Subject: SMML VOL 825 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:23:48 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 1/350 HMS Dreadnought 2: Salmon Pink 3: Garbage Scows (Barges) 4: Decals, USN WWII Unshaded White Hull Numbers 5: Heinz' Heroes 6: HMS Galatea 7: SOT Submarines on Stamps 8: Re: Of Garbage scows and kings... 9: Re: Making hull bottoms 10: Re: Chilean ship 11: Re: Wish list beware, a final thought 12: Gold Medal Models - mini review 13: Re: An answer to Mike Maynard 14: Airfix HMS Victorious instructions anyone? 15: Canadian Navy Grey 16: MB MODELS 17: USCG Cutters and kits 18: Pit Road requests for 1/700 plastic kits 19: Admiral Scheer Plans 20: Re: Flush Deck book 21: A Question? 22: Destroyer Aviation question 23: Re: Attaching Rigging w/eye bolts 24: Canadian Warship paint 25: Halifax Frigates 26: Motorizing 27: Attaching rigging and who said that? 28: Yamato Reference 29: 1/350 NARROW SEAS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: TMW's Cyber-squatting 2: Books for sale 3: Book for sale 4: Toronto Area SMMLies 5: 1/500 George Washington's -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael D'Silva" Subject: Re: 1/350 HMS Dreadnought In response to John Impenna's posting: >> Anyone know of a 1/350 scale or larger kit of the Dreadnought? I don't recall seeing one anywhere. << Hi John, Yes, there is a 1/350 HMS Dreadnought kit available from Steel Navy/Rhino Models. The kit is resin and features top-notch casting. It also comes complete with photoetch fittings. The only thing missing are comprehensive instructions. However, that shouldn't bother anyone with basic modelling skills. The kit is very reasonably priced for 1/350 scale resin kit. For more details contact Rob Mackie: rmackie@pacbell.net or visit the Warship Web site: www.warship.simplenet.com/ for a preview of the model. Regards, Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Salmon Pink Hi WRPRESS Salmon Pink was a mainly orange colour used on official documents and publications (it still is nowadays). It wouldn't suprise me if it made it onto a warship. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From Alan Roots alanroots@aroots.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Garbage Scows (Barges) Hi! Would please stop referring to garbage scows in such derogatory, terms it hurts my feeling when this happens 'cos everything I build in small scale (1/700 & 1/600) finishes up looking like one. Happy modelling Alan R Hi Alan, Yeah, I know the feeling. Esp when one moves a model during a photoshoot, without removing the backing board - bent PE everywhere OUCH :-((. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Alan Simon Subject: Decals, USN WWII Unshaded White Hull Numbers Need help finding subject decals for 1/125 USS Johnston DD557. Require four sets "557" with each numeral approx. 1/4" high x 3/16" wide. GMM large scale naval ship decals (1/96 and 1/192) provide only 1/8" and 1/16" high unshaded hull numbers, respectively. Generic number/letter decal sets I've found do not accurately represent USN numeral style. Prefer decals, but is there a dry transfer alternative? Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Polvi, Henry" Subject: Heinz' Heroes Just been reading a book about the Canadian side of Lake Superior and came across an amusing anecdote. During WW2 German POWs were interned in three camps on the north shore of Lake Superior. Apparently at one camp the POWs had blackmailed a guard to provide a radio, etc, which was then hidden inside a scale model of the Bismarck the prisoners had built in camp. Tuning dials were camoflaged as turrets and the camp CO congratulated the Germans on their workmanship... Later a large group of POWs tunnelled their way to freedom with homemade compasses and clothing and papers - a couple made it out west to Calgary, trying to get to Japan, some were shot, the rest were returned to camp. Ein Great Escape? Henry Polvi Thornhill, ON Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "David Lilly" Subject: HMS Galatea Does anyone have information on the color scheme that the HMS Galatea (Arethusa Class light cruiser) was wearing when she was torpedoed by a U-boat in December 1941? I have information on her sister ships, Aurora and Penelope, but the Galatea seems to be, visually at least, something of a mystery ship with few wartime photos taken of her. There is a nice line drawing in Alan Raven's book on British cruisers but I don't believe there is any discussion of her camoflauge schemes. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. David Lilly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Doremus, Mark" Subject: SOT Submarines on Stamps Dropped by my local US Post Office yesterday. Saw a poster that they are going to be releasing 5 stamps in April commemorating USN submarines. Subjects are USS Holland, S Class, Gato Class (underwater), Los Angeles Class and Ohio Class. Well it is about miniature ships. FWIW Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Of Garbage scows and kings... Mike, Thanks for the kind words about my products. I was trying to point out what the decision making process that most of the manufacturers go thru. In fact, I just went thru this in the last couple of days. I was contemplating a 1/700 KM Prinz Eugen, real good sales potential, but found out that Samek models was already working on this subject. I dont like to duplicate, so I will have to pass on this one. The fact is, I dont have to release a kit of a CG cutter or something like that to find out how the sales will go, I know from observation of the very few others who have tried to do these things, that they, unfortunately, just dont sell that well, for my level of sales needed. That's not to say that a small, part-time, manufacturer could not have some success with a subject like this. The size is not the only concern in this process, notoriety, and popularity, are also key ingredients. So, if you hear a lot of the same reasoning, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then, well, you know............ Steve Wiper - Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Making hull bottoms Not too many models out in 1/700 with full hull options. I have built several 1/700 models with full hulls for clients. All I require is some hull sections and epoxy putty. I sand the bottom of the model with 100 grit sandpaper to give it "tooth" for the epoxy putty to hold on to. Then using the hull sections, port and starboard drawings I sculpt a hull bottom close to the configuration. At this point I don't worry about the shaft housings. Epoxy putty is very easy to sand and sculpt. 100 grit sandpaper will quickly smooth it down to the shape you need. Once the shape is how you want it, sand the entire hull with 200 wet/dry sandpaper to blend the texture of top and bottom hull together. As a last step, use brass rod for the prop shafts and attach. White glue can then be used to fair the shafts into the hull. However, since white glue shrinks so much you may have to apply it several time until you get the look you want. I know this sound like a lot of trouble, but it's much easier than it sounds. Give it a try on something simple and you will see what I mean. You only remaining problem will then be finding propellors. Hope this helps. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Chilean ship >> We also had among others a beautiful armored cruiser named "Esmeralda" which was transfered to Japan and fought Russian Japanese War under the name of "Itzumi" as far as i know nobody has ever made models kit (for sale)out of them. neither in my country nor abroad. << There is also the IMAI 1/350 Chilean Navy 4 masted bark Esmeralda. I have one that I had up for bid on ebay but got no takers. Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Wish list beware, a final thought >> First off, the proprietor of the shop approached me about what we (my club) would like to find in a hobby shop. << Same thing happened to us. >> Secondly, he OFFERED to give club members a discount. I did not need to "win his heart and mind". << Same thing here. >> Item three, I made no offers of increased business. << Neither did we (I). He made the assumption on his own. That's what I caution you to look out for. Make certain he understands that under no uncertain terms. It may save your friendship at a future date. >> He is, however, well aware that he is now the "only game in town". While there are three other hobby shops in the area (2 Train and 1 R/C) that have been around for decades, none of them carry model kits nor are they interested in ordering any. He is the only shop in about a forty mile radius that carries model kits. (other than the Revellogram cars found at, K Mart, Wal* Mart, or Toys R Us) He is the only shop in that same geographic area that carries theTamiya Acrylic, Testors MM, and Acryl paints. << When money is involved many strange things can occur. Such as blaming someone else for their bad business decisions. I just know that is what happened to us as a group. >> We hope that this is the beginning of a long relationship and we view it as an opportunity to tailor a hobby shop to the clubs needs. << So do I, and I wish you all the luck in the world. Just don't risk assuming everyone understands what is or isn't expected from you or your club. I'm not trying to discourage you from helping your hobby shop out. However, what I said is the voice of experience. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Gold Medal Models - mini review Just received the latest sets from GMM, #700-20 Anchors & Chains, and #700-22 Watertight Doors. WOW, WOW, WOW. GMM has reached a new height in detail subjects for 1/700 kits. Both sets are in stainless steel, and are relief, or two level, etched. The anchor set contains items for USN, KM, IJN, & early and late RN, plus Danforth style anchors, all in three sizes. Also included are three different sizes of center, or stud link chain. The detail of each type of anchor is exacting in every aspect, and will be a great addition to any 1/700 project. The watertight door set contains items for USN Standard, w/windows, three types of quick acting, and two types of open doors. The RN doors contained are Standard, open and closed, and the waffle pattern type. The IJN doors contained are, Small, Standard, open and closed, and Standard w/portholes. The set also includes fire hose racks, life rings, and 5 sizes of hatches. The level of detail is really good, able to enhance any superstructure just that much more. I believe these items to be very accurate and of a first rate quality. Once again, I know why I buy Gold Medal Model products, I want my projects to look as good as I could possibly make them. I highly recommend them. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: An answer to Mike Maynard >> I had hoped that the resin clan were model builders first and businessman second. To simply dismiss an idea (manufacture some new products instead of the same old same old) under the guise of "I build what I know will make money VS what do my potential customers want" is thinking like the fat cats at the BIG injection mold plants. << I think Steve Wiper is being misunderstood. I hate to say this (and Mike, I know you don't want to hear this) but I'm not in this business to break even just to contribute to the hobby. I make a fair profit on my products and the result is new products make it to the market. Some make a profit and some don't. When deciding on a subject to model, you first must see if there is a potential market to make back your R&D expenses. I don't make any profit until the R&D costs are made back. In the end, (since we don't have the money to hire market surveys) we risk our money hoping that sales will be there. If they aren't, we loose money on the model and it could be years before a profit is realized. Steve is correct when he says that cruisers, battleships and carriers are the best sellers. However, smaller craft (like Coast Guard cutters) would sell well if there is a sufficient number of people out there will to lay out the money for the kit. CC cutters is a pretty much an untouched market, so there is nothing to base the monetary risk on. Steve's resin and metal casters (as well as mine) don't work for free, and the initial investment for a run of 35 models is considerable. It's a risk some don't wish to take just to break even and contribute to the hobby. Sorry, but it's the bottom line I as a manufacturer must consider. To be successful in any endeavor, you must consider it a business first, and a hobby second. IF someone out there wants to pay for the R&D (at least $2500.00) for a coast guard cutter as well as the first run of the kit (another $800.00 to $1000.00), I'll consider doing one. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "David C. Maschino" Subject: Airfix HMS Victorious instructions anyone? I'm in need of a copy of the instructions for the Airfix 1/600 HMS Victorious. Please contact me offline if you have a copy (scan or photcopy fine), and I'd be glad to return the favor. David C. Maschino Hi David, While I don't have the instructions, I came across an Airfix Collector's site the other day at: http://www.djairfix.freeserve.co.uk/ If no SMMLie can help you out, this guy might be able to. I also came across a Frog site as well: http://www.frog.kits.freeuk.com/ I haven't had time to check either site out fully, but they may be of help & interest to the old farts out there like myself ;-). Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Tom Dean Subject: Canadian Navy Grey Mike: You have posed a question that I have been trying to solve for months. I have not been able to find an appropriate "off the shelf" paint that matches the grey used on the hull and superstructure. By the by, it's official number in naval parlance is grey 1-2 and the deck colour is grey 1-6 unless that too has changed! I wouldn't really describe it as grey/ green more of a ghost grey. My last 3 or 4 projects have been WWII era RCN ships so I had to condend with the camo schemes, and have not built a more modern vessel for maybe 6 yrs or so. At that time I spent many hours and a few bucks coming up with a proper mix, but like a fool forgot to note down the numbers. I was hoping that since that time and with all the new colours on the market one might be closer out of the bottle, but if so I haven't found it yet. I thought I found the one needed in Model Masters FS36495 acryl. When you pick up a bottle and give it a good shake it looks perfect, unfortunately like most paints it drys darker. I have been playing around lighting it up and if and when I come up with a good match I will post it. Better be soon, my HALIFAX (1/96) is fast approaching her first paint job. Beer machines in the gangway! That was a sop to the matelots when the politically correct government of the day didn't think that we should be playing with pointed things with explosives on the end after having our daily tot. They ordered the rum issue to cease in 1971, a date that was long remembered in the Canadian Navy with as much sorrow as Pearl Harbour in the USN! We use to really love it when we were tied up alongside an American "Tin Can" and we would have our rum issue on the Quarterdeck just so they could watch while they sucked back a Coke. They now have actual "bars" onboard. The wardroom of course, the Chief & PO's mess and one for Leading Seamen and below. Consumption is self controlled with some basic rules about how many a day at sea and non drinking hours before going on watch.etc. Again I will post my results as soon as I can. Hoping somebody has a better solution. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Miguel Costa" Subject: MB MODELS Thanks to all the mailers that have send to me details of the adress of MB. I'm searching for a U-VIIIC submarine in 1/350 Scale, and in the www.greatmodels.com web, i have seen that they announce that in the future MB models will have an U-VIIC, i have phoned to MB models, and the person that i have speak with it, says me that it wasn't true that they are not going to launch such submarine ????????. Any body knows any other manufacterer ot any modeller taht have this model in his catalogue or stock?. Commander series have one but they say me that is out of production. Why my interest? i'm making the ships that my father sails on its and Spain has one U-VIIC, and he was crew of it. Now i'm making a transformation of the commander series HMS Hesperus, to make the CISCAR, a Sanchez Barcaiztegui Class destroyer, and my nex project is the submarine,and transform the HMS Sheffield of White Ensign in The Cervantes Cruiser (heavy work). Miguel Costa Mallorca Balearic Islands "One place five islands" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Duane Fowler Subject: USCG Cutters and kits Hello All, Just a note to say that I personally would be interested in more kits of USCG subjects. I have acquired all - and I stress ALL - the USCG kits available (not counting the large fiberglass hull cutters due to space limitations although I am saving my pennies for one of the Bad 1/96 Hamilton class cutters!) from the wooden Ideal Model Aircraft Company USCGC Campbell to the Revell offerings. I even have the (ughhh) Lindberg USCG kits. I have even modified a few destroyer escort kits, flush deck destroyers, and F****r class corvette kits to their USCG arrangements. The Jag folks were talking about a 1/700 scale Hamilton and David Angelo of Loose Cannon Productions has a 1/700 WWII fit Eastwind that he was showing last year at the IPMS Nationals. I for one would welcome and guarantee at least one sale of any new USCG Cutter, especially in 1/350 scale. There are surprisingly few (One, count 'em, One!) USCG kits in this scale! How about a USCGC Bear, or Storis, or Northland, or the USCG's own submarine: the ocean going tug USCGC Tamaroa (sank at least three times that I know). An early Secretary Class cutter would be superb! Might I suggest the WPG33 (The BEST named ship in the US Coast Guard, as far as I am concerned!) with a J2F Duck on the stern? Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Pit Road requests for 1/700 plastic kits As someone recently mentioned, Pit Road (owner of the SkyWave line) posted a request on the Warship message board for ideas for future 1/700 plastic releases. If you have ideas (and I'm sure everyone does) and you havn't replied yet, do so immediately. Not only do I think it was a great for them to post the first request, they are also starting to reply to several responses (one person asked for a Benson-Livermore to which they confirmed one is slated for a end of year release, and another requested for a South Dakota class BB to which they replied they hadn't had much experience with that size of kit). Honest, straight forward responses from a big model company? Wow! What a nice surprise! This is behaviour I would expect from WEM or Classic Warships, not a big company like Pit Road. For all of you who always complained that your favorite ship wasn't getting the attention it deserved by the modeling companies, here's your chance! Pit Road has been nice enough to seriously ask us what we want (and realistically tell us their limitations). The more reponses they get, the better a chance of such a relationship growing. Many people have posted responses so far, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty more 1/700 enthusiasts on SMML. So go over there and make yourself heard! (Just imagine seeing the latest SkyWave kit appear on the shelves next year and being able to say "When they wanted to know what to make, they came to me, and they listened...") Yohan Fernando ...and no, I am not employed by Pit Road. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Admiral Scheer Plans Hi Does anybody know the whereabouts of an accurate set of drawings or plans for the Admiral Scheer after the major 1940 (?) refit of the bridge? I particularly want to know what equipment is in the uppermost platforms. Thanks Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Flush Deck book >> Re: Flush Decks Author The author of Flush Decks and Four Stacks is John D. Alden. << Who, I might add, is a member in good standing of the SubCommittee. Tom DOugherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Kevin Surjan" Subject: A Question? Hi all, What do companies such as Revell, Heller, Airfix, Matchbox etc, do with their moulds when they are not being use. It seems to me that these manufacturers only re issue old kits every ten to twenty years (I probably am wrong, but whatever). I've been trying to get some old 1/700 Matchbox kits for a while now but they seem to be as rare as hens' teeth. I'm not blaming anyone since business is business, but is it possible for these companies to lease (or rent) these moulds out to other smaller manufacture? In that way they could at get some return from their investments instead of waiting for years to recoup their initial outlay. Then we could get kits that we might only see ever once in a while if at all and they could get their money, so everybody is happy. Just an idea. Regards, Kevin Surjan Perth, Western Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Millen, Alan R." Subject: Destroyer Aviation question Harking back to the thread on the USS Pringle and her fit with catapult and Kingfisher, anyone consider her stablemate (sort of), USS Noa and her SOC Seagull from the 'thirties? There are (I think) both a Seagull and a Kingfisher in 1/350th available. Could make for an interesting "generational" diorama. What catapult would the Noa have mounted? A cruisers? Alan R. Millen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Attaching Rigging w/eye bolts >> There are eyebolts available commercially. Check your local hobby store for Detail Associates railroad aftermarket accessories. << Also check for Gold Medal Models N-scale Model Railroad details - Specifically handrail stanchions for steam locomotives (GMM Set No.160-42.) I use these on my 1/350 ships for tying the black invisible thread to. I have to give Loren Perry credit for suggesting this technique to me. Works great! Regards, Darren Scannell (Do I really have to say it?) all right, no commercial interest, just a happy customer. And I know black invisible thread sounds pretty stupid, but that's really what it's called!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Canadian Warship paint >> What's a good match (enamel and/or acrylic) for the greenish-gray paint? << Hi Mike, When I was on board last October, I procured a sample jar of paint from ships stores. I ran it through the old airbrush when I got home onto some plastic card and have a very nice paint chip. The closest comparison to FS numbers to my eye is FS36473. It isn't perfect, but darn close. To be perfect it needs to be lightened just a shade and a drop of pale green added. I continue to search the paint racks for a closer match, but have come up empty handed so far. Alternatively, I also happened to acquire a paint can label with a code that can be matched by Glidden paints. This will give the right colour, but in a very thick paint base. Regards, Darren Scannell Hi gang, Ok, my curiosity is piqued - how similar is RCN grey to RAN grey?? Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Ron Hillsden" Subject: Halifax Frigates What's a good match (enamel and/or acrylic) for the greenish-gray paint? Humbrol: 1 part - #34, 1 part - #65 and 2 parts - #35. That colour disappears on a little sample of a ship I have, but the colour is MATT whereas the ship is GLOSS. Lots of advice on this list, if you need it, to modify the tint for a model and convert it to gloss. Ron Hillsden, Victoria BC Canada My boat club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Ron Hillsden" Subject: Motorizing Loren Perry wrote: >> one very effective way to silence a drive train on my model ships, and that was to eliminate the gear train entirely << You can't beat that advice - it's right on and the most effective thing to do! I would like to add 3 things: 1. Mount the electric motors in a bed of silicone sealant. This will reduce the vibration going to the hull. Your hull is like a speaker box - it will magnify any vibration or noise. 2. If you really do need to reduce your shaft rpm's, use pulley reduction with an O-ring driving it (no chains or cogged belts), and 3. Spend extra time on your shaft alignment and fit. If it's not spot-on, the prop will whip the shaft around and create a vibration, which you will hear. Ron Hillsden, Victoria BC Canada My boat club: http://members.home.net/vmss/ Flags: http://members.home.net/ron-hillsden/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Attaching rigging and who said that? Hi group, I superglue sections of 700 scale ladder to where ever it is needed to help attach lines. I just paint it the surrounding colour and it blends right in to the background, it works for me. Can some of our USN history buffs help me out here. I have found three signals that I thought were interesting in their own way. I would like to know who sent them and when, I do have a little info. The first one is from the Battle of Coral Sea: "Scratch one flatop". The next two are from the time of the battles around Guadacanal. the first one seems pretty basic, but I have my reasons ;-) "Attack-Repeat-Attack". The next one is pure Americanna, I mean you just gotta love it "Play ball". What other country in the world would have sent their navy into battle with that line? Have a good weekend everybody. Keith Butterley http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: jpn001@heitech.com.my Subject: Yamato Reference Thanks to that reply to my message. Now for my real question, does anybody knows where can find or willing to sell the book The Battleship Yamato by Janusz skulski. I search everywhere on the internet (amazon, e-bay, barnes & nobles, bookfinders etc) but none of them have or knows where I can get them. If anybody have the book can you help me by photocopy or duplicate or whatever any diagrams that show the details of the ship or the equipment on the the ship. Another thing is about the reference from Gakken. I've tried to search at Hobby Link Japan using the advance search but the result is zero, does anyone knows where can I obtain it. Thanks Kamarul Hairi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: 1/350 NARROW SEAS >> and fifteen "1/350 NARROW SEAS" patterns all ready to go, << Drool! Drool! Slober! Whine! Hi; Can I get a list of these?? Can you put me on the e-mailing list when these are available?? Chuck Duggie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: TMW's Cyber-squatting In reply to James Corley - >> Gold Medal Models (GMM) is a U.S. Registered Trademark and cannot be used by any other party for commercial purposes. Moreover, GMM already has a website at a different domain address, easily found using a search engine - simply type in Gold Medal Models. A second GMM website appears on the Navis webpage. << >> Unfortunately, this action is legal. The area of Cyber-Squatting is vague, since there is "no controlling legislation" over this area. Copyright issues do not apply to the internet domain name arena yet. I have registered the name "Revellogram" and intend to use it as a joke page, making satirical remarks about the large model companies. The question is, Loren, why didn't you register the name yourself? It only costs about $149 for two years of usage. < Your own post answered this question for you, James. It contained a quote from my original post indicating that I already have two websites at different addresses. I felt no need (and still have no need) to register and pay for a lot of other names I had little or no intention of using. GMM is not a web-based business and likely won't ever be. We're a traditional mail-order business and manufacturer. Our dealers around the world can take orders over the web, so we don't have to. We only use the web to promulgate information, not to take orders. We don't do business over the web because we're swamped with orders as is just via the regular mail services. We couldn't handle the added load if we started taking credit card orders. If that were the case, we'd have to hire extra staff and quality control might suffer, and I'd have no time left over to design new GMM products. Better to keep the load lighter so we can keep the product quality as high as possible. >> I'm sure Tom would be willing to sell the rights to the name to you, too. << Oh, please, James. You ARE joking, right? ;-) >> May not be fair, but like I tell my kids.....show me the clause in your contract saying life has to be fair. << Whoops - better clean those ol' bifocals, James. I believe I addressed the subjects of honesty and ethics. I never said anything about fairness, now did I? Instead, I only passed on the information that was sent to me along with some relevant data that puts the incident into proper perspective. This allows the reader to decide for himself/herself as to whether or not it was ethical (or fair.) Here's why that data was relevant: the photoetcher mentioned in my original post destroyed Tom Harrison's counterfeit 1/350 Titanic artwork on June 1, 1998, forcing Mr. Harrison to start from scratch. Tom Harrison bought the GMM domain name on June 4, 1998, just three days later. I can't imagine why. Frankly, I thought his actions were more childish than unfair. All is fair in love and war, and I suppose these days that also extends to business. But all is not legal. Cyber-squatting may be legal as of today (that may change if some members of Congress have their way) but to me, it's not a problem, practically speaking. GMM's websites have been up and running for a couple of years now and they work just fine. I don't pay a dime for them and never have. They were set up for us gratis by highly satisfied customers who wanted to do something nice for us in return, and I'm grateful for their kindness. So if Tom's Modelworks wants to shell out his hard-earned money for the privilege of pretending he's Gold Medal Models, I guess I can't stop him. Must be nice to be filthy rich. BTW James, if you want to carry this thread further, let's do it offsite via e-mail. No need to soil SMML any further with TMW's antics. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: Books for sale THE FOLLOWING BOOKS ARE FOR SALE The U-boat, the evolution and technical history of German submarines, large well- illustrated with plans and photos, in English 1981 by Eberhard Rossler $50.00 U-Boat War, in English about a U-boat's patrol with lots of on board photos $40.00 U-Boats under the Swastika by Showell 1988 well illustrated in English $25.00 The German Navy in World War Two,1979, in English with lots of photos and organizational information by Showell $35.00 The Ships of the German Fleets 1848-1945, large well illustrated color history in English 1973 $40.00 The Cruiser Bartolomeo Colleoni by Gay (Anatomy Series) 1987 $25.00 Luigi di Savoia Duca Degli Abruzzi by Gay, Italian Navy series in Italian but well illustrated with plans and photos, parts I and II $25.00, part III $25.00 please reply off list to PC Coker at mailto:cokerre@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Percy, John" Subject: Book for sale Hello all, I have a book for sale: At last the real encyclopedia of World War II battleships! With over 250 photographs and detailed line drawings, full technical data, complete coverage of ship design and wartime service record, you can track the moves of battle wagons from Argentina to South Dakota. Don't miss the battleships that were the picture of naval might! 320 pages, by MJ Whitly Cost: $65, shipping included. US and its territories and Payment by money order, please. John Percy mailto:jpercy@clariion.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Toronto Area SMMLies Thought I'd try again. I know there are more out there all the way to Hamilton, I'm still trying to find people to travel with to the SMMLie con. I'm waiting for John Rule to confirm, but haven't heard from anyone else. Isn't anyone else going? Let's make the Canuck contingent one to reckon with! Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: 1/500 George Washington's Are in and being shipped big box.Thank you all for your patience there very nice kits. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume