Subject: SMML01/11/99VOL716 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:19:21 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: GLASS CASES 2: Re: WW1 warship 3: Damaged models 4: Re: Contacting Waldron 5: Re: Tashkent Information 6: Chicago Hobby Show news 7: Card Models, Anchor Cable, Aurora/Potemkin 8: HMS EXETER 9: Nasty's torpedo tubes 10: ONLY baseball? again 11: Revell Saratoga 12: Inkjet decal printing 13: Mikasa Sites 14: Re: Post-WWII Soviet carrier 15: Y2K stuff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: November Internet Modeler 2: New rail sets retooling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: GLASS CASES I have know idea what IPMS and APMA stand for and if they insist that glass cases be removed before a model is judged I don't want to know. I have never heard of anything more ludicrous in my life. Real model exhibitions/competitions, such as the International Model and Model Engineering Show, the Mariner's Museum Competition, etc., do not have such nonsense. Harold Lincoln Hi Harold, Just to clear up any misunderstandings, APMA(Australian Plastic Modeller's Assoc) does not insist that glass cases be removed for assesment/competition. In fact the the ship that won best ship & then won Model of the Year last year was in a glass case. Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Steve Singlar Subject: Re: WW1 warship >> Naval and Maritime Museums: Greece http://pc-78-120.udac.se:8001/WWW/Nautica/Museums/mmeugr.html Poros Naval Base: Georg Averoff (1910), Armoured cruiser/pocket battleship built in England in 1910. ~10,000 tons, 4x10" 8x6" main armament. Check before visiting; About 1980 it was still an active training base. Only open Wednesday and Saturday afternoons. It is possible the base might have been closed or the ship moved since then. Day trip from Athens. << Charles, Thanks for passing along this info. While on Active Duty on Greece in 1980/81. We spotted this ship, but could never identify it. Locals just called it the old ship. We did not have time to get over to check it out. Thanks for the info. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Damaged models Just an observation in favor of cases. Some ship model competitions will not accept an uncased model for display or judging. This assures there is no damage and everybody is equal in terms of the judges ability to see the models. Have never heard a judge say that an uncased model would be easier to judge at these shows. Of course, there are a lot of considerations for the contest organizers to work with and cases sure would take up more room at the average IPMS show. I have to agree with whoever said that if you are uncomfortable with the model being uncased, don't enter the contest. Each group has it's rules and they have every right to set any criteria they please. If you are not in agreement witht their rules, abstain from entering. I have watched many families come into our Pacific Tall Ships Gallery where we display many fully rigged sailing ship models. Most are in cases, but a few are not. It is almost always the adult who touches the rigging lines not the children. I'll always remember the one boy (maybe 12 or so) who's mother kept telling him not to touch the models. He finally said to her "Hey Mom, my hands have been in my pockets since we came in here. Do you think I'm crazy enough to touch one of these models? We'd have to sell the house to pay for one of these things!" Meanwhile his father was touching lines on all the uncased models. We actually have had very little damage in the past three years. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Contacting Waldron Hi SMML, I'm not aware of a web site or e-mail address for Waldron, but the telephone number is (541) 474-3226 and the fax number is (541) 474-3226. As far as I know, the snail mail address is still (for those who don't have it already) P.O. Box 431, Merlin, OR 97532 USA. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Tashkent Information Hi SMML, Regarding the color to be used for the Tashkent, I have seen her described as being painted in a light blue or sky blue, and I doubt you would be able to find anything more definite than that. For what it's worth, you could check out the JSC card model of the Tashkent, which has her in an interesting light-to-medium blue color. Also, since the Tashkent was built in Italy, I suppose it's possible she was painted in the standard Italian light gray at least initially, but I wouldn't count on her carrying that for long once she reached the Soviet Union. There may be more information on the Tashkent in a forthcoming book from the French publisher Marines edition called "La Flotte Rouge de Lenine a Staline (1917-1953)" (unless my French is really slipping that means "The Red Fleet from Lenin to Stalin"), which I am looking forward to getting. The plans I've seen for the Tashkent show her with two-bar deck rails with a third bar much higher than the first two; I have not been able to confirm that from photographs. There is an interesting Russian-language book on the Tashkent whose title translates as "Leader of the Black Sea." You can get it from Books International at http://www.books-international.co.uk and the item number is 120618. Although it is not printed on glossy paper, there are nevertheless some interesting and (I think) helpful photographs in it. Maybe one day ICM will do a Tashkent in 1/350.... I can dream, can't I? Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Kcompany@webtv.net (Marvin Reichman) Subject: Chicago Hobby Show news Visited ICM booth at Chicago hobby show today. Konig will be releasd in December. Hood in summer of 2000. They didn't have any test shots. Also visited Humbrol booth They are going to start making hull red again in January. Infantry Queen Of Battle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Card Models, Anchor Cable, Aurora/Potemkin I have been travelling on business quite a lot recently and so am trying to catch up on about 5 weeks of listings. Therefore please forgive me if some of these points have already been addressed. Card Models For those in the UK, a superb set of card models, many from Eastern Europe, are available from: Marcle Models, Turnagain, Finch Lane, Amersham, Bucks HP7 9NE They can provide an illustrated catalogue for £3. Anchor Cable The Admiralty Manual of Seamanship (the Bible on such subjects) states: "Every joining shackle is painted white. Except at the joining shackle between two half shackles, a link on each side of the joining shackle is painted white, eg for the third joining shackle the third link on each side of the joining shackle is painted white." I can just see this leading to someone asking for a full explanation of shackles, half shackles etc, but I would suggest you obtain a copy of the manual and read it for yourself - it all gets very complicated! Aurora/Potemkin I must have missed the request for details of Aurora/Potemkin, but if whoever it was would like to contact me with their postal address, I will send copies of the articles describing the construction of these two models from the original Heller kits, these articles having been originally published in Military Modelling Magazine. Regards Les Brown, les@brown.abelgratis.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Rule" Subject: HMS EXETER I attended a hobby show in Ajax, Ontario, Canada today. Incidentally, Ajax is named after the ship of River Plate fame. Infact many of the streets in the town are named after crew members from the participating Commonwealth ships. The show was held in Exeter High School. On the wall in one of the corridors was a broadside view photograph of HMS Exeter presumably taken either pre-war or early in the war. The ship is plainly painted in three colours. Presumably, the colours are all gray. The hull is the middle shade being medium gray; the superstructure is lightest being light gray and the 8" turrets are in dark gray. All of the above colours refer to the vertical surfaces, as the horizontal surfaces are not visible. The photograph is very clear. Can anyone confirm what the colours would be. I have just checked, and the photo may have been taken at the same time as the one shown on page 141 of Raven and Roberts British Cruisers of World War Two, which although not as clear , distinctly shows the three tones. John Rule -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Nasty's torpedo tubes Dear Kostas, I found a black and white photograph of a Nasty class boat, the Greek "HS Toxotis", in the book "Small Craft Navies" by Christopher Chant. It shows the two port side torpedo tubes reasonably well. It is basically a side view (slightly frontal). If you can do without details from the rear end and the inboard side of the tubes this might be enough for you. The description of the torpedo armament for the Nasty/Tjeld class boats in the text is meager: " 4 x single 533mm (21 inch) mountings for 4 x heavyweight anti-ship torpedoes" That's all. Contact me off list and I'll send you a scan or a photocopy. Bernhard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell Subject: ONLY baseball? again Arjun, I TOLD you - nobody who isn't a Red Sox fan can understand. You don't even know who Billy Buckner is!! As far as cities coming to a halt - you should have been on any city in Massachusetts in 1967 (the 'impossible dream' series) and again in 1986 (the 'Buckner' series) - the only two times in recent history the Red Sox played in the World Series - and lost both in the 9th inning of the seventh game. On the days the games were played, all work stopped everywhere. And yes, I know who Bradman and Sobers are - I grew up in the Caribbean(many years ago) and my father was a test cricketer and, later, umpired (his greatest disappointment was- neither of his 2 sons gave a d...mn about the game). But YOU don't know Billy Buckner - you just DONT understand! I'll take the stopover in Kosovo - but I think I'll skip E. Timor, thank you Denis Campbell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: Revell Saratoga Hi everyone. Does anyone know the scale of the Revell Saratoga? I have a feeling it is one of their 'box' scales, but can't remember for sure... Is it close to 1:600? Also, re World Series Baseball: it is so named due to the first sponsor of the series being the World newspaper. Thus the winner is technically the World Series champions, whereas Australia, on the other hand, is real World Champions in cricket, netball... and rugby (hopefully by next Saturday night)!!! Regards, Stuart robottom@deakin.edu.au http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Craig Brown" Subject: Inkjet decal printing Hi All, For those interested in doing their own decals on an inkjet printer take a look at http://www.paper-paper.com/ They have a product called SuperCal inkjet decal paper. I have not used it but the editor of our IPMS chapter has and had very high praise for it. Craig Brown in St. Louis- Home of the National League team that has usually beaten the Bronx Bombers in series play and where we have just gone off daylight saving time, the world turned upside down. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Mark Krywienko Subject: Mikasa Sites Hello SMMLies, Thank-you to all those who have posted replies about the Mikasa in Yokosuka, I have found the information very interesting. I just wanted to share two more URL's from 'The City of Yokosuka and Miura Peninsula', that may be of interest. There are two sites, one in Japanese and the other in English/Japanese. I would recommend you to have a look at the Japanese one as well, as it contains some great photos not included in the English site. http://www.city.yokosuka.kanagawa.jp/j/active/mikasa.html http://www.city.yokosuka.kanagawa.jp/speed/mypage/m-imajo/jlistown/townguide-e.html Regards, Mark Krywienko Sydney Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: Post-WWII Soviet carrier Joseph wrote, about the Graf Zeppelin : >> What if they had decided to try finishing her as a carrier? What aircraft might she have carried? And how would they have been marked? I've started researching aircraft flown by the Soviets in WWII, and as a first impression I would guess the YaK-9 and the Sturmovik might have been candidates. Maybe copies of American aircraft, like the B-29/Tu-4 situation. B-25s, based on the Tokyo raid? How about a carrier-based P-40? << Well, if they behaved like they did to the Kiev & Moskva classes, she'd have been finished badly :-( The more I read on the little info on Soviet-era carriers, the more depressed I get. So many screw-ups........ Mike (thinking about his Kiev, and Minsk, and Moskva, and all the work needed for them) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Y2K stuff Hi all, Mike C wrote: >> It is my understanding that most home PC (and Mac) users have nothing to worry about concerning Y2K. The problem will lie with main frame type systems that were designed (or have their origins) in the 60's and 70's. If you are very worried about the affects then plan to print out hard copies of any vital information that you might have stored on your computer. << Close, Mike, but not exact. If ANY of you use spreadsheets that involve dates - CHECK THEM. You probably just use the 2 digit format. If ANY of you use databases that involve dates - CHECK THEM. Again, look at the format. The same goes for accounts packages, and a lot more! This date format affects a lot of stuff - but you can forget about your toaster and microwave, etc! While it's not too late to check, and fix - there ain't much time left. MOST of us will be OK, but those with businesses need to check out urgently, if they haven't already done this. Sorry to go on about it - the rollover won't be the end of the world, but it could, and probably will, be a bit messy. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: November Internet Modeler Greetings all, It is with pleasure that I must announce our largest issue to date is now live, for those of you who concern yourselves with such things we have a mulitple page excursion to the hobby & trade show that took place last week in Chicago. For article content we have four destroyer features from fellow SMMLies Simon Wolff (OzMods 1/600 HMAS Voyager), Keith Butterley (pair of Tamiya 1/700 O Class w/WEM PE), Richard Eaton (Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher w/ GMM PE) and myself (Waveline 1/700 Freccia w/assorted PE). There are reviews on the Hi-Mold 1/700 resin Mikasa (a very nice kit if I must say so. . it is sitting here in front of me as I type .. whoops the cat is now eyeing it. . time to put the lid on again) as well as a book on teh German Navy in WW2 and the Tirpitz. Oh yes, there are some of those things with wings and tracks as well. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com Hi gang, I have to echo Bob's comments about the ship articles, they are excellant. WELL DONE to all concerned. And if I can get my butt into gear, there'll be some articles from me next month. Bob also reviews the latest APMA magazine as well, which includes a massive B-25 Mitchell special, amongst other stuff. Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: New rail sets retooling New tooling for the 1/700 scale builders. We at Tom's Modelworks have just sent in the new brass tooling films for the redesigned set 704 and 705 rail sets. Set 704 is the three rail set and 705 is the two rail set. Both sets have been redesigned to increase the scale footage of rails on the sheet. As with all our 1/700 scale sets, these rails are provided on .003 brass and the price of each rail set will remain at $6.25 Check out our web site at http://www.tomsmodelwoorks.com for a listing of all the various brass sets available and in most cases you can view the brass set and instructions. We hope to be able to provide viewing of all sets and instruction by the end of the year. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume