Subject SMML VOL 780 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:02:57 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Museum Exhibit Notice 2: Emerald class cruiser 3: Re: USS Panay 4: Re: Waterline mounting 5: Re: Model Shipways Paints & Superiority of USN 6: Re: Gluing plastic to wood and Perry Class answers 7: Re: Linoleum Colors 8: Re: New Year's Woes 9: Made in the US...??? 10: Re: fireworks barges 11: Small World 12: Japanese paint colours 13: Re: Japanese paint colours 14: Re: Plastic to wood adhesive 15: A request re: PHD 16: Re: USS PANAY 17: Re: More FRAM Stuff 18: Magazines that you read 19: Re: Response to A. D. Baker's Posts 20: Iron Shipwrights now on-line -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: NEW ITEMS IN STOCK 2: USN Warship Camouflage Update 3: Iron Shipwrights now on-line -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Museum Exhibit Notice I found the following notice in the December, 1999 issue of Undersea Warfare, an e-zine published by the US Navy Public Affairs "Design work is nearly 60% complete on a 3500 sq. ft. exhibit focused on Cold War submarines and submarine operations. The exhibit, titled Fast Attacks and Boomers: Submarines in the Cold War, will open April 12, 2000 in the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History in Washington D.C. " Check the magazine at this URL: http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/usw/issue_5/contents.html Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Miguel Costa" Subject: Emerald class cruiser Does anybody know if it is any manufacurer that makes the WWII british Edmeral class cruisers, 1/350 or 1/700 Scale. I want it to make a conversion, because the Spanish cruisers Miguel de Cervantes & Galicia & Almirante cervera, were very simmilar to this class. Thanks Miguel Costa Simón Palma de Mallorca, Spain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Panay >> My Wife(santa claus) gave me the USS Panay for Christmas......However My reference library is limited on this subject. so I need help with the following: (1) good set of Plans on everything above the waterline (2) what were the colors used at time of sinking (3) good source of 1/92 scale deck fittings. << I just finished that model and with a little work it is FANTASTIC. The FLOATING DRYDOCK has a set of drawings, there is a set of drawings in "US Small Combatants", and photos in "Yangtze Patrol" (both US Naval Institute Press). Be careful, all the drawings have errors and all differ. Pick a time period and stick to it (I see you want the date of the sinking). I built mine at an earlier date, 1935, and followind the color scheme of the Navy Yard model. There is nothing wrong with the deck fittings as supplied in the kit except for a few additions which I found spares for in the kit anyway (oil and water tanks). You could look in a shipmodel fittings dept for a tiny brass bell. I also added all the streering chains around the decks using GOLD MEDAL MODELS 1/700 etched anchor chain (Once all the rails are in place no one can see this chain!!!!!!!) cheers, Bob Santos PS: BTW.......... The most knowledgeable person in the world on PANAY and her sisters is on this list, I leave it to him to make himself known or not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Waterline mounting I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I have waterlined everything from a Tamiya 1/350 Enterprise to a Tamiya 1/350 Bismarck. I use a saw tooth circular blade in my Dremel tool and it goes through even thick plastic with ease. Be sure to use it on low speed to prevent melting the plastic. Once the hull is cut free, I mount it to the base using artists Gel Medium mad by Liquitex. This stuff also works great for water. Problem is, you can't make large waves with it. I guarantee you, once the Gel Medium has dried, the model will go nowhere. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: Model Shipways Paints & Superiority of USN Hi all & Happy New Year!; Model Shipways Paints: I am interested in purchasing Model Shipways Snyder & Short paints myself and after reading Michael Eisenstadt's review I am wondering if anyone else has tried them yet; particularly the pre-war USN and RN colors. Has anyone from Snyder and Short seen the colors yet? USN Kudos to Loren Perry's thoughtful reply. I too am from a family that has served long and with disticntion in the USN and wholeheartedly agree with Loren's reply. Facts are facts and if they tick people off, so be it. Dave and others should not be accused of "flaming" by folks who simply don't like or agree with their comments. The "politically correct" of this world would have us all believe that everything is rosy and bright and no one can claim one thing is better than another. Well, not being politically correct myself, I must agree that the USN is the "best of the best". Facts are facts. No other navy has the breadth and scope, even in it's present reduced size, of the USN. True, it is the best financed. This should only help it maintain it's present level. To those who seem offended by the comments about the USN, I ask them to look at the Facts. The USN provided the main punch to defeat the Axis Navies in WW2. Whenever there has been a conflict or hotspot around the world since, it has been USN Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups that have responded. To those who point out mistakes in the heat of combat, I trust you remember the mistakes and setbacks suffered by the RN during the Falkland Island Liberation. The fog of war is kind to no one and Murphy's first rule applies: "If it can go wrong it will and at the worst possible time". Anyone who has been to sea can tell you the sea is the great equalizer. All ships and certainly people are equal at sea. The other Navies of the world are all professional and have first-rate equipment and sailors. Any ship that is capable of completing military missions on the high seas can be nothing less. Nor can those who crew them. Pride in ones own Navy should not require that you have your "tongue in cheek". Especially, when the facts support the conclusion. To all our friends around the world, I ask what would you rather see in time of international emergency; the enemy(yes folks, this world is still a dangerous place) or a USN Task Force. Many, many people around the world in the last 100 years have selected choice b. Again, Happy New Year to all!!! And to all of our Military Personnel from every country who are serving their respective nations away from home and family on Land , Sea and Air, may 2000 FINALLY bring Peace to the entire world. John. Hi John, While I won't argue about the USN's role in the Pacific, against the IJN. I think you may be overstating the USN's role in the Atlantic, etc. I think you'll find that the RN/Commonwealth navies & others, had a bigger impact in the ETO. Now US shipbuilding capability is another thing, without it, the Allies wouldn't have been able to replace the shipping lost or refit their warships. Just me opinion, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Gluing plastic to wood and Perry Class answers >> I want to glue .010" styrene to the plywood deck of an FFG-7 (1:96 scale) to simulate steel. Can anyone suggest a good adhesive for plywood to plastic? Is the entire FFG-7 deck non skid? << I use super glue to attach plastic sheet to my Bass wood master patterns. I also coat all my wood parts with super glue then sanded smooth if you want to go that route. The Perry class decks I believe are all nonskid material (or a coating of non skid paint) except for the helopad and mast decks. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Linoleum Colors >> There are several Japanese publications illustrating 1:700 scale models in color and showing, where linoleum is used, a milk chocolate brown. Snyder & Short's excellent sheet of color chips however shows linoleum as a dark reddish-brown. Which is correct? << Hmmmm, a loaded question for the Paint Guys: is their color correct is someone else's? Mike, I have to tell you that we think our color is as accurate as the state of the art and current research allows. It's an exact match to a Japanese source that reproduced the color in paint. That's critical, because the illustrations you're seeing in those publications are reproducing a color in inks; the two media are entirely different in the way they produce--or reproduce--colors. Add in the factors of photography of the models (was the lighting properly color-balanced with the film, etc.?), processing of the film (were the chemicals fresh and uncontaminated?), transfer of the images to a 4-color printing process, etc., and well.... Our IJN linoleum color is an exact match to the Japanese source material we had at hand. Now, was THAT source accurate? Short of diving on some wreck, all we can say is that we believe it to be. Steve Wiper has a VERY small piece of IJN linoleum in his possession. It is a bit more yellow than our color chip, but has never been corrected for linseed oil yellowing/darkening (just like paints, linoleum was a linseed oil-based product and subject to the same photochemical processes). I would not describe its color as milk chocolate. All in all, we'll stand by the accuracy of our color. >> I have always assumed that the milk chocolate color was correct following RN practice since many of the pre-WW1 Japanese ships came from Britain and would have been so fitted on delivery. I know German and French linoleum was reddish in color, and the paint chip from S&S seems to be much the same, so could it be that the IJN was following this practice? << Well, if you'll compare the IJN linoleum color to that of the Corticene (RN linoleum) in our RN Set 1, you'll find they're not that far apart. We'd always heard Corticene described as "milk chocolate" too. But whose milk chocolate? Go to the store and buy several brands--oh, and get some domestic British milk chocolate as well. Lay them out side-by-side and check out the color variation. Let's see, we probably also need to figure out who was supplying chocolate to the RN in 1939.... "Milk chocolate" appears to have simply been a convenient descriptive point of reference, rather than an exact descriptor. Thanks to our RN source, we know we've got Corticene spot-on, and it's got more red in it than anything I would personally call "milk chocolate," but what the heck... All of which is a long-winded way of saying that we're sure of our Corticene color, and as sure of our IJN linoleum color as state-of-the-research allows (and certain it's far more accurate than ink-printed, photo-reproduced images in publications). If further research indicates corrections or revisions to that chip, we'll be at the head of the line to make the corrections. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys Hi John, Tell you what, you supply the Mistress with the chocolate samples & the colour chips & I'm pretty darned sure she'd be able to confirm the colours ;->>>. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Rule" Subject: Re: New Year's Woes Being that I am not a survivalist by nature, I did not ensure a backup water supply, or a secondary heating source, or even a supply of candles (mind you if my wife lit all the decorative ones scattered around the house you could see us from the moon). However, there is no way I would entertain entering the new millenium without enough single malt to last until at least March. Cigars I can live without but if I was addicted I would treat them the same as single malt. With regard to the recent Dave Baker thread I feel more comfortable now that the discussion has evolved to more defensible particular statements, whether they be right or wrong or whether I agree with them or not. The power of this web page astounds me. With regard to my favourite tool, I think it would have to be the bastard file. Although it doesn't help me much in my ship modelling, it means I can say "bastard" every time I stick my fingers to the photo-etch, and then explain to the wife and kids that I wasn't swearing but was merely trying to find my file. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Mike Dunn" Subject: Made in the US...??? Rusty wrote >> The "camera on top" is the PHALANX Thermal Imager or Electro-Optic (EO) device made by Pilkington Optronics in Glasgow Scotland. << Hey! Does this mean the almighty US Navy has to rely on another country for an essential part of a weapons system? Shock horror! Especially bearing in mind recent comments about the US Navy! Look forward to seeing the new version, Rusty. Mike <"incoming detected - revert to hardened stations"> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Mike Dunn" Subject: Re: fireworks barges Chris, You can get multi-block fireworks reasonably easily - only problem will be size. Saw the remnants of about a 50-times repeater in the local park - box must have been 8" cubic. Hope this helps, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Small World Well folks, I did it again. Here I sit, completely dumfounded over my lack of powers of observation. For the last few weeks I've been referring to a 1:800 scale plan of the USS Oriskany in my JFS 72-73. I've been using it to note differences and trying to figure out how to modify the Lex model's flight deck and island to match that of the Oriskany's. Although it's not super/extremely/highly detailed, it's decent. Therefore, lacking any plans of the Oriskany (and given the differences between it and the earlier SCB-125 ships), my idea has been (once I figure out the math) to blow these up to make a pattern to serve as a guide to fix the flight deck, island, etc. Like I said, I've been looking at these for weeks now (years actually, but...), but today I noticed the notation... "Drawing by A. D. Baker" *DOH!* Yet again, I find I'm using a reference created by someone I've been in contact here on the list. Jeeze, it really is starting to be a small world. Feeling like I just got hit with a stupid stick... _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org Hi Derek, Dave's also the Editor of "Combat Fleets of the World" & has contributed many articles to the maritime press over the past 20-30 years. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Japanese paint colours Hi all, and a happy new year! I am currently tackling the Skywave Akitsushima, Chogei, Jingei and Akashi kits with assistance from the brilliant GM PE sheet. As a plug from a satisfied user it has everything to cover Akitsushima, Asashi and ONE of the other two plus one old Aoshima Chiyoda/Chitose seaplane carrier. The only exception is that it is very short of DF Loops but does give enough parts to detail the floatplanes of both Jingei and Chogei. Painting query. I have the S&S brilliant chip sheet for IJN which breaks the greys down among 4 military Arsenals - Kure, Sasebo, Maizuru and Yokosaka. My primary reference (JJM) talks of Akitsushima being built in Kawasaki, Kobe; Chogei and Jingei as Mitsubishi, Nagasaki; and Akashi by Sasebo. The last is easy, but to what naval arsenal were the Kawasaki and Mitsubishi yards attached? For that matter Mitsubishi features heavily in destroyer construction too along with Uraga Dock, Toyko and Fujinagata Z, Osaka and others. Is there a list anywhere of the relationship between the various non-military construction sites and the naval arsenals? Help please! The Akitsushima kit shows a simplified paint scheme on the rear but a camoflauged one on the front of the box and a plan of this (one side only and no deck view) in the plans. This last talks of a "young grass colour" - is this one of the IJN carrier greens in the chips? It also gives only Japanese instructions for a motled camoflauge - from the box art this appears to be off white over the basic grey - comments from anyone please? For those buying by mail order a warning - the box art for the Jingei shows her in late war fit with type 21 radar and 25mm AA (6x2 shown). The actual kit inside the box however is identical to the Chogei - pre-war fit with no alternate parts. The only difference kit-wise is in the bridge structure. Also, references I have seen suggest Jingei never received type 21 - but the Chogei did. Thanks John Sutherland in Sunny Wellington, New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Japanese paint colours Hi to John and Rusty, Happy New Year from sunny--if chilly--Sacramento, California (where it should be raining and we're going to have a serious drought next summer if it doesn't start soon). We haven't done enough research yet to tie the non-military shipyards and the IJN yards. Do you have any information as to where these ships were based after completion? That should give an indication of the proper gray to select. >> The Akitsushima kit shows a simplified paint scheme on the rear but a camoflauged one on the front of the box and a plan of this (one side only and no deck view) in the plans. This last talks of a "young grass colour" - is this one of the IJN carrier greens in the chips? It also gives only Japanese instructions for a motled camoflauge - from the box art this appears to be off white over the basic grey - comments from anyone please? << "Young grass colour" sounds to me like the lighter of the two carrier greens. However, we believe there were more IJN colours than the 8 we have in our set. We just have not been able to conclusively identify others, nor to obtain reproducible samples. I'd think you would be safe to use the lighter carrier green. Unless someone out there has evidence to the contrary, who's going to challenge you? As to the rest of her camouflage, I have a Japanese-language book of paintings of IJN ships that includes AKITSUSHIMA. In addition to the false bow wave and false wake, and mottlings on her hull, crane, and stack, it shows her carrying diagonal dazzle-type stripes forward, in various shades of gray. I can scan it and e-mail it to you, if you'll let me know what format you prefer: JPEG, GIF, Photoshop EPS, TIFF, etc. Thanks, John, for the kind words about our paint chips. We should be releasing Royal Navy Set 2 around the end of January, followed by RN3, Regia Marina, and Kreigsmarine later in the year. Best, John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Plastic to wood adhesive Hank Christen" enquired: >> I want to glue .010" styrene to the plywood deck of an FFG-7 (1:96 scale) to simulate steel. Can anyone suggest a good adhesive for plywood to plastic? Is the entire FFG-7 deck non skid? If not, what areas are non-skid? << A Professional modeler friend of mine builds all his models out of wood and uses large amounts of instant glue(cyanoacrylic) to bond thin Styrene to the surface for final finishing. His models are beautiful and solid. I am currently building a 1/96 FFG7 as well and I have opted to use Plexiglas for the deck. In the photos I have seen, the whole deck is painted modern deck grey with the landing pad a darker grey. Each ship seems to have slightly different areas of the deck that have darker walkways. I'm not sure if this is an extra heavy non skid coating or just freshly painted. The ships I have been on mix the non skid paint on ship (the non skid material has the appearance of metal file shavings and makes the paint darker, I don't think it's metal though), therefore they can add as much as they want to the paint to produce a heavier coating. Get some photos of the ship you want to build to use it as a guideline. If you can't find any, I can scan some in for you that show you what I mean. *** A note to any Canadian SMMLies around Toronto, if anybody would like to try to get together and combine our efforts to get to the SMML convention in May, send me a note off list and maybe we can arrange something in time. For the easily bored, the rest is drivel. My sense of self preservation is screaming at me to keep out of the 'best navy' ramblings, but being the idiot I am, I just can't resist attempting to be a voice of reason like a couple of others have tried to do. I think the argument of whose navy is best goes away from the original statement. I may be wrong (it wouldn't be new), but I believe Dave indicated that he was referring to the US's ability to integrate systems in the shipbuilding industry. As far as the US Navy goes, all I can say is that they are big and can be almost everywhere at the same time. As far as ships and equipment and the ability to coordinate and integrate all the systems, I would suggest that it is more complicated than at first presented. There are companies that have offices and development labs in several countries, Some are US companies, some are British, Italian, French and others I haven't mentioned, I would imagine that some are British or French or whatever owned by US parents. Either way, it is very multinational. Technology can come from many places and the US uses foreign technology just like everybody else. Systems are created and integrated, then integrated into ship designs by companies and navy designers all working together no matter what country the shipyard is in. I would venture to say that foreign contractors work in US ship yards and help the integration. I know of several Canadians that assisted with various things in US shipyards, maybe it is an exception, but I doubt it. I also know people that work at Litton in Toronto who wrote some software for missile guidance that the US designers couldn't beat for accuracy. And what about the US shipyard reps who visited St. Johns Shipyard to learn the technology for building our latest frigates. There are many other examples of international cooperation and I offer these only for reference and not as statements of superiority, because most western nations cooperate at various levels of shipbuilding and integration mainly because so many companies are multinational and it is cheaper. The US might not use foreign content as much or as obviously as others, but they do do it. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. There, I've said my piece. Let the return fire fall as it may, I'm off to my snowy bunker. No wait, it hasn't snowed yet, where am I? this can't be Canada! I've been kidnapped!!! Somebody send help! Oooh that's better, I found my medication.... Darren Scannell A wanna be Canadian peace keeper. PS I liked the Paris fireworks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Mike_C Subject: A request re: PHD I lost my copies of the Pearl Harbor Panorama and all the individual photos to a hard drive failure. I've been trying for months to get them from Jeff, but without result. Do any of you members have the full set of images? Please contact me at: mailto:mike21@mediaone.net so we can arrange to send them, either by e-mail or I can mail a Zip disc for copies. Your help is appreciated. Thanks. Mike Czibovic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Re: USS PANAY Gary: The Floating Drydock has an excellent set of plans in both 1/48 and 1/96 scales. Check their list at www.floatindrydock.com or through Tony at Modeler's Boatyard at: http://www.modelersboatyard.com Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: James Corley Subject: Re: More FRAM Stuff Joe Costanzo  wrote: Does anyone know which hull numbers constituted type B of Gearing class FRAM I conversions? Also, I read that the standard peacetime practice for the USN in the 60's and 70's was to use deck blue for horizontal surfaces. Is this true? << dON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANSWERED YET, BUT HERE IS WHAT MY DATABASE SAYS (oops!). Source is "Sumner-Gearing Class Destroyers" by Sumrall. And the color answer is "no" By the late 60s, the navy had gone to Anti-skid gray (close to Engine Gray.....very dark, hides lots of stains) on the decks and the same "normal" color on other horizontal surfaces. Gearing 710 Eugene A Greene 711 William R Rush 714 William W Wood 715 Wiltsie 716 Theodore E Chandler 717 Hamner 718 Epperson 719 Southerland 743 William C Lawe 763 Rowan 782 Gurke 783 McKean 784 Henderson 785 James E Kyes 787 Hollister 788 Eversole 789 Benner 807 Corry 817 Holder 819 Rich 820 Johnston 821 Robert H McCard 822 Samuel B Roberts 823 Basilone 824 Myles C Fox 829 Hanson 832 Herbert J Thomas 833 Charles P Cecil 835 George K McKenzie 836 Sarsfield 837 Power 839 Glennon 840 Fiske 842 Warrington 843 Osbourn 846 Robert L Wilson 847 Richard E Kraus 849 Joesph P Kennedy, Jr 850 Rupertus 851 Leonard F Mason 852 Charles F Roan 853 Vogelgesang 862 Steinaker 863 Harold Eillison 864 Charles R Ware 865 Cone 866 Brownson 868 Arnold J Isbell 869 Fechteler 870 Damato 871 Forrest Royal 872 Hawkins 873 Henry W Tucker 875 Rogers 876 Vesole 878 Leary 879 Dyess 880 Bordelon 881 Furse 882 Newman K Perry 883 Floyd B Parks 884 John R Craig 885 Orleck 886 Brinkley Bass 887 Stickell 888 O'Hare 889 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: WVeigele@aol.com Subject: Magazines that you read Gary, An excellent magazine is Okrety Wojenne. It is an impressive journal-like publication. It has lengthy articles about ships with specifications, many photographs, and engineering drawings. It helps if you can read Polish. I cannot, but I enjoy the magazine. It's address is Krzywoustego 16, 42-605 Tarnowskie Gory Polska/Poland email: okrety@polbox.com Good reading, Bill Veigele -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: Response to A. D. Baker's Posts In my younger days, these were known as 'sea stories'. As for FDR going aground and breaking its back, in a word - hogwash. Remember the free press? Picture a ship that big, aground with its back broken - how do you get it off without broadcasting to the world? I would add one point to this debate - if you feel Mr Baker's comments were in poor taste or nationalistic, I suggest you spend some time reading the comments of citizens of other nations on the Warships of the World site. They make Mr Baker look like the very essance of moderation. Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bill Gruner Subject: NEW ITEMS IN STOCK Dear Shipmodeler, Happy New Year...I don't think the Millenium bug bit anyone, definitely not us, hopefully not you and yours either. Here are a few things which we have in stock and may not have been listed in our new (December) UPDATE, which is now being posted online on our website: Nichimo 1/500 NAGATO and MUTSU plastic kits....$32.00 each New Book...Kai-jinsha (Ships of the World) "OLD SHIP ILLUSTRATIONS". This book is the 3rd in Kaijinsha's series if ship painting and illustration books, and mainly features the superb work of Japanese illustrator K.Kabashima. Most of his work was done in a variety of black and white mediums, such as pencil, pen and ink and fine woodcut or linoleum prints. There are some rare color illustrations, probably watercolor and pastel, done during the 1930s and 1940s, of mainly Japanese ships & scenes, from the days of sailing ships, to the Russo-Japanese War, through WW 2. The overall subject matter is mostly Japanese naval and merchant of the WW 1 to WW 2 period, but other eras and types of ships are represented. Full ship illustrations and detail illustrations of various parts of ships, figures, etc. are presented; a truly extraordinary collection....IN STOCK......$22.00 Hasegawa 1/700 Hi-Grade, Full-Hull models in stock...I have 2 aircraft carrier Akagis and one battleship Kongo in these special release boxes, that include hull bottom, photoetch and some white metal parts such as props and shafts......$49.00 each We hope to have our complete catalog online on our website by late January. Our website will also feature some considerable upgrading and revision. Thank You, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: USN Warship Camouflage Update I have just uploaded a bunch of goodies to the USN Camouflage website! http://home.earthlink.net/~jrsheridan/ I have created pages that display a sample of every camouflage measure; from MS1 to MS33. I have also added complete copies of Ship camouflage instructions (SHIPS-2) for January 1941 and September 1941 These two copies are the first edition and the first revision of SHIPS-2. I will soon be adding SHIPS-2 for June 1942 and the March 1943 Supplement as soon as I finish the drawings. Enjoy! John Sheridan Visit my USN Ship Camo site at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jrsheridan/ I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Iron Shipwrights now on-line Hi Everyone, Iron Shipwrights is now on line at: http://www.commanderseries.com Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume