Subject: SMML VOL 841 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:30:17 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: HMS Jupiter 2: Adm Fletcher 3: Re: KuK Radetzky 4: RC battlewagons 5: "KuK" 6: Re: Evarts Class DE 7: Re: Resin vs. Plastic 8: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 9: Re: 80s USN UNIFORMS 10: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11: Scharnhorst camouflage 12: Graf Spee class - Derek Wakefield's comments 13: Re: The WEM torture method 14: Re: KuK RADETSKY 15: K.u.K Radetzky 16: Steve's book collection 17: Roedean School and HMS Collingwood 18: Re: SCHARNHORST 19: Graf Spee class 20: Badger Nozzle Tip, addendum 21: Black Swan Class 22: Re: dullcote haze 23: SeaBat Replicas/1:2400 Scale Decals 24: HMS Devastation Article Search 25: JAG Newport 26: Chinese Junks 27: CABOT/DEDALO (CVL 28) Preservation Efforts 28: USS JP Jones DD-932 29: Dullcote Yellowing 30: Paint Remover 31: Ohsumi CVL? 32: Tamiya 1:700 Fletcher 33: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 34: KGV saga, part XXIV 35: Revelation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: SMML web site update 2: More Kriegsmarine books for sale 3: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR 1200/1250 FANS!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: HMS Jupiter Hi Filipe The action took place on 17.1.42. I-65 was depth charged to the surface and then engaged by Jupiter. Apparently the Japanese ship could not dive and so tried to fight it out on the surface. This is despite the fact that Jupiter's Lewis and Oerlikons were shooting the Japanese crew down. During this engagement they hit A mount killing 3 crew members and wounding 9. It would have been difficult to find a replacement twin 4.7 turret but a single 4.7 would have probably been available. I'm still looking for the damage report from the engagement which (if it exists) will supply the necessary detail. Changing mounts (especially if they were similar) would not be a difficult job perhaps taking a day. There was certainly plenty of time to do so between the action and the battle of the Java Sea. If you're interested I'll send you a copy of the report on the engagement between Jupiter and I-65 Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Adm Fletcher Hi Rob I have noticed a tendency among miltary historians to pick an unfavoured or incompetent officer and 'demonstrate' how in fact he wasn't as bad as is claimed. The most absurd examples of this are the attempts to claim that Baron Mack was anything but incompetent at Ulm. I think that Lundstrom is one of these and his eye has alighted on Fletcher. John Sheridan's post in SMML 839 sums up the position very well. Other accounts suggest that the fuel situation was exagerated but even so it is fairly obvious that Fletcher deserted his post and ignored the role he was supposed to play. Turner had asked for 5 days cover so that he could unload the transports. Fletcher initially gave him three then - I am sorry to say - panicked and left after 2. This put the Guadalcanal operation in very dire straights. It was only due to the spirit and courage of the marines that they were able hold on and eventually win. Lundstrom's mention of the air attacks is disingenuous - what were the aircraft carriers there for? To provide air cover against air attacks. I never thought that Fletcher was responsible or could have affected Savo (that was due to the incompetence of other American officers) but his performance was not of the standard needed. Neither was Halsey's. The only US admirals who emerge with real credit are Nimitz and Spruance certainly not Fletcher. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: KuK Radetzky Hi SMML, I saw the post about the KuK Radetzky, and I was wondering if anyone knows if WSW is also going to put out a Radetzky (as I had heard). Is there any connection between NNT and WSW? What else is NNT planning on putting out? As for "KuK," from memory alone I think it is short for "Kaiserliche und Koenigliche" (I don't know how to do an "o umlaut" on this computer), which I believe translates as adjectival forms of "Emperor and King" because the monarch of Austria-Hungary was considered both. Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: RC battlewagons I was intrigued by some comments on RC conversions of Tamiya ships using servos as motors...I was wondering if anybody knows of a basic book on RC Ship building...As in RC Ships for Dummies. (I know that much!) Either that or perhaps a website. I'd like to build (someday sigh) an RC USS South Carolina with the cage mast. I've got plans but no knowledge about installation, selection of motors, running gear...you name it I need to learn about it. Any help would be much appreciated. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Peter & Donna Mispelkamp" Subject: "KuK" The Austro Hungarian Empire was also known as the Dual Monarchy - being an administrative fusion of its two founding states. The first "K" stood for "Kaiser" - meaning the Kaiser of Austria and "König" representing the Emperor's additional role of "King of Hungary. Hence the "KuK" designation. Happy Modeling Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Evarts Class DE I don't know if anyone makes this, but it is a rather simple conversion from the Skywave Cannon or Buckley class. All you have to do is remove about 1/4" from the hull 'midhips, cut and reposition the aft superstructure, build a flying bridge between them and apply the appropriate armament. I used the Pictoral Histories "Destroyer Escorts", "Destroyer Escorts In Action" and Friedman's "US Destroyers" as references. This is a good "First Conversion" project for anyone willing to take the plunge. Marc Flake Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Resin vs. Plastic I find resin ships easier to work with than some injection-molded ships. In many cases, the hull and superstructure are already molded together and you've saved about six steps, including sanding the seams off the hull, getting the deck to fit right and ensuring there are no gaps between the superstructure and deck). When you sand, use a wet piece of sandpaper and wear a face mask if you're concerned about getting resin particles in your lungs. However, I haven't had to do a lot of sanding on many of the resin kits I've made -- except Viking's "Texas" and Lone Star's "CSS Texas" will require a lot of sanding at some point in the future. The only draw back is the cost. But you have to think this way -- you will probably never see many USN ships in injection plastic. If you want models of them, you'll have to buy resin. I use a credit card with a low interest rate and, years from now, I'll still be paying for ships that will no longer be available. But, I feel that if I don't buy them now, I'll never have another chance. I missed out on getting a "Ranger" and don't intend missing out on another one like it. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gus Wrote: >> Anyone seen the new Skywave DDG USS PORTER? I understand it is model of the Flight IIA, DDG w/hangar for the helicopters. Oh yes, I checked w/Bath Iron Works & established that the correct designation for "THEIR" DDG is Flight IIA. << This is good news, as I was going to have to kitbash, and I really don't have that much time right now. >> Looking for the CIMARRON and the KIDD models? Anyone got any & how much? << When I *had* more time, I 'bashed a Kidd from a Spruance, using a few junk box leftovers. Steve Allen, who is gasping in relief that SSM lives! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: 80s USN UNIFORMS I have been interested in the recent references to the double breasted "officer" style uniforms worn by USN ratings in the 80s (in RN parlance it is known as fore and aft rig as opposed to the sailor suit which is known as square rig). Naval uniform is one of my interests and in fact I have put together a fairly extensive collection of naval, coastguard and shipping company uniform buttons from around the world. Someone referred to the silver buttons worn on the sailor's jackets in the 80s. My question is, what design was on the buttons and what badge/device was worn on the visored hat? Can anyone point me toward any references on USN uniforms of the 80s? Incidentally, I saw Loren Perry's "Vogelgesang" at the Model Engineer Exhibition in London many years ago where it won well deserved awards. It really would be a shame if that superb model does not see the light of day again. Just goes to show that longevity of materials used is something we should consider. I personally have grave doubts about the life of some of the adhesives in use today. Lloyd McCaffery goes into the subject of life of materials in some detail in his book "Ships in Miniature". I also saw John Prothero-Thomas' model (referred to by Caroline Carter) at the London Model Engineer Exhibition last December. It really was beautiful, as were most of the other models in the miniature class. Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Gus I have some news concerning the Porter DDG-78 for you I haven't seen the kit but I do have the 2000 catalogue for Skywave and it shows that M-15 the Porter kit appears in a color photo of the real ship as a flight 2 version no hangars at all. I believe the hangars started with the next ship DDG-79 the Oscar Austin. I have seen the Rockies Mts,from the air on a trip once they are majestic. I wish I had the money to travel across the USA to see all it's wonders. Damn !!!! You are building all those. Welcome to the sheet hope you find all your answers. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Scharnhorst camouflage I don't know the warship fotofax on "German Battleships 1897-1945" by R.A. Burt, but I know some photos of SCHARNHORST in a camouflage scheme that resembles US measure 12 mod. a little. So can anyone tell me if Photo 77 of the warship fotofax has been published in any other book. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Graf Spee class - Derek Wakefield's comments Hi "Tiger" Sorry I'm not a natural English speaker. So what do you mean with IIRC or TBK? I guess IMO means "in my opion", but I don't know the other abbrevations you used in your posting. Cheers Falk Pletscher Hi Falk, IIRC = if I recall correctly TBK, in the context that Derek used it, could be "truth be known". Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Mike Dunn" Subject: Re: The WEM torture method Derek, >> As much as I love battlewagons, cruisers facinate me. Last night over coffee, a buddy read off the list of WEM's coming soon list. All those RN cruisers. What are you trying to do to me, Caroline? TORTURE ME? << Nah - if you want torture, try standing in the middle of WEMs stall at the shows they attend, surrounded by all the lovely RN models, and kits, and accessories......WHAT TO BUY ????? >> Aheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! All that lovely resin, so little time, worse, so little money! See wallet. See wallet collapse into nothing like a black hole. << Tell me about it !!!!! My purchases alone paid for the entire WEM staff's lodgings at the FAA Show !!! But, oh what lovely models.......HMS Brilliant is so good that I'm gonna have to get her sisters......and all the other modern (ie since 1965) RN vessels too......quick, someone sedate me before I go bankrupt !!!!! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: KuK RADETSKY Firstly KuK stood for Kaiserlich und Königlich meaning Imperial and Royal. This double meaning arose because Austria-Hungary had a dual constitution with Austria being part of the Austrian Empire and Hungary a separate kingdom of which the Austrian Emperor was king. Secondly colors. Prior to WW 1 A-H ships were painted an olive drab color but, certainly after Italy entered the war in 1915, a light gray color scheme was adopted. The nearest HUMBROL color would be No. 147 a matt (very) light gray, or mix four parts No.34 (matt white)with one part No. 64 (matt gray). RADETSKY had planked main deck except for the first 10 metres at the bow which was steel, probably a dark gray. Suggested reading (if still available) are (a) Sokol, "The Imperial and Royal Austro-Hungarian Navy" pub in English by USNI in 1968. Might be available 2nd-hand, and (b) Kemp, "Austro-Hungarian Battleships", ISO Publications 1991, again 2nd-hand would be best bet. The latter has plans of all A-H BBs and some excellent photographs. The former is mainly historical but is well illustrated. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Jean-Paul Binot" Subject: K.u.K Radetzky K. u. K. means "kaiserlich und königlich", imperial and royal, referring to the constitutional arrangement of 1867 that organised the Habsburg lands into a dual monarchy in which the common ruler was emperor in Austria and king in Hungary. The "k. u. k." designation became official in 1889. Until 1918 most official things in Austria-Hungary were "k. u. k", including the fleet (K. u. K. Flotte), although the ships themselves were designated as SMS (Seines Majestäts Schiff), as in Germany. So the correct designation for the battleship Radetzky would be SMS Radetzky, (referring to den Radetsky, not die Radetsky, as would be normally the case). As for the colour scheme, the Austro-Hungarian navy changed ) at the turn of the century its traditional "Victorian" colours (black hulls and white superstructures) to a uniform olive green (Montecucciolli green, I think, after the name of the CiC of the fleet. During the world war, most ships were painted light grey. Wooden decks remained unpainted, as far as I can say. Apparently, ship sent to the Far East were painted off-white. A very nice reference for the ships of the Austro-Hungarian navy is "K. u. K. Flotte 1900-1918, Die letzten Kriegschiffe Österreichs-Ungarns in alten Photographien", by Wladimir Aichelburg. It is an extensive collection of old photograps showing most of the ships in the navy, with many view taken on-board. Jean-Paul Binot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Joe Damato" Subject: Steve's book collection I can vouch for Steve's (Jurassic Warships) collection. He recently offered me his entire collection of Poultry Weekly and Barn yard Romeo. This guy collects everything! What a guy! Joe Damato JAG Collective -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Alan Roost Subject: Roedean School and HMS Collingwood Hi Shane and Mistress Lorna. Roedean School is still very much in business although now it is a quality private boarding school for both boys and girls aged 11 to 18. I have emailed them asking if they could answer the question and if possible to give us the history behind the story (If True). They do have their own site at http://www.roedean.co.uk/ there is an image of the the school as it is appears now. I know it well, I live in Surrey and as the school is just outside Brighton and after years of seaside trips I am very familiar with the school and it's aspects. If it is of interest I will pass on any information if and when I receive it. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: SCHARNHORST How much of SHARNHORST is shown in this mottled camouflage? She wore a hastily-applied mottled camouflage on her superstructure during the Channel Dash only, but I've never seen one on her hull. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamoufalge.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Foeth" Subject: Graf Spee class >> The Scharnhorsts were most certainly not cruisers. They were designed from the keel up as battleships, their size limited probably due to material restrictions. The 11" guns were used because they were available, not because of any deliberate design decision. Their protection is also heavy, a 12.59" belt compared to a 9" belt for Alaska. This could have been a better number but German armor distribution was notoriously inefficient. These ships were intended to provide a credible threat to other capital ships (Dunkirque was the main target, if I recall correctly) and don't fit the cruiser structure or role IMHO. << The 11" guns wee a political restriction, enforced by Hitler himself, not wanting to provoke the British, rendering the battlecruiser/ships to a very unusual ship. Dunkerque was the French response to the Lutzow class. The Dunkerques were armed with 330mm guns, the Scharnhorsts with 283 (11"), so the Germans are a poor match for those ships, on an armament basis. Also, keep in mind that german ships were restricted by the Versaille treaty of 1919 to 10,000 tons. The armament was *not* restricted. Other navies were restricted by the Washington treaty of 1922. Amongst those restrictions, cruisers were maxed at 10,000 tons and 8" armament. The Lutzow cruisers had the nasty ability to outrun or outgun the entire Royal Navy, with the exeption of Hood, Repulse and Renown, but the germans realised that those ships couldn't be everywhere at the same time, an assumption well made. Except for the battle of the RIver plate, where the Graf Spee semi-succesfully fought off two normal and 1 heavy cruiser, the Lutzows were not forced to battle (Nor were the other heavy units of the DKM, discounitng the suprise attack on the Scharnhorst) The 8" restriction on cruisers has an interesting story, by the way. The Japanese did not want a restriction to 6 or 7", as the shells for those guns could not be hand-loaded by japanese crew, forcing to mechanised loading, resulting in a lower rate of fire adn heavier and more complicated turret design. They therefore proposed 8" so that all navies had to abandon handloading. FOeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Foeth" Subject: Badger Nozzle Tip, addendum I forgot to add the numbers of the new Badger nozzletip (and it is called "Crown Regulator") AA. Crown Regulator For model 100, 150 and 200, helps to reduce build-up heavy viscosity coatings on spray regulator surface edge. FINE (#51-033). MEDIUM (#51-034). HEAVY (#51-035) And it really works Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Black Swan Class Hi Gang, Chris Langtree asked: >> Does anyone do a model of a Black Swan class sloop? (Particularly 1/700?) <<. At the risk of shooting myself in the foot, or worse, Caroline shooting me in the foot.... I believe there are plans for a WEM 1:700 model of HMS Amythest a modified B.S. Class sloop. I too look forward to this one with some egerness. The class sported a good range of camo designs ---- just drooling over the thought of a dio depicting Johnny Walker's 2nd Escort Group stalking a submerged Uboat........ No one's had any luck with a 1:700 Ohio I suppose? Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo......(Te Reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Eglon456@aol.com Subject: Re: dullcote haze I've experianced this drama a few times in my long experiance of model making. Before you do anything drastic may I suggest that you first overspray your entire subject with glosscote, you should slowly see the haze start to fade as the glosscote dries. Wait about a day and apply another cote if needed.This has worked for me several times, You could then reapply the dullcote after the previous applications cure in a few days using another can of the stuff after testing it on something else. I hope you find this of good use. Rudolph Zacconi, Merrick, NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: SeaBat Replicas/1:2400 Scale Decals Folks: Does anyone know if SeaBat Replicas -- the manufacturer of super-fine decals for 1:2400 scale ship models -- is still in business? I tried contacting them by e-mail () a few weeks ago to place an order (I bought some of their decals about 2 years ago), but still have not received an answer. Any information or updated contact data would be appreciated. Thanks! Yours truly, Mike Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: HMS Devastation Article Search Does anybody have or have access to 'Model Shipwright 39'. I'd like to get a copy of the article concerning the British Battleship HMS Devastation that is in it. I really appreciate any help that anybody could lend in the matter. Thanks. Chris Crofoot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Jowfx@cs.com Subject: JAG Newport Has anyone heard when the JAG Newport is due out? Also I'm assuming it is the LST (the JAG page on the Warship site lists it as an LSD, but I don't recall an LSD named Newport). John Fox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "John Reid" Subject: Chinese Junks For the SMML-er (-ist? -ite?) who asked about junks several issues ago: I just looked into a site that has everything you ever wanted to know about junks, and more, including sources for plans. Hope this is of some help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "William Aldorfer" Subject: CABOT/DEDALO (CVL 28) Preservation Efforts There is a new/different organization attempting to save CABOT/DEDALO - the Iron Woman Foundation, working with the CABOT Association. Their website is at http://www.geocities.com/usscabot/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: USS JP Jones DD-932 Hi Guys I am working on an USS JP Jones DD-932 circa 1958 and to make it look interesting I would like to put 1/350 red engineering E award on the smokestack, but since there's 2 smoke stacks which one would be the right one to put it on? Would putting a white E award on a gun mount be accurate for the time era. Any help would be appreciated Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Michael Kear" Subject: Dullcote Yellowing Loren Perry said: >> The model of the Vogelgesang is currently crated up in storage. Reason - I oversprayed the entire model with Testors Dullcote when I built it and as the years passed, it yellowed severely, giving the Haze Gray a distinct greenish hue. I need to find out if I can remove it because I'd hate to have to repaint the entire model due to heavy use of special decals, dry transfer markings, and such that I employed during it's construction. << Well this revelation sent me into something of a spin, because this is exactly what I was going to do with my HMS Ambuscade. (overspray it all with dullcote, I mean). At the current rate of building, I only have 7 years to find an alternative, so I'm asking now. I'm painting with standard enamel housepaint (a 1/72 frigate uses 5 or 6 little pots of humbrol or testors model paints - more economic to use house paint) and humbrol model paints where small amounts are needed (e.g. little red and yellow and white fittings). So what should I use if I dont want yellowing to be a problem? Cheers, Mike Kear Task Force 72 - Australia's 1/72 Warship Modellers http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: Paint Remover Folks: After trying Pine Sol, Easy Off, and the Polly Scale's paint remover, I've stumbled on an even better paint remover than the rest: Isopropyl Alchohol! It not only took off a layer of Polly Scale paint real easy (no great feat here) but it also removed the Floquil Primer below quickly, and with not a lot of effort -- which I did not expect! (Removing Floquil Primer usually gave me a lot of problems.) This will be my standard until I find something better... which given the availability of the stuff, its relatively low price, and ease with which it stripped paint, I don't expect will happen soon. Try it and let us know what you think! Best wishes, Mike Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Mitsuaki Kubota Subject: Ohsumi CVL? Hi Keith, Surely, some foreign observers regard Ohsumi as CVL. For PRC, it would serve as good propaganda that Japan possesses carrier. McDonnell Douglas and BAe expect JMSDF purchasing Harrier/Sea Harrier (probably). And historically, IJN had been building some sub tenders, sea plane tenders and oilers which can be convertible to light carriers. I think the CV-like appearance of Ohsumi is the echo of Italian San Giorgio classes. The upper deck of Ohsumi is not enough strengthened to operate VSTOL aircraft. Maybe the upper deck will not tolerate VSTOL jet blast. The island is too wide and the port deck area is narrow. The aft deck is for helicopter landing. But Ohsumi has no hangar for them and can't maintain them. The fore deck area is for vehicle, but the capability of elevator is less than 20 tons. So Type 90 tanks of 50 tons can't be carried on the upper fore deck. Anyhow, it is inadequate comment or statement of JMSDF that misleading foreign press. By the way, the instruction sheet of Tamiya kit shows the modelers should use paints and canned sprays produced by Tamiya. But the TS-32 is too bluish for JMSDF ships, though it is natural that Tamiya recommend their products. Best wishes, Mitsuaki Kubota -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Tamiya 1:700 Fletcher Jeeze, I know this has been discussed to death here in the past (or I assume it has), but while rummaging around the local crafts/hobby store yesterday afternoon I found a Tamiya 1:700 Fletcher kit sitting by it's lonesome, far away from the rest of the ship kits, on the close out asile (but not marked down). I can almost swear, this kit has been lingering on the shelves there since the store opened. That said, I couldn't help but feel sorta sorry for the little fella. It's was almost like "buy me before that brat down the isle does and turns me into a bb gun/black cat target". Jeeze, when it comes to things like this I'm just too much of a sappy sentimentalist. Yep...Mr "I don't build tin cans" bought a tin can. Ironically, with the exception of a Tamiya Ayanami I built back in the 80s (and ended up giving to a friend who was a IJN freakazoid), this is the first one DD I've bought for myself since a Hawk Fletcher I built back in Jr High. Now that I've torn open the shrink wrap (a commitment to build in my book) my head is filling with questions. I vaugely seem to remember reading here awhile back this kit is representative of the early Fletchers (rounded bridges ???). Being stupid in the way of small boys, what ships could be built with this kit? Is there anything I should be aware of as far as needed fixes go before I start working on it? The kit looks pretty straight forward, but I suspect there's a lot of hidden "muahahahaha, I'm gonna get you sucka" inaccuracies I'd better be aware of. Any suggestions for this tin can dummy would be appreciated. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Kenneth Perry Subject: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The USS Porter is not under the new flight IIA configuration with the hangar. The new USS Winston Churchill (DDG-81) has the new configuration and is still under construction. I believe it's the first of the class to incorperate the hangar. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "Martin Short" Subject: KGV saga, part XXIV Jens, Further to your post in vol 837, having had a good look at the KGV/POW kits this weekend, the POW is the only way to go. To try and back convert the KGV kit is not worth the effort when the POW kit is closer to the configuration you want in the first place. To convert the POW kit you will need to modify one of the octuple pom-pom's into a quad unit for the rear turret top, find 36-38 single 20mm mounts (I can only positively identify 34 of the locations) modify the kit where these are to be installed, which isn't difficult, and install the correct radar outfit, which Chris mentioned early IIRC. I also believe that you will need to install the external degausiing coil because I don't think this was refitted internally until the 44 refit; but hopefully another list member can confirm this. (Which was probably why Tamiya chose the late war configuration, 1 hull 2 kits). I've seen both kits built by one of our club members' in their as kitted configurations, but with lots of extra detail, both look spectacular and are a good contrast. POW has simple lines but that amazing camo scheme, whereas KGV has all the late war AA clutter. Best of luck, and over to you.... On another note as I cannot remember which volume, I recall a question regarding the blotchy camouflage pattern seen on Scharnhorst in 42?. Gneisenau sported a very interesting splotchy look prior to 'cerebus', no doubt a legacy of trying to be inconspicuous whilst in Brest! If any one has better pictures of this scheme (other than the two in the schiffer soft cover), or can comment on the colours, I'd be very interested... Lastly, just a brief note on Gus' accolades directed towards myself in yesterday's post. Thank you for the appreciation, but wholly undeserved!!. My input is paltry when compared to the extensive contributions from the John's, Jon, Rusty et al, and Shane for keeping the wheels turning, these guy's are the one's who deserve the thanks. cheers, Martin Still the home of the America's cup, and where we actually beat the Aussies at cricket (for once!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "John Rule" Subject: Revelation I know that this posting has little or nothing to do with ships but I thought it important enough to pass on. Actually it is possible that this theory may have major implications for "stealth" technology and make camouflage completely obsolete. Darksucker technology is merely in its infancy.................. John >>DARK CONSPIRACY INVOLVING ELECTRICAL POWER COMPANIES SURFACES For years the electrical utility companies have led the public to believe they were in business to supply electricity to the consumer, a service for which they charge a substantial rate. The recent accidental acquisition of secret records from Ontario Hydro has led to a massive research campaign which positively explodes several myths and exposes the massive hoax which has been perpetrated upon the public by the power companies. The most common hoax promoted the false concept that light bulbs emitted light; in actuality, these 'light' bulbs actually absorb DARK which is then transported back to the power generation stations via wire networks. A more descriptive name has now been coined; the new scientific name for the device is DARKSUCKER. This newsletter introduces a brief synopsis of the darksucker theory, which proves the existence of dark and establishes the fact that dark has great mass, and further, that dark particle (the anti-photon) is the fastest known particle in the universe. Apparently, even the celebrated Dr. Albert Einstein did not suspect the truth.. that just as COLD is the absence of HEAT, LIGHT is actually the ABSENCE of DARK... scientists have now proven that light does not really exist! The basis of the darksucker theory is that electric light bulbs suck dark. Take for example, the darksuckers in the room where you are right now. There is much less dark right next to the darksuckers than there is elsewhere, demonstrating their limited range. The larger the darksucker, the greater its capacity to suck dark. Darksuckers in a parking lot or on a football field have a much greater capacity than the ones in used in the home, for example. It may come as a surprise to learn that darksuckers also operate on a celestial scale; witness the Sun. Our Sun makes use of dense dark, sucking it in from all the planets and intervening dark space. Naturally, the Sun is better able to suck dark from the planets which are situated closer to it, thus explaining why those planets appear brighter than do those which are far distant from the Sun. Occassionally, the Sun actually oversucks; under those conditions, dark spots appear on the surface of the Sun. Scientists have long studied these 'sunspots' and are only recently beginning to realize that the dark spots represent leaks of high pressure dark because the Sun has oversucked dark to such an extent that some dark actually leaks back into space. This leakage of high pressure dark frequently causes problems with radio communications here on Earth due to collisions between the dark particles as they stream out into space at high velocity via the black 'holes' in the surface of the Sun. As with all manmade devices, darksuckers have a finite lifetime caused by the fact that they are not 100% efficient at transmitting collected dark back to the power company via the wires from your home, causing dark to build up slowly within the device. Once they are full of accumulated dark, they can no longer suck. This condition can be observed by looking for the black spot on a full darksucker when it has reached maximum capacity of untransmitted dark... you have surely noticed that dark completely surrounds a full darksucker because it no longer has the capacity to suck any dark at all. A candle is a primitive darksucker. A new candle has a white wick. You will notice that after the first use the wick turns black, representing all the dark which has been sucked into it. If you hold a pencil next to the wick of an operating candle, the tip will turn black because it got in the way of the dark flowing into the candle. It is of no use to plug a candle into an electrical outlet; it can only collect dark.. it has no transmission capabilities. Unfortunately, these primitive darksuckers have a very limited range and are hazardous to operate because of the intense heat produced. There are also portable darksuckers called flashlights. The bulbs in these devices collect dark which is passed to a dark storage unit called a battery. When the dark storage unit is full, it must be either emptied (a process called 'recharging') or replaced before the portable darksucker can continue to operate. 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