Subject: SMML VOL 838 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:29:43 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: window screen stuff 2: Re: Window Screen Stuff: 3: Re: Bunker Hill 4: Re: FSM April edition & USS John Paul Jones 5: Heller is listening! 6: Hillary's destroyer ;-) 7: Re: History of PE 8: Duke of York 9: Admiral Fletcher 10: KGV references 11: HMAS Perth 12: Re: Squadron Signal "in Action" - Naval Aviation 13: Re: Colorado 14: Re: BROOKLYN CLASS MODELS 15: Re: The OHIO 16: Re: Airfix HMS Amazon 17: Re: Scheer photos 18: Graf Spee class 19: Minesweeping 20: Same kit? 21: Re: Squadron Signal "in Action" - Naval Aviation 22: April FSM Edition 23: anchor chain 24: 1/700 Phoenix & Louisville 25: Re: Squadron Signal "In Action" 26: Ships 1890s-1919 27: Re: USS Prinz Eugen (and other items) 28: Re: FSM April edition. 29: PH Ms-1 Navy Blue 30: Franklin Expedition 31: Airfix HMS Amazon 32: USS Vogelgesang (DD-862.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: NEW UPDATE 2: Viruses - Pretty Park -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS Re: World Politics Hi gang, While I can agree with the spirit in Loren's post yesterday, I think it best that partisan politics be kept out of any future debate. As such, I have decided not to post any more of the posts replying to this particlar thread, since they were starting to get a bit hot. Yes, commentary on current naval matters is welcome, but please remember that this is an international list & keep personal views on domestic & international politics to a minimum. Afterall, as modellers we do dabble in historical & present day politics from time to time and we cannot help forming our own views about certain things. I do not wish SMML to become a sterile, politically correct forum, nor do I want it to become like rms. I would like people to feel able to contribute without worrying about being shot down in flames due to a differing political view. It is almost impossible to keep politics out of any discussion but let's not go too overboard. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: window screen stuff I've used Detail Master's modeling screen for a variety of items, including intake screens and radar. It appears to be nylon mesh and comes in 74, 109, and 140 lines per inch 8" x 10" sheets. The mesh is square. Another similar product, but made of aluminum and with diamond mesh, is available from Scale Scenics. The mesh is coarser, perhaps 50-60 lines per inch, and the sheet is about 3" x 6". Neither product lists an address, but I got them through my local hobby shop. He, in turn (I think) got them through the Walthers model railroad catalog. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: David_L._Miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Re: Window Screen Stuff: I made a radar antenna for a Lindbergh Blue Devil (RC) out of the plastic window screen material. It does not look as "woven" as wire screen, and I had no trouble with it coming apart I shaped it, put thin CA on it, trimmed it and painted it, and it looked good. Dave Miller -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Bunker Hill >> A friend of mine is going to start U.S.S. Bunker Hill project. Well, what he needs are colors related info. What colors were used for camo of hull, deck and other parts. If color info would be related to FS standard (as close as possible), or Model Master, Humbrol or Tamiya range, it would be great. << Which Bunker Hill; The Essex-class Carrier or the Ticonderoga Class cruiser? John R. Sheridan If I'm talking Decals, then I'm talking for Microscale, Otherwise I am speaking for myself. What I do to Spammers: http://microscale.com/images/N2.jpg I am not a Member of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) and I am not Unit #631 Last last place on earth I would look for the Lumber Cartel(tm) is http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: FSM April edition & USS John Paul Jones >> I was recently reading the April 2000 edition of Fine Scale Modeler and in the last page is an article about how the F7U Cutlass was improved and reactivated for carrier duty off Vietnam in 1970 . Retiled the F7D Cutlass was used to replace the F 4 Phantom and F 8 Crusader "provided to be failures against the Migs as interceptor for air cover. << The F7U Cutlass was withdrawn from operational service in 1957. I think you are thinking of the A7 Corsair II which looks like a shorter version of the F-8 Crusader. These were built in the early 1960s and flew with the Navy well into the 1980s and with the USAF until the early 1990s. >> "It lists a book called Naval Fighters No. Six Chance Vought F7U Cutlass, Steve Ginter 1982. << Which I have right in front of me at the momnent. I also have a few other Ginter books such as the F4D Skyray (back Joe!), the F-11F, and the A3D Skywarrier. Here's the URL for Steve's books: http://www.mozeyoninn.com/ginterbooks.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Heller is listening! Hello all, Well Heller is listening in a sense. If you visit my website, International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm and scroll down a bit on the main page, you will see a section on contacting Heller via email. There is a link to send an email to Francis Reiser and send him your wishes and desires regarding new subjects and re-issues. Peter (and anyone as a matter of fact) I would love to have some photos of your Heller kits for the site's Gallery. Just email off-line at imm_web_master@yahoo.com Thanks, Fellix Bustelo Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: Hillary's destroyer ;-) >> "I have to agree with the man, I wonder if Hillary is still demanding that a destroyer be named after her." << Was that a joke? :-) If so what would she be christened... USS Sea "Rhymes with Witch"? Connie Chung would do the honors I'm sure...lol On another quasi naval/political note... Chinese subsidiaries now own the Panama Canal?!! And speaking of that does the US Navy pay when it has a ship transit the canal? Do we do it a great deal? If so what are the most common types to transit and what's the largest?.... It might make for an interesting diorama... Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: History of PE >> I built my first model using photoetched brass in 1980 - 1982, a << Loren's stuff was an inspiration to me so I did the artwork and had Photo-Cut do the etching for the P.E.I used on my scratchbuilt 1/96 USS MASSACHUSETTS back in 1983. Ever since then I have used the services of Photo-Cut for all my projects. I did buy one of those little home photo etchers and have used it for many parts but they were never as "fine" as the stuff I had done commercially. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Alan Lindstrom Subject: Duke of York Anyone know what camo the Duke of York was wearing at the time of the Scharnhorst action. I have one reference that indicates she was carrying 38 20mm singles. Any possibility of figuring out where the 20s were located. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Admiral Fletcher Hi Michael I think that contemporary opinion of Fletcher wasn't particularly high either. Vandegrift in particular did not have anything nice to say about him. My thoughts are that he withdrew his force from Guadalcanal very precipitately and in the face of little real threat thus forcing the support forces to withdraw and dumping the marines. In contrast the Royal Navy took massive losses and damage in evacuating Crete and removed one of their admirals who didn't measure up. However, there was no question of not risking valuable ships to help the army. Fletcher was not appropriate for the role he was placed and eventually he had to be removed. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: KGV references Hi Allan I totally agree. The AA positions for KGV are correct though. I've checked all of them against photos and so can confirm that much. Raven and Roberts is more accurate than Tamiya for the KGV. The 1/700 model is a particular mess. You do need to watch out for tubs though. Raven and Roberts put some 20mm in tubs when they were free standing. Other unreliable drawings Repulse (doesn't show after deck ventilators) Warspite (doesn't show the 4 x twin 20mm added later in the war) The upshot is the only really reliable source is a photograph (if you can find one). Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: HMAS Perth Hi All I've recently obtained a copy of the Naval Historical Society of Australia's monograph HMAS Perth by Alan Payne. Unfortunately there are some pages missing. Does anyone have a copy and if so can they possibly provide me with copies of page nos 61, 62, 63 and 64. Many thanks Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Al Superczynski Subject: Re: Squadron Signal "in Action" - Naval Aviation >> I had sent an e-mail to the Squadron Web Site but only got a response of "sorry but no, there is not a list of all past volumes of the "in Action Series" available on the Internet << Au contraire, mon ami. There *is* just such a list on my website. HTH, Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Colorado WRPRESSINC@aol.com wrote: >> Isn't Colorado west of the Hudson? << There's precious little EAST of the Hudson.... ;^) JWS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "lcp9" Subject: Re: BROOKLYN CLASS MODELS LOOSE CANNON doesn't make a BROOKLYN CLASS model, But does make a 1/700 USS VINCENNES. I can send you info on that kit if you are interested. David Angelo LOOSE CANNON PRODUCTIONS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Re: The OHIO Hi All, Phil Golin wrote: >> does anyone know of any 1/350th (or larger) plans of the tanker OHIO (preferably including the position of any AA guns) suitable for scratchbuilding ?<< I would only add does anyone know of any model kits in 1:700 for a pedestal Ohio? I can now build Braham, Ledbury and Penn but there's no Ohios around. Good plans though would help a million. I have drawings and a Len Jordan, 1:1200 scale Ohio which are a great help. Are there any other photos around of her at this time other than the IWM set? .......desperate to do a Pedestal dio!! Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo......(Te Reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Mike Dunn mailto:mike@mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: Airfix HMS Amazon >> I've been trying to detail the Airfix HMS Amazon as she appeared in the '70s. However, I'm come to the realisation that my photographic references aren't all that they should be. I have an article that appeared in an old 'Scale Models' issue, but not much else. Could anyone advise if they know of any photos on the web or in printed form. << Tony If you haven't already for the book Modern Combat Ships 5 by Lippiett, get it asap!!!! I'm doing Amazon, as commissioned, and there are several differences between this and later vessels, eg watertight doors, masts. This is a damn good book for the Type 21 in general, and has several shots of Amazon early in her life. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Scheer photos David, I have a drawing of her in approx. 1/500, both plan an overhead......if they will help......contact me at djudy3@erols.com Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "graham" Subject: Graf Spee class Hi can the collective here settle a dispute? Was the Graf Spee class Pocket Battles ships, or Heavy Cruisers???? I say and always have they were Cruisers, Ok very well armed ships but Cruisers non the lest. I recall reading some where that the German Navy called them protected Cruisers? Anyway it will make a good discussion point. best wishes Graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Minesweeping Greetings SMMLmates; I am currently working on two of Tamiya's 700 scale Japanese auxileries: A Harashima class minelayer and Minesweeper #19. Both are sweet little kits. My question is: Does anyone know of any photos or other resources showing minesweepers minesweeping? Are paravanes attached to these ships in much the same manner as recently described for the Iowa class BBs? If so, any seabase showing minsweeping would seem somewhat anticlimatic. Any information would be helpful. Thanks, John Collins Atlanta, GA Where the weather is still pretending to be springlike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "graham" Subject: Same kit? Hi, Is the Revel "Hipper class" ships their own molds or are they Italeri moulds? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Edgar Arnold Subject: Re: Squadron Signal "in Action" - Naval Aviation >> I have been able to identify all of the titles of all of the "in Action" series except for # 1012, # 1116 and # 1118 and was hoping that some of these volumes might correlate with the aircraft listed above.... << Chris The identies of the missing volumes are: 1012 B-17 in Action 1116 MiG 15 in Action 1118 KC-135 Stratotanker in Action Hope this helps Ed ARNOLD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Ed Grune Subject: April FSM Edition Craig (and you too Shane): Check it out - the title on the piece about the Cutlass was "History you can't model". Given the time constraints of putting a magazine such as FSM out, and given its cover date - its the April 2000 edition. April Fools! Ed Hi Rd, Never fear, I will check it out, once it hits Australia in approx two months ;-) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: JERRYC988@aol.com Subject: anchor chain Hello all Can anyone tell me where i can get anchor chain in 1/700 scale and also in 1/350 scale, thanks gang. Jerry Curtis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Mike_C Subject: 1/700 Phoenix & Louisville My USS Phoenix kit was designed to represent her as she appeared at Pearl Harbor in 1941. It also includes parts to make Honolulu in mid-1942, after slight changes had been made to her armament and boat arrangements. Both have the early style bridge and splinter shields. P/E brass is available from Tom's Modelworks for cranes, searchlight towers and such. I'm also a big fan of GMM super fine hand rails. I also made the master for the JSP kit while I was with Naval Works. My former partner sold the master to JSP. It represents Honolulu (IIRC) after her bridge had been cut back and 40mm guns added. It's current disposition is unknown to me. As a side note, I designed the kit with the superstructure as a separate piece to make it easier to hollow out the lateral passageways and Naval Works produced it that way. JSP molded that as part of the hull, making it almost impossible to change. Casting quality on the JSP kit was far better, though, since it was done by the same guys who went on to become JAG. These notes are for if you happen to run across either at a used kit sale. If RMS doesn't have my Phoenix kit (they are in the process of closing down), try Pacific Front Hobbies. They usually have the best stock of my kits. If they don't have it right now, they soon will because I'm currently working on a new batch. In regard to the Louisville kit, that was done five years ago before much of the current camouflage information became available. Mine was very close, but the Classic Warship book finally revealed the correct pattern for the starboard side camouflage, for instance. The problem is that colors were often substituted for those on the official design sheets, so I was never 100% sure of what was actually used. This is one of the pitfalls of trying to interpret B & W photos. If someone has seen color photos that conclusively show 5N as being used, then that is the obvious choice. Many thanks to those who have recommended my kits. I appreciate your support. Mike Czibovic Corsair Armada Productions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Squadron Signal "In Action" Chris Neel: My old collection of Squadron catalogs only take me back as far as 1014 "Gunslingers," so I can't tell you what 1012 was. HOWEVER 1116 was "MiG-15" and 1118 was "KC-135" While we're off-topic, I'd like to honor today, March 2, Texas Independence Day. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Ships 1890s-1919 I've seen a number of posting which deal with modeling and/or information requests for turn of the century warships, therefore, I thought I would post a couple of WWI web pages which deal in naval warfare. For years I've been a WWI history buff and found a number of good archives containing pictures, facts and histories . . . it was probably this interest which lead to my down fall. "Still playing with those little boats", to paraphrase a quote from an earlier entry. These are good sites for everyone who is interested in the genesis of the modern warships. Suggest you look at: http://www.richthofen.com/arcdocs/toc/ and http://www.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/n0000000.htm Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: USS Prinz Eugen (and other items) >> But seriously, why not just settle for 1/400 scale injection molded kits? We've already got the Bismarck, Prinz, KGV, PoW, Hood and Illustrious (all couresty of Heller). All we need are few RN DDs, four key cruisers, the Rodney, the Ark Royal (the real hero!) << What did Ark Royal have to do with it? It was a Swordfish that did the real work. :-) Bismarck, Prinz Eugen, and KGV are findable, and there are some Illustrii still about, but Hood is hard to find. Bad: I wanted one. Good: I couldn't find one for less than $100 US, so now I'll get the ICM kit. Yeah, about the same price, but it griped me to pay that much above list. (To go with Scheer, Gniesenau, and Strasbourg. And Jean Bart. Heller isn't as good as Tamiya, but they're good value and boy do they have an interesting selection.) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: OT: SQUAWKS! >> "Squawks" are problem listings that pilots generally leave for maintenance crews to fix before the next flight. << Hmm, so that's where it came from. I see them from astronauts all the time, and thought it was just a way to bump up priority. I need to come up with some similar solutions... 8-) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: FSM April edition & USS John Paul Jones >> I was recently reading the April 2000 edition of Fine Scale Modeler and in the last page is an article about how the F7U Cutlass was improved and reactivated for carrier duty off Vietnam in 1970 . [...] Hi Craig, This was hashed out in rms in the last week or so - it's supposed to be an April's Fool joke ;-). << Yup. I saw it start on RMS and thought it was the usual nitpickyness (I know nothing about F7Us), then got my FSM and saw the "Phantom never worked. Now wait a minute! I knew Cutlasses never carried those weapons or replaced F4s! Then I reread the start of the thread and realized that the author was kidding, and that everybody else was conspiring to keep it quiet. So I posted too: "he got the history All Wrong!" Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: FSM April edition. Craig... Read the top of that page. History you *can't* model (as opposed to the usual History you CAN model). I have to admit, I did a major double take at that page at first glance. It's a good fictional what if, as the Cutlass had very sleek lines for it's time. In reality though, the plane deserved it's "Widow Maker" rep as it was a very difficult plane to fly, and resulted in many an inexperienced naval aviator's death. Per "The American Fighter", four of America's best test pilots and 21 USN pilots lost their life in Cutlasses, and a quarter of the production aircraft were lost in accidents. All were removed from service in a relatively short time due to the inherent danger of the aircraft. From other things I've read, it was a plane ahead of it's time as it would've required fly-by-wire avionics to make it safe to fly. The F-8 was one of the best fighters of the Vietnam era. USN pilots coined the term "When you're out of F-8's, you're out of fighters." It was the closest equivalent the USN had to the Mig-21 during the conflict in size and manuverablity, was the last USN fighter (until the appearance of the F-14) with a gun armament (re: it's nickname, the Gunfighter), but suffered from a lack of all-weather capability, and it wasn't as fast as a Mig-21. The F-4 was the best all around fighter of the conflict, but suffered from the lack of a internal cannon (something the USAF got in '67 with the E model, which IIRC, the USN never adopted because of it's increased length). Fly Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: PH Ms-1 Navy Blue Has anyone put up the infamous MS-1 = Navy Blue pics that were of much discussion a few months back on a website yet? I thought Steve said he was going to (or was considering doing so), but the last time I visited the CW site for my monthly drool session, I didn't find said photos. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "John Clements" Subject: Franklin Expedition The posting about the forthcoming 'Iceblink' reminded me of a book on the same subject I read recently - well, within the last ten years. I'm away from home at the moment so can't recall the name, but it was written by the members of a scientific team that had traced the path of the expedition and exhumed some of the frozen and preserved bodies of the Franklin crew and used modern scientific analysis to investigate the cause of death. They found that every body showed signs of lead poisoning and, to be brief, from this, diary evidence of behaviour, and remains of food containers, concluded that indeed lead poisoning from crude canning techniques could have been a major factor in the disaster. Gradual accumulations of the poison could have caused officers to take irrational decisions that made disaster inevitable. The authors point out that if the crew were healthy they should have survived. Makes you think, doesn't it, about the unknown effects of new technology...... John Clements -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "Michael Kear" Subject: Airfix HMS Amazon >> I've been trying to detail the Airfix HMS Amazon as she appeared in the '70s. However, I'm come to the realisation that my photographic references aren't all that they should be. I have an article that appeared in an old 'Scale Models' issue, but not much else. Could anyone advise if they know of any photos on the web or in printed form. << G'day Tony, Yes, Shane offered lots of great resources that proved and will prove very useful. Also, I was on board HMS Ambuscade, Amazon's sister ship in 1993. I took 3 rolls of pictures, including some wide landscape shots of port side of HMS Arrow and the Starboard side of HMS Ambuscade from the tour boat in Plymouth Harbour. Also, I have the book Modern Combat Ships 5 - Type 21 - which has a host of pictures, (mostly black & white) including one of Amazon sliding down the launch rails. There are copious photos of the ships in the Falklands era, and one I like a lot - HMS Amazon's Capt John Lippiett water skiing behind his ship across the equator. I'd be more than happy to scan any pics you want. I dont think it's viable or right to just scan the lot for you, but if you'd like to give me an idea of what you're interested in, I'll be glad to share what I have with you. And at 1/72 scale, my model will have a model zodiac bigger than your model :) If anyone else is interested in what this class of frigate is all about, I'm rebuilding my former Task Force 72 site into a HMS Ambuscade site. (We're building a new Task Force site elsewhere). My site is going to include pictures and story about how I'm building the model, as I go. So if you follow along, you'll be able to see how stupid I'm being doing something the way I do, and be able to say "I told you so!" later on when I get into trouble. And perhaps you might learn a little, as I always do looking on while someone else models. But I hope you'll find it interesting. The site's at http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.htm The first part of the story is is in the "From the model boatyard" page. Cheers, Mike Kear Task Force 72 - Australia's 1/72 Warship Modellers Windsor, NSW, Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Michael Kear" Subject: USS Vogelgesang (DD-862.) Just after the turn of the century, Loren Perry wrote: >> I built my first model using photoetched brass in 1980 - 1982, a scratchbuilt 1/96 scale R/C USN destroyer, the USS Vogelgesang (DD-862.) The methods I used were introduced to me by Mr. John Ficklen (then of Atlanta) who had won several IPMS/USA awards with his beautiful scratchbuilt 1/192 scale USN Cruiser, USS Atlanta (CLAA-51) that made heavy use of PE fittings. He later repeated his wins with a 1/96 scale version of the same ship. John drew his own artwork and then had the parts made by Foto-Cut of Erieville, New York. I did the same on my project, drawing the artwork with pen and ink on paper. << If you haven't heard about Loren's awesom USS Vogelgesang (and I think Loren's too modest to trumpet this model's extraordinary quality) then let me say I read an article in the regrettably defunct Scale Ship Modeler about it. I was thunderstruck. I had long enjoyed looking at ship models, but I had NEVER seen a model to this standard. The standard of modelling was beyond my understanding at the time, but I have seen some of Loren's work in magazines since, and now believe it's just ordinary ho-hum outstanding for him. Awesome and unbelieveable for anyone else. It's said that museums won't have any Loren Perry models, because they're so realistic, no one will believe they're models. It's not just an extraordinary model, its a series of tiny dioramas. For example, there's some sailors sunbathing on deck, lying on towels. There's a sailor painting a bulkhead, so there's some steel that's only painted with undercoat. The small details are crisp and clean, completely unlike anything I'd ever seen before. I lay in bed for hours just staring at the pictures in the magazine, taking as much of this model in as I could. My wife couldn't figure out why I'd just stare at the same page for so long. When ever I need inspiration to model, I get that magazine out again and have another read. Now Loren tells us it was the first time he'd done photo etching???? Man he learns fast! That Perry guy is a phenomenal modeller. Why don't you put that article on a web site Loren? Can I do it for you? Or does the dead magazine have the rights? Another awesome series by Loren was a series of 3 articles he wrote for the same magazine about his equally amazing model of USS Long Beach - about animating the model for radio control. This series of articles is also great inspiration for me and I read it often. Pity that magazine's gone. It was my only compulsory reading every month. Cheers, Mike Kear AFP Models, Windsor, NSW, Australia http://www.afp.zip.com.au/models.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bill Gruner Subject: NEW UPDATE Our new FEB.2000 UPDATE is now posted on our website....lots of new kits, books and accessories, including ther new Zhengdefu kits from China, a couple of surprise releases from WSW, lots more....also we should have in stock very shortly 2 new Profile Morskies from Poland: IJN Light Cruisers Yubari and Tama....$14.00 each. Check it out! Thanks, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Shane Subject: Viruses - Pretty Park Hi gang, Well I've just recieved another pretty park worm unwittingly from a subscriber. If you get this from anyone - please do not run the .exe file - trash it straightaway. If you do run this program, it will attempt to send itself to all the listees in your address book. There are plenty of sites that can help you with this, I personally use the Symantec AntiVirus Research Center at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ This site will also give the rundown on all the hoaxes that are floating around the net. Please read it & help stop people sending hoaxes, by referring them here. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume