Subject SMML08/12/99VOL753 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 23:59:36 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: "Inbox review" of "Navires & Histoire" Vol 01 2: Looking for help 3: Re: Xacto saw and resin. 4: Re: Italian colors? 5: Re: Nichimo I-19 kit 6: Re: Navio da Republica Portuguesa 7: What-ifs galore 8: White Metal/Resin Fittings & Nitpick Question about Forrestals 9: Salem CA 139 10: Pearl Harbor 11: Re: Essex Class Post war 12: Poseidon OSA or Nanuchka or whatever 13: Lake Champlain 14: Clipping Room 15: Re: Modelling Disasters 16: Pearl Harbour 17: Re: T2 18: Re: MISSION CAPISTRANO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Hex punch and die set 2: IJN I-19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: "Inbox review" of "Navires & Histoire" Vol 01 Hi gang, Well Jacques Druel of L'Arsenal has sent me a copy of this new French mag as he promised for a subjective review. Now since I can't read French, I'll have to rely on Lorna for translation of it for a proper review, but here's my first impression. Merde, what a great magazine!! It's well laid out, with plenty of very good, well produced colour & B/W photos & drawings. Those of you who are familiar with French publications, such as Replic etc, will know the quality of the French magazines. I've had the good fortune over the last year to have picked up some Warship Internationals, plus I have borrowed & acquired a lot of Conway's Warship. This magazine has the potential to be a very good competitor to these titles. It contains articles on the following: The carrier Charles de Gaulle. The trio: Titanic, Britannic and Olympic The Battleship Vittorio Venetto(both 1880's & WW2) and her sisters The U-boot Type IXB at war and their service in the postwar French Navy. The Dutch Navy in 1939 on the eve of war. The Yalu battle (17 September 1894) The warships of the Industrial Revolution The sailing ship(Ironclad??) Duguay-Trouin 1805 All articles have a very good selection of photographs. There is a news section, book reviews & 7 pages of kit reviews covering resin, injected & etched brass. While I don't see it at the moment replacing mainstream model magazines(such as PSM, SMI, FSM, etc), at the moment it is a highly useful addition to the mainstream model magazines. Although I think they will stay with reviews only & not branch out into model builds, conversions, etc. So, in conclusion, if you see it - get it, it's worth it for the pictures alone(this is coming from someone who always hesitates before buying non-English books just for the photos, since I'd like to be able to read it as well). They have started out with a very impressive base on which to improve over subsequent issues. If I've read it right, it retails for 69 Francs(approx AUD$17.00) & is a quarterly publication. I just wish the French & other non-English publishers would realise the market for an English translation of this & other excellent magazines. My thanks again to Jacques Druel of L'Arsenal for sending me the copy. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ross Bruce-QBR000 Subject: Looking for help I'm wondering if any of the list members who live in the Washington D.C. area or anyone that might be planning a trip in the the near future to the National Archives would be willing to do a quick check on something for me. If there is anyone out there who this fits please contact me offlist at QBR000@email.mot.com to discuss the nature of the request. Thanks, Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Xacto saw and resin. >> The blade cuts into plastic and wood very cleanly and should cut into resin as easily too. << The blades fine teeth are made to cut plastic and wood. Using the saw on thicker resin parts will clog the fine teeth. If you're going to cut thick resin parts using a hobby saw, get the least teeth possible on the blade to prevent clogging. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Italian colors? >> I for one would like to see the RN fully covered before completing the Regia Marina even though I eagerly await that one also. << Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Regia Marina Italian? If it is, are there enough available models on the market (I'm familiar with B Resnia) to justify the time and expense producing the chips? To me anyway it seem to be a no brainer. WEM alone produces enough model kits to (in my view) justify going all the way with the RN colors. I'm in no way telling John and Randy how to run their business. I also have no animosity towards Italian models. I'm just curious. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" Hi Rusty, There are other Italian model producers, such as: Delphis Regia Marina Tauro Waterline Italia Also, Waveline, Imperial Navy(not sure what name they're trading under now), & Classic Warships do some Italian models as well. So there is defintely a market for the Italian chips out there. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Ramses Martinez" Subject: Re: Nichimo I-19 kit Tom, I have seen this kit is two Hobby Shops in the South Florida area Orange Blossom Hobbies (in Miami) and Warwick Hobbies (Plantation), I don't have their numbers on me now but it should be no problem getting it from directory assistance. I believe that the Kit in Orange Blossom Hobbies was cheaper at about $41.00. Regards, Ramses Martinez -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Nuno J. V. Rubim" Subject: Re: Navio da Republica Portuguesa Brian Selzler wrote: >> I was wondering if one of our Portuguese SMMLies could tell me something about an event that I recently came across while reading about the civil war in Spain. Apparently, in early September of 1936 the crews of two Portuguese warships mutinied against their officers and prepared to sail to join the Spanish Republican cause. However, Salazar ordered loyal forces to fire on the rebel ships and destroyed them because he was generally sympathetic and actually aided the Nationalist side fearing that the instability of the Republicans could upset the status quo in Portugal. Can anyone tell me which two ships these were and a little more about their destruction? << The two ships were the Contra-Torpedeiro (Destroyer) DAO and the Aviso de 1 Classe AFONSO DE ALBUQUERQUE. Another Aviso,the BARTOLOMEU DIAS, was also mutinied. The DAO and the AA tried to sail off the Tagus River on the 8th September,not to join the Spanish Republic, but to force the government to reintegrate 17 previously expelled sailors,although their sympathies were with the Republicans, but that possibility was really envisaged, as some survivors personally told me in 1975. The Coastal Batteries of the Bom Sucesso (15cm) opened fire and stradled the AA, wich sustained 10 killed and an unknown number of wounded,but none of the ships was destroyed. (Ironically the AA will ended in Goa,India, then a portuguese colony,forced to ground after being shelled and bombed by Indian Naval Forces,18th Dec 1961). After the surrender more than 60 sailors were deported to the new established concentration camp of Tarrafal, Cabo Verde Isl, where the majority died by starvation, endemic deceases (mostly malaria) and frequent tortures. The whole history is still to be written.... Nuno Rubim Portugal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: What-ifs galore What-if type models are my downfall. I'm always looking at what I've bought, and saying to myself, "What can I do with/to this model?" The only models I seem to build to specs are the ones I'm giving away for display. However, hypotheticals have three advantages: 1. Noone can tell you they're wrong. 2. I can practice modeling techniques on them, since if I screw up, so what? 3. There is no deadline on finishing them, so if I get stuck, it just goes back into the closet. What-ifs I've done or am doing include: USS District of Columbia, CB-7 Italeri Lutzow plus leftover Skywave US weapons and equipment, painted in Measure 21 USS Jersey City, AON-5 Glencoe NS Savannah converted to a fast fleet support ship USS John Paul Jones CV Varyag hull rebuilt to a US CVX design BGH HMS Anson Tamiya HMS KGV converted to an assault helo carrier w/ Sea Dart, based on the real Tiger-class conversions. A Tiger-class cruiser converted to a single-ended CG w/ Sea Dart. Revell/Germany CV Graf Zeppelin as if the Russians had finished and used her. (Need planes) Modernized CA Prinz Eugen, with a Tartar launcher, helo deck and hanger, Phalanx, Harpoons These keep the hobby fun, like it's supposed to be. I also make up stories about the ships, to the point of even creating a DANFS entry for the USS Jersey City. Fooled people on another email list with it, too. :-) (I'll have to do one for the USS DoC.) If you want ideas, check out Admiral Furashita's page at: http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/furashita/furamain.htm All sorts of hypothetical WWII ships, from serious to really wacky. Joe Poutre Co-webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: White Metal/Resin Fittings & Nitpick Question about Forrestals Hi All, Does anyone know of white metal or resin fittings in the "box" scales to replace those 1/542, 1/482, 1/278 etc...guns and other small parts? Do any of the ones on the market presently work? Nitpick Dept: Does anyone know off hand which hull is more accurate for the Forrestal Class; Revell's or the old Aurora kit. I recently acquired an Aurora Independence kit in the 60's configuration and it has L-shaped "fairings" to mount the props on where the Revell hull has the usual shafts and props. Some of us tend to overlook these very obvious items and I can't believe with all of the reference material I have, I can't come up with the answer to this one!!!! Any help or point in the right direction will be most appreceiated. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Salem CA 139 Just a note of intrest. The U.S.S. Salem CA 139 is being moved to drydock on 12/7/99. She'll be there in Boston for 60-75 days having her bottom cleaned and repaired. Forty years she has sat without being drydocked. The ship will be closed to the public while she is docked. The ships web page will be putting on line photos of the work going on. Regards, Keith Bender -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: YHSAIO@aol.com Subject: Pearl Harbor Hello: On this anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor, let us honor the memories of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice. On the subject of the attack of Pearl Harbor, there is an interersting article in the San Francisco Chronicle (make sure all Bay Area SMMlies save their papers) concerning the midget subs used by the IJN and their efforts. Prevailing wisdom had it that the subs did not achieve any successes; however Burl Burlingame hypothesised that at least one midget got within range to fire torpedoes at the West Virginia and Oklahoma. The article talks about Burl and the efforts of researchers to check out the hypothesis. It looks as if West Virginia and Oklahoma were hit by sub launched torpedoes. The UNSI's Naval History magazine will have an article on the subs. Of course, let's hope somebody can answer the great question: 5-D or 5-S? The truth is out there. Yunchi Hsaio -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Re: Essex Class Post war James, Many of the Essex Class were decommissioned in '46-'47 and placed in reserve service. The only photos of the Essex " Bird Farms" in mothballs (I have seen) are B&W so colors are tough to call. They probably didn't receive a new paint job until the modernizations took place. US Navy practice during that time was to "red lead" the rust and leave the rest alone. SOme of the Essex were mothballed in Bremerton(?), WA. They were pulled from mothballs to gear up for Korea and the "Cold War" and modernized. Many of them were reclassified as CVA "Attack Carriers"and saw action in Korea, Viet Nam and as deterrent forces in the Med. Most were decommissioned in the Early to Mid '60s when the "Forrest Fire" class and the first "SuperCarriers" came out. Lexington and a couple others were reclassified again as Training Carriers (AVT) or as Helo Carriers (LPH) and served into the late seventies and, in the case of Lady Lex, the mid 80's. The ships that remained in post war service probably got new paint soon after the shooting stopped. Many of them were pretty beat up and went to the yards for repair soon after the surrender was signed. The references I have list the following: Essex CV-9- SCB-27A (modernization) started 1/48 Yorktown CV-10: SCB-27A 2/51 Inrepid CV-11: SCB-27C 9/51 Hornet CV-12: SCB-27A 6/51 Franklin CV-13: Never saw post war service Ticonderoga CV-14: SCB 27C 7/51 Randolph CV-15 SCB-27A 6/51 Lexington CV-16: SCB 27C/-125A 7/52 Bunker Hill CV-17: No post war service Wasp CV-18: SCB-27A 9/48 Hancock CV-19: SCB-27C 7/51 Bennington CV-20 SCB-27A 10/51 Boxer CV-21 Remained in post war service Bon Homme Richard CV-31: Recommissioned 1951 SCB 27C/-125A Completed 11/55 Leyte CV- 32: Remained in Post war service Kearsarge CV-33 Decomm. 1951, SCB 27A- 3/52 Oriskany CV-34 Commissioned 9/50 after SCB 27A Antietam CV-36: Recomm 1/51 Rec'd angled deck but no modernization. Princeton CV-37: Recomm 8/50 Shangri La CV-38: Recomm. 5/51 Lake Champlain CV-39 Recomm 9/52 after SCB-27A Tarawa CV-40: Recommissioned 2/51 Valley Forge CV-45: Reclassified 1952 Phillipine Sea CV-47 Reclass. 10/52 The SCB modernizations included but not limited to the following: angled flight deck, new Island, new cats, engine upgrades, hurricane bow, reworked gallery decks, removal of most, if not all, AA self defense weapons, Deck edge elevators and a host of interior mods and upgrades. They also rec'd extensive upgrades of the electronics suites. (Radar and the like). The color pics of Lady Lex I have show Haze grey with black on the lower levels of the island. Fair Winds, Doc Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Jens H. Brandal" Subject: Poseidon OSA or Nanuchka or whatever There's a local modelshop that might have this kit on the shelf. I think it is the Nanuchka missile corvette, and was there last time I checked (don't know the price though). The name of the shop is Hopefully Soon to be a Modellers' Heaven, and is located in Tananger, Norway. The phone no. is +47 51 69 61 97, ask for Birger Apelseth. He's got an email address too - I think it is hsmh@netpower.no. In case of problems, drop me a line, and I'll try to establish contact. Jens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: CStger4064@aol.com Subject: Lake Champlain Hello, I am looking for a replica of the Lake Champalin (CV-39). My Father-in-law served on the carrier during the Korean war. Charles St. Germain 219-2583418 219-875-8454 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Darek Lipinski Subject: Clipping Room Hi All, Can somebody please explain to me what's the role of the clipping room. I've been studding plans of the Indianapolis (CA 35) when I found this structure just below the bridge, named "40mm clipping room". Just curious Darek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Modelling Disasters Hi; About 25 years ago I built the large plastic Constitution ( horrors!! A sailing ship!! Mildred, dear, he`s not one of OUR kind ). I finished it and put it on top of a bookcase. I don`t know how the beast got up there, but I found a small cat curled up around the main mast, model perfectly balanced. When I came into the room I must have startled kitty. She jumped up and unbalanced the ship. Ship and cat, tangled together, fell about 5 feet to the floor. Ship smashed, kitty running like h***! From that day on the cat used to bring me a (dead) mouse about every week or so. Go figure. Chuck Duggie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Arthur" Subject: Pearl Harbour For those interested in the Pearl Harbour diarama - and naval history in general, the following website may be of interest: http:\sbhoustontx.interspeed.net/cyberspace.html Be prepared to spend a considerable amount of time to explore this site !! Arthur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: T2 Hey s'guys... Thanks for all the info on the T2, and the references. Tis really appreciated. I found the website with the T2 info a few nights ago. I'm glad someone posted it here. Where any of the T2-SE-A2's ever configured to serve as oilers (fleet replinishment ships) rather than tankers (bulk carriers) like the Cimmaron cl T3's were? This goes back to the box art on the MC model. It shows the ship refueling a CV at sea? Of course, this is inaccurate, and I know that. However, were there any T2-SE-A2s that had the four king posts (???) aft of the bridge (with the refueling lines hanging down) like on the Cimmaron T3 ships? If not, but they were used as fleet oilers...how did all of this work? I admit, for someone who think's oilers look cool, my ignorance is really showing. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: MISSION CAPISTRANO John... I don't have any copies of _Ships in Scale_. In fact, I haven't even seen that publication around these parts. Any info on how I might back order that particular issue would be appreciated. Thanks for the references to the books. After I get the kit, I'll have to see about getting a few of those through an interlibrary loan. Oh, BTW John, as of 8 Dec, the check's in the mail for the USN paint chip sets. My apologies for the long delay (things have been hectic lately). Also, I got that list you sent. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Hex punch and die set A while back I saw an ad in FSM for a company that made hexagonal shaped punch and die set. Is this company still in business? I really want to buy one of these sets. If someone out there has a set they are willing to sell, please contact me off list. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: IJN I-19 We have them goto "Jap. Subs" page Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume