Subject SMML13/11/99VOL728 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:09:43 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Tamiya (old) 1/700 Yamato 2: Re: 1:350 Iowa 3: Re: Resin vs Plastic 4: Polish Bofors 5: Model Photos wanted 6: Re: Chinese production 7: Re: Philosophy 8: Kiwis vs Aussies 9: Re: Blue Water Navy web site 10: Re: JSP Instructions (more crap) 11: Re: Removing resin over pour 12: Welcome Barry Rudd 13: The Lark's Exaltation 14: Lapse in trivia 15: Re: Lost Aurora Company 16: Stuff 17: Re: Wahoo (SS-238) scheme and modifications 18: Lost Aurora Models 19: Re: Carrier SIG 20: Y2000 judging 21: Re: Philosophy and Tolerance 22: 1.1" mounts on USS Arizona 23: Re: Wahoo SS-238 24: On Resin Prices, Value, and Aurora 25: Re: Aurora Re-birth 26: More on Wahoo 27: Book Question 28: Mk 49 AA directors 29: Deck Planking, Cruisers-South Pacific 30: The two John S's 31: museum/contest fees 32: Wooden Hull SC of WW2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USS MONTROSE FOR SALE? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Tamiya (old) 1/700 Yamato I've been informed that the Tamiya 1/700 Yamato kit I built in HS and gave to a friend (who kept begging me to give it to him) is about to do a boomerang and come back. In short, he's moving, doesn't have room for it, "do you want this back?" Yeah, why not. This is a model that was built with slapdash methods c.1982, and has been through multiple moves, cat attacks (hellcats...hmm), and other sundry violations to it's vital parts. Well, I hate to scrap anything, so I've decided to (figuratively) toss it onto my "refurb" pile (that consists mostly of Bandai Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers kits I build around the same time). I haven't had much experience with refurbishing old kits. Ideas I have, experience I don't. These kits were built using good old fashions Testors "orange top" glue (weld-rite by another name). As such, I'm not too sure how well the parts are going to come off (without destroying them in the process). I know the adhesion of this particular form of liquid torch does lessen over time (from the number of parts that keep falling off my old Revell Boston CAG kit), but disassembly (cataloging...since I don't have the original instructions anymore), and clean up are a concern. Suggestions, ideas, anything will be appreciated. I've also got a somewhat large starboard/top plan of the ship in Hugh Lyon and J. E. Moore's The Encyclopedia of the World's Warships (C) 1978. While not comparable to a good set of plans, given it's age, is anyone here familar enough with this rendering to know if it's accurate enough to use as a guide? This is the biggest, most detailed representation of the ship I own (and with the Anatomy of a Ship book out of print and hard to find...). The reason I ask is because I know the plan of the Tennessee in the same book is inaccurate. The date given is '43, but it shows her with a pair of quad 40s abreast of the aft fire control tower (inboard of the aftermost 5/38 mounts). At that time, the TN had rectangular tubs with 2 single 20mm in that location. That might (and it's a pretty big might right now) represent the California at some point in '44, but even then it has the TNs short '43 mainmast. Therefore, the drawing almost appears to be a badly done composite of features both ships had at different times. I'll refrain from making too many commentaries about the lack of a multitude of minor details and the fact the ship is appears to be painted overall in Dark Gray 5-D (so dark it's hard to make out the details). I know...four color printing, nuff said. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: 1:350 Iowa Joe... Breyer's BBs & BCs states in '43 the Iowa had a SK type radar forward. You are correct in your assumption. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: Resin vs Plastic First off Rusty, loved your comment about .65 an hour [VBG]. I just received my 1/350 Tamiya Yamato kit from Model Expo (BTW, great service guys, thanks). This is one of those kit's I've been putting off buying since HS because of the cost. At $39.00 though, I couldn't afford to say "maybe later" again. After spending the last few weeks studing and mulling over the parts of my IS California (formally known as Tennessee) it suddenly struck me why I paid $275 for the resin kit - other than the fact no one else offers that ship in that scale. In spite of the inherent difficulties of working with resin, I've yet to see an injection kit that has the level/quality of detail built in that my IS kit has. As good as the Tamiya kit is (and I am not knocking this kit, because it's does look good - especially upside that Lindberg (eeeeeeyuk)), I'm gonna have to bust my fanny (and kill my wallet) to get the same level of detail on the Yamato that's already there on the California. I have spent WAY too much time studying the details of these two ships (and now I realize I haven't even begun to study (the pain, the agony, the humilation...wah!). That said, I guess I need to spread out the parts of my Tamiya 1:350 Yamato and Hasegawa 1/450 Yamato this weekend and do a little comparison work to see how they compare to one another. The first impression is "they don't" but I'm expecting surprises along the way. Not like I can swap parts between the two, but "as ye shall shipwright, so shall ye research." Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Polish Bofors The Poles certainly had 40mm Bofors guns, made at the Polish State Arsenal at Starachowice and designated 40mm armata przeciwlotnicza wz.36 - 306 had been delivered by the time of the German invasion in 1939. Many of the ones used by the Germans (on S-boote and in coastal defences) were ex-Polish. Indeed, there is a single on a ground mount at the Woolwich Rotunda in London which has Polish markings and an eagle engraved in the side of the receiver, presumably one of those supplied to the British between 1937-39. It is therefore entirely possible that the Polish navy used them as well, although I have not found any specific reference to it. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Dave Pluth" Subject: Model Photos wanted Hi all, We've recently opened a Modelers Gallery on the Japanese Aircraft & Ship Modeling Homepage and thus far all we have is aircraft. I'd very much like to add some Japanese Ships to the mix if at all possible. So, if you have some ship photos that you'd like to contribute, I would love to have them. If you have them scanned, you can e-mail them to photos@j-aircraft.com or if you need them scanned, drop me a note and we'll make arrangements to send them out. We're also looking for reviews as well, let me know if you are interested in helping out. Dave Japanese Aircraft & Ship Modeling Homepage http://www.j-aircraft.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: Chinese production Hi Tom, You wrote : >> it amazes me, the quality of product which can be turned out in such massive volume, so consistently. I am in manufacturing, and am always amazed at how you can design, tool up, then produce in volume complex, multi-part toy assemblies that are then produced in the millions and given away FREE (or almost) with fast food! << Yeah, but how many are related to another company's promotions? Eg: the Disney film Tarzan is currently doing the rounds this side of the Pond, and yup, there are give-aways. Funded by MacDonalds? I doubt it; probably by Disney to raise the film's profile among kids, with MacDonalds being paid to do it. >> At one time in the UK, Airfix produced little model kits as premiums inside various candies and cereals << I remember them....best thing about the cereal! I had a fleet of 747s.........sad, isn't it? }-) >> So why can't we here get a free Yamato model kit with our burger order? << Erm, maybe because they don't do a big enough burger? Just think of the size to get the Yamato free.....! And that's assuming they don't confuse Yamato with Tomato, & put the ship inside the bun!!!!!! Seriously, think about the size and complexity of the freebies compared to the Yamato. Orders of magnitude apart. What can be cheaply mass-produced for a kids toy cannot be done for the demanding market of ship modellers. Sure, they could rattle off a small basic model - but that would be it - small and very basic, to keep the costs down to a managable level. Looking at the larger picture, a company like Disney will have a massive budget for promotions. The costs of masters, tooling, materials and production of a basic toy is swallowed whole in the overall budget. Bear in mind - what they make for the States is used in Europe and the Far East markets as well. You are talking many millions being made, not the few thousand or tens of thousands done my our injection moulding model companies. [Free Market stuff with Hong Kong mentioned] But HK always had a free market........and still does under Chinese rule, albeit more strictly controlled (if this isn't an oxymoron.....) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: Philosophy Hi Michael, >> Thanks for your responses to my rant. Bad day, I guess. I wrote a pretty inflammatory message on Hyperscale too. << Hey, your amil was totally mild compared to some stuff recently on another List I'm on. Been so bad that the Listmaster there is terminating a number of accesses! Compared with them (I regret, for a number of our fellow SMMLies, that all the bad-mouthers were Americans), you are the voice of sweet reason >> Shoot, I consider that a point in shipbuilding's favor! << You & me both! >> Wish me luck and maybe you'll have a solid new convert. Once again, hope I didn't tick anyone off too much and thanks for all your help! << No probs - that's what we're here for :-) All the best with this winter's project. >> And to correct a misconception, when I said "back to Iowa" I meant USS Iowa. While I'm originally from there, I now live in the great high country (Colorado) now! << & I meant the people from there as well! Heaven knows what would happen to me if I'd meant the ship! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Kiwis vs Aussies Gosh guys! The Texans and the New Yorkers got in trouble on the List for our nationalistic fervor. Now y'all are at it too. We're going to have to rein in this frivolity ;-p Ed Mansfield, TX Mid-November and the temperature is still in the 80's. It looks like we'll be barbequing the Thanksgiving turkey on the backyard grill. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Water Navy web site The URL is: http://navismagazine.com/bwn-sale/bwn-sale.htm Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: JSP Instructions (more crap) >> Rusty, you're a bright fellow and computer literate to boot...Couldn't you have scanned the instruction sheet, flipped the file to mirror image and re-printed it? The verbiage would have been reversed as well, but at least the parts would have been recognizable...Perhaps all those resin fumes? :o) << It wasn't too difficult to figure out once I knew the photo was reversed. When I built the 1/700 FRAM Gearing kit, they pulled a stunt on that one too. The photos of the model that show you where to place some parts was their SUMNER kit obviously with the SUMNER parts. You're probably right about those resin fumes. It just put me off that the quality of the instructions were so poor. Being a bright guy? Don't give credit till you meet me. Some folks think my account has reached it's limit. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Removing resin over pour I have heard some folks here complain about removing the resin overpour common to most resin kits. Some time ago I bought a hand held belt sander from Micro Mark with 60 belts. This little bugger makes resin dust out of overpour in the blink of an eye! I use this tool on every single model I build so I really depend on it. It's not cheap, (about $75.00 to $80.00 including the speed control) but I would buy another one in a minute. Go to the Micro Mark web site and you can order a catalogue free of charge. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Welcome Barry Rudd Ok SMMLies, Don't let this Rudd character lead you to believe he's a novice shipmodeler....in fact, he's a member in good standing at our very own Ship Model Society of Northern New Jersey... You can see some of his excellent work in the gallery at our website: http://www.smsnnj.simplenet.com Since he's practically a next door neighbor, let me be the first to welcome him to the group.... Best, Jeff Herne SMSNNJ Webmaster & 45 thousand other irons for the fire.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: DurlingK@aol.com Subject: The Lark's Exaltation >> swarm of crazed modelers << That's IT!!!! A "Swarm of SMMLies!" Ken D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Lapse in trivia Hi gang, Sorry for lapse in the trivia contest, the Herne-Class BB had to go into drydock for a refit...she's doing well after an ear operation to correct those chronic ear infections...we'll get back into trivia starting tomorrow... Now, the last question is a mess....conflicting data has resulted in the question being null and void...as we used to say when we were kids, 'it's a do-over'. I don't remember who made the post about how many ship modelers are out there that we're not reaching...but here's my 2 pence... Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Lost Aurora Company Dear Shane: As I recall there isn't a website but an email letter. I discovered this on the Starship Modeler website dated Nov1,1999 in an article about the announcement of the company's return. That page is updated twice a week. Try emailing the editor of Starship Modeler website for a copy. That's all I know. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Stuff SMMLmates: I'd like to add my thoughts to several threads. I support the use of transparent case in IPMS/USA contests. The notion that they hinder judging simply in not valid. Even my tired half-century old eyes can see through glass. And yes, I have judged at contests up to the regional level. I found the statement that if judges didn't pick up and check the undersides of models, modelers wouldn't complete the undersides astonishing. Most of us were building models, detailing cockpits, and finishing out the undersides long before we ever thought of placing them in front of IPMS judges. I agree with Kelvin Mok to a large degree that popular vote is the most accurate gauge of a model's worth. Contest judging in based almost entirely on technical merit. Popular vote has far more emphasis on artistic merit. I find that there are many technically perfect models that are sterile, and many artistically wonderful, but less than perfect technically, that are more lifelike and convey the beauty, strength and grace of the real things. I do understand that it is easier to be objective about technical merit than artistic merit, but no one ever said judging was easy. Resin versus plastic. Or is it cottage industry versus major manufacturer? Personally, I'd rather save up my money and buy the more expensive resin kits. These guys are producing the ships I want to build. The quality is better and they give better, more personal service. Besides, I'd rather talk to Caroline than Revelogram customer service representative #147. Well, enough BS. I actually finished some models. I finished a 1/350 IS PC-461 class subchaser and a 1/350 JAG USS Asheville class gunboat. Both are wonderful kits, and would certainly recommend them as anyone's first resin kit. If anyone would like more information about the kits, please contact me off-line. I recently bought two cool models: WSW's SMS Derfflinger and KMS Karlsruhe. Great kits. Certainly top drawer in terms of quality. I also bought two Snyder & Short sets. Great work, John and Randy. Well, enough for now. John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Doremus, Mark" Subject: Re: Wahoo (SS-238) scheme and modifications A sub question! I'm surprised Tom D. hasn't jumped on this one yet! 8^>> The Ms 9 subs were black anti fouling paint below the WL. Haven't found out for sure, but I guess a flat black could work there. Walkowiak reports the Ms 3x schemes had gloss black decks, I don't know if the same was true for the Ms 9. Mark Doremus Eden Prairie, MN where a huge gaggle of geese are feeding in the lot across the street. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: Lost Aurora Models Hello all, Well I have some vague news. I emailed Lost Aurora Plastics Corporation and I received a reply from the president, Jerry Giammarino, III. While he wasn't apecific, he did say that they will issue ship models some time in the future. I will post any news that I hear on SMML and on IMM. Shane, thanks for the compliments on IMM - I emailed the subscriber on my webmaster account. Felix Bustelo Intenational Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "graham" Subject: Re: Carrier SIG Hi if you email me at katzcom@freeuk.com, I will speak to Paul who runs the Carrier SIG and see if he can help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "graham" Subject: Y2000 judging Hi Peter, I have been told that you have decided to come over to our side and do some judging for next years ukipms show, hehehe cackle, just make sure your not judging a class in which your entered (titter) mmmmm maybe aircraft 1/48th scale, no joking aside welcome to the mad house, cause you can never do it right as I have found out. You get Y didn't that ship win or Y did that one get awarded. Ahhhh oh well I will be seeing you next year and will speak to you soon and just remember if you by any chance want an unbiased review of THAT 1/350 hull you were totting about you can send it to me;) best wishes, graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Re: Philosophy and Tolerance Hello all SMMLies, I am recently new to your group. Michael Satin wrote. >> I know shipbuilding can be a whole new level of modeling, but it seems to me that some of the contributors [SMMLies] I have read here relay look down on the aircraft and armor models. << What follows is my two cents worth ! From 1950 to 1965 I was with a large Industrial Model/Exhibit company, Atkins & Merrill, Inc.. We custom made models of many subjects, including aircraft, tanks and military vehicles, NASA space craft, and YES ship models. How about, a highly classified, 1:32 internal engineering model of the submarine USS George Washington's (SSBN 598) reactor compartment and the propulsion machinery space! The model showed a cutaway reactor, all equipment and machinery, piping, electrical ducting and climate control ducting. This model was built using cast acrylic Plexiglas. This was some ship model!! IT WAS BIG! Three of us built the model in six months, for Electric Boat in New London, Connecticut. Basically, as a hobbyist over the years, my interest has been in ships from the 1750s through WWII, both sail and steam; but I also keep abreast with what goes on in the aircraft and military vehicle model world. Let us say, "I do not ware horse blinders, I love military history and I love reproducing things in miniature and seeing what other modelers produce". Those who model just the "steel navy" ships may be missing something, if they do not take the opportunity to model a companion aircraft model to go along with their ship model, if a particular aircraft had a major part in the ships history. Example: For those modeling the German battleship BISMARK. Certainly the British FAIRLEY SWORDFISH MK I biplane torpedo bomber, that largely was responsible for the BISMARK's sinking, would make a great companion model. Tamiya has just come out with what looks like a super detailed 1:48 kit (#61068 - with PE #61069). See Tamiya's Web site: http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/61068swordfish/swordfish.htm Another example: How about the Japanese KAMIKAZI aircraft that hit the destroyer, or other naval ship, that you are modeling. It might take some research, but that is half the fun of modeling and you learn some history in the process. One of my present projects is a 1:48 model of the Yangtze River gunboat USS PANAY PR 5. She was attacked and sunk by Japanese aircraft on 12 Dec. 1937 ... the first naval ship "ever" to be sunk by enemy aircraft (as far as I can determine). You can bet I will scratch model, at 1:48, the three types of Japanese Navy biplane aircraft involved in PANAY's sinking, as companion models! Hope I have put some food for thought out there!! Take off your horse blinders, and hone your general model making skills!! Also have some fun!! It should be what our hobby is all about!! If not, take up golf or fishing!! I just climbed down off my soap box!! Art Herrick Westmoreland NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: LUCASNER@aol.com Subject: 1.1" mounts on USS Arizona I just received the Floating Drydock 1/192 scale plans for the Arizona as she appeared on 7 December. The plans show her fitted with four 1.1" AA mounts in tubs aft of the 'B' turret and fwd of the 'X'? turret. I thought I read somewhere that the gunshields had been fitted, but the guns themselves had not been installed prior to the attack. Is this true? Also, the plans show her fitted with radar. Not very clear, but did she mount an SC-1 or possibly SC-2 on that Sunday? I've never had reason to doubt any Floating Drydock product, but since I can't find many detailed pictures of her on the day of the attack (that is in one piece) I have to explore all 'rumors' and 'possibilities'. Thanks everyone, Dave Lueck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Wahoo SS-238 >> I'm thinking about building Revell's Lionfish into the USS Wahoo (SS-238) as she appeared prior to her final patrol in September of '43. Does anyone have any information on her final configuration/scheme? << First, may I recommend that you purchase the Nautilus Models conning tower set for your model. You want the USS Bluefish (mid war Gato) for the Wahoo's final configuration. I am looking at the final photograph of Wahoo, as she departs for her sixth patrol. She has the partial cutdown, with what looks like 20mm installations (solid, not tripod bases) on her forward and aft conning tower decks. The radar appears to be forward of her periscope shears. It looks like a 4 inch gun on her forward deck, and T radio antenna on the aft deck. She started life with a rear facing gun and a full enclosed conning tower. The four inch forward gun was acquired during a refit after her first patrol at Pearl. Have to see if I can find out when the cutback occurred. BTW, I always use the HR white metal cleats and bollards, as well as a white metal anchor for the Lionfish. I also fill in the torpedo tubes and put thin styrene sheets in the correct shape of outer door shutters over them. The rear tubes need to lose that little nub that sticks out, and also need outer doors. I also drill and file out the freeflood holes (yeah, a real pain, but worth it...). Since Wahoo was a Mare Island boat, she needs the US Gov't plan (i.e., Portsmouth design) freefloods, rows of elongated horizontal slots (not the Electric Boat/Manitowoc "downward D" shape) I have a photo of her supposedly prior to this patrol (her 7th) with the 'cut-down' fairwater, and Ms 9 paint scheme, with a 4" gun fwd and 3x 20mm mounts, and radar. Was this her final config? Does anyone know when she first received the cut-down sail? Did Ms 9 include below the waterline also? Wahoo was lost on her 6th patrol. Morton was tired and ill; it is debatable whether he should have been sent out again. Your photo sounds correct; yes that was her final configuration. Ms 9 black extends below the waterline. ALL fleet boats in WWII were painted non-fouling black below the waterline. Not red! >> I just 'wanna build her as she was, a tribute to this sub which I read about when I was little and inspired my love of all submarines big and small. << Hope you've read "Wahoo" by the late Richard H. O'Kane, her exec officer and later decorated (Medal of Honor) winner as Captain of the Tang. ...and join the SubCommittee the submarine model and interest group. Visit us at: http://www.wolfsong.com/SubCommittee/ Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: On Resin Prices, Value, and Aurora I want to make it clear that my original question was in no way meant to imply that Resin Kit Makers were gouging buyers or being unfair in their pricing. I have no doubt that Resin kits are good value for the money. I just don't have the kind of money that will let me buy them, at least not regularly. I might be able to scrape together the ca.$160US for a San Francisco kit, but the Enterprise is way outa my league. I'm not whining, just explaing that, if I want to build more than one kit/year, I cannot afford the "really good" ones. BTW, the Aurora URL won't work for me, either. Steve Allen, who's still looking for enclosed, single 5"/38s in about 1/400 for his Pine Island rebuild. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Joseph W. Reyna" Subject: Re: Aurora Re-birth Dear Shane: >> The correct address for the Aurora Corporation is The_Lost_Aurora_kits@prodigy.net You missed spelled it, thank you for reprinting . Craig Bennett Hi Craig, Apologies for that. Shane << Ladies and Gents, After sending a message to the Lost AURORA Plastics folk detailing my fervent desire to see this new company reissue the GREAT AURORA ship model kits, I received the following reply: >> The Lost AURORA Plastics Corporation 2 Leach Street Lynbrook, New York 11563 (516) 621-4911 (516) 599-6018 Fax (212) 658-9760 November 12, 1999 Dear Joseph, Thank you so much for the suggestions and keep them coming. I want to know what the public wants. We will be doing many Ships and also many other models, as soon as we can. Please spread the word and keep the thoughts coming in. Sincerely, Jerry ____________________________ Gennaro Giammarino, III President The Lost Aurora Plastics Corporation << In the words of that great philosopher, Homer J. Simpson: WHOO-HOO !! Let's keep up the momentum! Please start sending email, snail mail, post cards, etc. to convey the SMMLies' commitment to support this new company! Imagine the JOY at finding AFFORDABLE SEAVIEW, ATLANTIS, SKIPJACK, ENTERPRISE (both the WWII and Nuclear versions!) kits! Should they appear, I'll have to check my pulse to see if I've died and gone to SMMLie HEAVEN! Cheers! Joe Reyna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: More on Wahoo The overhaul in which Wahoo had her bridge cut down and the forward cowl (with the deadlights) removed was at Mare Island in June/July '43. She also received a JP sonor outfitting, and had her pressure hull cut open to replace the ailing batteries with new cells. The port propeller shaft, which had been a source of noise was also replaced. Richard O'Kane was detached from her at this point to new construction (Tang). This was prior to her sixth patrol in the Sea of Japan. Wahoo was lost on her seventh patrol (not 6th, as I had earlier erroneously stated), in the area of La Perouse Strait. Her crewmembers and the crews of 51 other US submarines lost during WWII have their names enscribed on stone tablets at the US Submarine Veterans Memorial in Groton, CT. The conning tower of the USS Flasher is there, to honor those still on Eternal Patrol. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Book Question Anyone own (or seen) the book "PADDLE WARSHIPS The Earliest Steam Powered Fighting Ships, 1815-1850?? (One of the "Conway's Ship Type Series.) I'm especially interested in how these ships sailed, and how they sailed under steam and sail.... Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: LUCASNER@aol.com Subject: Mk 49 AA directors Ok, next dumb question... The plans I have for USS Stevens show her stern mounted 40mm twin. INSIDE the gun tub, aft of the gun, is what I assume to be a Mk 49 director. I haven't found many photos of this director, but know that the simpler, and I assume much more effective, Mk 51 director replaced it. Any idea when? Anyone got any details, info, pics of this director? I've been looking to see if anyone makes a 1/192 model of it to plop onto my model of the Pringle. Thanks everyone, Dave Lueck Hi Dave, The only dumb question AFAIC, is the one you don't ask ;-)). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Don Carner" Subject: Deck Planking, Cruisers-South Pacific This is my 1st posting. My Father served aboard CA-38, USS San Francisco from '44 through VJ-Day. I am currently assembling the 1/350th '42 Classic Warships version in resin. Again, my 1st endeavor. Anyway, my Dad has relayed many a story to me over the years of San Fran's actions and circumstances. When I told him of this model, he instantly remarked to, "not forget to make the deck planks white...". White? Seems the constant saltwater scrubbing and the bleaching effects of the sun created a "whitening" effect. I remarked that surely they would paint the planking, but Dad insists that this wasn't the case while he was aboard. Any thoughts on this? How would this effect be reproduced on my model? Dull-white or light-grey? Any feedback would be appreciated! I've attached a binary of CA-38's Jollyroger. Hope this is ok...if not, I'll not attach again! Don Carner; Denver,CO. Hi Don, I'll take a look at it & post it on the SMML website. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: The two John S's My apologies for mixing up John Snyder and John Sheridan in my previous post. Sorry guys. Whoa, talk about embarrasing (. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: DurlingK@aol.com Subject: museum/contest fees Hi folks - This came up at a meeting last night, and I thought it wouldn't hurt to "test the water." As you know, our chapter recently started meeting on board the aircraft carrier Hornet. We've had some discussions with a couple of other chapters about co-hosting a contest on board. The "problem" is this: the carrier would want to charge an admission fee to the museum, although it would be discounted 30% for us. That brings $10 down to $7. Contest fees are usually $3 for up to 3 models or something like that, so we'd be looking at about a $10 fee to get into the contest, plus some extra if you had a bunch of models. The opinion was expressed that modelers would never go for it, that they wouldn't spend that kind of money. So, bearing in mind that admission to the carrier museum is included, would YOU spend $10 to enter a contest on board a historic carrier? Or would that keep you away? Anybody know of interesting precedents? Thanks for your time. Unless you have comments, please respond to me "yea" or "nay" off list so as not to clog up this board. Ken Durling IPMS/USS Hornet Hi Ken, While I can't speak for the yanks here, $10.00 sounds entirely reasonable from this aussie's viewpoint. Esp, since it includes admission to the museum. Good luck with the organising of it. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: DJ8997@webtv.net (donald taber) Subject: Wooden Hull SC of WW2 Would like to find model of wooden hull 110 ft SubChaser .One of the builders was Luders Marine in Stamford,Conn.Some were even built up on Lake Champlain in Vermont. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: USS MONTROSE FOR SALE? Hi Folks, I am looking for a kit of the USS Montrose/Randall APA by Revell. Any complete kit will do. The reissue is fine. My dad and I worked on this kit when I was a kid and he is coming to visit with us for several weeks and I wanted to have this kit ready for us to work on during his stay. E-mail me if you are willing to part with one. 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