Subject: SMML VOL 808 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 00:07:18 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: BWN USS Yorktown 2: What our hobby needs 3: Re: Huge debt 4: Re: Celebrity spokesperson 5: Re: Snappy theme song 6: USS Montana 7: Postage and Handling ripoff 8: R. N. Bolzano 9: Re: BWN USS Yorktown 10: Sommerville in the Indian Ocean 11: Japanese gunnery 12: Re: What our hobby needs 13: Re: USS Maine, kit 14: BB Nicknames 15: Re: wooden ships 16: What our hobby needs - is a good spokes, er, person 17: Re: Yorktown 18: O/T Starships 19: WWII Dutch Navy 20: Re: Snappy theme song 21: Liberty Models 22: USS Enterprise (CVN-65) 23: BB, CA/CL Floatplanes 24: Re: Chemical Treating of Photoetch parts 25: Re: Forrestal and Oriskany Fires 26: USS Asheville 27: GRAF SPEE COLORS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WEM SITE UPDATE 2: FS 3: Help in ordering from Solid Casting 4: February Internet Modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: James Corley Subject: Re: BWN USS Yorktown >> It is a truely amazining kit to build. The model includes the full hanger deck complete with crossbracing. The flightdeck is photoetched brass and has every detail in the universe on it. The aircraft come with photo-etch detail parts such as divebrakes flaps, gear doors, etc. When you build it, expect to take months putting the thing together because it is loaded with detail from every angle. << John, I have seen this kit in three forms, unbuilt in the box (wow), built up on display (WOW!!) and once I saw one after a 15 hour car trip to the Blue Angel model show in Pensacola. Apparently the brass and the resin do not expand/contract at the same rate as a car travels from KC to NPA. The owner said that at some point (B'ham, AL??) he heard a great "sproing" sound coming from the general direction of his display case. When they stopped at the next exit, the brass had seperated itself (and everything on it) from the hull. ALL THREE PIECES!! It was a sad sight, and what was left of the kit looked terrific, too. Luckily, I was saving money for a kit when this happened, and not wanting to become a victim of the same effect, I opted to not buy one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: What our hobby needs >> Our hobby is missing two key ingredients: A. A snappy theme song << Can't help you there. >> B. A celebrity spokesperson << I commanded a space station orbiting Epsilon 3, defeated the shadows in the great war, and became president of the Earth Alliance. Is that enough to qualify as a celebrity ? John Sheridan What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Last place on earth I would look for the Lumber Cartel(tm) is http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel Mr President, While you do indeed qualify as a celebrity, I would much rather your wife or the current Entil'za attend in your place - they're much better looking ;-ş Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Polvi, Henry" Subject: Re: Huge debt Or, another one, at the risk of offending those on the sceptered isle: >>Now all you Brits dont take this seriously!!!!!! I think the reason your tank may breakdown, is the electrical system, by Lucas, otherwise known as "The Prince of Darkness". Reminds me of a joke. Question: Why do the British drink warm beer(room temperature)? Answer: They have Lucas refrigerators! << Q. Why don't the British make computers? A. They couldn't figure out how to make them leak oil. Henry Polvi Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Celebrity spokesperson Were you aware that Paul Harvey is an avid model builder? I was trying to get him to commit to a speech as part of our bid for the IPMS/USA Nationals when we were bidding. Unfortunately his PR officer said it would cost us $5000.00 to have him attend and speak. I never got the chance to speak to him personally. Only his PR guy. We decided it would be a budget buster. Good Day. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Snappy theme song Bits and Pieces Dave Clark Five Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: USS Montana Hello SMMLies The US Naval Historical Center has posted a series of photos of official navy models and drawings of the USS Montana (BB-67). They can be found at: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/usnshtp/bb/bb67.htm Ed Mansfield. TX Keith Butterley chased that herd of unicorns out of his back yard - and now they're grazing in the pasture across the street from me Hi Ed, Don't worry, they won't be there long - there's nothing to keep them there ;-ş Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Postage and Handling ripoff I saw a good bargain on eBay the other day. The ship was the 1/350 Tamiya USS New Jersey. They had it listed for $25.00. Yet they also said the shipping cost would be $13.00! Give me a break! I've noticed this hidden rip-off technique with a number of mail order companies. I'm not going to mention names, but since I'm in the business, I know for a fact that it's a rip-off. I know for a fact that the Tamiya NJ costs $5.40 max using USPS Priority shipping. I know because I just sent one out. When I quote shipping and handling, that includes the box (or envelope), packing material, labels and the postage itself. Just thought you would want to know. Watch out for this new rip-off technique. Ask your vendor what is included in their S&H charges and ask how much the product weighs so you can verify the cost to some extent. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Cataldo Torelli Subject: R. N. Bolzano Hello: I've found an italian book about ship modelling and there is a great chapter about the construction of a 1/700 scratchbuilt R. N. Bolzano. She was a Trento class heavy cruiser (I belive) of the Regia Marina. And now, is there any 1/700 kit ? Thanks in advance, Cataldo Torelli Madrid, Spain. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: BWN USS Yorktown Please Check Math! 1/350 Yorktown CV-5 (809.5' OA) 1/350th scale = 27.75" 1/350 Yorktown CV-5 (809.5' OA) 1/480th ? scale = 20.23" Difference 7.52" not about 3.5" * length taken from U.S.Warships of WW II, Silverton. I also have some other references that give different OA's of 825', and 840' not sure what the reason is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Sommerville in the Indian Ocean Hi John Yes I did know of the entire fleet. However, you are overlooking a few facts. >> 1. Sommerville had already detatched Force B to head for Nigeria - he had worked out that the very slow R class battlewaggons would never have got in range of anything. Also, I may be wrong on this, but I doubt that any R class had surface radar at that stage of the war, although some sources state it is possible Royal Sovereign alone had type 284 "by 1942". The others seem to have got their surface gunery radar (284) late 42/43. They almost certainly had type 279 aircraft radar, but this was virtually useless in surface mode. << We may be talking about different periods here I am referring to the time around Easter 1942. At that time Force B was exercising near the Maldives. Force A was in Colombo and Hermes and her escorts were at Trincomalee. They all joined up about 28th March for operations against the Japanese and were together until 1 April 1942. Cornwall and Dorsetshire were detached on 3rd April, Dorsetshire to resume an interrupted refit and Cornwall to escort an Australian troop convoy on April 8th. Forces A and B both sailed to Port 'T' (a secret base at Addu Atoll) to top up with fuel and were there when Ceylon was attacked. When news was received of the attack Force A sailed first followed by Force B as soon as they were ready. Cornwall and Dorsetshire were also recalled and were on their way back. The period I think you refer to is after the sinking of Cornwall and Dorsetshire when Force B did go to Mombassa to land survivors of this action and to guard the convoy route to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. The Japanese attacked Trincomalee then but this was their second raid. At this time it would be very likely that Sommerville would be considering a night torpedo attack, given his inferiority in battleships and cruisers. But his original plan was for a gun action Radar equipment was the following Revenge 279 284 285 273 Resolution 279 284 285 273 Ramillies 279 284 285 273 282 Royal Sovereign 279 284 285 273 Warspite 281 284 273 282 285 This is by mid-42 however there is evidence that it may have been fitted prior to the R's sailing for the East Indian Ocean. Warspite certainly had her full radar outfit after the refit at Bremerton. >> 2. Force "A" was further deficient the two HCs - Cornwall and Dorestshire - who never joined (they were sunk trying). The two E class LCs were obsolete and the paltry 6 destroyers would have been hard pressed to maintain an adequate screen never mind find any surplus to mount attacks. << See above - Cornwall and Dorsetshire had joined the fleet and for the greater part of the period the whole fleet did operate as a single unit. I think you underate the 2 E class cruisers, Enterprise, especially, proved herself in the Bay of Biscay in the company of Glasgow. The C's and D's were obsolete but not the E's especially when you consider the Japanese light cruisers. >> 3. Although Indomitable was newly "worked up" her aircrews, as was the norm in British squadrons, would have contained a considerable percentage of experienced flyers - usually the section leaders and up. Formidable, on the other hand, was fresh out of the Med with heaps of experience - including Matapan. << see above comments. Formidable was not fully efficient she had been damaged at Crete and was under repair for some time. Ditto the Indomitable which had been run aground by her captain (who was dismissed for this mistake). So neither airgroup was as effective as they could be. >> 4. Although the Swordfish and Albacores were obsolescent in comparison to other attack aircraft by day because their slow speed made them easy pickings for defending fighters, by night - where there were no fighters to contend with - this was of little concern and they proved time and time again that in night attacks late into the war that they were still very deadly (see Med theatre attacks ex Malta for example). They were also I think the only carrier torpedo aircraft at that time to carry radar. Paradoxically, their slow speed also made them very manoeuvrable aircraft which enabled them to hit targets inside very close screens - something more difficult for faster aircraft. Taranto is a classic for this. The Swordfish's deeds and exploits in WWII stand out for themselves - IMHO it was the most effective night torpedo bomber of the war. << The Swordfish and Albacore's were very good night attack aircraft and probably would have been extremely effective if they had got into position. Likewise a night attack by the battleships would have also been effective and (speculating) there would have been no need for Midway. However it didn't happen. Churchill and others have a tendency to denegrate the R class battleships (they were old, unmodernised and slow) which is a bit unfair. Taking account of their deffficencies they were effective fighting units and apart from speed out-classed the Kongos in every respect. Given their better gunnery they would have been more than a match for the Japanese fleet and he was right to consider a gunnery action. Its nice to hear from you and do come back to me with more comments Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Japanese gunnery Hi Pieter You miss the point entirely the evidence shows the gunnery was poor especially when you consider that the Stronghold was a clapped out light 1st world war destroyer and the Japanese were two modern fast destroyers and a heavy cruiser. The Exeter was not hit for an hour but the Rodney hit Bismark with her second salvo. This is quite a difference in performance. Japanese gunfire was poor at Java Sea but good at Savo though its easier at point blank range. As for their torpedoes excellent weapons but 153 were fired at Java Sea for 3 hits. Your argument about Samar is irrelevant, if you're trying for a gunnery action then you need to be able to hit your foe. It doesn't matter if you've had two days of aerial attacks because your enemy isn't going to give you a break. I agree with you totally about the minor nature of gunfire but you need to remember that Japanese fleet strategy was orientated towards gunnery actions, especially after they lost their elite airgroups. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: QuanMT@gvl.esys.com Subject: Re: What our hobby needs Keith Butterley remarked that our hobby is missing two key ingredients: >> A. A snappy theme song B. A celebrity spokesperson So do you think A. Phil Collins and B. Julia Roberts would come to SMMLcon? << While completely agreeing with the honorable Mr. Butterley that these are indeed areas for improving the promotion of our hobby, it does raise the issue of potential candidates for celebrity spokespersons. A discussion of snappy theme songs I will leave to others. To my knowledge and recollection, the only "celebrities" that come to mind who are known plastic modeling enthusiasts are actors Jimmy Stewart & Henry Fonda, and singers Mel Torme & Andy Williams. To better "lure" testosterone-loaded youths into our hobby, a female spokesperson would be preferred. I do not know with any certainty if Julia Roberts has ever attended a model convention, but there is a story here in Texas about how a former "acquaintance" of Sandra Bullock managed to get her to attend a model contest and man his vendor table at said convention here in Texas. Of course, this event transpired before celebrity stardom hit the lovely Ms. Bullock, but I can't help but feel that his product sales were up that weekend! Please also note that both Ms. Bullock and Ms. Roberts have graced the pages of the IPMS-North Central Texas magazine, "the FlakSheet", in the Babes of IPMS monthly feature! Here's more to the seduction of modeling! cheers, Mike Quan Republic of Texas Hi Mike, Hows about we get some male celebrity to lure the girls in - that would benefit the hobby & all us male modellers would enjoy it as well ;->> Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Re: USS Maine, kit Hi Mike, There is another kit for the USS Maine. It is a paper kit (yes you read correctly) that builds into a large ship (1/250 scale). It is issued by the German company HMV (Hamburger Modellbau Verlag). They also offer a photoetch fret as an upgrade for this model. If you think paper models are for preschoolers, think again. These are serious models. While they are inferior to an expertly built and superdetailed plastic ship (you cannot putty and sand away imperfections) they are far more impressive than the ordinary out of the box build. I must admit that I have no experience with this particular kit but I assembled a couple of other paper ships in this scale and I liked the results. You can get the paper Maine at either: Scheuer & Strüver in Germany http://www.scheuer-struever.de/ or Paper Models International (PMI) http://www.catalogcity.com/index.cfm?main=catalog&nav=home&vid=181355&ccsyn=1 Bernhard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Mike Connelley Subject: BB Nicknames Howdy: I found a few on the www.warships1.com page. Maryland: Fighting Mary Indiana: Mighty Item Iowa: The Big Stick Wisconsin: Wisky Cheers Mike Connelley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Re: wooden ships Dear Lawrence, you are right. This mailing list deals predominantly with steel ships and plastic representations thereof. As a builder of period ships you might want to check out this site: http://www.seaways.com/comm.html Of course this does not mean that you wouldn't be welcome here. You might even be able to find quite a number of experts here who can answer your questions. Bernhard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: What our hobby needs - is a good spokes, er, person Hello SMMLies: Keith Butterley's post soliciting a spokesman for the hobby generated some discussion around the local club's email network. Mike Quan copied me on his post. I would like to second the nomination of the lovely and charming Ms Bullock. She has the obvious credentials. And as Mike notes, most of the other well-known candidates are not with us any more. As the editor of our club's newsletter noted "I don't think [they] would make a very eloquent spokesperson at this point. (As Major Strasser said in the movie Casablanca, 'I'm afraid you would find the conversation a trifle one-sided.')." That brings up a story told me by a friend and fellow ship modeler in the Washington, DC area who was trying to join the Washington Model Ship Society - or as he called it -- The Secret Handshake Club. The Washington Model Ship Society would hold its meetings in member's houses. The duty of holding the meeting would rotate among the membership. Many years ago, when the meeting schedule fell to one of the members, the rest of the club membership dutifully assembled at the house downtown and were admitted. Unfortunately the host was busy, so he sent his wife to entertain the assembled clubmembers and to sit in for the host during the club's business session.. The wife's name was Eleanor; the house was painted white; and the host, FDR; was busy playing with his own 1:1 navy. My friends - who else can we identify as current or past spokes-persons for our hobby. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Aweiner601@aol.com Subject: Re: Yorktown dear smml's i just thought i would throw my 2 cents in about those interested in the Yorktown..you all should give Toms Harrison from Toms modelworks a call.. I was one of the first to get his new resin yorktown, and although i havent had a chance to build it yet, it is beautiful, well done, with plenty of PE and great plans (as is usual for him)..the price is also right..so before you lay down the money, just call and talk to him.. artie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Mike" Subject: O/T Starships Darren, >> Dare I confess? My ship model present is actually a starship! A lovely resin USS Reliant to build sometime . What about you, Shane? << >> I personally think it is great that you expand your skills with such classic items of worship. Although I am puzzled, why resin, there are half a dozen injection kits of the Reliant at my local hobby shop going for well below retail. << Yeah, Revell finally brought one out - after nearly 20 years waiting! Nah, overall this wasn't too good a model. OK for some, but I prefer the read McCoy . She joins a lot of other SF kits........see the Feb issue of Internet Modeler for an SF submarine I'm gonna do....... I could have gotten an Ent. A & rebuilt her - I have the details, but lack the patience to scratchbuild 40% of the saucer......I could have bought the vacform kit, but I'm not a big fan of vacform (as you'll see in a future Internet Modeler).....but the Warp Reliant has long been recognised as the definitive Avenger class frigate on the market - and hey, it WAS my birthday!!!!! On a water-Navy note , Lynn bought herself the Fujimi HMS Eagle, so for all those not interested in Star Trek, the visit to Comet Miniatures/TJ Models wasn't a complete waste of time! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "FCR" Subject: WWII Dutch Navy Hello to all Does anyone knows were I can find information and action reports on the web about Royal Netherlands (Dutch) Navy during World War II especially for the early Pacific battles (ABDA). Thanks in advance. Happy Modeling Filipe Ramires PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "George J. Stein" Subject: Re: Snappy theme song Oh no, not a theme song. Remember all the electrons we killed discussing "Cher" on the battleship? And, of course, who can forget the boost given to 54mm figure painting as the CIA hitman in "Three Days of the Condor" would bide his time painting toy soldiers. Finally, as this is a "family-friendly" chat list, my limited knowledge of sea-chanteys and other "sailor songs" suggests that a theme song is a path down which we do not wish to tread -- especially as there are Australians who are likely to respond. BTW, anyone ever find out anymore about our Chinese gunboat? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Liberty Models Has anyone done business with Liberty Models lately? Their former URL: http://liberty.dsop.com - doesn't seem to work. Thanks, Mike L Ice Station Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Timothy J. Barron" Subject: USS Enterprise (CVN-65) A few weeks ago, someone was looking for current pictures of the USS Enterprise (CVN-65). There is an excellent high resolution picture of the island here. http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/in-news.html Timothy J. Barron mailto:tjbarro@worldnet.att.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tjbarro/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: BB, CA/CL Floatplanes OK I know this is a model ship forum, but you guys cannot believe how much you help me with all of your knowledge when it comes to my paintings. With that I need your expert advise. When a BB or CA/CL fires its main guns, meaning the aft guns - are the float planes stuck below or put on deck or do they remain on the catapults? Hope you can help me on this. Thanks, Mike NAVYDAZE, Naval & Aviation artist. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: pugs99@att.net Subject: Re: Chemical Treating of Photoetch parts Hi All, I have been reading with interest the posts on treating photoetch for better paint coverage. Can someone detail the process and what chemicals they use? I am fairly new to photoetch and have only done a handful of models and have had to deal with "those shiny spots". Any help is appreceiated. Also, I have been thinking about purchasing the BWN 1/350 USS Houston kit. Any comments on this one? It looks like a beauty. John Impenna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "James Johnson" Subject: Re: Forrestal and Oriskany Fires The first mention of the Forrestal fire indicated that it was started by a Zuni being cooked off by a hot start on another aircraft. I don't believe this is correct. I was in the USN when this happened. I was onboard the USS America CVA-66. One of the officers from CR division (communication-radio) and I became aquainted. I asked him one day what "hero conditions" were. Every once and a while the 1MC would blare "Now set hero condition 1" or 2 or 3. I knew that it had something to do with the radio transmitters but I didn't know what. He explained to me that certain of the missiles that were carried by the aircraft were susceptible to being activated by radio waves and at certain times during the handling of them, the radio transmitters needed to be secured to prevent this from happening. He went on to say that he was in school with his counterpart on the Forrestal (or the forest fire, as we called it)and that this person was the type that would cut corners and not follow procedures. He said that he would not be at all surprised to find that was what started the Forrestal disaster. Thirty years later and I watched the special on the Forrestal on Discovery? A&E? History Channel? or The Learning Channel? and the cause was given as a missile being launched by stray radio waves. We were on a "restricted availability period" (in civilian words, we were in the yards for repairs) early in '68. The main modification done was to install an avionics shop to service the A-6A and A-6B Intruders that we were to take to Vietnam later that year (VA-85). This was installed foreword in the hanger bay on the 02 level. The hanger deck was the main deck and it was three decks high so the new avionics shop reduced the hanger bay to 2 decks high for the first 50 feet or so. One of the other mods was very visible. The magnesium flare fire on the Oriskany was a big problem because, once magnesium starts to burn, it is virtually impossible to put it out. Flare lockers were buried in the bowels of the ship and having in inextinguishable fire there is not pleasant. The flare lockers were moved to the flight deck on the outboard side of the island. They were metal boxes around 2' x 2' x 4'. They sat at an angle and had a plate under them at an angle. There was a handle that was attached to pins that held the boxes in place. If they ever caught fire, some brave sole could pull the handle and the lockers would drop overboard. If you look at a picture of a carrier after the late 60's you say usually see these lockers on the outboard side of the island. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "johnnie R. horney" Subject: USS Asheville Shane & all SMML'ers Hi I am one of the silent members of the group I love the site and read it everyday and man have I learnt alot. I do say alot because it seems that If I look within the pages of past SMML volumes I always find my answer. It's great to be able to correspond with all of you ranging from the famous to well the average modeler I hope this site goes on alot time. I have a problem and as in the past I am turning to my fellow SMML'ers for help. I have been trying to buy a set of plans for the PG USS Asheville for sometime now. Tubmans plans list it but he no longer carries it. I have searched the net to no avail and I'm hoping you fellow modelers can help. I am planning on building the model in 1/12 scale so the scale of the prints is not important If anyone has set they would like to sale or let me copy please let me know. I would also like to comment on the USS Enterprise model by BWN I got it for christmas and haven't started it yet but from just looking at it in the box it appears to be one super model. The sheer amount of detail is amazing. Looks like this ones going to be keeper. What ever happen to Jim Sherly productions I live here in central Florida and It's like he just disappeared. If you or anyone else knows how to get in touch with him please let me know I would like to talk to him. Thanks in advance for all you help Signing out from the not so sunshiny state of Florida Johnnie Horney IPMS #30364 Hi Johnnie, Thanks for the kind words about SMML, I'm sure everyone here appreciates it. As for Jim Shirley, he stopped producing ships & moved IIRC to railway models. Some of the people from there, then went to form The JAG Collective. They are now producing a line of ships. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Francisco Javier Chaves Salarrullana" Subject: GRAF SPEE COLORS Hello SMMLies. This is the first time I write to this list, and will not be the last, because Iearn a lot about ships and ship modelling. Actually I am building a Heller Graf Spee in 1/400 scale, and I need some information about the camouflage colors she wore, how was the camouflage scheme and if there would be any colors equivalent in the Humbrol or Model Master ranges. Anybody knows what happened to the Graf Spee remains after the war? Maybe for general interest, I have an original photograph taken by my grandfather in 1938 in Vigo harbour (Spain) of one Deustchland class battleships, I think it's the Deustchland. That photograph is not a great one but if somebody wants a copy of it, just E-mail me at sabrejet@arquired.es and I'll gladly send it. P.S. Thanks to John Snyder for that information he gave me about his paint chips. Francisco Javier Chaves Zaragoza (Spain) Crazy weather these days here! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: WEM SITE UPDATE Hi Guys, Have just updated "White Ensign Models Photoetched Brass Detail sets" with some new pics of new brass. Click on the followinmg link: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/wembrass/wembrass.htm Also, added new photos of the castings of WEM K 3541 1/350 HMS TRENCHANT, and a scan of the etched brass for the kit.. http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/trenchant/trenchant.htm Also, I have a copy of Arms and Armour Press BRITISH CRUISERS OF WW2 by Alan Raven and John Roberts, which is surplus to requirements, for sale. Condition VERY GOOD. Enquire with me, Caroline, re the price, if you are interested (and I mean seriously interested... this aint no cheapie!). First come, first gets! Cheers! Caroline WEM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: FS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE FOR SALE SHIP MODEL BOOKS---SAIL Franklin, Navy Board Ship Models 1989 $35 Johnson, Ship Model Building 1944 & 1961 editions $25 " " " 1961 paper $20 Lusci, Ship Model Builders Handbook 1970 $30 Guida Lusci (Italian edition of above) 1970 $20 Modellismo Navale Statico Antico 1972 (later Italian edition) $25 McCaffery, Ships in Miniature 1988 $30 McCann, ship Model Making II (clipper ship Sovereign of Seas) 1931 $35 McNarry, Royal Yachts in Miniature 1995 $30 Ship Models in Miniature signed 1975 $35 xerox copy Ship Models in Miniature 195? $20 please reply off list to PC Coker at cokerre@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Help in ordering from Solid Casting Hello, I was looking to obtain some products from a small Japanese company called "Solid Casting". They apparently make some resin upgrade kits for the 1/700 Waterline kits, which include replacement pieces for the superstructure, funnels, etc. Their website is at: http://www2.wbs.ne.jp/~s-c/00.html Unfortunately, they state on their website that they cannot take foreign orders. Is there anyone on this list, who lives in Japan, who would be willing to order some kits from them and then ship them to me here in the US? Of course, I would cover all payments for merchandise and shipping charged by Solid Casting as well as the additional shipping from Japan to my address here. I hope that this isn't too much to be asking of anyone. I understand that people worry about scams and other sorts of things, but I am 100% honest in this and would give my home address and phone number as assurance. I would also be willing to pay in advance once the total charge was determined. Please contact me off list if you would be willing to help me and I can tell you the details as to which products I am interested in ordering as well as working out the details for payment and shipping. I can be reached via email at yohan.fernando@bain.com Thanks in advance! Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: February Internet Modeler Greetings all, The February Internet Modeler is now posted. For OT items Richard Eaton does an upgrade to the Revell PT109. There are inbox reviews of Lindberg's HMS Revenge by Lynn Dunn and the new Tamiya 1/700 JMSDF Ohsumi LST. For a finale, the SMML webmaster Mike Dunn has a review of the SkyDiver from the series UFO. (hey, its a sub) For sorta OT items there is a build of the new Tamiya Swordfish, and I have profiled a dozen marking options not included in the kit. . . . We are also having a poll as to what is the best cover and article of the past year. Please take a moment to cast your vote for the cover (hint .. November is the correct month), and article. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume