Subject: SMML VOL 813 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:08:16 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Enterprise CV-6 in 1942 2: Starship Yamato 3: Re: Navis 4: Snappy theme song 5: Re: BWN CV 5/6/8 6: Night gunnery 7: Kriegsmarine aircraft colours 8: Re: Recruiting New Modelers 9: Re: new U-Boat movie! 10: Re: Navis vs FSM 11: Dr Turing 12: Prinz Eugen 13: U-571 film 14: Re: McCain 15: USS Atlanta CL-51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Charlie Jarvis Subject: Enterprise CV-6 in 1942 Hi All: I read somewhere (I had the source but lost it somewhere) that Enterprise carried 20 20mm AA guns, five near each of the 5" 38cal. guns decks. Could anyone help me with this one? If so, were they in gun tubs and how would I go about dealing with putting on the tubs? Does anyone carry them in the 1/480 scale? If not, would anyone have any advice on scratchbuilding them? Also, the aircraft decals that came with the kit (Revell/Monogram Yorktown, soon to be Big E) have the red dot in the middle of the star, good for Coral Sea, not for Midway. Is there a source for the proper decals for the proper time frame? Thanks again: Charlie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" Subject: Starship Yamato I know this is one of those half-threads. For all of those SCI-FI and ship modelers. I heard once that there was information available to convert a Tamiya Yamato into the Starship Yamato from a once popular sci-fi animated series. Does anyone know how to get these plans? Do you remember the name of the series? Is there any on-line references to it? Thanks, Ralph Hi Ralph, The name of the series was Starblazers, based on the Japanese anime show "Space Cruiser Yamato". I'm sure there'd be plenty of refs online for this show, I just haven't looked them up yet :-(. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: GHE101@aol.com Subject: Re: Navis On Navis Magazine: I once subscribed to this magazine, but I had some problems accessing it. I mentioned this, and there followed a truly "strange" attack by the magazine's editor. I was accused of being many things that I'll not restate here, but I finally got a refund. Overall, the site is a good one, although many articles and regular sections are frequently late. However, after dealing with the owner, I would never do business with the concern again. I understand others have had far better luck, but I'll stick with Warship and Internet Modeler. They are free, and Warship's message page is a wonderful place to find all sorts of good information. Dr. George H. Elder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Brian Selzler Subject: Snappy theme song Pardon me for being a week behind on this thread, but it just occured to me during a moment of mental doodling that anything by "George Thorogood and The Destroyers" or "Eddie and The Cruisers" would be appropriate. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: BWN CV 5/6/8 Mike, when I built my CV-6, once the hull was assembled, I had to dry fit the side bulkheads and add shims to make it all fit when the deck( I taped the three peices together for this purpose) was laid on. Mike Bishop of BWN notes this in the instructions. Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Night gunnery Hi Erik You will have seen my earlier post which should answer some of the points you raised. Sommerville was not intending to just hit and run but given the chance fight a decisive battle. Whether or not he would have won is pure speculation but he had a good chance either through torpedo attacks followed by fleet gunnery action or vice versa. Controlling the skies is dependant on good reconnaissance. If you knock the enemy's scouts out they cannot report back and he is blind (by the way this principle goes back to Napoleonic times). This also applies to choosing the time and place of battle. The conclusion that can be drawn from the campaign is that neither side's reconnaissance was good enough to enable them to choose the time and place and so it ended up as unsatisfactory for both parties. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Kriegsmarine aircraft colours According to 'Colours of the Luftwaffe' by Parry and Marshall (pub. Clifford Frost, 1987), the green splinter scheme of 72/73 on the upper surfaces and blue 65 undersides is the best bet for Bismarck's aircraft. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Russell Smith" Subject: Re: Recruiting New Modelers I have a couple of ways of recruiting new modelers. For the last few years, every April or May I display a 10 to 20 ship Display at the local library in their entrance cases. I also write a short Naval History paper to be posted with the display. During the month I will spent one afternoon week telling the kids about the ships and modeling in general. The local library was thrilled when I asked if they would be interested in something like this! The cases are locked and no one touches the models but me. The other way is I home grow future modelers I have four grandsons age 10 thru 6 that I buy models for and when they come to visit we work out their model in the evenings or if it rains. I have done this with some of my nephews too! While not all are interested, most enjoy the attention and remember my 300 plus collection. At least three from over the years still model some and I always have something to talk to them about. Sorry for the ramble on but that's how I spread the news of this hobby. Russ Smith Freezeing my butt off in upstate New York! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Tom Eisenhour Subject: Re: new U-Boat movie! GrafSpee34@aol.com wrote: >> Anybody know anything about a war movie to be released this summer called "U-571"? << The film is a World War II action drama about a U.S. Navy submarine captain on a risky mission to swipe an Enigma machine, which the Third Reich used to encrypt/decrypt its communications, from a staranded German U-boat (U-571) during World War II. Matthew McConaughey, Bill Paxton, Harvey Keitel and Jon Bon Jovi star in the Dino Di Laurentis production. The film opens nationwide on April 21. For more information go to: http://members.tripod.com/Rose22/u571.htm Story line sound familiar? It's VERY loosely based on the capture of U-110 (and its Enigma machine) by HMS Broadway, Bulldog, and Aubretia. If you like that one you'll love other new proposed films: How the US Army won the Battle of the Somme in 1916, and don't forget the valiant struggle of the US Army Air Force against the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain! (We give the Brits a supporting role in that one.) Tom Eisenhour Austin, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Navis vs FSM >> I know it may be a difficult question, but if given an option of Navis vs. Fine Scale Modeler, which would you choose? << It depends where your priorities lie. If you don't care to save your mags. for the future, FSM is the better option. However, Navis issues may be down loaded and save as well. Just be aware that printer paper doesn't age well. The pages will yellow and the photos will fade. I have every issue of FSM ever printed (including the no number test volume) and I wouldn't trade them for anything. I've turned down a $2000.00 offer and I have never regretted it. All my volumes are hard bound and have aged very well keeping them in mint condition. Navis issues will not age nearly as well. To this day I still refer to them for past articles. It's your decision, but I enjoy having the hard copies. Navis is a great bargain at the price too. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Malcolm N. Waite" Subject: Dr Turing Dear Sir I think it a bit sweeping to surgest all the British public drove him to his death, I would doubt if a fraction of 1% of the population had heard of him at the time. Malcolm Waite Liverpool UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "graham" Subject: Prinz Eugen Hi, Can any one shed light on the colours used on this ship when she made the channel dash? I know she had blue turret tops but light/dark? thanks in advance graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: U-571 film This film sounds like the one I heard mentioned on the radio here last year - the story is based vaguely on the capture, in May 1941, of an Enigma machine by a Royal Navy crew who boarded a sinking U-boat (U-110, I believe) in the North Atlantic. The son (I think) of the young officer who led the RN party aboard was interviewed and was unsurprisingly unimpressed with the fact that everyone will now believe that the USN was responsible for the incident. Particularly as at least one of the RN sailors was trapped on board and went down with the submarine. The importance of the incident was that the captured machine was one of the four-rotor examples used by the Kriegsmarine and all eight of the possible rotors were captured with it - this made life easier for the codebreakers at Bletchley Park (oh, the British again - and Alan Turing's computer!) who were having some difficulty with the greater number of possible permutations compared to the three-rotor Enigmas. In the light of recent 'who is/was best' threads, I wish to point out that I am not having a dig at the USN (or Americans generally) - it is, after all, not responsible for what film makers choose to do - but it is a shame that they presumably felt that the story would only make a good (i.e. profitable!) film if told from an American perspective (despite the fact that in May 1941 the war did not exactly involve them to a great extent ;o)) I hold the contribution made by the USA and all the Allies in high regard so please, no outraged replies that I am being jingoistic and belittling anyone. It is just necessary to be there to do something. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: CapnAgee@aol.com Subject: Re: McCain In response to Michael Smith's theory on the McCain - - John S. McCain was truly a carrier man in WW II while John S. McCain II rose through the admiral ranks and became CINCPAC headquartered at Pearl Harbor through Vietnam and was in that position when his son John S. McCain III was a prisoner of war in Hanoi. Senator McCain as we know him now isn't the end of the line - John S. McCain IV is a young man who hopefully will follow the family position. I'm proud to have met Admiral McCain on two of the Apollo recovery missions (Apollo XI and XII) I served on (as an Air Force Photojournalist) in '69. Later I got to know the Senator when he was our (Arizona's) congressman prior to his stint in the Senate - hopefully he'll be our President soon! P.S. He broke his ankle jumping from his A4 Skyhawk during the Forrestal incident. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "FCR" Subject: USS Atlanta CL-51 Hello to all I bought this weekend the model of the light anti-aircraft cruiser USS Atlanta (CLAA-51) of the Skywave. I was already intended to get it because of the strange and unique camouflage scheme that she have (Measure 12 - exception for is sister ship Juneau, I believe). The ship used this camouflage until she was lost in the famous night battle off Guadalcanal (13 of November 1942). Unfortunately there are missing me two things to build the model (the rest I already have it): first is about the secondary light antiaircraft guns that she have in is final configuration. I believe that she have three quadruple 1.1 guns but I don't know about other guns (Oerlikons 20 mm, Brownings 12,7 mm) and their respective positions. Still, about the 1.1 guns, the Skywave model gave me 40 mm Bofors instead of the 1.1 guns and I know that Atlanta didn't have those previous guns. Now where can I get this 1.1 guns to put on the Atlanta, I know that the Tamiya Hornet and Enterprise CV's have those guns but I am not quite interested in buying this ship's just because of their AA guns. Last thing is about the deck color: in the book "The Painter's Guide to WWII Naval Camouflage" they indicate me that "decks were probably Deck Gray (5-D)". Can anyone confirm me if this information is correct. Thanks in advance Happy Modeling Filipe Ramires PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume