Subject: SMML VOL 820 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:12:27 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Channel 4 documentary on Sunday night 2: HMS Tiger, Lion, and Blake history 3: HMS Dreadnought kit 4: Re: ICM 1/350 HMS Hood 5: WaterLines 6: No endorsment 7: Neosho 8: Tamiya 1/300 Destroyers 9: Tamiya 1/700 KGV Class 10: Re: photo etch 11: IJN Kinu 12: Re: Wisswesser Plans 13: Re: A bit OT: Combat Fleets of the World 14: Camouflage paint mixes 15: Abbreviations 16: Re: PhotoEtch 17: Size of Flight deck Planking 18: Navis 19: Re: 1:2400 models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: PE for 1/350 Tico/Spruance, New Jersey, & Yamato 2: Warship Books another correction -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Channel 4 documentary on Sunday night For British SMMLies Channel 4 is showing a documentary at 2000 on Monday 14th February about the search for a possible U-boat wreck off New Jersey. That is as much as I know, but is precedes another one about the Colditz glider so get your VCRs set! Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David C. Maschino" Subject: HMS Tiger, Lion, and Blake history I just received a HC book I ordered entitled "Tiger, Lion, and Blake", by Neil McCart, Copyright 1999, by Fan Publications, ISBN:1-901225-03-8. The 160 pages chronicle the history of the RNs last cruisers, 1942-1986. The 125 photos are amazing, a few even being in full color. If you're a fan of the Tiger class, you need this! The only place I found it was at amazon.uk (thank you!) where it had to be back ordered. I received it scarely a month after placing the order. At $21.50 GBP it's not cheap but well worth the investment imho. Get it while you can. David C. Maschino -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: pugs99@att.net Subject: HMS Dreadnought kit Hi All, Anyone know of a 1/350 scale or larger kit of the Dreadnought? I don't recall seeing one anywhere. Thanks in advance. John Impenna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: AllenFW2@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM 1/350 HMS Hood Steve is exactly right...the ICM Hood kit is definitely well under way. This kit will be a good one too...it's a full hull representation of Hood in May 1941 (of course). Per their request, we at the HMS Hood Association have tried to help them out by providing photos, painting instructions and by putting them in touch with certain Hood authors/consultants. Price- At least $100...very likely a bit more. Don't complain about the price though! Yes, it's true that it will cost more than say a Tamiya 1/350 Bismarck (hisssssss) or Prince of Wales, but then again, it will be of higher quality. Also, everyone needs to remember the cost of the only other 1/350 kits (except the card kits of course)...those monsters were well over $400 in both cases! Ouch! Talk about pricey! So, a little over $100 won't be so bad after all. They've already released the box art for the kit...you can see it at their web site. Frank Allen "Battle Cruiser Hood"/Member, HMS Hood Association -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: WaterLines A Couple Of New Modeler Questions: 1) I'm using pin stripping tape for the water line mark on the SMS Emden. Are there any suggestions for a better (easier) way to make the water line? 2) What is the suggested method for attaching rigging to the deck? In this case I'm looking at photos of modern warships (1890s thru 1990s) and usually the rigging appears to enter a pin hole in the deck. 3) Knots. Do you have to be a Boy Scout to tie the proper knots in rigging or are a few simple (basic) knots used to tie down rigging? Been reading your posting with much interest . . . I'm sure there are plenty of good ideas and/or suggestions out there. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: No endorsment >> Secondly, what is a good resin kit for beginners, and should I start off with a cruiser or destroyer before I try a battleship? << >> There are several good choices. Any of the BWN 1/350 Fletcher destroyers are good beginners kits for same reasons I stated above. Also, the JAG Collective 1/350 USS Asheville is small and will give you the experience you need to break into resin kits << I hope the other manufacturers I didn't mention in my reply were offended in any way. I know Tom's Modelworks, Iron Shipwright and many others resin manufacturers make fine product for beginners to build. I used Blue Water Navy and Jag Collective because I have personal experience building their models so I could speak intelligently as to their quality. I don't work for any model company (except my own) so I hope that didn't come across as a partisan endorsement. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: Neosho >> I don't recall seeing this posted here before, but those looking for info and pics of USN WWII era AOs, check out this site. http://metalab.unc.edu/hyperwar/USN/ships/ships-ao.html I actually managed to find a few good pics of the Neosho there tonight (woo-hoo!). Now if I could find a model of a T3-S2-A1!! << Derek, I may have some photos of the second Neosho. I will check the old album. If so I will try to scan them and get them off to you. I mat a former crew member of the original Neosho. He was at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7. His story was quite interesting. He was aboard when she was sunk and spent a couple of days in the water. Next he was aboard a cruiser (the Quincy I believe) which was also sunk. He returned stateside and was assigned to the Canberra (sp?) but was transferred to the St. Paul before the Canberra went to the Pacific. He was aboard St. Paul for the official surrender in Sept. 1945. Nice guy, but with his record, I would not want to sail with him. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Douglas_J_Martin" Subject: Tamiya 1/300 Destroyers Folks: Has anyone knowledge of the 1/300 scale Kagero/Yugumo Destroyers said to be available from the Rainbow 10 M/O shop in Japan? The kits are advertised on the RT website, anyone bought one, seen one etc etc?? Thanks, Douglas (Scotland - have just finished reading the last months SMMLs, and has been sorely tempted to jump off the fence and land on various posters feet......hob nailed boots.....) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Douglas_J_Martin" Subject: Tamiya 1/700 KGV Class Folks: I'm thinking Tamiya 1/700 KGV class, does anyone make alternative parts to convert say KGV into Duke Of York, with additional bridge parts, A/A positions, funnel platform extensions etc? Thanks, Douglas (Scotland) Hi Douglas, IIRC, the upcoming WE 1/700 PE set will have parts for all the KGV class. Also Revell, is I believe re-releasing the old Matchbox 1/700 Duke of York, so that could be a source of some parts. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: photo etch Kenneth Perry writes: I am partial to Gold Medal Model's offerings, which are widely available mail order, and even stocked at some hobby shops. I just got a bunch of photo etch for the Minicraft Titanic, and it is incredible. >> Also, any places that would be able to blow these sets up to 1/96 or 1/72 scale? Thanks. << Ethics aside, I don't think you would be happy with the result. Copying a set, enlarging and then etching will not yield a nice part. If it did, Photo etch railing just does not look good in 1/96 and larger scales, IMHO. The radars and other parts might look _Ok_, but there are better options out there. You can get some of the radars from The Scale Shipyard, as well as other parts which are cast, since they should be more three dimensional in this scale. Gold Medal does sell 1/96 photo etch stainless steel stanchions which you insert and then thread with rails - a nice alternative to the pricey and overscale turned stanchions from ship fitting companies. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography Hundreds of photos of the Burke Class DDG's. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Joe Costanzo Subject: IJN Kinu Today, I visited among the largest hobby shops I've ever seen. Shelf after drool-inducing shelf packed with cars, tanks, trains, planes and, of course, ships. I think they stocked Tamiya's entire waterline series! Regrettably, no resin ships though. Anyway, lacking any sort of willpower I picked up the IJN Kinu, a Nagara class light cruiser. I always thought these tired old ships were cool for some reason. Anyway, I've heard Tamiya's 5500 tonners are pretty well done, but I have little in the way of sources for the ship. My questions are as follows: -At what time period is the ship depicted? The instructions give no clues, but judging by the lack of anti-aircraft armament and linoleum deck I'd say she was early war or pre-war. -How is the accuracy of the kit? -Any tips on embelishment? Does anyone make a PE set that would be compatable? Are the 'strips' on the linolium deck overscale? Thanks in advance. Joe Costanzo Hey Joe, You forgot to mention which shop this was, sounds interesting ;-) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Wisswesser Plans >> I know they are not particularly detailed but it raises a question with me. They are the only plans I know of that have hull lines & sections for US pre war battleships. << You need to look harder! The Floating Drydock, Maryland Silver Co., and The National Archives, to name a few all have many plan sets with hull lines, and stations. I dont mean to be rude, but because you were not able to find something, ask and you shall receive! That's what this list is all about! Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: A bit OT: Combat Fleets of the World >> I haven't posted here for a few weeks. I guess it was about time. I'm searching for some more opinions on the USNI's Combat Fleets of the World guides. I'm more interested in information than photography. << I last did a solid comparison in about 1984. At that point, when Combat Fleets was about $100 for a USNI member, Jane's was about $200. Now it's about $130 and $400!!! (Caveat: $$ from memory, without bothering to go downstairs and look at catalogs.) I prefer CF for content, too. IMHO, Jane's seems to be almost a sales brochure. CF has more on 'why', and where available states "is reputed to be noisy" or "combat systems reported to have problems" and the like. I like the line drawings better too. Since then, I buy a new CF about every 4-6 years. I have last year's, and I note USNI is announcing the 2000-2001 edition. Maybe I'll get a CD just to see how it compares. (My 84 and 88 editions ended up at the neighbors, and the 94 went to a co-worker who is a USNR jg. Not enough room to store more than one.) >> Is CFs obsessed with describing weapons, like Jane's? << In general, they describe say Exocet under the French entry and refer to that. Some duplication, but not inordinate. Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Camouflage paint mixes Folks, What I would like to do is take all of these mixes for ship camouflage paint and list them on the new and improved Ship Camouflage website (coming real soon!!). If you could e-mail me your mixes, it would save me time searching through back issues of SMML to find them. John R. Sheridan (Ship Camouflage will be back, I swear !) I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Last place on earth I would look for the Lumber Cartel(tm) is http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "feed" Subject: Abbreviations helow SMMLies: As an amateur chilean modeller i have a suggestion i hope be welcomed. Why dont you use complete words instead abreviattions when you talk about certains subjects .You guys must understand that not everybody have well dominion of English language and technical terms also. I everyday read the SMML and sometimes i really get dubitative with the statements you made. There are wise people that i really admire. Derek Wakefield among others. Thank you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: PhotoEtch Hi Ken, >> I need some opinions here. I'd like some input on some good photo etch sets for the Dragon Tico/Spruance kits, Tamiya modern New Jersey, and Tamiya Yamato, all in 1/350 scale. << I have the Modern USN GMM set for the Dragon kits and it is very nice and the New Jersey set is extremely detailed. I haven't seen any others, so can't comment. >> Also, any places that would be able to blow these sets up to 1/96 or 1/72 scale? Thanks. << You really wouldn't want to. The railing would look awful at that scale and you can buy various pre built sections or stanchions anyway. The Floating drydock, Scaleshipyards and others sell 1/96 fittings and P/E/resin radar sets. 1/72 fittings and radar's can be purchased from the Task force 72 gang in Aussie land. Task Force 72 - Australia's Scale Warship Modellers The Floating Drydock The Scale Shipyard's Page Besides, I doubt the PE manufacturers would appreciate you making copies. Regards, Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: CAPTNWED@aol.com Subject: Size of Flight deck Planking Does anyone know the size (width and length) of the planking used on the flight decks of Escort carriers? Are they significantly different than those used on the Essex Class? Also, the size of the tie down strips. Any help, or ideas as to where to find this info will be much appreciated. Thanx in advance John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Navis Folks: I think we've probably all had enough of this thread concerning Navis magazine and its controversial (to be kind) editor, but I would like to set the record straight on one issue, and make a final point before laying this one to rest. Earlier this week a list-member requested evidence concerning the claim that Navis was recycling articles (a claim I leveled in my previous posting on this topic). For the record, I would like to give two examples: the September 1999 build article on the IJN Akizuki and the November 1999 build article on the USS Buckley appeared in two of the 1997 Navis issues (which were published before the magazine went commercial in early 1998). I have the articles in my files. Likewise, the photos of the HMS Illustrious in the January 2000 model gallery was recycled from one of the free issues from 1997. I could probably find additional examples had I more time. Is the recycling of already published articles that were once available gratis in a subscription e-zine unethical? I'll leave it to the reader to decide. But the fact that recycling is happening cannot be denied. I also received two nasty notes from Mr. Pizzi this week concerning my previous posting to SMML. Despite the fact that in this posting I referred to Navis as an "excellent" publication (twice by my recollection!) and recommended the individual who started this thread to subscribe to the magazine, Mr. Pizzi apparently did not like the fact that I also raised some criticisms of the magazine as well (including the recycling issue touched on above). He concluded his second letter by asking me not to resubscribe to his e-zine. I don't think that this kind of behavior helps the hobby, and it certainly won't help Mr. Pizzi stay in business, never mind attract new contributors, which will be necessary if Navis is to reach its true potential. Again, more in sorrow than in anger.... Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:2400 models >> It would be very nice if we had another model producer to compliment GHQ, C-in-C, Viking, and Superior, Panzershiffe, etc., but this is a new one on me. Dr. George H. Elder << Hi; Just for interest- Tumbling Dice 1:2400 Ironclads Hallmark 1:2400 Lepanto, Armada, Napoleonic, Crimean, and European Ironclads - starting with battle of Lissa. Also promise Span-Am war and Sino-Japanese war. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: PE for 1/350 Tico/Spruance, New Jersey, & Yamato To Ken Perry - (seeing as I share his last name, how could I not answer?) Gold Medal Models has special photoetched brass sets for all of these 1/350 scale kits. For the New Jersey, order GMM Set No. 350-1. For the Yamato, order No. 350-5. For either the Spruance or Ticonderoga, order No. 350-12 (the set will equip either of these ships - you'll need two sets if you're building one of each.) Each of these sets is priced at $36.00 plus $1 postage (the $1 will cover postage for the whole lot if you choose to order them all at once.) All come with illustrated instructions, and all are in stock now and may be ordered direct from: GMM/Ships 1412 Fisherman Bay Road, Lopez, WA 98261 USA. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Books another correction Hi group, The fat finger syndrome hit me when I posted yesterday. The 2 book Canadian shipping charge should be $5Cdn, not $6Cdn. Keith Butterley http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume