Subject SMML02/11/99VOL717 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 00:32:33 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Billy Buckner 2: Revell Saratoga 3: Re: Cased Models 4: Re: Glass cases: head judges reply 5: Re: Glass cases 6: Mystery Carrier 7: Model Magazines 8: Display Cases 9: Re: Inkjet decal paper 10: IS 1/350 Tennessee 11: Re: GREEK CRUISER AVEROF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Book for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Kevin Wenker Subject: Re: Billy Buckner Denis, I'm from Chicago. I not only know who Billy Buckner is, I understand your pain. As Mike Ryoko pointed out long ago, the ex-Cub number is the decisive factor in any playoff. Kevin Wenker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Revell Saratoga Stuart, The Revell Saratoga/Forrestal kits are about 1/540 scale. This was the scale for the Midway/FDR and angled-deck Essex carriers as well. Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Cased Models As a qualified and experienced IPMS/USA Nationals judge, I found myself reflecting on the Society's requirement for cases to be removed for judging, in order to level the playing field, so to speak. Now, it would seem to me that the cased model might be construed to have the disadvantage. So, if the modeler wants to enter it--with case--knowing that fact, why should IPMS object? Frankly, I don't have any problem with cased models, particularly for ships. I don't seen ANY need for ship models to be picked up and handled for judging. And I have witnessed models damaged by judges handling them (at Seattle, where a judge in 1/48 single-engine prop aircraft picked up a FW-190 to turn it over, only to have the prop--which was merely sitting in place so that it could spin--fall off onto the wing of a superb Spitfire below and break the landing gear and ding the paint. Personally, I think the rules should be changed to allow cased models to be judged, as long as the entrant understands that it may constitute a disadvantage. My $.02. John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass cases: head judges reply Harold, Sorry your so turned off by the "cover" rule in IPMS competition. Incidentally, IPMS is the acronym for International Plastic Modelers Society (sorry you didn't want to know). I support the "cover" rule for one very important reason. In order for ALL the models to be judged equally, they ALL MUST have covers or ALL the models MUST be uncovered. You can't mix the two. The judging techniques we (IPMS judges) use just doesn't allow a cover to be in the way in order to give equal scrutiny to all the models. For instance: We have to get close to the model to inspect for the tiniest mistakes from finding seams to judging the finish of the paint. I'm sure you're against anyone wanting to get so close to your work of art, but we MUST judge all models equally (that argument is for another day). An uncovered model allows the judges to get up close and personal while the covered model doesn't allow the close scrutiny of the judges eye. This sort of thing comes up every year at the Contest Committee meeting at the Nats. The aircraft judges usually get the most flak about it. In short, you just can't properly judge all surfaces of an aircraft without picking it up and inspecting the bottom for flaws in construction. Dental mirrors just don't work because you can't put light where you need it to inspect the construction, masking, finish, etc. If we didn't look on the bottom it would encourage poor construction there. You're now asking "what the hell does that have to with ship models"? Like aircraft, we have to look at the model from below (to make sure the bottoms of those overhangs are painted) and all other angles. We have to get close because of the scales involved, which is why the cover rule is there. Try inspecting the rigging techniques on a 1/700 destroyer from five inches away and you'll see what I mean. Small construction requires close inspection and we owe everyone in competition to be judged equally. I'm sure you don't agree with me on this, and that's okay. When everyone starts showing up with covers on the models I'll reconsider the rule, but I doubt it will ever happen. Rusty White IPMS head ship judge http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: DrT388@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass cases >> I have know idea what IPMS and APMA stand for and if they insist that glass cases be removed before a model is judged I don't want to know. I have never heard of anything more ludicrous in my life. Real model exhibitions/competitions, such as the International Model and Model Engineering Show, the Mariner's Museum Competition, etc., do not have such nonsense. << I thought I'd throw my two cents into the ring also on the above subject. As long as the model is close to the glass, recommended to be no farther than 2 inches on any side from the glass, why does the case pose such a problem in judging. You are not going to get much closer than two inches away from it even without the case. Most individuals eye sight will not focus at such a close range either. If the model was showing detail of the underside, like on aircraft or vehicles, I could see why the case needs to be removed, but on a ship! Come on there's not any detail to speak of on the bottom of a battlewagon. So the case issue ought to be dropped. Or better yet, if the case is such an unfair advantage to the uncovered ships, make another entry class for those with glass! Either way, like the above post indicates, it is ludicrous. David Turner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Mystery Carrier Hi guys On the USNASBM website has a photo of an escort carrier with the number A-460 now after my research I believe it to be the H.M.S. ARCHER who was transferred to the ministry of Transport and renamed Empire Lagan. Now my question is can any one tell which carrier it is? Nothing like a good mystery now and then. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Model Magazines Do I remember correctly, a thread recently about Model Shipbuilder Magazine going under? Could that be why I can't find it at my local Barnes & Noble? If that is the case what periodicals do you recommend. I have limited internet access so the online magazines are impratical. Thanks Doc Wiseman Hi Doc, Yes, that's correct, there was a post saying that MSB has been taken over by IIRC Seaway's magazine "Ships in Scale". Depending on what you're after I can highly recommend Plastic Ship Modeller. It mainly deals with plastic & resin from steam warships up. It comes out quarterly. For more info contact Dan Jones at: mailto:dhjonespsm@juno.com There are other magazines around, but since I don't get them, I can't comment on them. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Display Cases I decided to build plexiglass cases for my models when at the 1998 NY Ship & Boat Model Show a kid almost damaged by SS United States Model. He was so intrigued by the flag decals and how small they were that he was about to stick his finger into the rigging. Thank God his Mom stopped him (actually she beat me to it). I decided that I needed to protect them for next year's show. Cases also help to protect the models when transporting them to/from the show and keeping the dust and dusters off of them. Anybody how is interested, I have compiled a series of tips presented by SMMLers on how to build your own cases on my site IMM. It is located under Resources. Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Inkjet decal paper Micro Mark has inkjet decal paper in their latest catalogue. I've never tried it though. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: IS 1/350 Tennessee My kit of the IS 1/350 Tennessee (to be built as California) arrived last week. Mind you, this is my first resin kit, so there's a lot of things I'm still adjusting to as I study the various parts. Likewise, holding a model you've been dying to get for nearly 20 years is almost a religious experience in itself. All that said, I am truely awestuck by the level of detail on the parts of this kit. I've yet to find any major descrepancies between the kit and the drawings of the Tennessee I have. A few mods are required to build an accurate California, but IMO that's par for the course and doesn't detract from the kit in the least bit. The kit arrived two days after I received confirmation my check had arrived. I bit the bullet and bought the full-hull version. Both halves are very clean IMO, and beyond the normal sanding/clean up required to mate the two halves, I don't forsee any major problems in construction. A handful of parts were missing and a few of the very fine and delicate gun tubs (which themselves were very impressive) were crushed in shipping. However, I've already been informed replacements are in route and should arrive shortly. Being this is my first resin-brass kit I am a bit intimidated by both the number of parts and the level of detail, but not so much to reduce my desire to get to work. However, I am going to hold off a bit and get a bit more experience under my belt so I can plan/blueprint my strategy for building the kit. This will be the flagship of the fleet I'm in the process of collecting, so I plan on doing it right the first time. It was definately worth the price I paid, and I give it very high marks. I've never seen an ship model that was this gorgeous right out of the box. As a friend put it, "she's talking to me" DW says 5 stars...if you're a fan of old US WWII BBs, buy this kit. You will not be disappointed. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Subject: Re: GREEK CRUISER AVEROF Averof is now located in Faliro Pireaus,Greece. It is turned into a museum and it can be visited every day and for several hours. For some years it is being restored and it almost has the form it had during the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 which it participated with great success. Regards Stylianos Falieros Maritime Museum of Crete http://www.forthnet.gr/mar-museum-crete.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Percy, John" Subject: Book for sale Hello everyone, I have the following book for sale: "Navies of WWII: An illustrated history" by Antony Preston. 221 pages, many many pictures, drawings, battle plans. Covers the following topics: The Royal Navy 1939-1941 The Italian and French Navies Naval Operations Sep 1939-Dec 1941 The German Navy The US Navy The Imperial Japanese Navy The Battle of the Atlantic Amphibious Warfare Midway to Okinawa Price: $35 - includes shipping (by US Priority Mail), insurance, and delivery confirmation. Will ship to US and its territories only. Payment is to be by money order only, please (US post office has them cheap). Respond to mailto:jpercy@clariion.com if interested. Thank you, and long live SMML! John Percy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume