Subject: SMML VOL 816 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:02:13 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Graf Spee Camo 2: Is SMML's objective to WIN? 3: USS Wright (CVL-49) 4: Ship Fleet 5: Re: Hood's Wreck - Answer from HMS Hood Association 6: Liberty Models 7: Re: Navis 8: Re: BB CA/CL Floatplanes 9: Fun with Catalyzed Putties 10: Re: ATLANTA 11: Re: WRPRESS Layout Problems 12: Customer Service 13: PG-71 Tenacity 14: USS Hornet book? 15: HMS Ark Royal the first/HMS Pegasus 16: Re: new U-Boat movie! 17: Re: Thanks Space Cruiser Yamato Fans 18: Re: Space Cruiser Yamato 19: HMS Furious 20: Re: Navis 21: Re: Rivalry 22: USS Kidd DD661 23: Capturing Enigma machines 24: Naval Base Hobbies 25: Flower Class Corvettes 26: Red lead & yellow oxide usage 27: 1/350 ships from ICM 28: Pearl Harbor Movie Update 29: Re: U-571 30: Removing old decals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Books for sale 2: Anatomy of a Ship 3: Important Convention Note 4: WTB Book British Battleships of World War II -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Graf Spee Camo >> I think there were at least three colors, but which colors? And what about the decks? << Light, Medium and Dark grey camo. (No green!) Planked decks natural wood, linoleum decks chocolate brown, steel decks dark grey. HTH Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Is SMML's objective to WIN? >> In defense of Navis and Paolo To all of you that read this list and haven't figured it out by now. Here is how it works. Many of the people on this list are in the hobby business, or are involved with others in the business at some level. They have a stake in what is written on this list. They say nice things about their friends and nasty things about their competition. There is a lot of in fighting going on and it gets bloody sometimes. Paolo and Navis as a publication and a reviewer of products offends a lot of people, by trying to write what you want, honest reviews and comments. In short SMML is a team sport and the objective is to win, you need to know who is on who's team and who's fan they are. If you can't figure it out, I'm a Paolo and Navis Fan. << I cannot agree with the following statement of BECJPARKER@aol.com. "In short SMML is a team sport and the objective is to win, you need to know who is on who's team and who's fan they are." I thought the objective of SMML was to have fun, not to "win." I have the impression that most (not all) model makers are reputable and trustworthy people who will give compliments where deserved, even if they compliment their competition. Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: USS Wright (CVL-49) I am trying to find out this ship's eventual disposition. DANFS says as of 1979 she hadn't been scrapped, and Terz. (1989 ed.) says as of 1989 (may really be 1980) she was still in reserve in the Atlantic as a communications ship. Can anyone point me to a site that has final disposition of ships? Michael Smith P.S. She was reclassified CC-2 in 1963 as a national emergency command post. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Matthew Prager Subject: Ship Fleet Hi SMMLies, A friend is interested in building the ships he served on, however I don't know if an example of each class is available. Let me know if you have any info. USS Blue Ridge (wasn't there a Pit Road model of this ship?) USS McCloy (Bronstien Class Destroyer) USS Belknap USS Arkansas (Virginia Class, I remember a model of this class too) Any help would be appreciated. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: AllenFW2@aol.com Subject: Re: Hood's Wreck - Answer from HMS Hood Association Hi Felix Frank Allen of the HMS Hood Association's web site, "Battle Cruiser Hood" here. You were wondering if anyone has ever seriously attempted to precisely locate the wreck of Hood. The answer is no. Yes, there have been brief attempts by various ships (transitting the area) to locate her with sonar, but none were successful. No serious search has ever been conducted. There are a couple of popular myths regarding the wreck of Hood which must be addressed here: 1. Ballard was going to find Hood at the same time as he found Bismarck - No, the mission was always solely to find Bismarck. Perhaps he planned on returning one day to find Hood, but if so, he never really pursued it. It's doubtful that the UK would have given him permission anyway (Hood is a warship in international water and her salvage rights have never been sold...she still belongs to the MoD)...after Ballard stated that it appeared that Bismarck may have been scuttled, he wasn't very popular for a while. 2. In the 1960s/70s, Soviet and American navies used Hood (at a depth of over 7,000 ft) as a magnetic anomoly mask for submarines. Not true at all. It all comes from some FICTION book (can't recall the title). We've heard this particular one several times... The fact of the matter is that the exact whereabouts of Hood are still unknown. We do have an idea, but who knows how accurate the stated coordinates are...we thought we had a good idea where Titanic and Bismarck were. The wreck is in an area that averages around 7,000 feet in depth. Due to the depth involved, plus the catastrophic nature of the explosion, the ship was literally blasted apart...the debris field would be enormous. Additionally, the portions that weren't obliterated by the explosion(s) sank very quickly...so quickly that they didn't have time to pressurize. The result that we will likely see some day is several heaps of squashed/flattened/tangled metal...some things may be recognizable, but not much. In the past two years, the HMS Hood Association has been approached by at least two groups wishing to locate Hood. The Association does support a dive to the site, but it must be restricted to a photographic expedition only...no recovery of any objects! Both efforts have fizzled out due to lack of funding (Hood is still a touchy subject). People fear that she'll become commercialized I guess (ala Titanic). I myself was approached by representatives of the "Discovery Channel." I put them in touch with the ex-crew (including the sole remaining survivor, Ted Briggs) as well as the appropriate government agencies. Perhaps something may come of this, perhaps not. Hope that helps! Frank http://www.hmshood.com OR http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Workshop/2966/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Joseph Poutre Subject: Liberty Models >> Has anyone done business with Liberty Models lately? Their former URL: http://liberty.dsop.com - doesn't seem to work. Thanks, Mike L << I ordered some items from them last June. They cashed my check, but I have never received the items. I corresponded with Joe Zappa a few times, and received assurances that the items would be sent, but it is now February, and no sign of my order. Fortunately it was a small order, so I only lost about $15, but now I can warn the rest of you. If you want 1/350 scale parts, I believe Classic Warships sells parts in that scale separately from their models. I'll be ordering the same parts from them that I never got from Liberty. If Joe reads this and makes good on my order, I will post again to the list. I hate having to give a bad review to any company, but it's my money. Their phone number is 724-962-2823. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Charles Stephanian Subject: Re: Navis What BECJPARKER wrote in 'defense' of Navis is such hogwash. Actually, BECJPARKER, many of us have "figured it out"...without your help. Inspite of his telling us all "how it works"...he managed only to repeat the usual paranoid dellusions of Navis' publisher. The idea that people on this list must be on either side is an insult to the majority of us who are just trying to enjoy our hobby of modelling. I'd strongly suggest anyone who wants a fair appraisal read Fernando Yohan's response in yesterday's SMML. I'd second that opinion, from experience. Charles T. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: BB CA/CL Floatplanes >> Which reminds me fellow SMMLies - if you turn those guns to port or starboard we had better think about where we are going to put the aircraft if the ship is in a diorama. << I'll wade into this one a bit late (just back from 10 days in Tahiti, you know...). As has been pointed out, the general practice was to get the aircraft off the deck. The US cruisers at Savo suffered the consequences of not doing so. However, you could depict SOUTH DAKOTA with her aircraft on deck in a battle diorama, at 3rd Guadalcanal -- at least for one salvo. Her first salvo from number 3 turret set her own aircraft on the catapults on fire, and her second blew them overboard! As to stowing them in hangars, remember that while USN cruisers had hangars, USN BBs did not. After Savo and the Guadalcanal actions, US practice was to fly the aircraft off prior to night actions. If they weren't to be use for spotting, they flew to nearby seaplane bases and returned to the ship the following day (assuming she was still afloat...). For daytime gunnery actions they'd have been airborne in their spotting roles. That said, I can't for the life of me remember what the case was for SALT LAKE CITY and RICHMOND at Komondorski; I don't remember reading of their aircraft being used for spotting, so they may have been aboard. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys (Tanned, Rested, and Ready...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Fun with Catalyzed Putties I have finally found some time to work on my 1/96 scale John Paul Jones, and decided to build some subassemblies. Currently, I am working on the two RIB's (Rigid Inflatable Boats) that she carriers. Since I have been using catalyzed putty a lot during this project, I thought I would share a few tips with everyone. These products are available from automotive paint stores, and are designed to take the place of lacquer based spot putties. Although similar in composition to automotive body filler (widely known in the US as "Bondo"), they are ground much finer - think of them as scale body filler. My current can is made by Evercoat, and is called Xtra-Fine (Part 100443), although there are similar products by other companies. You use them by mixing in a quantity of catalyst just before use - and they harden very rapidly, within a few minutes. One of the advantages of this product is the gel state it goes through on the way to thorough hardening. At this time the material will hold it's shape, and yet can be easily sliced with a sharp razor blade - great for rapid forming. One technique that makes use of this property is forming recesses by using a male form. For example, on the RIB there are consul recesses for the fire extinguisher and horn that were not present on the model part. It would have been very difficult to carve square, flat bottomed openings for these. Instead, I ground out an area a bit larger with a Dremel tool, mixed up a batch of putty, and inserted the end of a strip of Evergreen plastic that had been coated with WD-40. Once the material had hardened sufficiently (You can test this by dragging a razor blade through the left over material; when it does not cling to the blade it has gelled enough), the plastic is withdrawn, leaving a perfect recess. You can use this technique to form more complex shapes by carving a male pattern - for anchor bolsters, as an example. To minimize the amount of the product used, I scoop out a teaspoon full at a time onto a coated paper plate (I like the coated types as the putty does not dry out as fast on them). I also squeeze a dab of catalyst on the opposite side of the plate. In between, if the putty is getting a bit dry, you can put a putty thinner such as Plastic Honey, which can be used to achieve the consistency that you desire - thin for filling pinholes and such, thicker for building up edges. Using a round toothpick, I pick up a bit of the putty, wipe the toothpick, pick up a bit of catalyst, and mix on an empty portion of the plate, much like a painter would mix colors on a palate. You can control the working time by the amount of catalyst utilized; I have found the product can be mixed in a wide range of ratios. Once hardened, I use metal files for rough shaping (although they clog rapidly a swipe against a cloth cleans them without trouble). The hardened putty can be worked into a polish if you desire, though I usually do not sand past 400 grit before priming. It takes paint very well, as you might expect for an automotive finishing product. A can runs about $ 20 in my area - get extra catalyst at the same time, and a small can of the putty thinner/extender. Even working on large scale ships (which use a lot of product), the current can is about three years old. Be sure to wipe the edge carefully and seal it tightly when done. If you are going to not open it for a while, pour a bit of the extender on the top of the putty to keep it moist. Kurt (Who now knows why one picture is worth a thousand words.....) SeaPhoto Maritime Photography -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: ATLANTA Felipe, ATLANTA's deck color would have been Deck Blue (20-B), not "Deck Gray 5-D"; there was no such color. 5-D was Dark Gray which was not used on decks, while the prewar Deck Gray was Standard Deck Gray #20. As for finding those 1.1" mounts--good luck. I was fortunate enough to have some given to me from one of the carrier kits when I built my JUNEAU. Now, if only WEM would produce some 1.1s (Caroline, are you listening???) John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: WRPRESS Layout Problems Glenn: Brit accent? I thought the real problem was likely trying to see the layout through the cigar smoke... Just keep him in the other room with a bottle of good Scotch.... John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Jean-Paul Binot" Subject: Customer Service Hi all SMMLers, I'd like to contribute to the current thread on customer service. I had recently a few opportunities to test the commercial behaviour of three providers in our hobby, namely Heller, L'Arsenal and The Floating Drydock. I sent to Heller Flash Service the card they include in all their kits and reported that one part was missing in my HMS Belfast kit. Since it was the aft deck part, I felt I could really not do without such essential a part... I included in my claim that one of the Pom-Poms and the body of the Walrus amphibian were slightly damaged, although I could have rather easily corrected both problems, I thought I could just as well take advantage of the opportunity. It took about three weeks for a parcel from Heller to reach my mailbox. It contained all three parts, carefully wrapped in platic film. Altogether an excellent service, no question asked, quick to react and free of charge. I contacted Jacques Druel at L'Arsenal upon receiving my Floréal frigate kit (a real gem, by the way). One of the tiny keel parts that is cast with the hull had broken in shipping. These parts are genuinely brittle, and such mishap is due to happen from time to time. Jacques sent me replacement parts shaped out of plastic card for both front and rear parts since I had not indicated which was missing. While I could have shaped a replacement part myself, I immensely appreciated this display of sterling customer service. As far as the Floating Drydock is concerned, I had ordered photographs of BB 38 for my USS Pennsylvania project and added to my order three books on American battleships. After two and a half months without any sign of delivery, I reported the order as lost. I proposed to get the order shipped again, this time through UPS or similar, at my own expense, but Tom Walkowiak elected to refund me instead, indicating that he did not want to risk having the books lost again. It appeared that he had omitted to include the photographs in the pack anyway, so that he sent that to me separately.. I then ordered the books from Amazon.com. in the UK. Regrettably both orders got delivered within 48 hours of each other... When I reported the fact to Tom Walkowiak, he got pretty upset and came very close to being rude in the few mails we exchanged, indicating that he had removed my name and address from his customer database and that I should order stuff in France in the future. This was rather unexpected and undeserved since I felt I had been well within my right as a customer. It is true though that in the end I got what I ordered (even if after three months), free of charge as the books are concerned, since I was able to return the Amazon order and get a refund too. I only paid for the photographs (which are truly superb and should help me a lot in completing my BB38 project), and the shipping cost to return the books to Amazon. Beyond the regrettable behaviour displayed by Tom Walkowiak in this instance, it seems to me that ordering goods in the US might not be such a great idea for Europeans, since it involves rather hefty shipping costs, getting into customs hassle and having the risk of getting the order lost. This does not compare favourably with the alternative of ordering goods from European sources (such as WEM, for which Caroline Carter has always been super-efficient in providing top-quality and personalised service). Finally, in defence of Navis, I should point out that I had to ask them to remind me of my password twice within a month (hard disk failure, not writing the password down, etc.) and I got a polite and speedy reply within hours on both instances. I guess that ordering stuff through mail order, even the e-biz way, still means having to risk more disappointement than should be the case. Cheers, Jean-Paul Binot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Sven E Dorsey" Subject: PG-71 Tenacity Most likely Measure 12 according to Ellis's Warship Camouflage. 1942 saw widespread use of it. A graduated systemof colors starting at the hull and getting lighter as you go up most usually Sea Blue was the darkest applied in a lobe pattern with Ocean Grey merging into it. On the upper works the Ocean Grey became the Darker color,with Haze Grey or light grey being the lighter tone No two Ships were exactly alike. the upper works could be dappled or streaked depending on the dockyard. Hope this helps Sven Dorsey. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Gene Larson Subject: USS Hornet book? Is there a Squadron, On Deck, or other book on USS Hornet CV-8? Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, charitable, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." Hi Gene, AFAIK, there's no "On Deck" on the Hornet. It's covered to a small extent in "US Carriers in Action Pt 1" put out by Squadron Signal. Another book that "may" come in handy is Steve Ewing's USS Enterprise CV-6 - a Pictorial history" Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "David Hathaway" Subject: HMS Ark Royal the first/HMS Pegasus Looking for information on the first HMS Ark Royal, a WWI seaplane carrier later renamed to HMS Pegasus, I found a reference to an article in Warship International. It's in Vol 13, No 2, dated 1976. Would some kind soul be prepared to dig this out and copy it for me? I would cover any reasonable costs. Many thanks in advance David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Robert Vancel Subject: Re: new U-Boat movie! Oh, and by the way. McHale's Navy is now being shown on TVLand. I watched a really neat episode recently where the island with the orphanage on it had to evacuate because the Japanese (okay, they called them 'Nips') were invading. The lady who ran the orphanage was picked up by a British crew who then fired on the island to scare the Japanese away. The ship? Corvette K-225! Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Robert Vancel Subject: Re: Thanks Space Cruiser Yamato Fans >> I'm impressed yet again with SMMLies. Thanks for all the information on Star Blazers. Derek, you amaze me with all you've been working on... Do you do anything other than build models? Anyways, I'll try and get a 1/400 scale from Bandai. << Hi Ralph, I've been silent in the SMML a lot lately but I am a huge fan of StarBlazers (Space Cruiser Yamato). So much so, that recently ( couple of years back ) I scratchbuilt one in 1/400 scale. Jon Warneke (of Iron Shipwrights fame) was a huge help in helping me develop new techniques for making some of the parts. The ship was gorgeous! The model did the show tour in IPMS Region III before being retired (and eventually sold to an even more avid fan). My current project is a 1/350 (EDITED FOR CONTENT), as well as building a modern cruise-ship built from the converted Yamato. (SMMLies might recall this project from a while back.). Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Robert Vancel Subject: Re: Space Cruiser Yamato >> For all of those SCI-FI and ship modelers. I heard once that there was information available to convert a Tamiya Yamato into the Starship Yamato from a once popular sci-fi animated series. << >> Hi Ralph, Don't know about the Plans or online resources and Shane provided the name. However, for what it's worth, I have seen many kits of the aforementioned ship for sale in the sci fi section from itsy bitsy to whopping huge. Since it is a cartoon and drawn a little creatively (I'm understating this tremendously, the cartoon doesn't even come close to matching the lines of the original), wouldn't it be better to get a kit than go to all that trouble of a conversion? << Just to let you know, a series of 'translated' manga were published in the 80's and inside the front cover of issue #1, there is what appears to be blue-printed, cutaway drawings of the Yamato with the 'mods' on it. It is a sleeker version of the ship and only slightly resembles the one in the animation (Reiji Matsumoto's art is akin to Dr Seuss',) I have wanted to do a 'convert the Tamiya kit' project, keeping in mind that if Mr Speilburg were to do a 'live action' SCY (rumors were that Disney was planning one a few years ago), how close would the 'shooting model' be? A sideline here, a group of us were sitting around in 1984 and were working on the cast for a live action version. Here are some of the ideas: The Captain - Denver Pyle (Uncle Jesse from Dukes of Hazzard) Derek Wildstar - Michael J Fox Yuki - Twiggy you get the idea... Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: HMS Furious The captions for the profiles in the Profile book are somewhat confusing. IIRC, the small one you are referring to is actually of an early rig, but wearing a later scheme. From the information and photos I have, the correct sequence of colour schemes for Furious is as follows: In 1941 she was painted in an Admiralty First Disruptive, using at least three or four colours. I'm not sure what those colours were, unfortunately. The starboard side pattern is as the Profile centrespread, but you will have to hunt around to find the pattern for the port side, not many decent photos exist of this side. The flight deck was also camouflaged, as per the Profile centrespread and photo. Sometime in 1942 (after a US refit?) she was repainted in a simpler Admiralty Light Disruptive pattern, the "green" scheme you mention. The Profile book shows the starboard side, again, you will have to hunt around to find the port side pattern. Colours are also unknown to me. However, the interesting thing is, she retained the deck camouflage pattern from her earlier scheme. The only difference I can see is on the forward edge of the flight deck, which has light coloured band (presumably from her side camouflage) on the port side for the later scheme. By 1944, I think the flight deck had lost its camouflage pattern, but the sides were still in the 1942 pattern, maybe somewhat simplified. I have seen very few decent photos taken of Furious from this time, however, and may be wrong on this. I would also be wary of the actual colours as shown in the Profile book. I have seen a number of different printings of this profile, with wildly differing colours, including one in shades of purple! cheers Cliff Franklin New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: Re: Navis Two people now have mentioned "recycled" and "rehashed" articles appearing in Navismagazine. I have not noticed this to be the case. Can the posters be more specific and list those articles by name? Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Re: Rivalry Please, please, Please, please, PLEASE! Do not let this list degenerate into a Navis vs. Warship/SMML death match. This crap nearly ruins the Warship Bulletin Board sometimes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: USS Kidd DD661 My copy of the Warships Data book on Kidd has a both sides and deck plan drawing (plus fronts and rears of the gunhouses and superstructures) of the Ms31/10D design, just past the centre spread (p18). It is opposite a photo of the Kidd in that scheme captioned as being between May and June 1944. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Capturing Enigma machines My last (honest!) comment on this thread: If the plot involves the Germans figuring out that the USN has captured the U-boat and its Enigma machine, wouldn't they just change the machine design (add another rotor, for example)? Surely even Hollywood Germans (who generally seem to be a few shells short of a full magazine) would manage this one, but it will be interesting to see how the director handles it. The whole idea about cracking the opposition's cipher systems is, rather obviously, that THEY SHOULDN'T FIND OUT THAT YOU'VE DONE IT! Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Naval Base Hobbies A question, Has anybody heard from Shaya at Naval Base? I placed an order two weeks ago from his web site and haven't heard anything from him. He usually confirms the receipt of the order with an email. I have tried to call him three times and gotten no response. I'm becoming concerned. Does anybody know if he takes a winter Vacation? Thanks Doc Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Terry Pratt" Subject: Flower Class Corvettes A couple of years ago, I built a Matchbox Flower Class Corvette up as the HMCS Sackville for a Canadian customer of mine. Now, that I'd like to do one as a PG (USCG) it seems that it is out of production! Can anyone elaborate, or at least, help me find one? I live in the extreme NorthEast point of land in the U.S. and have no hobbyshops within 7 hours drive. Mail-order will do, if the price isn't extortion. Thanks in advance. Terry Pratt Ex U.S.C.G. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Red lead & yellow oxide usage Ok here I go with another dumb question, well to me. Some models just seem to work well in dioramas. But to keep them authentic and looking real, most ships that are docked or at anchor have some sort of maintenance going on. My question is - when is red lead used and when is yellow oxide used. I can remember seeing ships in dry dock painted in both colors on the same ship. Is one for steel and one for Aluminum?? Hope someone can answer this one for me. Michael Donegan NAVYDAZE - let's skip the commercial -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Björn Bäcklundx1bmQ= Subject: 1/350 ships from ICM Just wanted to tell you that i found this site from ICM. They have some WW1 ships listed. http://www.icm.com.ua/enov.htm Bjorn Backlund -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Marc Flake Subject: Pearl Harbor Movie Update Heard yesterday that Disney execs are bailing out of this venture. I'll keep the list updated when I hear more information. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: d gregory Subject: Re: U-571 Ok, So far I have seen ONE commercial, a boilerplate website and endless conjectures about how Hollywood is trashing history in regards to the FIRST big budget movie in 18 years that depicts the European Naval War. Put another way-since I saw "Das Boot" in the theater my wife and I have had 5 children and lived in 4 houses in three cities. The next time this happens at this rate I will be taking grandchildren to it! I for one am not going to turn up my nose at the chance to see a WW2 naval movie with today's special effects so I can wait until we get a movie that satisfies everyone. If they did do the historical story right, people would complain the camoflage was wrong on this ship or that ship only had four Oerlikons, not eight. I found a website railing against Saving Private Ryan' accuracy because the troops were wearing the wrong suspender clips for that part of 1944! IT'S JUST A MOVIE! I just hope a few S or R boats make cameo appearances! Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: Removing old decals Hi there: Does anybody out there have any tips on removing old decals in one piece so they can be reapplied? Thanks.....Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: Books for sale THE FOLLOWING BOOKS ARE FOR SALE Friedman, US Battleships $40 US Cruisers $40 US Aircraft Carriers $40 Bender, Fleet Subs of World War II $10 Cohen, Enemy on Island, Issue in Doubt (Wake I.) $10 Harmon, USS Cassin Young (DD-793) $12 Ferrell, The US Mosquito Fleet, 1977 $12 Perry, Photoetching for the Plastic Ship Modeler, 1987 $15 Raven, Fletcher Class Destroyers $25 Essex Class Carriers $25 Roberts, Aircraft Carrier Intrepid $20 Ross, The Destroyer Escort England $25 Smith, Golden Gate Battlewagon, USS California $15 Mountaineer Battlewagon, USS West Virginia $15. Please reply off list to PC Coker at cokerre@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Anatomy of a Ship If anyone is looking for a copy of Anatomy of a Ship: HMS Hood, please let me know and I will point you in the right direction (a copy was spotted 4 days ago). First come - first serve! John R. Sheridan What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 The last place on earth I would look for the Lumber Cartel(tm) is http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Important Convention Note Hello All, An important note to add to the Hotel information. For those who have plans to stay at the convention hotel, Best Western/Adams Inn in Quincy, You must make you reservation yourselves. Tell them you are with the Ship Modelers and our group code is "CGSHIP". We have a block of 25 rooms with 2 double beds each. The room rate is $107 per nite. Some more info is on the hotel page of the convention info section of the SMML web site. (Thanks Mike!!). If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to e-mail me. We are gonna be real busy for a few weeks putting the Salem back together after her yard period. She is due out of drydock on 23 Feb. So bear with me if I take a day or so before answering. In a few days I'm going to post some of the names of those planning to attend. I hope this will get some of you fence sitters to commit. This is going to be fun! John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: WTB Book British Battleships of World War II Hi All, Looking to purchase the Raven and Roberts book British Battleships of World War II. If you have a copy you want to sell, or know of one, please contact me via e-mail. I promise to give it a nice warm home! Thank you Steve Jantscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume