Subject: SMML VOL 800 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:57:58 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Warship Pictorials 2: Re: Ship class 3: Re: ENTERPRISE and Carrier Fires 4: Comments on Manufacturers 5: Formosa Strikes 6: USS Washington 7: Re: Hotchkiss mounts on BRETAGNE 8: Re: 1:700 subs 9: Re: Hull Numbers & Stern Names 10: Re: FSM and ship models 11: Re: Hull Numbers & Stern Names 12: Re: Animating models 13: Re: 1/72 Iowa turret project 14: Re: Various 15: Tom Dougherty 16: Re: 1/72 Iowa turret project 17: FSM and Ship Articles 18: Re: Various 19: Re: Iowa turrets 20: Tamyia 1/350 Musashi 21: HMS Vega 22: Re: Hull Numbers & Stern Names 23: Re: German Rangefinders 24: Re: Illustrious v. Essex 25: Re: In Harms Way 26: Re: IPMS-USA Ship class question 27: Re: USS Midway flight deck 28: Re: Iron Shipwrong" 29: Re: Day of Deceit 30: Article on HMAS Sydney (II) 31: Re: Australia's Navy 1991-96 32: Skipjack -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Modern sub props 2: Re: FS 3: Warship Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: Warship Pictorials Greetings, I recently received the Steve Wiper's latest Warship Pictorials from Pacific Front Hobbies. These are excellent. If anyone is planning to build the San Francisco or one of the Omaha's, you will find these books a great resource. There are a lot of detailed photos and no frustrating "fuzzy photos" that wind up in some publisher's books. Well done Steve. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH Only -10F this morning, but no 50mph winds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Ship class >> In the hobby ship this morning I saw a new kit of an "advanced conceptual attack submarine".It is not the Seawolf class, nor is it a Virginia (NSSN) class - according to press release drawings I have seen. It is long and skinny, the "Victor"-like sail is mounted very forward, and it has a shrouded propulsor. << Ed- I have not seen this kit as of yet; it possibly is similar to some of the advanced (read paper) designs that are on the Electric Boat web site, among others. Most of these are just concept designs, as the next real item on the "radar" is the Virginia class SSN. Long and thin hulls are generally not good in submarines, as they create some maneuvering problems (snap roll in turns), that, while not dangerous, can be annoying (like the entire sub tilts at a large angle rather suddenly, if not properly handled). Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: ENTERPRISE and Carrier Fires >> The walls and ceiling are painted: Inside White Formula 27 The floor is to be painted: Light Gray Deck Formula 20-L << Walls? Ceiling? Floor?? Oh John, John, John!! Those surfaces are bulkheads, overhead, and deck! >> Really this demonstrates my point and suggests questionable ammuntion practice by the USN (which I for one don't believe). OK then this may be possible as I do recall a USN carrier which caught fire off Vietnam (Forrestal?) due to poor ammunition stowage and handling methods (we don't learn from history) but to be honest I had thought that the USN was far more competent than that. But even if this was the case it demonstrates the lack of protection in the design. << There were three such incidents during Nam. ORISKANY had a hangar deck fire that was attributed, IIRC, to crewmen mishandling pyrotechnics (flares), and resulting fire got into the aircraft. FORRESTAL and ENTERPRISE both had flight deck fires wherein their armored flight decks stood them in good stead. Both happened during launch ops with flight decks full of fully fueled and armed aircraft. In FORRESTAL's case, a "hot start" on one jet lit off a Zuni rocket pod on another aircraft behind. On ENTERPRISE, a jet starting cart's hot turbine exhaust lit off a Zuni pod that then fired into adjacent aircraft. Again, no faults in the design of the ships themselves. I remember the ENTERPRISE fire well: we were escorting her that morning. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Robert OConnor Subject: Comments on Manufacturers SMMLies- I guess I owe everyone an apology for my posting a few days ago, welcoming Joe Damato back to the list. I praised his kits and company, and that little personal plug for a personal friend and all around fine guy turned into a slugfest in which others took shots at Joe's products and other manufacturers in a sort of feeding frenzy. Opinoins abound, and we all are entitled to them. I personally don't rip kitmakers unless the subject matter is so bad that they never should have released the beast. Then again, I'm not enough of an expert on these things to really speak out...are any of us?? So again, to Joe and the rest of you manufacturers out there, thanks for what you do and the widgets you provide.No, they're not always perfect, but I don't know a one of us who could do better.As for the naysayers, I say keep in mind the limitations of design and manufacturing, and the fact that for most of us, this is a mere hobby, not a way of life! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Formosa Strikes Hi Eugene The operations I referred to took place between 11-13 April 1945. Folowing the success of these operations Spruance also asked the RN to attack airfields in Sakishima Gunto which they did on 20th. During this period the BPF was at sea on operations for 32 days continuously. Information can be found in David Hobbs article in 'The British Pacific and East Indies Fleets -The Forgotten Fleets 50th Anniversary' P.72-73 Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: USS Washington Hi all Thanks to everyone who posted an answer to my request for information re RADM Wilcox. I've already visited the site and seen the article. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Hotchkiss mounts on BRETAGNE The four quad mounts were located amidships symetrically around the midships turret. Two were 37 ft fore of the center of the barbette, and the other two 37 ft aft. They were 31 ft on either side of the centerline. Reference: Dumas/Guiglini, LES CUIRASSÉS FRANÇAIS DE 23500 TONNES, Editions des 4 Seigneurs, Grenoble, 1980. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:700 subs Tom Dougherty writes: >> If you desire 1:700 scale full hull submarines, may I strongly recommend those made by Ralph Ratcliffe (of the SubCommittee << I have to second that. I picked up a built up Sturgeon that Ralph was selling at the Subcommittee Regatta some years ago - an exquisite little model. His workmanship is very good - I would like to be able to consistently paint as well as he does. The model was not only well built and painted, but came on a nice little keel block base, varnished and even with a felt bottom. Last year, I purchased three more subs from him, a nice Seawolf, Lafayette and Flight III LA. As reasonable as his price is for the castings, it is even more so for finished subs - less than $ 120.00, delivered, for the three. The subs proudly occupy a shelf in my display case with my collection of Neptun models. Kurt SeaPhoto (Who did a lot more picture taking than model making last year) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Hull Numbers & Stern Names >> I am looking for some info as to whether or not the battleships of the USN wore hull numbers in late 1941 and at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. << I don't think that any of the BBs at Pearl Harbor wore hull numbers at the time of the attack. >> Also, has anyone tried rendering hull names decals in 1/700 scale? It seems that a good printer and software will get the font pretty small, but does anyone know if this might still be out of scale? Say, font size 2 or 1? Any help is appreciated as i am thinking of trying "homemade" decals on a laser printer. Anyone else had success with this? << At 1/700th scale, your names would probally appear as little tiny blobs considering that the height on the letters would be approx 1/64th inch (USN Hull Names are 12" High in 1:1 scale). The hull numbers should come out alright since these were usually 24", 48", and 96" in height. BTW, starting in 1941, the hull names were painted the same color as the surrounding area (Hull names are actually 1/4" steel welded to the stern) for security reasons. John R. Sheridan What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Last last place on earth I would look for the Lumber Cartel(tm) is http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: FSM and ship models >> Seems to me FSM appears to be serious in covering ship models as with this coming two-part article plus the ships they have been featuring in the "readers models" section they seem to be trying to give us ship modelers a reason to buy the magazine beyond their good coverage of paints, techniques, etc. << I have been commissioned by FSM to do three ship related articles. The first one has been sent to FSM. No publishing date as of yet. It looks like there will be a lot of ship related articles in the future. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Duane_C" Subject: Re: Hull Numbers & Stern Names >> I am looking for some info as to whether or not the battleships of the USN wore hull numbers in late 1941 and at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. Also, has anyone tried rendering hull names decals in 1/700 scale? It seems that a good printer and software will get the font pretty small, but does anyone know if this might still be out of scale? Say, font size 2 or 1? Any help is appreciated as i am thinking of trying "homemade" decals on a laser printer. Anyone else had success with this? << John, I have seen no evidence yet that the USN BBs wore hull numbers at the time of Pearl Harbour. The names were actually raised letters welded to the hull. In peacetime standard gray, the name was picked out in black, when the ships were camouflaged the names were painted the same color as the surrounding area. You can still see the raised letters in close-ups of the ships sterns. Duane Christensen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Animating models >> I have had this dream of building a ship and having the radar turn, guns rotate, lights on the deck and tower light and the props turn... What kind of motor set up or book on this info do you or anyone else recommend. It would be greatly appreciated as I have been thinking about this for about 15 yrs. << FSM did an article on a fellow who animated a 1/72 scale Nimitz class carrier about a year back. The article itself didn't have much info on how he did it, electronics, motors, etc. I know you can contact FSM and they will forward your letter to the author. You can ask your questions directly that way and (if he wants to) you can speak to him directly. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: CapnAgee@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/72 Iowa turret project Try Malcom Muir's 'The Iowa Class Battleships' from the weapons and warfare series. The ISBN is 0-7137-1732-7. Pages 140-142 show excellent views of the turrets and various levels. Ray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "JOHN CURRIE" Subject: Re: Various Hi all, Firstly sorry i have not managed to reply sooner have been serving QUEEN and COUNTRY. On the subject of syringes i manage to get mine from the sickbay onboard my ship (sorry did not realise that they are restricted items because of misuse) therefore i will not go into the uses of the needles, another useful thing is the bottles used for putting the drops in eyes and ears, thats the one's with the black rubber end built into the cap, you just put the end in the paint squeeze draw in the required amount of paint and then release the amount of drops into the container/paintcup. On the subject of Superior Forces, i have read with great intrest all the commotion stirred by Dave's comments, and he is entitled to his opinion. I am a Chief Petty Officer (Missile) or (old gunner) in the Royal Navy of 25 years Service and proud of it, and i served onboard HMS GLOUCESTER during the gulf war, we was the ship that Norman C Samish spoke of that shot down the Silkworm Missile at 0500C on the morning of the 25th Feb 1991, it was not because of our superiority in the Anti Air Warfare but simply because we were doing the job given to us, which was the AAW guard (shotgun) for the task unit at the time, which consisted of USS MISSOURI, USS JARRETT,HMS LONDON and the US/UK Sweeper force and ourselves, as for the Phalanx it just did what it is designed to do i.e. defend itself, crossing targets do not pose a threat therefore will not be engaged, as for the JARRETT her Phalanx system worked perfectly, the only thing that was overlooked at the time was the fact that the group firing chaff would trigger that response. During the morning of the 17th at 0200C when the Desert Storm commenced we had the task of being shotgun for USS MISSOURI,USS WINSCONSIN and USS FIFE who were all Tomahawk shooters, so as you can see the US Command do not look down on us, and at the end of the day the USN could not police the world themselves they need partners, which is why i am stuck out here in the Gulf at present onboard HMS EXETER operating alongside the USN to add to which we will soon be plane guard for the USS JFK. As for the fact that no US Ship has ever been sunk since WW11 i would seriously put that down to good fortune and being in the right area at the time, USS TRIPOLI not a problem( built like a battleship she could have survived possibly as many as two more hits) USS PRINCETON would have gone down if it had been hit whilst in the atlantic or anywhere with a heavy sea as probably would the USS STARK but the Gulf waters are like a mill pond for the majority of the year( this year being an exception) HMS SHEFFIELD did not sink straight away after being hit she sank whilst under tow when the sea got up. Here is my Salute to the coalition forces of the gulf war a few of who were the AUSTRALIANS, FRENCH, CANADIANS, ARGENTINIANS, SPANISH and even the DANISH i am sorry if i have missed your country out but i still think we are all great together. Now for the icing on the cake, when i was on HMS SOUTHAMPTON (i have had a few ships) during Exercise Purple Star in 1996 as part of Orange force we got within 10 miles of the USS ENTERPRISE and just as the sun came up we put two seadart missiles into her and then did the same to all her escorts, we had spent all night long sat there watching the picture being pushed out quite happily by them, we even used her data for the targetting to our fire control radars, it was probably like sticking a needle into the rump of a rhino but it was worth it just sit back and listen to the radio circuit and all the b---------s being passed around. ( possibly something to do with if it had been a USSR SLAVA carrying 16 SSN 12 missiles). Sorry it is so long Shane but hopefully this might close the matter once and for all,( MAN MAKETH MACHINE) John. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "William Oreto" Subject: Tom Dougherty Tom, Please pass along Ralph Ratcliffe's e-mail or regular post address. I wish to make a purchase. I always felt that if you were going to build a submarine model in whatever scale, it should be full hull. Thanks. Bill Oreto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: 1/72 Iowa turret project >> I want to try to make a 1/72 scale 16" turret from an Iowa class. << Hi Jim, Peter Hodges' book "The Big Gun" has a number of drawings covering the 16"/50 Cal. Turret, mount, magazine and loading arrangements. The drawings are small, but quite legible. Edd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "James Kloek" Subject: FSM and Ship Articles In terms of Fine Scale Modeler and ship articles, my experience has been that they are very receptive to them, when they are submitted. I have submitted four, three have been published, and one has been accepted, but has not made it into print yet. When I have spoken to the editors, their lament has been that not that many quality ship articles get submitted, and they would like to see more. The key to getting an article in is twofold. First, have a decent model and something to say. Second, have good photographs. So if we want more ship articles in FSM its up to us to submit them. Hi gang, Just to broaden the range a wee bit, I'll say that if we want more ship articles in ANY magazine, think about writing one. It may be for a club magazine, commercial ie: SMI, FSM etc or even a webzine. If you don't think you can, you may have some reference material that could be helpful to contributors eg: personal photos etc. Regards, Shane Asst Editor APMA Magazine http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Various Dear Ed: Concerning your unclassified sub I think it should be sci-fi because The lost Aurora Company is supposed to begin issuing in the spring. What if the old Seaview model from Voyage to the bottom of the sea should reappear as well. I don't have any more information concerning the French CVL's but I do own 2 photos of the Bois Belleau R-97 and she has a deck load of TBM Avengers on board in 1957. As to USN carrier fires off Vietnam: The Forrestal and the Oriskany had severe ones resulting in casualties. I hope this is of help. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Re: Iowa turrets Howdy: Regarding getting the proper reference materials, given that at least two Iowa class ships are going to be preserved, the 1:1 scale turrets are still available for your review. Currently on the Missouri, they don't let anyone into the turrets but they hope in the future to open up parts of the gunhouse and maybe some parts below decks. I don't know what plans they have for the New Jersey or what's on tap for the other two Iowa class ships. So you might be able to get a look at the real things in the near future. They might let you into the turrets for the Alabama, Massachusetts, and North Carolina which has similar turrets. Cheers Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Scheckenbach, Alan" Subject: Tamyia 1/350 Musashi Thanks to Mike (Yamatoholic #2) Connelley and Joe Costanzo for your insights regarding this model. Mike, I'm not anally retentive regarding ship models, as: A: I haven't' built that many and I'm still coming to terms with painting decking so that it looks a little bit real. B: I don't spend long periods building and changing lots of stuff is really time consuming. ie no progress. A bit like working for a politician. No obvious progress, lose interest. I'll try and source photoetch over here before I finish a couple of aircraft I'm working on and then start the build, as you suggested, out of the box. Thanks again Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Frank and Carol Berger" Subject: HMS Vega I was recently able to acquire an Armada Scale Model 1/350 HMS Vega at a clearance sale. I was reading the Warship review and saw Rob Mackie's comments about an enclosure from the manufacturer to convert the kit to a WWII configuration. My kit does not include this enclosure and I know that Custom Dioramics is out of business. Does anyone out there have a copy of the instructions for this conversion they could scan and e-mail or copy and snail mail me? Thanks in advance for your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Jowfx@cs.com Subject: Re: Hull Numbers & Stern Names For the stern names, I reduce the font on a copier. You can pretty much get the exact size you need. When you get the size you need, run a copy thru on plain paper. Then tape a small piece of decal sheet over the name and put that sheet back in the paper tray and copy again. Just be sure to tape over the entire leading edge of the decal paper so it doesn't jam the copier. John Fox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: German Rangefinders Hi SMML, On the interesting but somewhat off-topic topic of German rangefinders, I would agree that German rangefinders and German gunnery in World War II (as well as World War I) were generally excellent, but let's still try to stick to the facts; the Hood was hit on the Prinz Eugen's third salvo, not her first (per Whitley's German Cruisers of WWII), and the Glorious was hit on the Scharnhorst's third salvo, not her first (per Winton's Carrier Glorious). Amazing gunnery performances nevertheless. As for the Scharnorst's performance at the North Cape, it was creditable in view of the fact that her radar was knocked out early and the Duke of York had the benefit of Type 284M gunnery radar, a much improved version of the Type 284 radar the Hood and Prince of Wales had in 1941. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Illustrious v. Essex The case of the Franklin was a little different than that of the Illustrious. If I remember correctly, Franklin was hit by conventional bombing at the time her planes were being readied and refueled, akin to what happpened to the Japanese at Midway. I think any carrier caught in that predicament would incur horrendous casualties as did the Franklin. Lets be realistic here, in the case of Illustrious v. Essex, the Illustrious would come out of the same strike much better off.....after all, she only carried 54 aircraft by that point of the war (design was 37 or so), with a good number of these being stowed on deck outriggers. Thats about half the fuel, bombs and other combustables to begin with, and the RN was already in the habit, IIRC, of wearing anti-flash gear (something we have never done....not too bright on our part, IMO). So the ship is at a lower exposure than an ESSEX to begin with. True, they were more survivalbe, but did their unit, TF57, ever operate free from TF58 in the high threat areas? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: James Corley Subject: Re: In Harms Way >> Hi Eugene Spruance asked the RN to attack the most effective kamikaze airfields in Formosa because the British carriers were more likely to survive without damage. << Which leads to the expected role of the MIDWAY class during the invasion of the home islands. One account I have read states that the 3 MIDWAYs and their 6 British cousins were to act as floating service stations close to the coast of Japan, with a large number of carriers furthe off the coast. The plan was sorta like this: The armored decks would allow them to refuel CAP aircraft and such, extending the ranges close to shore and increasing their own "airwing" sizes to several hundred, and serve as heavily armored bait for outbound Japanese raids. It would have been interesting to find out if it worked, but I am glad we never got that far. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: James Corley Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Ship class question >> In the hobby ship this morning I saw a new kit of an "advanced conceptual attack submarine".It is not the Seawolf class, [snip] Would this sub that never is and never was be classified a ship/sub or a fantasy model? << Under the rule in place in Orlando, it would have been moved to "Hypothetical" and gotten to compete with Luftwaffe46 airplanes, some Willy Ley kits (even though they shoudl have been in "space-sci-fi and other vehicles), and some real planes in fake markings (Horten fly wing in operational markings) This whole hypothetcial could be sandbagged. I could, for example, enter an El Al 727....not many would know which types were operated by which airline. As for the "fictional markings" I could build an ESSEX out of the box and mark it up as USS Iwo Jima, CV-46. How many ship judges would really know that this ship was cancelled? I think most of the ship judges would accept this and say nothing, but there is one know-it-all who tries to run the judging and goes out of the "chain of command"....I wonder if he would notice it, one way to find out! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: James Corley Subject: Re: USS Midway flight deck Ok, maybe once and for all we can settle this issue. I have now uploaded a page with several scans taken form the 1952 cruise books of both MIDWAY and CORAL SEA. The page is large, with multiple hi-res jpegs, but it does clearly show wood decking on the flight deck. See the page at: http://nautilusmodels.com/midway1.htm This took me about 6 minutes to load, so start loading it and play freecell, get some coffee, make a cake, etc. while it loads (for our foreign friends, this is in reference to a TV ad running here in the states for a DSL service from BellSouth (in Atlanta & SE) and other companies around the nation.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Iron Shipwrong" >> I have one of the old BWN USS Ward kits with the midget sub, please ket me know how your new kit is different form my 10-year-old kit. << In the interest of full disclosure, I am a manufacturer and model builder. I would have been more interested, as a modeller, to hear the selling points of your kit rather than a rant against somebody elses, which you could not have even seen yet, as none have left the "factory" so far. I saw the master patterns a few months ago, and they are better than the older kit, IMO. There certainly seems to be more detail. It is only natural, as the technology involved has matured since 1990. Casting materials and mold techniques are better, so the kits are better. I am also good friends with Jon Warneke and John Ficklin, the original builder of this kit, IIRC. John will be the first to tell you that his kit isnt perfect, even his vaunted ATLANTA kit. Johnny & Jon will both be at the IPMS Region 3 meeting/contest on 4-5FEB00, if you can come by and get the answer straight from the horses mouths. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Day of Deceit Hi SMML, I have not read "Day of Deceit," but I did take a look at the dust jacket, which makes me rather leery of the book. Aside from the usual conspiracy-theory claims, the dust jacket says the author served under Lt. George Bush 1942-46 (blatant name-dropping even if it's true), when he (the author I take it) earned ten battle stars and a Presidential Unit Citation. I wasn't aware that individuals could earn battle stars, not to mention a Presidential Unit Citation! Must be quite a guy.... Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Article on HMAS Sydney (II) Hi SMML, I understand that there was an article in the 1998 No. 4 issue of the (Australian) Naval Historical Review about an inquiry into the loss of HMAS Sydney. If anyone has seen this article, can you tell me if it is worth trying to get? If so, how could I get a copy of that issue? I am mainly interested in the content, but would also like to know if the article has any good photographs. In an attempt to make this related to shipmodeling, I would ask if anyone can tell me when we might see kits of either HMAS Sydney I (as in 1914) or Sydney II (as in 1941)? I'd really like to see both of them. Thanks, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Australia's Navy 1991-96 Hi SMML, A local bookstore has several issues of "Australia's Navy" from 1991 to 1996. If anyone is interested in them, please contact me off list. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Skipjack Does anyone make a full hull model of the Skipjack SSNs in 1:350 or 1:700 scale? Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org http://www.onelist.com/community/iscandar-66 http://www.onelist.com/community/USS_Oriskany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Modern sub props With the discussion about 1/700 scale subs lately I just wanted to mention that Flagship Models produces modern submarine props in 1/700 and 1/350 scale. The set includes props for US ballistic and attack subs, as well as Soviet style attack sub props. Go to my web site (below) to SEE the set. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: geoff-smith@cwcom.net Subject: Re: FS From: CokerRE@aol.com >> Royal Navy Books Archibald, The Metal Fighting Ship in the Royal Navy $35.00 Coronation Review 1937 souvenir pamphlet with photos $20.00 Deane, Doctrine of Naval Architecture (sail, reprint) $35.00 Harding, Grey Ghost, RMS Queen Mary in WWII $20.00 Lambert, HMS Warrior 1859 (Anatomy of ship) $25.00 Lavery, The Arming & Fitting of English Ships (sail) $35.00 Lynch, Canada's Flowers 1939-45 $15.00 MacGregor, Merchant Sailing Ships, Vol. I & II $20.00 each The Tea Clippers 1972 $20.00 Mattingly, the Armada 1987 (paper) $7.00 McKay, the 100-gun ship Victory (Anatomy of Ship) $25.00 Elliott, Maritime Heritage 1981, UK museums $15.00 The Bassett-Lowke Story (UK model building firm) $35.00 << I am interested in buying the following : Lavery, The Arming & Fitting of English Ships (sail) $35.00 However, I am in the UK and appreciate that this can cause problems. If it's still available would you let me know please. Regards, Geoff Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Rob Mackie Subject: Warship Update I've updated the Warship (http://warship.simplenet.com) site with the following new items: First Look: Iron Shipwright 1:350 USS Decatur (4 piper destroyer) Photo Archive: Flush Decks and 4 Pipes: Clemson, Wickes & Caldwell class destroyers Additions to Model Gallery: Combat Sub's 1/350 British K class by Mike Taylor 1:350 PD 487 USS Larchmont vs IJN I-1 by Mike Taylor 1/700 Sub Tender with 1/700 Gato Class Sub by Mike Taylor 1:700 Scratchbuilt HMS Illustrious by Tawatchai (Thailand) 1:350 SMS Seydlitz WW1 Battlecruiser by Steven Backer 1:600 USS Edsall DD-219 by Mike Leonard 1:700 USS Indianapolis by Mike Leonard 1:350 Battleship Bismarck by Estenio Teixeira Marcante 1:350 Battleship Missouri by Estenio Teixeira Marcante 1:350 USS Sangamon, CVE-26, Oct. 1944 by Jon Warneke 1:350 US Navy refueling diorama circa 1991 by Jon Warneke 1:200 Yamato by David Mullins Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume