Subject: SMML VOL 811 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:44:16 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: SMML theme song 2: Re: DD with Catapults 3: Re: DD catapults 4: NAVIS Magazine 5: Re: BB, CA/CL Floatplanes 6: Re: Brit Attack! 7: BWN CV-5/6/8 8: Re: Navis Magazine 9: Re: Navismagazine 10: Search for 1/160 scale ship models 11: Theme song 12: Re: Which paint to use on ship models ? 13: Books 14: Ebay handling charges, (off topic) 15: Paint for JMSDF Ships 16: RN Camouflage, 1942 17: Re: Slight diversion 18: Flower class corvettes 19: Re: An apology 20: Averoff Museum 21: Quality of Navis e-magazine 22: Recruiting younger modelers 23: Yorktown colors? 24: USS Brooke 25: new U-Boat movie! 26: Snappy Theme Song 27: Re: Hood Rafts 28: Bookfinder.com 29: Re: Sommerville in the Indian Ocean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Destroyer Escort England 2: Pacific Front New Arrivals 3: WEM HMS Invincible 4: KM Nurnberg Plans Etc 5: SMML Convention 6: Wanted: 1:700 Independence cl CVL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: SMML theme song What about "Flowers in the rain" by The Move Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ross Bruce-QBR000 Subject: Re: DD with Catapults Hi Michael, You're getting into murky water on this one. I've been doing research on these special DD's for the last couple of years for a model that I'm building of one and there is very little information available. I don't have all of my references here, but it seems to me that Hutchinson didn't have her catapult for very long if at all. The three that did actually use the catapult are the Pringle (DD-477), Stevens (DD-479), and Halford (DD-480). As best I can tell the DD's used a Type A, Mark IV similar to the ones that was fitted on the Omaha CL's in the 1931-33 timeframe. I haven't been able to verify this but I don't believe that there was any modifications made from the standard version for the DD's. (note: There is a lot of visual differences between the Type A's and the Type P's that were fitted to all of the treaty BB's and CA's.) And no there are no known (at least I haven't found them) drawings of the Type A. I won't take up more bandwidth or the other SMMLie's time with other change details so contact me off line for more if you're interested and want to continue of this maddening project :) Best, Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: DD catapults >> Was it a standard size like a CL's or were they custom made for that size ship? << Just an opinion here. I would bet since this was an experiment to see if the idea would work, that standard cruiser catapults were used. It would keep the cost down. If the idea panned out, I'm certain a custom designed cat. would have been used. That would make sense. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: NAVIS Magazine >> I am looking for some opinions as to how good this site is... << Oh O!!!! We are not allowed to answer this query ;-) Dave Riley Portsmouth, RI - USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "James Johnson" Subject: Re: BB, CA/CL Floatplanes The chance that floatplanes mounted on catapults might be damaged during a fight is reason enough to stow them in the hanger or launch them before any possible action, but that was a secondary consideration. The main reason was because the planes would be susceptible to blast damage from the main guns. For this reason, the planes would not be above decks even when the guns were fired during practice. The blast affects of large guns is considerable. You may have noticed that the extreme bow and stern of many capital ships are steel instead of wood. Ever wonder why? It is because if the A or Z turrets were fired ahead of astern, they would damage the wooden decks. The Yamato class had shields around their AA guns, not as splinter shields but as blast shields. They put small animals in cages around the main guns to determine the blast affects on living creatures. What they found was just barely recognizable as animal matter (see PETA members, that's the reason we dropped "The Bomb" on them). You can imagine the effect this blast would have on fragile flying machines. So if you are judging a contest, if the model is in a firing attitude and the planes are on the floatplanes, it's wrong. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Re: Brit Attack! Mike - you were obviously taken in by a Turing test! It had to be the computer itself introducing such erroneous information. Robert M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: BWN CV-5/6/8 Hey all, I have this kit (Enterprise) and recall that some time ago someone said they had used epoxy instead of CA to glue the deck down. This allowed enough flexibility to keep it from sproinging (?) with the different rates of expansion/contraction. It's my plan to do this as well when I get up the courage to build the thing. My big problem is that I still haven't come to terms with what to do about the fact that the hull and hanger gallery pieces are a considerably different length than the flight deck! As far as I'm concerned, while this is a beautiful kit, this really forces the builder to do an awful lot of quite difficult fixit work on a kit that costs a good deal more than most resin ships. My opinion. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Timothy Dike Subject: Re: Navis Magazine >> I am looking for some opinions as to how good this site is... << Hi John, I'm a subscriber to Navis and it's well worth the subscription price IMHO. A quick look at their archive's page will give you an idea of the content available to subscribers and a tour through the sample section will give you an idea of how the E-zine is laid out. My only complaint it that it's not free, but then neither is Plastic Ship Modeler or any of the other magazines that I subscribe to. I think you will find that a majority of SMML'ies are also subscribers to Navis. >> This list pointed me in the right direction with Plastic Ship Modeler. Does Navis compare in quality? << I don't think that comparing PSM to Navis is a fair comparison, as they are two separate types of media. For the record I think PSM is a great magazine and look forward to getting each new issue. I also like the fact that I can take it to the reading room! Hey I know I can take my laptop in there, but if I dare install a phone jack in there my wife will leave me. Don't forget that there are other websites with ship modeling info such as; Warship the Ship Modeling Website (http://warship.simplenet.com/index.htm) A great site for Ship Modeling, especially the vendor links and product reviews. International Maritime Modeling (http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm) Mostly box scale plastic ships that are not 1/350 or 1/700 scale, but definitely worth a look. Internet Modeler (http://www.internetmodeler.com/) A good site for general Modeling info (including Ships) If you also build Tanks, Aircraft and Cars, you should have a look. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Re: Navismagazine Hi there, If you want to find out whether Navismagazine is for you go to their website and check out the free preview, just click and browse. What you see there is a pretty good representation of what you will get as a subscriber. OK, OK, not EVERY feature will be as detailed, large, or extensive EVERY month but the sample features are all taken from regular issues. My favourites are the model building articles, especially the ones where Paolo Pizzi walks you through building a ship step by step. Everything is covered, from plastic surgery and puttying to superdetailing ...very inspiring. Another valuable bonus is, subscribers have access to all past issues. You cannot have that with a traditional magazine subscription like Plastic Ship Modeller. What I dislike most is the fact that the issues normally comes late (second half of the month) and are incomplete. Regularly you'll find features marked as "coming soon" indicating that the zine is understaffed or undervolunteered. However, to be fair there has been a new issue every month. This gives it an edge over the Warship website which features similar information but is updated only sporadically. All in all I think it is well worth the fee. I liked it enough to resubscribe. Bernhard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Search for 1/160 scale ship models I am searching for 1/160 scale - ["N" gauge] ship models -either resin or regular plastic injected. Please advise if you know where I can find these. Commercial and/or military from World War II to present. Thank you for your help. JK Seattle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Joe Damato" Subject: Theme song We ought to use "I did it for the nookie" by Limp-Biscut. Spokesmodel should be Britney Spears since she'll be out of work soon. Just a thought. Joe Damato mailto:JAGCOLLECTIVE@MINDSPRING.COM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Which paint to use on ship models ? Hello Reidar Berg Which paint to use on ship models ? Well, I use also Humbrol and Tamiya but my favorite ones are Model Masters Testors. They don't need much thinner to use with the airbrush and they are quite fine for brush also. The best is that they have also a final touch that it is quite good for ship models, they left one little shine that remembers quite well the metal of the ships after painting. Humbrol and other paints unfortunately are too much mate many times. Happy Modeling Filipe Ramires PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Phil Gollin" Subject: Books It is the time of year when Publishers are announcing their books, in time for the book fairs. If you like wasting your time on the web you can find out some interesting info, for instance, coming this year (amongst many others) are; The World's Worst Warships, by Anthony Preston & George Palerzi Horsell (?), published by Conways, March 2000 British Warships of World War Two, by John Roberts, published by Chatham, June 2000 Pocket Battleships of the Deutschland Class, by Gerhard Koop and Klaus-Peter Schmolke The Book "Warship Camouflage, 1914-45" by David Williams has re-appeared in Conways lists for december 2000 And (Hooray !) The Naval Institute Guide to the Combat Fleets of the World, 2000-2001 ($175.00 / $122.50), due 4th April 2000. I suggest a new thread, let's second-guess Messers Preston and Horsell, and nominate our own "World's Worst Warship", I know the Russian circular battery ships will be there, but how about some others ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: Ebay handling charges, (off topic) >> I have noticed that too as I have bought some kits off of e-bay. If the postage seems excessive on an item I want, I usually e-mail and ask if it can be shipped to me USPS priority mail, usually 3.20 for most kits. If the seller refuses and insists on a higher rate than the actual postage plus a reasonable amount for packing materials, I e-mail them back and let them know that I won't be bidding in their auction. << I do the same when buying on ebay. When I sell I use the paragraph below to let people know just where I stand. It has been amazing to me how many people have written applauding me for my stand. It has actually been good marketing. I urge you all to demand the same from sellers. My view is that the starting selling price should include all the seller's costs of doing business such as packaging materials, just as it includes the cost of phone/internet fees, ebay fees, etc.: "Your item will be shipped in a box not a flimsy padded envelope. You will pay shipping at cost, your choice of shipping method. I do not charge handling fees which in my opinion are just a way to make extra profit on an item. You don't pay the cashier at the store to check you out and put your item in a bag and I don't think you should pay me for putting your book in a box either. I sometimes think that there are people that are in the "handling" business. Charging for "handling" is a business practice that goes back to the beginning of mail order in the last century when getting an item by mail (via train, ship or coach) was very different and more expensive than getting something in a store. The situation in business now is just the opposite. Items sent by mail order require less actual "handling" than an item displayed in a store. If you are charged anything other than postage it should only be for packaging, but even packaging could be considered a business expense to the seller and should not be passed on to the buyer separately from the selling price. Anyway, I use recycled packaging materials so I do not need to charge anything extra for packaging even if I thought I should. Your satisfaction is important to me. All items are returnable for a refund if not pleased. Please see my feedback file." (By the way, I sell kids books not models, so this isn't a plug.) Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: JOHN A BURCH Subject: Paint for JMSDF Ships Having recently bought the Tamiya's 1/700 scale OHSUMI of the JMSDF, I was interested in building her and a rather large backlog of unbuilt Skywave JMSDF ship kits. However, in looking at the instruction sheet for OHSUMI, I saw that the hull color was listed as TS-32, Haze Grey. The instruction sheet doesn't list the manufacturer of this paint, and I was frankly surprised that the JMSDF would use anything labeled "Haze Grey", as I thought the JMSDF used a darker gray, like the IJN. The recent Navis article on building OHSUMI cited use of Pitroad JMSDF Grey 1 for the hull. I thought that before starting OHSUMI and the other JMSDF ship kits, I would query the List for advice on a specific paint for JMSDF ship models. I don't know where I could buy Pitroad JMSDF Grey 1, so if that is the recommended paint, could a retail source for that range also be recommended. Thanks in advance for any and all help on this question John Burch Gaithersburg, MD USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: RN Camouflage, 1942 Can't help with most of the ships listed by WRPRESS, especially for that time period, but do have some information for you. NAPIER Warships Illustrated 4 has a photo of her, captioned as being taken in early 1942, with a dark lower hull, light upper hull/superstructure scheme rather like the USN measure 22. NESTOR Both Warships Illustarted 4 and the Australian War Memorial Photo Database (neg no 301085) have photos of her sinking in June 1942 wearing the same scheme as Napier. FORTUNE AWM neg no 028037 shows Fortune at Aden on 17 March 1942. The destroyer is not identified, but the pennant number shows her to be Fortune. The photo is indistinct, but I think she is painted in the dark hull/light superstructure scheme, with a false bow-wave. VAMPIRE I have a photo from the the RAN Historical Section, dated 4 March 1942, that shows the starboard side of Vampire in a three colour disruptive scheme. The port side can be seen in AWM neg no 301605, which is undated. Copies of the AWM photos can be seen on their website http://http://www.awm.gov.au/database/photo.asp Cheers Cliff Franklin New Zealand Eagerly awaiting The Camouflage Book -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Slight diversion >> Brad, I hope to hear you sing this, presumably to the tune of Gilbert and Sullivan's "I am the Very Model of a Modern Major General" at SmellieCon. << Not a chance :-) Nor would you want me to!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Milton PS Subject: Flower class corvettes Dear Whoever, I got this address from John Lambert in England. Any news on the publishing date for his book on Flower Class Corvettes. Thanks. Bob McDonald -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Vincent Mccullough" Subject: Re: An apology Apology accepted, Ed. If you make it to Washington, drop me a note and I'll buy you a drink. We're a social lot here.... Vince McCullough WSMS First Mate -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Nicolas Protonotarios Subject: Averoff Museum To anyone interested, This is a pretty neat little museum All the best Nic Visiting Hours for the educational programs are: Weekdays: 9:00 - 14:00 (By appointment only) Weekends: By appointment only Our Address is: B/S Averoff Paleon Faleron Trokadero Bay, Athens Greece Telephone & Fax #:(0031) 98-36-539 Exhibition Areas include: Crew Living Quarters, (4 exhibition areas)* Admiral's Quarters (4 exhibition areas)** Engine Rooms*** CIC (Combat Information Centre) Main Bridge. Battle Bridge. Main Deck**** Souvenir Shop * Crew Living quarters house a variety of different exhibitions including: * Photographic exhibition. * Documentary Video. * CD ROM guided tour and information terminal (shows areas otherwise inaccessible to the public). * Ship's Design Plans. * A collection of ships instruments. * Several different stands, containing explanatory documents. * Uniforms * Items of silverware. **The Admiral's Quarters portray an exact reproduction of the living conditions of the admiral, Exhibition includes: * Admiral's bedchamber. * Admiral's conference and study room. * Admiral's dinning room. All these areas are complete with all the original items of furniture. ***The Engine Rooms are completely restored and provide an insight to the Mechanics of the era. ****All the main deck is accessible, some of the important thing to note while touring it are: * Ship's main Armaments * Ships Antennas * Ships Galleys * Ships Original Gangways. * Capstans, air-vents and other instruments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Loren Perry Subject: Quality of Navis e-magazine In response to the reader who wanted to know more about Navis - I believe Navis e-magazine to be one of the very highest quality e-magazines ever produced. If it were a printed magazine, it would take at least 100 pages per issue to equal what Navis offers each month, and this does not allow for ad space. For ship modelers, each issue thus far has provided a superb step-by-step article on building a plastic model ship. Photos are heavily annotated with arrows indicating modifications and other techniques. Overall quality of photos, especially close-ups of 1/700 models, is generally excellent. Substantial historical background is also provided for each subject. A photo review of a classic plastic ship model kit is also a regular feature and this covers not only the parts in the kit, but also improvements and/or corrections that can be made. A prototype warship photo tour is also a standard monthly feature with plenty of clear color photos of ships of all nations, including Russian, USN, and other nations' vessels. Some of the ships are on active duty, while others are museum or mothballed ships. Naval museum photo tours are an excellent part about Navis, as is the enormous catalog of high quality photos of models built by readers as well as professional modelers. Contributing modelers and authors are international in scope, and the quality of coverage, especially for WW2 Japanese and U.S. Navies, is unmatched. There is also a large segment on Navis devoted to aircraft modeling, naval and otherwise. This section is edited by a separate team and is every bit the equal of the ship modeling side of the site. Navis also sponsors contests each month including warship modeling trivia quizzes, name that ship photos, name that aircraft photos, and so on with prizes given to winners every month. A Letters column and a Bulletin Board allows readers to interact in every issue. Product reviews with photos and new product announcement columns are very timely, much more so than in the printed press. The Navis archives (also on the site) are extremely valuable to modelers - each issue would take several days to fully explore. In my experience, there is no other site in the world quite like the Navis site, and I don't know where they find the energy or talent to keep this exhausting pace up month after month. The approach treads a fine line between being scholarly vs. hardware-oriented, but it's always a pleasure to read. A monthly printed magazine, if one existed, would surely command a price of $10 or more to equal the output and quality that this remarkable site is producing. It's definitely worth a good, hard look. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "john fiebke" Subject: Recruiting younger modelers As a younger modeller here (25), I also feel obliged to put my 2 cents in on this. If young people are going to be drawn to this hobby, they need to be introduced to higher quality ship models, earlier. I was an avid 1/48 aircraft modeller as a kid. Every once in a while, I'd buy one of those Revell or Monogram box scale kits, and just be amazed at how the detail paled in comparison to the aircraft I was building. It wasn't that I didn't want to build ships.. its just that the quality from the domestic manufacturers was pitiful, and when you're a kid buying models at K-mart, you're stuck with Monogram or Revell. There really has been a double standard as what is exceptable. Fortunately, my father took me to a hobby store, and I was willing to give ship modelling one last chance. The kit a picked was the Tamiya 1/700 Hornet. It completely changed my perspective, and I've been a ship modeller ever since. So what do we need to do? I don't know. I do know that most kids do not buy their first models at a hobby store, but rather someplace like Toys R Us or the toy stores in the malls. The last time I checked, the only ship model available amongst the F-4s and P-51s was the old revell Missouri, which is probably twice as old as I am. My suggestion.. I think having kits like that available as the only introduction to ship modelling does more harm than good to this hobby. Kids will buy it once, and never buy another ship model again.. thinking that they are all like that. Good kits have to be available at mass retail outlets to bring younger people into this hobby. One more idea... Fathers (mothers, of there are any here): don't just try to get your kids into modelling. Get them into history. I started building models because I was facinated by World War II, not because I was fascinated by models. That's all.. and since this is my first post, I just want to say thanks to all of those people out there whose questions and answers have solved all of my questions and answers. Thank you. John Fiebke. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Joe Vincent Subject: Yorktown colors? Mark Doremus guided me to this list for help with the colors the Yorktown was painted during the Battle of Midway. My son's history project is driving this. I build model planes and have waaaaaay too much paint, but don't know equivalent matches for the Measure 12 paint scheme. The warships site said the colors are Sea Blue 5-S, Ocean gray 5-O, Haze gray 5-H and Deck blue 20-B. I have mostly Gunze-Sangyo acrylics and Polly Scale acrylics. Could anyone suggest matches or mixes for the colors above using those paints? TIA, Joe Vincent "Wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then." -Bob Seager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" Subject: USS Brooke I bought a combination of old, built models and one was the USS Brooke. I checked and discovered that this is FFG-1. 1. Who manufactured the kit? 2. What is inaccurate and needs changed (ie. photoetch additions)? 3. What scale is the kit? 4. Are there any other aftermarket options for the Brooke? 5. What years did the ship operate and where? Thanks, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: new U-Boat movie! Anybody know anything about a war movie to be released this summer called "U-571"? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "msyoung" Subject: Snappy Theme Song What about Johnny Horton's "Sink the Bismarck"? Mike Young Springfield, MO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: AllenFW2@aol.com Subject: Re: Hood Rafts Frank Allen, Editor of the HMS Hood Association's "Battle Cruiser Hood" web site (http://www.hmshood.com) here. Unfortunately, I can't help with the raft placement issue...there aren't very many photos of Hood after March/April 1941 (at least none that are close enough to show the very small rafts in question). Also, the ship's cover and logs do not go into that much detail. We'll ask the remaining crew if they have any idea. Perhaps even survivor and Association president Ted Briggs may know. We'll let you know when we find something out. One More Time!!! - If any of you have built models of our ship (any scale/media), please send us photos for posting in the "Scale Models" section of the official Hood crew web site. Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Bookfinder.com Chuck... Thanks for the info about bookfinder.com. About a month ago I placed an order for /Gray Steel and Black Oil/ at BN . The other day, I got word they cancelled my order because the book's no longer available. Man, talk about putting a torpedo into my tanker project (like, where did that U-boat come from! That'll teach me not to build destroyer models! ) Needing it badly, I did a search last night at bookfinder.com and found a used copy for nearly $20 less than what BN was asking for. I received confirmation that the book is in the mail today. Now that's what I call service! Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Ian Wood & Ellen Hume  Subject: Re: Sommerville in the Indian Ocean Dear Chris, this is not meant as a roast, just a query. I realise that this is off topic, but it does give us reasons for design differences between navies. I am curious on the practicality of Sommerville launching a night attack by aircraft against the Japanese. Whilst I believe the RN was the best at this during the war, I also appreciate the ability of the Japanese to scout for the enemy. I see a problem for the RN. The English fleet would have know where the Japanese were going to be, get within range of the Japanese without being seen, and then get out without reprisal. Assuming Sommervile had a speed of 20 knots, and the Swordfish a straight line range of 200 miles, (and the Japanese stayed still) then RN would have to be within 300 miles of the Japanese at dusk and dawn (and 600 miles away the previous dawn / following dusk). Of course each side also had land based reconnaisance aircraft. So to me it comes down to how good each fleet was at scouting the enemy. How good were the Japanese at detecting a major collection of ships within 300 to 600 miles of their fleet? How good was the RN at spotting at ranges of over 1000 miles from their battle fleet? The answers give me encouragement to build ships of different navies and periods. (I once was in a WWII naval wargame, when the IJN came west to the Horn of Africa, sinking a RN force of one old CV and two old BBs. I then managed to lure the fleet into a 'wolfpack' of RN submarines, and sank most of their capital ships. It think this shows that we can do anything given enough hindsight and failure to take account of historical traits) Regards, Ian Auckland, where the summer is as mild as the winter (PS my books show 'Sommerville') -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Andy Hampa Subject: Destroyer Escort England Hello, I am looking for a copy of Anatomy of the Ship, The Destroyer Escort England, by Al Ross. Does anyone know where I might find a copy? Thanks, Andy Hampa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bill Gruner Subject: Pacific Front New Arrivals We now have: (1) Snyder & Short Royal Navy Color Chip chart No. 2 for $18.00. (2) Clipper Models (Japan) machined brass gun barrels for German Navy and Royal Navy battleships and battlecruisers have arrived (6 different ones). Call or e-mail for details...these are superb and will greatly enhance your model. (3) We have plenty of stock on the Loose Cannon Productions USS Mitscher DL in 1/700 scale for $45.00. (4)White Ensign Models HMS Jervis (WW 2) DD in 1/700 resin have now arrived, very nice kit for $39.00 (5)Clipper Models upgrade details for the '82 version of 1/700 Dragon/DML HMS Invincible, $20.00 Thanks, Bill Gruner http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Chris.Evenden@agso.gov.au Subject: WEM HMS Invincible Fellow SMMLies, I was wondering if anyone out there has a WEM 1/700 HMS Invincible (Falklands) that they are willing to part with? Please reply off list if you can help. Thanks, Chris Evenden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: KM Nurnberg Plans Etc Hi I have one set of plans in 1:100 scale for the Kriegsmarine Cruiser Nuernberg for sale. They are in 4 rolled sheets and were made from the original builders plans, cleaned up and modified to show the ship in 1944. Nice detail. Includes rig and hull lines. I will part with them for $35 plus estimated actual postage-- note that the price in Germany is DM 100 (about $60) plus postage. Condition is very good, but it did get a bit scrunched and wrinkled on one end from the ride home to the USA in my suitcase. Also, the homepage for catalog page I linked on this list a couple of weeks ago is http://homepage.av.com/gk_scale_models/GK.html Cheers Dave Krakow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: SMML Convention Hello Fellow List Members, The Hotel information has been forwarded to Mike Dunn at the SMML Web Site. Please note, the convention information will only be on the smml web site, not the museum's web site. I apoligize for any confusion this may have caused. The seminar list is growing but I'm not telling what's on it yet, that's John Sheridan's piece of work. Thanks to Fritz and Larry for their work on the hotel info. Make your reservations asap. Anyone having any questions please don't hesitate to contact me. If you can, please pre-register so we can get a large enough head count so we can have the ship for the whole weekend. If you cannot preregister, let us know you are planning to attend. This convention goes on no matter what. Best Regards, John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Wanted: 1:700 Independence cl CVL I'm looking for either the 1:700 DML Princeton or Revell-Germany USS Independence kit. If you (dealers or individuals) have either, please email me privately (at the address below) with the details. Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume