them a wee bit more pronounced. The problem is that the portholes are barely discernable while looking at the kit in any light. Is there any way to highlight these features so I don't get lost in the process? I can't ignore them because even through paint they will barly show and the actual ship (County Class, WWII) actually had them. << Alan Just a thought here, but what about marking them with a soft lead pencil before you commence drilling? If you make a mistake, simply erase the mark before you start drilling, and once that's done, any left over marks can be erased before you paint the hull. Another option would be to lay a strip of masking tape along the length of the hull and gently burnish it so the porthole markings show through. From there, they could again be marked with a pen or pencil if they still aren't evident enough. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Derek "Tiger" Wakefield Subject: USS Hilary P Jones DD-427 There's a picture of this ship in my Jane's FS 70-71 as she appeared in the Taiwanese Navy as the Han Yang. The odd thing about this is it shows this Benson/Gleeves cl DD with a enclosed 5/38 gunhouse located in the Q position like wartime Fletchers had. Yes...this is a Benson/Gleeves cl, not a Fletcher and is listed as an ex Mayo cl ship. Suffice it to say, it's a rather interesting photo. One that's puzzled me for years. Does anyone here have a clue whether this was a mod made by the USN, or a mod made while she was in service with Taiwanese did? Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Rob Lockie" Subject: Type XXI U-boot colours Hi everyone Just recovering from a busy if enjoyable weekend at the IPMS Nats where I spent plenty cash, met a few other SMMLies (and had my mugshot taken for the website) and have acquired my first U-boot kit, a BWN 1/350 Type XXI. Without seeking to involve myself in the pro/anti-BWN thread, it does look rather decent and seems to have a full set of parts, with minimal clean-up required. Anyway, my sources on late war German subs are pretty thin and the only colour info I have comprises a statement in Squadron Signal's 'In Action' that says the late war boats were overall dark grey and the boxtop photo for the kit which shows a two-tone scheme split horizontally in the vicinity of the waterline. There may be something in 'Anstriche und Tarnanstriche.....' but I am somewhat 'linguistically challenged' when it comes to technical German so I am struggling. Can anyone offer some suggestions on colours, either Humbrol or the official names, as I understand that the colour chips in 'Anstriche und Tarnanstriche...' are fairly accurate. Must endorse the comments by the chap who saw the 1/128 HMS Somali - it was just the sort of thing to either inspire or depress, depending on how you regard your own modelling abilities. I am not saying which verb describes my reaction..... Regards Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: PC 461 References Hi Doc, The best reference on PCs is the book PC Patrol Craft of WW2 written by William Veigele. He was an officer on one during the war and it is the definitive book on this forgotten class of vessels. Besides being an excellent read and having good photos, there is a fold out plan in a sleeve glued to the back cover and an appendix showing detail drawings of various details from bow to stern drawn by an engineer who served on one. The book is reviewed under the Book Reviews page of my website International Maritime Modeling: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm There is a link to the publisher's website at the bottom of the review where you can order the book. I am using the book to build me kit. It is a good kit, but I am adding some details that are not found on the kit which required me to acquire some Gold Medal Models pe sets. We can talk off line about these. Regards, Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Latest FSM Hello all, I have just read my latest FSM issue on my commute in to work this morning and the cover story is on converting a Revell Buckley/Bligh to a Cannon Class DE (USS Thomas). It is excellent and right up my alley - making great models from classic box scale kits. Paul Kirchmeier built the model and wrote the article. In the Gallery, there is a kit build of the 1/45 scale Billings Boat kit of Cousteau's Calypso by Walter Oetzell which is beautiful too. I think that I have seen these names in the SMML, so they may be subscribers. Also, honorable mention must be made to Rusty White, who I know is an SMMLer and who has shown a different side with a photo of a Horizon 1/6 scale figure of the Penguin from Batman Returns. He has done a great job, and while figures are not my interest, Rusty's model is just down right creepy! Gentlemen, stand up and take a bow. Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Blue Water Navy kits Hello again, First of all, thanks to all who emailed me on my query about BWN's USS Northampton kit. I ended up purchasing one from Model Expo. They're great. I ordered it on Tuesday, and had it on Friday. Great service. I forgot to ask SMML about the preparation of a BWN resin kit. Is there any special cleaning necessary before painting? (Some resin scale auto parts need a cleaning in a bleach solution). Or, will a general cleaning with Fantastic/Formula 409 work? Thanks for your help. Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Fletcher/Sumner Class USS Ross was a square bridge Fletcher, nothing special about her in connection with the Sumner Class. She received a late war Emergency AA fit, included removing the forward torpedo tubes, and replacing the Mk1 40mm with Mk2 quad mounts amidships. It also more than likely included replacing the single 20mm mounts with twins. She wore Measure 32/6d. Insofar as kits are concerned, in 1/700, you'll need the Tamiya kit and the Skywave kit. Use the Tamiya hull and the Skywave deckhouse and fittings. This solves the 'chopped' hull problem found on the Skywave hulls. Use Tom's Modelwork's USN DD set #701 and his 1/700 walkway decals. I also recommend my Fletcher, Gearing and Sumner book from WR Press. Best, Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Marine Model Company, Inc. Hello all, I received this message on my webmaster account: >> Just received an old Marine model of the Slaver sold be the Marine Model Company,Inc. Halesite, Long Island New York. It was given to my grandfather many years ago. Do you know anything of the company or the Model? Thank you, Lisa Ledgerwood << I have never heard of this firm. Anybody have any info on this so I can forward it on to Ms. Ledgerwood? Thanks, Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Re: APD jungle camoflage Hi Steven, John, and whoever else cares, A couple of days ago the mailman delivered my kit of USS Lloyd (APD-63) from Iron Shipwright. In case I ever find the time to actually build this ship I would like to paint it in the small jungle pattern of measure 31/20L. For obvious reasons I was quite interested in your discussion of this point. However, the more information I gather on this subject the more confused I become as to the true look of "the small jungle pattern". My (admittedly regurgitative) sources seem to contradict each other. (1) Bruce Franklin's book, "The Buckley Class Destroyer Escorts" (p.52) shows a reproduction of a design sketch of Meas. 31/20L for the port side of an APD. Fife (!) colors for the vertical surfaces are indicated by different shades of grey or crosshatches. They are designated: GREEN1, GREEN2, GREEN3, BROWN, and DULL BLACK on the sketch. DECK GREEN is also listed, but horizontal surfaces are not visible in the sketch. Juxtaposed to the sketch is a black and white photograph dated Sep.15, 1944 of the "Lloyd" sporting Meas. 31/20L. The shapes of Lloyd's spotches duplicate the design sketch almost perfectly. Moreover, splotches of the same color in the sketch yield the same shade of grey on the photograph. Now here comes the catch: The splotches designed to be BROWN appear on the photo in exactly the same shade of grey as the GREEN2 splotches. So far other b/w photos of "Lloyd" or her sisters do not solve this three way dilemma either: option 1: NO BROWN; brown has been replaced by additional GREEN2 areas? option 2: NO GREEN2; splotches designed as green2 are painted BROWN? (Unlikely -the ship would become too brown) option 3: AS DESIGNED; both GREEN2 and BROWN just happen to look the same on b/w photos? Maybe, the design sketch is misleading. After all the assignment of colors might have been just a preliminary suggestion. This leaves breathing space for color combinations championed by other sources: (2) John Snyder posted: Four colors: GREEN1, GREEN2, GREEN3, and BROWN, no black. (3) The color rendering of a Crosley APD in "Destroyer Escorts in action" (Warships number 11, squadron/signal publications) suggests four colors: a slightly greenish tan, a grassy green, an olive green, and very dark green. (4) The color rendering of a Crosley APD in "Destroyer Escorts of World War Two" (Warship's data special, Floating drydock) is very similar to (3). Here the lightest color is a tannish green; the darkest could be black. The 4 colors might represent GREEN1,-2,-3 and DULL BLACK. Definitively none of the 4 colors is a brown. (5) The instructions for the Iron Shipwright 1/300 kit of the "Lloyd" state measure 31/20's colors are: 5-HG HAZE GREEN, 5-OG OCEAN GREEN, 5-NG NAVY GREEN, and DULL BLACK. These must be the revised greens introduced in 1943. A look at Snyder & Short's color swatches convinced me that GREEN1,-2,-3 and 5-HG,-OG,-NG respectively are very close matches to each other. For modelling purposes the two sets of colors are interchangeable. While color schemes (1, option1),(3),(4), and (5) might be identical, they are at odds with the others which are in turn incompatibel with each other. The question remains: What are the colors of Meas. 31/20L as implemented? 4 or 5 colors? BROWN included/excluded? Someone out there with a color photo of an APD in Measure 31/20L? John, could you please elaborate on the source for your interpretation. As one of the maker of the respected color swatches you must have come pretty close to the real colors. I cannot believe I spent so much time to write all this. Am I a geek, or what? Do I need a life? The truth is out there. Bernhard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "David Mullins" Subject: USN Commissioning pamphlets Time to clear out the shop. I have a pile of USN commissioning pamphlets from the '70s that need to go along w/ 1/700 scale ship kits. Drop me an email if interested. Thanks!!! David M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: DurlingK@aol.com Subject: IPMS(USA) - USS Hornet chapter launching Guess it's not to soon for this. Next month our IPMS chapter begins meeting aboard Hornet, on Friday night, Nov.5 at 7pm. If you're a SF Bay Area resident and are not yet on my mailing list, contact me off-list to get the flyer that's going out later this week. Sure would like to see a lot of ship modelers there! Ken Durling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "J. London" Subject: BOOKS FOR SALE I'm cleaning out the archives and have the following:- REAL OLDIES:- "Rimingtons Fighting Fleets 1943"; dj worn but otherwise v good. "The Enemies' Fighting Ships" by Jay Launer; pub 1944 the Allied perception of the fleets of the Axis powers; dj worn otherwise v good. "The Saga of the San Demetrio" by F. Tennyson Jesse: pub His Majesty's Stationery Office 1942; paperback in fair condition; the story of a tanker which survived being torpedoed and set on fire; later made into a film. Almanacco Navale 1937; the Italian version of Jane's; v slightly worn covers but otherwise excellent. "The Marvel Book of American Ships" by Orton P. Jackson and Frank E. Evans; pub by Stokes in 1917; good for its age. RECENT:- "Kinds of Ships" Japanese text but full of drawings, plans and photographs. "Ship Models in Miniature" by McNarry; Praeger 1975; photographs of his models, mainly sail but some later; excellent cond. "Ships in Miniature" by McCaffery; Phoenix 1988; a "How to" manual devoted to sailing ship models; excellent cond.. "US Coast Guard Cutters & Craft of World War II" by Schiena; photos and descriptions and a few plans; excellent cond. If anyone is interested they can contact me off list. Will consider any serious offer. Mike London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Trivia Round 2 #1 Let's open round 2 with a relatively easy question...the winner of Round 2 receives a Skywave/Pitroad USS Butler DE kit and Tom's Modelworks brass set. IF YOU WISH TO RECEIVE A COPY OF THE EXCEL 7.0 (Office 97) FILE WITH THE STANDINGS, INCLUDE THE REQUEST IN YOUR ANSWER. ************************************************ When you hear the name of this ship you would probably think of the American Civil War. However the name also applies to another war and to a particular heroic incident in which the ship was sunk. While the mission was unsuccessful, the ship’s commander became a national hero, and he and his crew all received the Medal of Honor for their exploit. The commander later wrote a book about the event. This is a potential six point question. Question #1 What is the name of the ship? (1 pt.) Question #2 In what war was she lost and what was her mission? (1 pt.) Question #3 Who was her commanding officer? (1 pt.) Bonus #1 What kind of a ship (classification) was she before her mission? (1 pt.) Bonus #2 Why was the commander passed over for the Medal of Honor, only receiving it many years later? (1 pt.) Bonus #3 - The commander of the mission received numerous awards, including having a tobacco product named in his honor. Question - what was the product and what was its name? (1 pt.) Good Luck!! For the remainder of the rounds, email all answers to: mailto:warships@juno.com Jeff & Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume