Subject SMML VOL 785 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:25:15 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: LST References 2: Re: Gato Class sub 3: Re: Post War Flight Decks 4: British Warship Names 5: Life preserver colors 6: Most Decorated Ship 7: Re: USS TEXAS AND VIKING 8: 5" & 3" 9: Re: Even more FRAMquestions 10: Re: Post War Carrier Flight Decks 11: USS Oregon City 12: Carrier flight decks 13: USS Enterprise CV-6 colors 14: Revell Essex 15: China Gunboat Mystery Kit 16: SCHOKOKOLA 17: Re: Canberra Bomber 18: Re: Gato class submarine question 19: casting kit 20: superior navies, 2 more cents 21: Re: USS INDEPENDENCE CVL-23/A-BOMB TESTS 22: SMS Konig in 1/350?? 23: USS Indianapolis 24: Jim Baumann's Warspite model 25: Ship Book 26: PAINT QUERIES 27: Re: USMC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Commander Series update 2: January Navismagazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ed Grune Subject: LST References Gene Try the LST Sailors Association. They have an interesting photo section at: http://www.abiz4me.com/Lstphotos.html Start there and surf around. Ed Mansfield, TX Were we've had about our first significant rain since April and we're still about 10" behind for the period. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Gato Class sub >> am building a 1/72 scale Gato class sub for a client an I have a question. I need to know the details concerning the deck. It was designed for water to flow underneath it. However, there was a sort of lattice pattern to the deck. I also have some more questions if someone would contact me off list. I'm not a big sub fanatic but I want to get it right. << Rusty- Not sure what you mean by lattice pattern(?) The deck was made of narrow slats of teakwood, with spaces in between for water drainage. Have LOTS of WWII Fleet sub information at hand. Will contact you offline. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: Post War Flight Decks Chris Neel wrote: >> Check out the following picture postings for the USS Midway. According to the web site, these pictures were taken during a Mediteranean cruise in 1953 - 54. My favorite shot is the "F9F Cougar on deck from Vulture Row" - great color photo of a Cougar showing the metal deck painted in Deck Blue(?) or maybe its the gray color others have refered to - difficult for me to tell - I've yet to obtain my S & S color chip charts to compare.... but definately with "yellow" striping - see also the photo "Flight deck from Vulture's Row". At this time the Midway is still a straight deck carrier... http://www-personal.umich.edu/~buzznau/53-4medcrs.html << About a half a dozen pictures down from Chris's favorite F9F shot is one titled "Hubba Hubba Hubba". It makes me wonder what the sailors in the foreground and background are looking at to the right of the young lady in the 1950s bikini on the French Riviera. Inquiring minds want to know ... Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: British Warship Names Hi Sam The answer is yes. However, there is often some messing around as various names are considered and then eventually rejected. For example two names that were allocated but dropped were 'Cromwell' and 'Jellicoe'. If things drag on for long enough then the name will be allocated after the ship has been laid down. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Douglas Bauer Subject: Life preserver colors Does anyone know the colors of WWII-vintage USN shipboard ring-type life preservers? Were they standard Navy haze gray or International Orange? Doug Bauer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Most Decorated Ship What about the Jervis and the Dido, surely they saw much more action that the USS Enterprise. I would think that the Jervis, which had six full years of continual combat and was never damaged MUST take the trophy, no? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Russell Smith" Subject: Re: USS TEXAS AND VIKING Rusty. I saw your post a couple of months ago. unfortunately it was after I had bought the model. But/ I argee with you about Viking. This is partially my fault too. I buy many models and have about a six to seven month backlog before starting them. This just proves I should pay more attention went they arrive and check closer. I would still like the parts but I not holding my breath! Thank you for your answers and other people too. I will see if I can pickup some more Skywave DE's a few more won/t hurt and I don't have many options for 5" open guns or 3" other than that. Maybe one of the better resin manufacturers will start making them and other upgrade parts the way WEM does! Hoping and building! Cheers. Russ Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Russell Smith" Subject: 5" & 3" Thanks Marc Your comments about Bogue and Independence classes and spares reminded me that I how at least one of both here somewhere Thanks again Russ Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: Re: Even more FRAMquestions >> Well, I have finally decided which FRAM ship I am modeling, USS Glennon DD 840. My questions are directed to the squadron insignia displayed prominently on the forward deckhouse. 1) How can I find out which squadrons Glennon served in, particularly in the mid to late sixties? 2) If I can find out, where would I get the squadron insignia decals? I have no facilities for making these at home. Would any decal set offer such a specific marking? << Joe, In 1970, I believe the Glennon was part of DesRon 12. I am almost positive she was in our squadron when we did the North Atlantic that summer. The Squadron consisted of Glennon, Glover, R.L. Page, Edward MacDonald, Garcia (my ship) and I believe the Forrest Sherman. I have a JPEG file of the DesRon 12 logo. Contact me off line if you want it. You may also want to contact The Tin Can sailors assoc: http://www.destroyers.org They may have some info about squadron markings. Good Luck. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: Re: Post War Carrier Flight Decks >> Can anyone help out (Derek?) with the question as to which post-WWII USN CV & CVA's had wooden or metal flight decks? I thought all of the Essex-class ships had Douglas fir? Also, did the Midway's? Were the decks converted to metal when they were upgraded to angle decks? And lastly, were they reverted back to Natural Wood/Yellow or White Striping postwar? << John, I believe the Midway's were the first Armored Deck carriers in the US fleet. I believe they did not have wood at all. I know for certain the Forrestal class and newer did not. The Essex class carriers all had wood flight decks, even after their modernization's. I have never seen or read of any post WWII carrier which reverted to the prewar practice of Natural Wood/Yellow or White Striping. White striping was used on the gray flight decks. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Lou or Arthur Costanzo Subject: USS Oregon City Friedman says the same thing as Toppan, that the Oregon City was apparently defective, but the specifics are not given. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Carrier flight decks The Raven Essex book has info on Essex decks - essentially while they remained wood after modernization (except for landing areas) they gradually acquired lots of different surafces. Some were steel, some were "panels" of plywood coated with nonskid paint, and some were polyurethane and nonskid paint applied directly to the planking. Each deck had different surfaces in different areas, and I'm sure there were variations between the ships as well. I disagree partially with Craig that the wood decks were never replaced after the war - when the underlying flight decks were strengthened in the 1950's, new square tie downs were put down which would have requiredt the very least removing the wood and then replanking around the new tie downs. Were the decks completely replanked, or was the original wood reused. My guess is the former, but I have no idea. But there is one caveat - there is a WWII tie down strip just forward of the aft expansion joint (between the elevator and the island) on several photos of the Yorktown in angled-deck operations in the 1950's. Why it is still there I have no idea. I have pointed it out to Steve Ewing with the Yorktown museum since (two years ago) they replaced Yorktown's wood flight deck with poured concrete (he wasn't happy about it) and I was curious if it was still there under the plywood panels. My assumption was that during refits they stripped the flight decks to bare steel, reinforced them, welded down new tie downs, then completely replanked, and this strip just got left because it was so close to the expansion joint it wasn't worth removing. That probably means that, if the Cabot (CVL-28) is scrapped, that 4" x 100' strip may be the only authentic remnant of a WWII flight deck that isn't at the bottom of the Pacific. I was also told when I was on the Hornet last summer that in mothballs the ships (at the least the Hornet) had their flight decks covered with plywood (okay, I can't swear he said plywood, but they were covered), so when they restored the ship they removed those coverings and repainted the deck. I was going to swear that the Midways never had wood decks, but in Barrett Gallagher's "Flattop" there is very low level flight deck photo circa 1952 of a helicopter landing that shows a pattern on the deck that looks exactly like wood planks covered with the polyurethane and nonskid surfacing the Essexes got around this time (you can see the plank pattern under something). Other photos show a "solid" surface deck (i.e. no planks) but the angle is high, so the planking underneath might not show. I looked at the commissioning photo of FDR (CVB-42) in the Carrier Air War in Color book, and the flight deck is a dirty tannish color, that clearly contrasts with the faded Navy Blue on the hull and upperworks. Interestingly there is what appears to be a Navy GRAY Essex class carrier completing alongside - it absolutely isn't blue, and it's very, very dark. FDR's flight deck shows absolutely no "planking" lines, but when there aren't tie down strips, at this distance most carriers don't. It may well be planking painted Deck Gray (I think by this point the Navy was shifting to gray hues of its standard camo colors) while the ship carried an extremely faded (and very weathered on the port side waterline) Navy Blue from its launching (the above photo shows a drak blue Midway at her launching. My guess is that the flight deck was finished later, and got a fresh coat of the then-standard Deck Gray flight deck stain, which, on wood, makes it look tannish next to the Navy Blue. It may not matter - the decks faded to this tannish color with wear no matter what the hue of the original stain - see the 1945 Randolph on p. 164 - deck is light blue where the stain isn't worn, and grayish tan where it is. So my guess is we're looking at a planked deck stained dark, which was covered relatively quickly (maybe during the 1947-48 flight deck strengthening) with polyurethane to protect it from jet blast. Just my guess. Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: USS Enterprise CV-6 colors I have a video copy from a former Enterprise sailor of some home movies he shot on some carriers in the 1950's which includes a long pan down the decommissioned Enterprise in mothballs and shows her in the usual light gray. I suspect that she was repainted into that color when she was mothballed, and what little maintenance might have been done was to maintain that color. Other mothballed WWII ships have the same color - I don't think they carried their camo into mothballs. 80-G-373247, reproduced at p. 46 of my Essex books shows four Essexes and two battleships (plus a bunch of other ships) in the process of being mothballed at Seattle. The first carrier, Essex already has the front half of her flight deck in a much lighter shade than the aft end, and the hull is already light (the dark panels of her camo would have shown up here) which leads me to believe that everything was repainted upon mothballing. The thing that worries me is that the facing page photo (80-G-428458), which shows many of the same ships in mothballs two years show the Essex' island portside and you can clearly see what appears to be the outline of the Dull Black panel on the island. I think this is the newer paint peeling to show the color underneath, but it could be argued that the ship was never repainted. I just think that it was, and from the other posts, this seems to be the case. Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Revell Essex Derek, I got the "six scale feet" from Ray Bean's article on modifying the Hasegawa Essex in PSM. Friedman says it is a five foot blister. Terz. says the original Essexes were 93' 2" waterline width, and 101 after 27C, but lists Oriskany at 106' 8" (and only Oriskany - I think this figure must be wrong, but you may know something I don't). There is a photo in Sumrall's Intrepid book that shows the blister being added and noted the change in beam as 93 to 101, but the end of the book says 103' 4". So I think the data supports about a 4-5' wide blister, which would be .089 and .112 inches in 1/535 scale. A .10 blister in your scale would be 4 1/2 feet, so that's what I'd suggest. Someone can check my math here - I hope it's right. On the port side, I can't recall what the kit looks like - if it has the recesses right, then cut the middle 2/3 of the hull off, insert a new .10 hull where it used to be, and glue the original hull (sponsons and all) outboard of the new hull, and fair it into the hull bow & stern. That might fix your flight deck problem, at least in part. I would strongly recommed looking at the plans in Alan Raven's Essex book here, because he shows the modernized Oriskany, and has deck by deck plans for the modernized Intrepid that show you the blister. Mind that it was cleanly faired into the hull, so you absolutely shouldn't see where it starts and ends, other than you'll notice new walkways outboard the hangar deck roll doors that weren't there in WWII. It just depends on what the portside of the kit looks like. It might be easier to just build the hull as if it didn't have the sponsons, then add them later, since they're going to require modification anyway. The key is to get the relationship of the hull to the hangar deck walls right - the hull should be "pooched out" from all the hangar deck openings (that's a little known nautical term, by the way). But I think they key is rebuilding the kit from the waterline up, and using the kit's hangar deck wall as "panels" - put them wherever they need to go, not where Revell says. They were part of the smooth skinned hull when the ships were first built, and the hull was later built out below them. The kit makes it look like the hull stayed in the same place and somebody "skinned" the hull at the flight deck level, revealing a bunch of pipes and and detail. Sounds like a fun project. Are you sure it wouldn't be easier starting with a Lindberg kit?!? Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Richard Eaton" Subject: China Gunboat Mystery Kit I've been contacted by an modeling buddy about a kit he just picked up. It is a large scale dual-stack gunboat of Chinese origin. The box and directions are in Manderin. He has the year 1923 and the title Zhong Shan Gunboat but that is about it. A drawing of the ship is at http://home.austin.rr.com/reaton/Barco.jpg Any assistance in identifying the ship and resources for it would be appreciated. Regards, Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: SCHOKOKOLA Does anyone out there know the secrete original formula for SCHOKOKOLA, the "fortified" chocolate of German WW II submariners? It came in round, pocket sized white tins, approx. 3 1/2" diameter, with brown, orange, or blue inscriptions, depending on type. It was supposed to give you extra strength and endurance and have other magical powers! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Arthur" Subject: Re: Canberra Bomber It would appear from comments on this aircraft from this list that many are under the illusion that the Canberra was an Australian production. Sorry to dissappoint you, but it was another Brit flop. A girlfriends father at the time (Group Captain RAF ) was away in Australia trying to sell the plane to the Ockers and came back with some very interesting stories about what he had to do to convince them to purchase the Canberra (with its known defects, an interim design) against the better US and French contenders. Let it be said that blood was thicker than water in this instance. He did not get the full order, nor the asking price. Classified !! More on topic - the 4 video set on Aircraft Carriers from Go to Wo put out by an Aussie Company clearly shows - in full colour, wooden decks. The angled shots from deck level of aircraft taking off shows they had a bumpy ride to start with. Arthur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu Subject: Re: Gato class submarine question Gato decks were planked with 2" x 1.5" teak battens. As this is my first posting on SSML I will say a little about myself. I am a fleet boat fanatic, but I am also interested in US Navy subjects from any era. I mostly work in 1/350, but I am starting to work on a 1/48 scale Balao class boat. I look forward to being a part of this list. Chris Friedenbach -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: casting kit Rusty said: >> Get an Ace Resin casting kit << Hi Rusty. What's that, what does it come with and where can I get one? Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: superior navies, 2 more cents >> their ships did not really do what they were supposed to << Their submarines did! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: James Corley Subject: Re: USS INDEPENDENCE CVL-23/A-BOMB TESTS >> Most of the major ships at the A-Bomb tests were either bad old, bad hurt, or foreign. I've never known what was wrong with the INDEPENDENCE that got her sent there. Any info? << I seem to recall reading (Operation Corssroads, ISNI Press ??) that the ship had seen continuous service and was never modernized as being the lucky "victim" of the Kamikazes....i.e., no major damage requiring time on the West Coast in the late stages of the war. She apparently had been simply worn out. Here is a brief record of her career from "Flat-Tops and Fledglings" 1971, Gareth Pawlowski: Depart PH 22AUG43 Marcus Island 31AUG43 Wake Island 5-6OCT43 Arrive PH 11OCT43 Arrive Espiritu Santo 5NOV43 Rabaul 11NOV43 Tarawa 18-20NOV43 torpedoed by Bettys 20NOV43 Depart Ellice Island 7DEC43 Arrive PH Dec 1943 Arrive MINY 2JAN44 Depart MINY/SF June 1944 Depart PH 17AUG44 Southern Palau 6-22SEP44 Leyte & PI October-November 1944 Depart Ulithi 30JAN45 Arrive PHNY 11FEB45 Depart PHNY 14MAR45 Okinawa April-May 1945 Arrive Ulithi 16MAY45 Depart Ulithi 27MAY45 Japan Strikes 9JUL45-2SEP45 Tokyo Bay Surrender Depart Tokyo 22SEP45 Arrive SF 31OCT45 Magic Carpet 15NOV45-28JAN46 Arrive Bikini 29MAY46 The commentary says she was selected to test the effects of the A-bomb "to determine the endurance of a carrier under such an explosion." I suppose she was selected to test both the construction of the "modern" carrier and light crusier, as the hull was the same. Also remeber that the Navy was cutting the fleet to the bone, and by 1950 had 4 Essex CVs in the Pacific and the 3 Midways in the Atlantic fleets. As I stated before, she had only had a major refitting and suffered sever combat damage once, early in the American Offensive of the war. My guess would be that after 2 years of continous use, 16 months of which was under combat conditions, that the on-board systems were simply worn out from shock & vibratory damage and just plain old use. Modern warships require regular yard periods to repair systems from the latter two after every cruise, just imagine what wartime conditions would do. >> I remember reading but now cannot find the reference that one of our cruisers [heavy?] completed at the end of the war was defective and either never was commissioned or for only a short while. Which ship? What was wrong? << You might be talking about FALL RIVER (CA-131), which one of my uncles served on after 4 years on NASHVILLE. The ship was built at NYSB in Camden and commissioned on 1JUL45, but never made it to the combat zone and was considered by her crew (according to uncle) as "unlucky" due to some mishaps and injuries during construction. Here is the DANFS entry from the Salem site: http://www.uss-salem.org/danfs ***** On 31 October 1945, FALL RIVER arrived at Norfolk out of which she sailed in experimental development operations until 31 January 1946. The cruiser was assigned to JTF 1, organized to conduct Operation "Crossroads," atomic weapons tests in the Marshall Islands in the summer of 1946. To prepare for this duty, FALL RIVER sailed to San Pedro, Calif., where, from 16 February to 6 March, she was altered to provide flagship accommodations. Arriving at Pearl Harbor 17 March, she embarked Rear Admiral F. G. Fahrion, commander of the target vessel's group for the tests, and with him sailed in the Marshalls between 21 May and 14 September. After west coast training, FALL RIVER served a tour of duty in the Far East as flagship of Cruiser Division 1 from 12 January to 17 June 1947. She returned to Puget Sound Navy Yard, where she was placed out of commission in reserve 31 October 1947. ***** Luckily (for my uncle) he was mustered out of the service before Crossroads took place, leaving the ship at San Pedro. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Bill Code" Subject: SMS Konig in 1/350?? hello list, say there was some talk that a kit of this fine ww1 Battleship would be available in Nov 99...well what happened?? i was rubbing my hands together in anticipation of ordering one.. sigh.. Bill C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Lawrence Tam Subject: USS Indianapolis Hi, I just picked up a Matchbox USS Indianapolis kit and is wondering if anyone have any tips on superdetailing it and correcting any errors? Thanks for any response. Lawrence -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Jim Baumann's Warspite model Hi Guys, Following Chris Drage's "Two Old Ladies" Rodspite diorama, for another approach to this WEM build, please check out Jim Baumann's award-winning build of the WEM 1/700 HMS Warspite... I photographed it on Friday, pix developed same day, and article written and posted by me today (Saturday). http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/jbwars/jbwars.htm Enjoy!! Caroline http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "msyoung" Subject: Ship Book Thought I would try and start a new thread on the list. A few months ago I picked up a book which really inspired me back into ship modeling after a few years off. That book is called Armored Ships featuring text and paintings by Ian Marshall. I picked my copy up at Barnes and Noble. I was wondering if there are any other inspirational or motivational subjects that got list members interested or reinterested in modeling ships. I have enjoyed the thread on best ships. I don't believe there is any right or wrong answer. Each country has good designs and poor designs. Even a poor design can come out a winner depending on the crew serving on her. Mike Young Springfield, MO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Phil Gollin" Subject: PAINT QUERIES Now that Snyder and Short have produced so much 100% correct paint chips, may I ask how they did it? How, for instance, did they get a proper match for "Mountbatten Pink"? Also, as the new guru's of model ship paints, do they have any definitive views on "Scale effect" and the "watering down" of colours for various scales? Any chance of a Book/Booklet on the various problems of painting ships? Regards, Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: USMC >> USMC - Uncle Sam's Midguided Children << Also - Uncle Sam`s Marching Creature Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Commander Series update Hi Everyone, We've been working on the site, and there have been some more updates, including the additions of the armor kits and miscellanoeus kits listings, and some new images for the new release page. We'll continue to update as we get the photos of the existing kit parts scanned, and the new kits, so check back often. 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