Subject SMML02/12/99VOL747 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:52:23 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hiding one's light under a bushell 2: Painting Decks 3: Re: What I love and hate about ship modeling 4: On "What-if" models 5: Re: Closet modeler 6: Tamiya/Skywave Bogue vs. Skywave Tracker 7: Hate the Most 8: Re: Anatomy of Nelson's Ships 9: Re: What Do You Hate/Love The Most About Ship Modeling? 10: Re: INDEPENDENCE and Bikini Orange 11: Re: Bainbridge 12: What I hate the most/what I like the most 13: Missouri's WW2 deck color and fading memories 14: Loves and hates of modelling 15: Re: What Do You Hate/Love The Most About Ship Modeling? 16: Re: Humbrol 107 17: Re: IJN Shinano 18: Small town life 19: Torpedo Boats 20: Re: Bubbles in resin 21: Re: WWI Glencoe Subchaser 22: Re: What Do You Hate/Love The Most About Ship Modeling? 23: Close enough for horseshoes and handgrenades ... 24: Re: Ship Modelling Loves/Hates 25: looking for a ship's name 26: andrea doria.... 27: Re: SMML Topics 28: Re: USS INDEPENDENCE 29: painting the boot top 30: Re: Cant Sink a Old USN BB? 31: Re: Tail of Two Bismarck's 32: Da name for dis mob! 33: thanks to all who responded 34: Another VCR alert! UK 35: Onslow decals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: Hiding one's light under a bushell Hi gang, Was just browsing thru RMS & it seems that in the January 2000 issue of FSM, a SMMLie has been published ;-). Phil Kirchmeier has got an article converting a Buckley to Cannon DE. I look forward to reading that in few months time when Aus catches up ;-)) Well done Phil. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Summers,David" Subject: Painting Decks Everyone has their favorite method of painting decks. May I add my comments: I recommend using washes, since the essence of wood is being able to see different wood grains. Washes using various colors can show brush streaks from the different levels, giving depth to the appearance (it's one time brush streaks are actually helpful!). You can even achieve a "ripple effect" in the wood. I recommend enamels for this use--apply the next coat (different color) while the prior coat is still tacky; previous layers will "lift up" into the present present layer in rippled streaks, just like wood grain. Acrylics (and many of the newer high-tech enamels) will just mix together--not what you're looking for. The old Testor's enamels work best for this use; gloss better than flats. Wood grain is obviously more important in larger scale models, but looks nice even in 1/700. By the way, if you use a full strength gloss enamel shaking the bottle only minimally! over a contrasting still-tacky undercoat, you can get a magnificent varnished wood effect (obviously not appropriate for decks; good for inter-war masts and booms). Dry-brush technique is good for showing surface detail--like the caulking between planks, emphasizing edges and fittings. Dirt, grime and wear are on top of the wood, so dry-brush is optimum for those. Personally, I find pastels hard to work with with minimal adherance to the surface--appropriate for surface dust, however. Eye shadow from the cosmetics department seems to be finer than chalk powder [one weekend I was REALLY DESPIRATE!] and smudges the surface nicely--great for smoke effects and the tire/oil wear on a flight deck. You get a darker color that's way more permanent than chalk. (Watch out for "frost" in the color--gives a shiny effect.) I use a brush to paint deck detail after finishing the planking. Humbrol is a fabulous paint with good opacity which doesn't show brush-streaks--less of a concern in 1/700 anyway. If you really want to use an airbrush, the only way I can think of is to airbrush first, then apply a latex mask over the details you want to remain hull-color--latex is available in hobby stores (Micro-Mask is one brand). The latex protects the painted areas while you go after the deck. When finished, the latex peels off easily. Think of how easy it would have been if those fixtures weren't molded into the deck!!! Especially considering that those gray boxes and amorphous blobs are actually greenhouses and companionways, with windows and hatches and all sorts of neat surface detail! (Greenhouse window frames are available on a few of the PE sets, even in 1/700.) One more comment: Are there any models available of Adm. Togo's flagship at Tsushima, the Fuji? It's surprising: Tsushima is a great source of national pride for the Japanese; the ship had greater significance historically and nationally than even the ever-popular Yamato! D Summers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: What I love and hate about ship modeling Good idea for a thread. What I hate without a doubt is rigging. I can do a pretty good job but it takes me forever to get the rigging right. I'm blind in one eye, so I have no depth perception. Just try rigging with that handicap! I love to add the photo etch as well. In my opinion this is where the model really comes to life. The reason I started modeling ships was the delicate details like whip antennas, railing, radar, etc. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: On "What-if" models Derek raises an interesting issue: models of might-have-beens, should-have-beens, or could-have-been-but-weren'ts ;-) Do any SMMLies do those? I did a Montana out of two Revell 1/570 Missouri kits. It was a rush-job for a specific purpose, but the result--painted in overall Navy blue and taking into consideration that no PE or anything was used--isn't any worse than its parent kits. Research material (old habits die hard, eh?) for Montanas aren't plentiful, and what's available leave openings for interpretation. I'm sure there are other projects out there like this; anybody want to 'fess up to one? Steve Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Closet modeler I noticed one of the list guys said he had no room for a workbench in his home. A friend of mine had the same problem when his kids were still at home. He brought a whole new meaning to the phrase "closet modeler." He didn't want to work in his garage since it wasn't heated or cooled. We modelers will put up with a lot, but some things we just can't endure. He converted a hall coat closet (5'- 6 "x 2'- 6") into a nice work bench. Upon opening the door, the work bench was to the left (about 2'- 0" deep) and his display shelves were to the right of the door (about 18"). He also had shelves about the work bench for paint and supplies. He sat in the space left by the door between the bench and display shelves. A tight fit and he wouldn't be building any large models there but it did work. He told me about it at a club meeting and I had to see it myself. His kids have since moved out and he now lays claim to the extra bedroom. He never could have built that 1/48 Catalina in that closet anyway. Very ingenious. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" Unless there are more than one of these "closet modellers" around, I think I saw a photo of this in a modelling magazine (don't ask me which one, they're pushing us out of the house as it is). It was truly amazing! Right down to the two lights on either side of the closet to cast an even light. Myself, I think I would have made the trek out to the garage, I like LOTS of space!!! Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Tamiya/Skywave Bogue vs. Skywave Tracker Hello, Does anyone know if there are any differences between the Tamiya/ex-Skywave USS Bogue kit and the Skywave HMS Tracker kit? (besides the new tooling on the Tamiya kit) I'm interested in actual differences in the ships' arrangements and fittings between the kits. As far as I know, they are the same class of escort carrier. Thanks! Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Hate the Most The little woman saying to me "I wish you would spend as much time with me." So I say. "My model doesn't talk to me while I'm having fun." As apposed to you know who! Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: sinkanka@usit.net (Ann G. Sinkankas) Subject: Re: Anatomy of Nelson's Ships The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships is currently being published by US Naval Institue Press, but is listed as "out of stock" (i.e., in print but stocks temporarily sold out) by Amazon.com. You might try bn.com or borders.com as well. Regards, George M. Sinkankas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: What Do You Hate/Love The Most About Ship Modeling? Things I love about ship modeling include getting to paint some really interesting dazzle camo schemes, scratchbuilding masts, and converting kits from one ship to another (thoroughly enjoyed building my late-war Pennsylvania from the Revell 1/720 Arizona). There is also a certain time in the building process where the model starts to really come to life where the hull and superstructure are built and painted and I get to focus on adding deck fittings, main and secondary guns, AA, masts etc. This my favorite part of the whole process- short of putting the finished model behind glass! I also like buying new kits and getting a first look at the parts in the box (My fiancee can't understand why I get so excited looking at an unbuilt kit.) I don't think there is anything I hate about ship modeling besides the fact that I don't get to spend nearly enough time doing it! Things like my job seem to get in the way... Things I like the least, though, include fixing warped resin hulls, cleaning excessive flash from parts, and having tiny parts drop from my hands to disappear into that strange void between my hands and the floor, never to be seen again. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: INDEPENDENCE and Bikini Orange I'd take the assertion that INDEPENDENCE was in Measure 14 with a grain of salt, unless it's backed up from primary sources. Measure 14 was primarily used on yard craft and a few auxiliaries. I suspect that Terzabaschitsch did a bit of interpretation from the photo. INDEPENDENCE appears to be in Measure 21, which would be consistent with Pacific Fleet policy. As to including Bikini Orange in our chip sets--we're still looking for the right bikini to match (and there are so many to inspect...). John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Bainbridge >> Lone Star makes a kit of the Winslow in 1/192 scale and Gulfstream made a Bainbridge (DD1) The Bainbridge is oop but the Winslow is available << I still have one Bainbridge in stock. In a couple of months my article on scratchbuilding Winslow will be in Ships in Scale magazine. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: What I hate the most/what I like the most Hi Felix Hates I'm with you all the way on boot topping (waterline in the UK). The most attractive feature of the Japanese kits is their separate waterlines. I'm also not particularly fond of painting blast bags. Likes I really enjoy carrying out the research for a ship and then transferring this research to the model. It's also very satisfying to see the model gradually take shape as a representation of the real thing. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Loren Perry Subject: Missouri's WW2 deck color and fading memories >> Does this mean you will be changing the instruction sheet with your ww2 usn battleship fittings set? In those instructions it says that the decks were holystoned "until the natural wood color showed through" for the surrender ceremonies (except for the steel decks, which remained deck blue). << My answer to your question is "yes", they are going to be changed. When drawing up the instruction sheet to the GMM 1/350 WW2 Missouri set, I used as one of my references the book "Mighty Mo" by Gordon Newell and Vice Admiral Allan E. Smith, USN (Ret) ©1969 Superior Publishing Company, Seattle, WA, an excellent book for those modeling the BB-63. But on page 43 is a paragraph that begins, "Sunday, September 2, 1945 dawned with scattered clouds..." and ends with, "The light teak decks had been holystoned to gleaming perfection, wartime paint came off the ship's brightwork, and brass shone like gold in the sunlight of victory." The writer's memory evidently was a few days off, like other examples of well-meaning historians mentioned by Bob Santos in the previous post. Missouri's blue deck paint wasn't removed until a week or so later en route to Pearl Harbor. Recent publications of surrender ceremony Kodachromes taken that day prove beyond doubt the deck paint was still there. So I was foxed by this erroneous statement when I drew up the I-sheet for GMM 350-4 years ago. Around 2,000 sets have been sold with this mistaken color information, and I apologize to any and all who may have been led astray. I believe I'd mentioned this in a post on this site many months ago, but to those just encountering the problem, be advised that all of the Missouri's decks were still painted Deck Blue on Sept. 2, 1945. The GMM instruction sheet is due for reprinting early this coming year at which time it'll be corrected. On a related subject, the original GMM 1/429 Arizona instruction sheet had erroneous dates on the deployment of the different floatplanes aboard that battleship. They were based on one of the several ship modeler's references listed in the same I-sheet. After I'd found the actual dates in a more detailed publication that was released a few months later, I corrected and reprinted the I-sheets, but a few hundred had already gone out by then. As you can see, improving our product line is an ongoing project. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Joe Costanzo Subject: Loves and hates of modelling First, what I like: -Opening and examining a new kit. Like a little Christmas every time. -When building goes smoothly. If I can look at the project and feel that I've made progress, my day is made. -Completing a difficult step successfully. When I attempt something difficult or intricate, and it turns out good I can stare at it all day and feel good. I usually parade around the house and show it off to people, until they get annoyed and tell me to go away. -Adding the guns. This is something of a ceremonial last step in construction. Adding the weapons is a milestone, transforming an incomplete hulk into a warship. let's face it, it's all about the guns! (Damn, what am I going to do when I do Long Beach?) -Admiring the model when it is finally complete. I look over the intricacies, imagine I'm standing on the deck or bridge, and pore over it until I get a headache, either from the eyestrain or fresh paint. This is what scale modelling is all about Now, the stuff that bugs me. -Photo etch. Can't live with it, can't work without it. I have a real knack for mangling those delicate little parts, and somehow I always manage to bump the tree in such a way that it warps all the @$#$! railing -Painting little intricate areas. I manage to get a smudge of paint in the wrong place, so I paint over it. Then I get that paint on the area I was painting first, so I have to fix that. Then I get a tad more paint back on the area I just fixed. Then I fix that and get more paint on the other area, bump the jar and spill the paint all over my pants and the floor. Then I get yelled at. -ok, let's face it. I'm CLUMSY. If there is a delicate part, I will crush it at least once before I am done. I snap masts. I bend railing. I grab the ship right where I just placed a carefully assembled crane. And I drop things. Constantly. My rug probably has enough brass lost in it to make a tuba. My most recent gaffe was placing my protective case over my recently completed USS St Louis, only to set it right on the aft crane. Oops. Which is not what I actually said, I got grounded for what I said. And my parents aren't that strict with cursing. -Parents touching models when cleaning. After my Hood lost deck railing for the umpteenth time, I suggested my mother change her name to Bismark. She though I was cursing in German, which got me in more trouble. Even though I managed to write more on what I don't like, don't get me wrong. For me, the high points of building ships are definitely worth the aggravation. I'm certainly looking forward to doing more work on Iowa when I get home, curses and all! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) Delivered-To: shipmodels@tac.com.au Subject: Re: What Do You Hate/Love The Most About Ship Modeling? Hello to all What do I hate more in ship modeling: Well, first of all I hate to clean up the airbrush, if we take one afternoon to paint how many times do you have to dismount and clean up the airbrush??? Paint wood and other color decks that are different of the structures colors. Paint small things on the decks like hatches. I hate cleaned ship's, those that have just exited from the yard. I like them aged and weathered. What do I love most in ship modeling: Detailing the ship into the highest and perfection level (things that you need to make yourself) like cables, some radio antenas, etc. I love to paint camouflage schemes. Creating the diorama or base for the ship. Investigating the ship history and technical data. See the ship finished. Regards Filipe Ramires -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Humbrol 107 Hello again Does anyone know one equivalent to the Humbrol color 107 (WWI Purple). I believe that this color was discontinued. Regards Filipe Ramires -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: IJN Shinano Has anyone built the Hasagawa IJN Shinano 1:450 scale? It looks as though its been re-released but I never knew it was out years ago. I'm just woundering if its worth the $45.00 and if its at all accurate or will it need a major overhaul. Any help is better then none. Thanx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell Subject: Small town life Bill Gruner started what could become a thread, on the wonders of living in a small town. I have lived in what is (I believe) the smallest town in Massachusetts for 35 years - population just over 8000. It is great to know just about everyone in the town and address the selectmen and police chief by first names (two of the policemen used to be our paper boys years ago). Of course, we are not really out in the sticks (although, when we moved out from Boston, my wife's parents told everyone we had moved to the "country") Boston is 20 miles away and we have several super shopping malls within ten miles. Unfortunately, I have to drive about 30 miles to find a good hobby shop but there are two that specialise in trains within a couple of miles, where I can get paints and sheet and rod plastic/brass etc. The good feeling to be had from living in a small community (even if you don't work there) is illustrated by what happened to me last January. We had an influenza epedemic around the region and I got up one morning in late January gasping for breath. My wife called 911 and the conversation went something like this (I was a dazed bystander, so I will paraphrase): " 911 emergency" "Joe?" "Yes Marilyn what's wrong?" (Joe is the dispatcher; Marilyn, my wife. They have enhanced 911 so they know the name, number and address right away, even if you don't speak) "I need an ambulance" "Is this for Denis?" "Yes" "They are on the way" I tell this story to my city-dweller friends and they just shake their heads in wonder. So, Bill, settle in and luxuriate in a way of life that is rare today. It will take some time to get to know people and get them to accept your presence but if you are like me, there's nothing like it Denis Campbell Avon MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Torpedo Boats Lone Star Models makes a pretty good resin and white metal USS WINSLOW in 1/192 scale. Mike L Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Bubbles in resin I discovered a great tool for filling bubbles, IPOF it was specifically designed to do that type of job; a dental amalgam packer - the device dentists use to force filling material into a drilled out cavity. Works great. Found one for a few bucks on Ebay. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: mprager@juno.com Subject: Re: WWI Glencoe Subchaser Norman Friedman's "U.S. Small Combatants" is an excellent source for subchasers, PTs, Riverine craft, etc. If your library doesn't have it request the book through their Inter-Library Loan service and they'll get it from a library that does (no charge). The Glencoe kit doesn't have the K-tube type sonar installed on some of these boats, contact me off list and I can provide a drawing of it's location on the hull. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: mprager@juno.com Subject: Re: What Do You Hate/Love The Most About Ship Modeling? What I Hate Most: Ditto on painting the boot tops. What I Love Most: Just about everything else. I enjoy researching a subject (to the point with some models that I haven't gotten past the "I haven't got enough reference material yet" syndrome). Having my two sons (ages 9 and 4) help/watch ranks right up there as well (my oldest son won a model contest when he was 5, what a thrill for us both!). Finishing a project and seeing others enjoy it has got to be the greatest part of all. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Ed Grune Subject: Close enough for horseshoes and handgrenades ... I posted yesterday about the US Naval History Site and the Nevada in her orange dress. The caption information on the print said that she survived both the Able and Baker bomb drops (it does not say whether her crew could have withstood either of them). The Nevada was ultimately disposed of with using submarine launched torpedos. Thats somehow fitting! Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Rod Millard" Subject: Re: Ship Modelling Loves/Hates Hi, Personally I hate filing & sanding mold lines and flashing,seem to take for ever and you don' see any progress on the model. But what I enjoy most,I quess because I mainly do plastic sailing vessels is doing the rigging, Because your starting to really see the finished ship the way you have in your mind it should look. This for me is relaxing time of model making Regards Rod Millard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "feed" Subject: looking for a ship's name I am a chilean amateur modeller actually i have built 65 ships already.But i have one ship can't recall her name i bought it in the US long time ago (1981) I think it is a REVELL MODEL and I believe it is a Light Cruiser probably Baltimore class. Does anybody knows her name? appreciated -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "bob mcfarlane" Subject: andrea doria.... I was just wondering if anyone at SMML has ever come across a model of the Andrea Doria??? I've searched high and low through model stores, and the internet, but ......nada!! If anyone has any knowledge of ship, I would greatly appreciate any info you could provide. Thanks in advance...:) Cheers, Bob McFarlane. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML Topics Derek- My response was meant as a "jump right in and don't worry about the details". If you feel you can't build a model until everything is perfect in terms of research, kits, tools, etc., you're not having any fun! I simply meant that don't be intimidated by the information here to the point where you aren't even modeling, because first and foremost, it should be fun!!!! A hobby is something you do for yourself. People here are here to help each other, but don't suffer from "paralysis by analysis" to the point where it's not fun. If modelling is your hobby by all means build something. I have not, as yet, ever built a model I am totally satisfied with; but I keep right on trying. Hop in, buddy, and join the fun! Don't sit on the sidelines for 10 years! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: USS INDEPENDENCE No VFN-79 on INDEPENDENCE in the summer or fall of 43. Stefan Terzibaschitsch's books are downright horrible in describing color schemes and air groups. VFN-79 wasn't even established til March 1944 - Barrett Tillman's US Navy Fighter Squadrons of WW II. INDEPENDENCE started her shakedown cruise with F4Fs, SBDs and TBFs. Also, Warship International had an article on the design documents of the CVL-22 Class earlier this year. It had some really interesting photographs of INDEPENDENCE in her early stages and some very interesting statistics. I still have my WI issues in boxes from my move, but any SMML'er who subscribes to WI would have the issue and be able to say which of the four for 1999 it was. If not, let me know and I'll fight the battle of the boxes. Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: steven lau Subject: painting the boot top Rusty, thanks for your reply (and everyone else's too) to my question about painting decks. You mentioned masking and painting the boot top first and then masking and painting the side of the hull followed by the red undercoating. In my mind I envisioned it as easier to do the boot top last since that would seem to save some masking hassles. I would've thought that it would be easier to get one relatively simple demarcation line between the hull color and the red and then drive yourself nuts trying to mask two parallel lines for the boot top. Please educate me as to the advantage of the other way before I create needless work for myself. Thanks, Steven Lau, Lincoln, NE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Cant Sink a Old USN BB? Duane has a very good point! I think the guys at the Bikini Test just wanted to see "What would happen if we drop it here->", you know, like we used to do with those Lindburg Hood's and Bismarck's with BB Guns and M-80's. Now that was some really exciting fun, BLOWING SHIT UP-YEA! Well now, you get the picture. Yahoo! Steve Wiper - Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Tail of Two Bismarck's Stefan, Take it from someone who has BLOWN UP - YEA!, all three of the known kits of this ship (Tamiya, Academy/Minicraft, and Lindburg), they are NOT the same. They each are ranked in their order of quality, above, and for serious modeling, not to be confused with the EXPLOSIVE - YEA!, kind, the Tamiya kit is definitely the way to go. Plus the Gold Medal Models photo etch kit is the first step towards a stunning model. Thanks, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Da name for dis mob! Mistress Lorna wrote: >> as far as I'm concerned it will ALWAYS be a lunacy of SMMLies ;-)) << Dear Mistress Lorna; A fragrence of SMMLies. A nosegay of SMMLies. A boquet of SMMLies. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: "lcp9" Subject: thanks to all who responded I'd like to thank everyone who put their 2 cents in on the "Resin kits Engineering There of "questions. Most everyone liked the way we're doing kits now,so no major changes are expected on the casting side. Enough people like PE 20MM that we'll be adding them to future kits. On subjects people would like to see, there was no clear answer,preferances ranging from both fleets at Tsushima to modern European small craft. Furious & Pine Island were in the majority with only 3 requests each! A popular second choice was minesweepers, so we'll be releasing an AUK class ship in due course. (Once I've worked thru the bacvklog of masters sitting here!) Loose Cannon's next release will be a Haskell Class APA (VC2-S-AP5 Type Victory ship),.which is nearly finished now. Once again thanks for your inputs. David Angelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Another VCR alert! UK Friday 3rd December- Channel 4. 13.50 pm "The Yangtse Incident" starring Richard Todd, William Hartnell and HMS AMETHYST as herself. Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Shane Subject: Onslow decals Hi gang, Well it's very nearly finished, just some minor paint & pe work (railings) & it's done. Only thing is, I'm not sure which decals to put on her - the white or black numbers. I'm doing her in overall grey, before she got dazzle. I assume the black ones, but thought I'd check before I made a fool of myself & put the wrong ones on. Regards, Shane - back to the bench -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk/ for the back issue archive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume