Subject: SMML07/12/99VOL752 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 01:55:29 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: T-2 Tanker website 2: Re: Paint Chips - what next? 3: Re: S&S next colors 4: Re: Paint Chips - what next? 5: Modelling disasters 6: USS Saratoga Museum 7: Re: waterlining hulls 8: T2 Tankers 9: Re: paint lids 10: Modelcraft U-Boat 11: Re: Mission Capistrano 12: USS Philadelphia model 13: OSA Missile Boat 14: Re: Admiral Togo's flagship - Mikasa 15: USS Salem 16: Re: "What if/What was" 17: S & S CHIPS 18: German Deck Colours 19: Essex class carriers, post war. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Nichimo I-19 kit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Ferek, Ronald" Subject: T-2 Tanker website FYI: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Campus/3415/t2tanker.html Ron Ferek Arlington, VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Paint Chips - what next? >> Now that we're close to completing Royal Navy Set 2, it's time to ask about which to do next. RN2 will be the post-1941 standard colors. We have enough ship-specific colors to do (and will do) RN3. However, what would you like to see next: RN3 or Regia Marina? << Regia Marina. I would also love to see a post-war USN WWII set.....(please....please...oh pretty please!!) John R. Sheridan What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Last last place on earth I would look for the Lumber Cartel(tm) is http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: S&S next colors >> We have enough ship-specific colors to do (and will do) RN3. However, what would you like to see next: RN3 or Regia Marina? << Kriegsmarine! Hope I spelled that right. If not, then give us RN3. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Mike.Dunn@dresdner-bank.com Subject: Re: Paint Chips - what next? John wrote :- >> Now that we're close to completing Royal Navy Set 2, it's time to ask about which to do next. RN2 will be the post-1941 standard colors. We have enough ship-specific colors to do (and will do) RN3. However, what would you like to see next: RN3 or Regia Marina? << Is there really a choice? RN-3, modern RN please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Joe Costanzo Subject: Modelling disasters Ok, here's a question for all you smmlies or whatever we're supposed to call ourselves. Have you any modelling horror stories? Maybe your dog getting ahold of your 5-year masterpiece (or worse, your wife). Or perhaps dropping a heavy radio controlled car on your workbench (not that I've ever done that, of course). I'm in a bad mood and feel like hearing other people's miseries, dammit! My own horror story? I actually built the Lindberg Bismark from start to finish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: USS Saratoga Museum To New England SMMLies, As most of you probably know, the USS Forrestal, USS Saratoga and the USS Wisconsin (or the Iowa-I couldn't make out the numbers from the air) are presently mothballed at the Newport RI Naval Station. I just learned of plans to move the Saratoga to Quonset Point NAS as a museum. The whole plan and related text are at : http://www.wbwip.com/saratoga/ This is great news for we New Englanders as this will be the first supercarrier on display, and it's right in our own backyard. And it will give non-New England SMMLies a reason to visit the northeast. Enjoy, Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Re: waterlining hulls >> Using a Dremel Tool, attach a circular saw blade..... << I have been following this thread on waterlining hulls. Haven't done that myself but when cutting large parts which require some precision to maintain a straight line I use an Xacto balsa mitre saw blade. The stiff 5 in long x 1 in deep saw blade has fine teeth that allows one to scour short sections of the intended cut line. When satisfied with the direction the line is going cut deeper and join the scour marks into a single line. Having established a deep cut line it is easy to maintain that cut for through the rest of the object. The blade cuts into plastic and wood very cleanly and should cut into resin as easily too. Unlike a Dremel saw cut where a slip can cause a deep cut elsewhere that may require major repairs using the Xacto saw is almost fool proof and the waste in material minimal. That is if you change your mind restoring the ship to its original full hull should be as easy as glueing the halves together. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: T2 Tankers Hi Charles I have the following sold to civillian use Winooski (Samuel L. Fuller 1947) Lackawanna (Tatarrax 1947) Patuxent (David D. Irwin 1947) Neosho (Tascalusa 1947) Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: Re: paint lids Try replacing the paper lid seals with ones stamped from polypropylene coffee can lids. I place the lid on a scrap of wood and use an edge sharpened length of copper pipe tapped with a hammer to cut out the discs. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Bill Gruner Subject: Modelcraft U-Boat I believe this is probably the old 1/150 scale U-Boat that's cycled around the "recycle" manufacturers for a long time; it may have originally been a Doyusha kit. To call it a scale model is a stretch...a better description would be "semi-operating tub toy". Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: mprager@juno.com Subject: Re: Mission Capistrano I also have the venerable kit of the Mission Capistrano (AO-112), but had planned on building a later version, after it had been converted to a sonar test ship (AG-162). A large scaffold/hydrophone ship was installed amidships with a seachest directly below to lower the unit into the water. Another interesting conversion might be the MISSION DePALA as the REDSTONE (AGM-20), a missile range instrumentation ship. Pictures of both ships are in "U.S. Warships Since 1945" by Paul H. Silverstone, and ship histories can be found in DANFS. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Tirpitz70@webtv.net (Rich Hahn) Subject: USS Philadelphia model Hello, Can someone tell me who makes a Brooklyn-class light cruiser kit in 1/700? I am interested in making a Philadelphia model. I was planning on a US cruiser as my next project, and while reading Steve Ewing's great "American Cruisers of WW2", was impressed with the design, as well as Philly being my family's home town. What really convinced me was the cool fact that the Philadelphia was laid down on May 28, 1935, which is my Dad's birthday exactly! So I want to make it for him, he would love it. Thanks very much. Best Wishes, Rich Hahn Bensalem, PA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: OSA Missile Boat Just to follow up briefly on the comments about the OSA missile boat by Matt Prager and Dave Judy, the manufacturer of the kit was the short-lived Poseidon, a Czech firm I believe. It would be nice to see the molds reissued by somebody; they made some beautifully crafted kits. Mike L Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "David Hathaway" Subject: Re: Admiral Togo's flagship - Mikasa There is a card model of this in 1:400 for anyone who fancies something different. Pointers to catalogues have been posted before - a look in the archives will find them or contact me offline. David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Arthur" Subject: USS Salem Video " Battle of the River Plate " depicting the USS Salem as the Graf Spee. Some 6 weeks ago I was in contact with an SMML member ( from Canada ?) regarding obtaining a copy of this video for him. Said video in now in my grubby little hands so if he would like to contact me off line, I can pass it along. Unfortunately a complete systems crash has meant I have lost 5 years of internet info, names addresses clubs etc. It also means a delay to model building as the cash went to acquiring the latest in computer technology with all the bells and whistles. One way to clean out the deadwood I suppose !! Arthur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: mprager@juno.com Subject: Re: "What if/What was" The "what if" thread has been interesting, but what about "what was" - interesting ship conversions for modeling projects, such as: IX-304 USS ATLANTA (ex-CL-104), a CLEVELAND Class light crusier that was converted to an explosives test vessel. AG-128 USS MISSISSIPPI (ex-BB-41), with multiple gun/missile systems installed for it's role as gunnery training and testing ship. AGR-13 USS INTERDICTOR (ex-EDWIN H. DUFF), one of several liberty ships converted for use as radar picket ships. AG-157 USS KING COUNTY (ex-LST-857), which was used as a missile test platform for the Regulus missile system. These ships, and several more, would be interesting model subjects for any collection. Most have kits in production that can be converted with a little thought and effort. I have aquired materials for some and continue looking for others - they are on the "future project" list for me. Anyone else have "what was" ship suggestions? Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "John Rule" Subject: S & S CHIPS >> However, what would you like to see next: RN3 or Regia Marina? << I for one would like to see the RN fully covered before completing the Regia Marina even though I eagerly await that one also. John Rule -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Donald P. Steury" Subject: German Deck Colours If you're building Scharnhorst in 1943, you know that she mostly wore a dark gray (Stahlgrau) paint scheme with bow and stern painted light gray (Innenbordgrau). Steel decks--that is, everything not planked--were painted black. The main deck was planked, as was the shelter deck aft of the funnel--as in the Tamiya kit. Wooden decks on German ships almost invariably were left unpainted. However, a photo of Scharnhorst in Gdynia (Gotenhafen) following her post-Cerberus refit and repair appears to show her wooden deck painted Stahlgrau: it seems to be the same color as the superstructure; although one can make out plank seams, the caulking does not stand out; there seems to be an even reflectivity--all of which to me suggest paint. The photo is not clear enough to be conclusive, however, and it would be an anomaly. This photo may be found in Koop and Schmolke, Die Schlachtschiffe der Scharnhorst Klasse (p. 157) and Bredemeier, Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (p. 207). Stahlgrau was a dark gray with a subtle but distinct greenish tint--which drops out when reduced to scale (that's my theory anyway). It is the same color used on the bow and stern of Bismarck and other ships in the Baltic, 1941. I find that a straight mix of Floquil or Polly-S Grimy Black or Scale Black (not their night black--too much blue) with white produces the best results in matching all German grays in WWI & II. Also for the black decks. No post-Weimar German warship had external linoleum decks. Lino was used extensively in the Kaiserreich and in the Weimar-built ships, however. When used, the lino pieces were held in place with polished metal strips--the shiney square shape of the pattern they make on the deck is a dead giveaway. In WWII this breaks out thusly: pre-Dreadnoughts, lino shelter and superstructure decks. K-class cruisers, lino main decks and steel forecastle decks--no wooden decks. The pocket battleships apparently had lino shelter and bridge decks. Leipzig and Nürnberg, Hipper-class, Prinz Eugen, Scharnhorst-and Bismarck-classes--a mix of wood and steel decks. Happy painting Donald P. Steury -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "James owen" Subject: Essex class carriers, post war. Can anyone give advice on the length of time that U.S.capital ships, especially the Essex class carriers, would hve remained painted in camouflage colours after the end of the war? How long would it have been before they were painted in plain grey and would this have been likely to coincide with refits? Thanks, Jim Owen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Tom Eisenhour Subject: Nichimo I-19 kit If anyone has a 1/200 scale Nichimo I-19 kit that they'd like to sell, please contact me. Incomplete kits are OK too. 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