Subject: SMML VOL 851 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:04:39 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Booing 2: IJN Equipment Set V (E-10) 3: IJN Equipment Set I (E-2) 4: Equipment Set IV (E-7) small correction 5: Re: C.S.S. Alabama 6: Re: Rhino Bones 7: Re: Kongo color 8: Re: Enterprise flight deck 9: Use the scroll icon 10: 1/700 LPH 11: Re: Big Gray Ships 12: Making your own tools 13: Re: Ship's Names 14: Re: Astute class names 15: IJN Equipment 16: Re: Kongo grey 17: Re: Best ship name 18: Re: USS Franklin 19: Re: Epoxy 20: Re Naming carriers 21: Kriegsmarine Colors 22: USS Mohawk 23: SMML in San Francisco 24: USS Houston (CL-81), ShipCamouflage, & Lindberg Minesweeper 25: Yamato Decks 26: Cleveland Cl Cruisers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: The Flowers are now blooming!!! 2: For sale or trade: two Revell 1/350 USS Missouris 3: Model Shipways USS Constitution -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: Re: Booing You read it wrong...it was USMA cadets that booed. The poop-deck is what remains of the original Cadet mess. It is from there that announcements and messages are passed to the Corp...it's info-'poop' not aft-'poop'. Reagan gave one of his final public addresses from that spot. The booing sounds appalling, I know, but then with an honor code perhaps they had a better understanding of Clinton than the general public did. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ismail Hassenpflug Subject: IJN Equipment Set V (E-10) Here is the front page of Set V. The reverse of the instructions is blank, thus there is no extra information on the equipment included in the set. However, this set is fairly simple, so there should be few problems. Perhaps the two types of twin 12.7cm turets, and two models of directors will casue trouble. I am afraid that I cannot help except with further reading in my references. If someone needs the info in a hurry, I will be happy to look, else I will research the issue when I need it myself (sorry!). Here goes: (my comments in CAPITALS) Row 1: 1. 50cal year 3design 12.7cm gun B type, modification 2 (TWIN) 2. 50cal year 3 design 12.7cm gun C/D type (TWIN) 3. 40cal 89 design 12.7 twin high angle gun B1 type Row 2: 4. 25mm twin machine gun 5. 25mm triple machine gune 6. Paravane (support attached) - pt.18 for port use, pt.17 for starboard use, bow direction indicated by arrow Row 3: 7. 90 design 61cm triple torpedo tubes 8. 92 design 61cm quadruple torpedo tubes 9. Radial type boat davits and 7m cutter 10. Luffing type boat davits and 7.5m motorboat Row 4: 11. 25mm single machine gun 12. flag staff 13. direction loop antenna 14. all-purpose davit 15. depth charge rack (My comment: ready-use, for DC throwers) 16. depth charge thrower 17. depth charge rails Row 5: 18. 90cm searchlight 19. 3m rangefinder 20. 2m rangefinder 21. Paravane 22. Anchor Row 6: 23. 94 design director (My comment: two types included) 24. 3m rangefinder for use with above director 25. Number 22 radar 26. Hose reels (large and small types) 27. Number 13 radar Okay, that was pretty quick.... next, the set I forgot. Regards, Ismail Hassenpflug, MSc.Eng PhD 1st year: Ionospheric Physics Kyoto University, Radio Atmospheric Science Center -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ismail Hassenpflug Subject: IJN Equipment Set I (E-2) Hello again, Well, I realized that I had skipped the first set in the series of five, so here goes with Set I (E-2), which contains a variety of destroyer turrets and torpedo tubes, and sole AA wepaons and catapults for cruisers and battleships. This is abig set, with three identical sprues. The instructions are one-sided only, but at least a simple explanation of which ships mounted which guns is given. Here goes: IJN Equipment Set I (E-2) Row 1: 1. 65cal 98 design 10cm twin high angle gun A type - used on Akizuki class destroyers 2. 50cal year 3 design 12.7cm single gun A type - used on destroyers of the Hatsuharu, Shiratsuyu classes in No. 2 position 3. 50cal year 3 design 12.7cm twin gun B type - used on destroyers of the Hatsuharu, Special Type type II classes, etc 4. 45cal year 3 design 12cm gun (early period type) - used on destroyers of the Kawakaze, Minekaze classes, etc. Row 2: 5. 45cal year 3 design 12cm gun (late period type) G type - use on destroyers of the Minekaze, Kamikaze, Mutsuki classes, and Chidori class torpedo boats, etc. 6. 45cal year 11 design 12cm gun M type - use on torpedo boats of Otori class 7. 45cal year 10 design 12cm high angle gun E type, modification 2 - use on escorts of Mikura and Ukuru classes, etc. 8. 12.7cm twin high angle gun - representative high angle gun, fitted to all types of warships Row 3: 9. 12.7cm twin high angle gun (for use on aircraft carriers) - shielded type fitted aft of the funnel on all aircraft carriers 10. 45cal year 10 design 12cm twin high angle gun - fit to escorts of Mikura and Ukuru classes, etc. 11. 25mm twin machine gun - representative weapon 12. 25mm triple machine gun - representative weapon Row 4: 13. 25mm triple machine gun (shielded) - used on Yamato class battleships, aircraft carriers, etc. - pedestal is when attaching to Yamato's hull side or deck. 14. catapult - Kure design number 2 type, for heavy cruisers, etc. Box with boats and davits at left, column of three boats, from top to bottom: 15. - 12m motor boat, for ships larger than heavy cruisers 16. - 9m cutter, for use on large warships 17. - 7.5m motor boat, for use on destroyers at right, column of two types of davits, and a boat, from top to bottom: 18. - Luffing type davits 19. - Radial type davits, for use with 7m cutter 20. - 7m cutter, for use on destroyers Row 5: LEFT: box with two columns of torpedo tubes. First column, top to bottom: 21. 92 design 61cm quadruple torpedo tubes - use with Akizuki, Shiranui, Yugumo, Asashio, Shiratsuyu, Kagero class destroyers, Tei and improved (kai) Tei classes, etc. (My comment: Tei clas also known as Matsu class after first ship, and improved version (kai-Tei) class as Tachibana class) 22. 94 design 53cm triple torpedo tubes - for use on Otori class torpedo boats 23. 67 design twin 53cm torpedo tubes - use on destroyers of Minekaze class, and torpedo boats od Chidori class, etc. Second column, top to bottom: 24. 90 design 61cm triple torpedo torpedos - use with Hatsuharu class destroyers etc. 25. year 12 design 61cm triple torpedo tubes - use with Mutsuki class destroyers and for the Special type early type 26. year 12 design 61cm triple torpedo tubes - as above, but use for later type RIGHT: two boxes, top one with assorted machine guns, lower one with miscellaneous items. First, Top box, upper rows: 27. 13mm twin machine gun 28. 25mm single machine gun 29. 7.7mm single machine gun lower row: 30. 13mm quadruple machine gun, use with certain battleships 31. 13mm single machine gun 32. 40mm single machine gun - use with Hatsuharu class, etc. 33. 45cal year 10 design 12cm singe gun - use with aircraft carriers Taiyo and Unyo, and with escorts Second, lower box, upper row: 34. Number 13 radar 35. Number 22 radar 36. Paravane 37. Vent (A) 38. Vent (B) middle row: 39. 1.5m rangefinder 40. 3m rangefinder 41. 4.5m rangefinder 42. Paravane (My comment: support also attached) 43. Anchor (A) 44. Anchor (B) lower row: 45. lookout position 46. 94 design high angledirector position (pair with 12.7cm high angle gun) 47. 6m rangefinder (for use with ships larger than heavy cruisers) 48. 90cm searchlight (for destroyer use) 49. 110cm searchlight (for cruisers etc.) 50. Crysanthemum crest (for large warships) And that brings to an end this installement of translations. Please note the error with the name 'Chiyoda' in one of the previous posts: it should read 'Chidori', since the item in question is for use with escorts and torpedo boats, not with carriers. Sorry about that, hope it didn't cause too much confusion. Best regards, Ismail Hassenpflug, MSc.Eng PhD 1st year: Ionospheric Physics Kyoto University, Radio Atmospheric Science Center -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ismail Hassenpflug Subject: Equipment Set IV (E-7) small correction Corrections: 'Chiyoda' should of course read 'Chidori' in all references here. My apologies.... here is the list again.... Contents, front page of instructions: Row : 1. 45cal year 10 design 12cm single high angle gun (E type, modification No.2) 2. 45cal year 10 design 12cm single high angle gun (early period shield) - use on early period Hei (C) and Tei (D) class escorts 3. 45cal year 10 design 12cm single high angle gun (late period shield) - use on late period Hei (C) adn Tei (D) class escorts Row 2: 4. 54cal year 3 design 12cm single gun (late period type) G type 5. 45cal year 10 design 12cm twin high angle gun 6. 25mm triple machine gun Row 3: 7. 25mm twin machine gun 8. 8cm mortar - use pedestal (pt.30) as appropriate if necessary 9. Luffing type boat davits Row 4: 10. 25mm single machine guns 11. 45cal year 10 design 12cm high angle gun 12. depth charge thrower 13. depth charge racks 14. depth charge rails 15.direction finding loop antenna 16. flag staff 17. Number 13 radar aerial Row 5: 18. paravanes (supports included) - for port use at left, for starboard use at right, bow direction shown with arrow to left 19. paravane 20. 75cm searchlight 21. 3m rangefinder 22. 2m rangefinder 23. hose reels 24. Number 22 radar aerial Row 6: 25. crysanthemum crest 26. anchor 27. 6m barge (lighter) 28. 6m cutter 29. 6m motor boat Rear of instructions: Entry 1: 45cal year 10 design 12cm single high angle gun E type, modification 2 A shield added to 45cal year 10 design 12cm single high angle gun Pt.28 (item 11 in list above), fitted to Mikura and Ukuru class escorts Entry 2: 45cal year 10 design 12cm single high angle gun (early period shield) Fitted to Hei and Tei class escorts of the early period type (completed in second half of Showa 19, 1944). The gun itself is the same as above. Entry 3: 45cal year 10 design 12cm single high angle gun (late period shield) Fitted to Hei and Tei class escorts of the late period (completed in showa 20, 1945). The gun itself is the same as above. Entry 4: 45cal year 3 design 12cm single high angle gun (late period type) G type Mounted on destroyers of hte Minetsuki (late period ships), kamikaze, Mutsuki, Wakatake classes, torpedo boats of the Chidori class, escorts of the Shimushu, Etorofu classes, and minesweepers of all classes. Entry 5: 25mm single, twin, triple machine guns The 96 design machine gun, the most widely used anti aircraft weapon used on all classes of warships, a french Hotchkiss design mass-produced by the Yokosuka Military Works. Entry 6: 8cm mortar Mounted on all ships throughout on all classes of escorts such as the Shimushu, Etorofu, Mikura, Ukuru, Hei and Tei classes of the late period etc, probably for use during anti-submarine operations as a forward-firing weapon, but as results were insignificant, orders for its removal are also known to have been given during the final period of the war, around May 1945. Entry 7: depth charge thrower The representative 94 design depth charge thrower. Known as the Y type or twin thrower, pressured gas was used to lob to both port and starboard. As one-side only devices such as on the Mutsuki class, cut in half and use. Entry 8: depth charge racks Rack for depth charges meant for depth charge thrower, a maximum of 6 depth charges could be prepared in advance, simplifying relaoding and launching. Entry 9: depth charge rails Usually mounted on both sides at the stern, depth charges were manually released. The frame and 6 loaded depth charges are represented. Used from the First World War onwards. Entry 10: direction loop antenna (for direction finding use) Direction finding loop antenna for use on all classes of ships. Entry 11: flag staff Mounted on all classes of ships at bow and stern, there were also collapseable types, in which case you should glue it flat on the deck. Entry 12: Paravane (anti-mine tool) Equipment to cut the wires of laid moored mines, it was towed behind the ship to bring mines to the surface where they would be disposed of my machine gun fire. Paravanes were divided by size in to large, medium and small types, please use this kit's parts as the small type. Entry 13: 75cm searchlight Used by small ships such as destroyers, torpedo boats, escorts, submarine chasers, etc., but on a model the use is not necessarily limited to 75cm, so please feel free to use them! Entry 14: 3m, 2m rangefinders Optical devices for sighting the main guns of smaller classes of ships, for the most part placed on the open bridge structure. Entry 15: Hose reels Mounted all over the decks and at the sides of the superstructure for storing coils of all types of rope. In japanese they are called 'rakusha' (Actually, since everyone writes 'hose reel' in katakana, many japanese would not know the original expression, hence the explanation). Disposition varies so please use after researching carefully. Entry 16: Number 22 radar (denpa tanshingi) A radar that was placed on all types of ships mostly on the top of the bridge. Entry 17: Number 13 radar (denpa tanshingi) A radar that was placed on all types of ships mostly on the aft mast. Entry 18: crysanthemum crest Medium and small type of crest for use on light cruisers, escorts (up to Showa 17, 1942), gun boats (up to Showa 19, 1944) etc. Entry 19: 6m barge (lighter) Rowboat type, used when cleaning the outer hull etc, as it was useful for short turns (trips). On land, when used on rivers, known as a lighter. (Well, at least in japanese!) Entry 20: 6m cutter Rowboat used for rescue and transport of military personnel by small warships. Entry 21: 6m motor boat Motorboat used by destroyers and small warships. Ismail Hassenpflug, MSc.Eng PhD 1st year: Ionospheric Physics Kyoto University, Radio Atmospheric Science Center -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: DWa7000007@aol.com Subject: Re: C.S.S. Alabama Howdy: It's good to hear that Revell is Re-releasing their Confederate Curser. Although I already have the kit, a second can defiantly be converted into the U. S. S. Kearsarge! One major difference is I think the Alabama's mast's were a bit taller than the Kearsarge. And it would interesting to see how one would model the "chain-mail" that was hung over the sides that gave the Kearsarge the advantage over the Alabama in that epic battle of Cherbourg. I'll start my Alabama someday, but first I got to get Revell's U. S. S. Constitution finessed and out of the way first! Danny Walden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Rhino Bones >> Steve Wiper Wrote: So if your name is Rhino Bones, you must have had almost as hard a time in high school as I did with my name. << Now you know why Colin Powell is so tough. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Kongo color A good shade for he dark gray the IJN used is MM Gunship Gray. You may want to lighten it with MM Camouflage Gray for scale effect. Never heard of the Kongo wearing green, but I'm not an expert. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Enterprise flight deck I'm pretty sure I'm correct here so, if I'm wrong, someone please correct me. I think if you can find drawings to any super carrier, you will find the hangar decks to be almost identical in configuration in the hull. That should make your search easier. If you still can't find any drawings, just do the best you can. If you can't get the information, then I doubt anyone will question your accuracy. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Use the scroll icon It never fails. Every time a naval related subject runs more than two days here come the whiners wanting to stop it. I have one suggestion, USE THE SCROLL ICON! If you don't like what you see, then move on down. Other model related subjects aren't cut from the list because of it's length. They're still there. I think the naming of the ships is an interesting thread. So why should it be terminated after two days? I wasn't interested in the Flower class corvettes that ran for the longest time here but I didn't gripe and whine when I felt it ran too long. I scrolled past it! What a concept! So stop whining and contribute what you want and everyone else will enjoy themselves as well. As long as we stay away from flaming, (BTW it got pretty close yesterday) the naming ships thread is interesting to me anyway. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: 1/700 LPH I'm looking for a 1/700 LPH kit, I have the old Aurora 1/600 GUADALCANAL but would prefer 1/700. I seem to remember Waveline kits of the IWO JIMA and OKINAWA. Any one have any info or sources? Matt Prager Ingleside, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Rick Lundin" Subject: Re: Big Gray Ships While you are at it try the New England Air Museum at Bradley International Airport and stop by the Connecticut information on Route 95 south. There is an armor museum further south on 95 ant they will have information. Rick Lundin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Making your own tools As a bit of respite from some of the more political threads, I would like to throw a few ideas out on tool making, and of course solicit your best secrets . Of course, it is likely that many of you know all or some of these tricks, but you might find something of use here. With the advent of companies like Micromark, it is possible (believe me, it is) to spend a large chunk of one's discretionary income on hobby tools. Yet, a surprising number of useful ship modeling tools can be made out of common hobby and hardware store items. For example, a very useful tool is a good quality pin (I use two sizes of "T" pins), with the head snipped off and inserted in a wooden dowel. This can be used for marking the location of drilled holes like a miniature center punch, and also, with a suitably sized hole drilled into the bottom of a small part, and nice stand for spray painting. A board drilled with a few holes to accept the dowel lets you let the part dry without disturbing your fresh coat of paint. X-Acto blades can be modified using a Dremel abrasive disc in a number of ways. Since I am fortunate enough to have a Sherline Lathe, I mount the blade in the knife, put a piece of brass tubing with a longitudinal slit of the body of the knife to act as a crush sleeve, and mount it into the toolpost of the lathe. It can be slowly and carefully brought up to the spinning abrasive disc, with is mounted in the jaws of the lathe. I have been able to cut down the blades to a little over .050 in this manner, to assist in miniature cutting. You can also turn a used # 11 blade into a scraper by removing the cutting surface and the last 1/4" of the tip. If you make a 90 degree angle, you will have a tool that can reach into tight places, and scrape the insides of joints very cleanly - no more radius of paint on the joints between deckhouse and deck, for example. Dental tools can be modified in a similar way to produce scribers that will remove a hair of plastic, or scrape into very tiny places. By being careful, I have produced blades as small as .008 in thickness, which can make very fine lines. On larger models, I have used cabinet scrapers cut with a Dremel to spread putty and dress inside corners. Cabinet scrapers are used by woodworkers for finishing, and are thin flat pieces of tool steel. One popular makers in the US is Sandvick, and Stanley makes them as well - they can be found a most hardware stores. For my model of a Burke class DDG, I made several cutters with a 10 degree angle to match the sloping sides of the deckhouse. These have helped tremendously with my goal of achieving crisp edges on the model. A few minutes spent gluing various grits of sandpaper to different sizes of Evergreen plastic strips will yield a nice assortment of sanders for those tight places. If you glue a small strip on top as a "T", you'll have a sander that can be grasped with a pair of tweezers and used in tight places, such as the inside of bridge wings. Along those lines, offcuts of Plexiglas can also be used for larger models. Again, for my Burke, I machined a 10 degree negative angle on the edge of some to allow sanding right up to the superstructure. By highly polishing the edge of these sanders, you will reduce the chance of scraping lines into the adjoining structures by creating a safe edge. Files can also benifit from that modification. By grinding one edge smooth you will make it easier to file crisp interior cutouts, since you reduce the chance of digging into an area that has already been finished. For a final, much lower tech tip, I have found that toothpicks are very good at spreading putty and glue. Now that is pretty common knowledge, true, but there are better toothpicks than others for the tasks. I like the good quality round toothpicks that are turned for their entire length. They seem to be made of a tighter grained wood, with is better for cutting and sanding. For putty work, I cut a flat about 1/2" long on the end, and square up the tip - makes in nice to push into interior seems. For applying superglue, I sand the tip into the finest point I can. Seal the tip with some thicker superglue, wiping quickly with a paper towel to remove the excess. It will then carry the thinner CA without it all soaking in. Paper towels are great to wick up excess superglue anytime you use it - I always keep a few small pieces ready for instant use when I use those products. Hope you found something useful here, and I look forward to your ideas! Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto (Who is actually getting some work done on his John Paul Jones lately ) Drydock shots of the USS Pampanito (SS-383) now available... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Ship's Names >> All right, all right I concede we won't name CVN-77 U.S.S.Hillary Billy Bubba. (Darn there goes my ball cap) I guess what I was trying to say was that names don't really matter in the "big picture". I think such factors as competent crews, morale, spare parts, survivability, proper training, decent pay, good leadership and enough ships so a sailor doesn't have to be deployed 9 months out of the year (exaggeration) are more important. The U.S. Navy's has many more serious problems other than its ship's naming process. I apologize if I trivialized the matter. << You still fail to see the link between morale (pride in one's unit) and the unit's name. Further, to name a military unit of any sort after a leader who ignored the need for "spare parts, survivability, proper training, decent pay, good leadership and enough ships" would be a slap in the face of the military personnel destined to fight and die in such units, especially if their deaths are directly tied to the shortages listed above. >> Did I read that USNA cadets booed the President of the U.S. Did I read that right?? << No, USMA (West Point), November 1996. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Joe Costanzo" Subject: Re: Astute class names Actually, I think HMS Ambush isn't a bad name. But HMS Artful? Please tell me this was a joke I was too tired to get! IMHO, the best name given to a warship was HMS Broadsword, followed by Battleaxe, Warspite and Valiant. And no, I am not British! Relatedly, worst name I've seen yet is HMS Excellent. Why don't you just get a little more pretentious and call it HMS Splendid? (hmm, that one's taken too isn't it) Not that I'm too impressed with USS Jimmy Carter. Joe Costanzo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "John Rule" Subject: IJN Equipment Just like to add my thanks to Ismail Hassenpflug for his translations of the Skywave Japanese Weapons sets. Well done!! John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Kongo grey Hello Keith and group Well I use the Humbrol 32 Dark Grey to paint my IJN warships. About the ModelMaster paints I don't think that they have a closed grey to the one used by the japanese. From this paints there is the Gunship Gray (1772) FS36118 but it is more for ex-USSR warships and there is Black Grey (1592) RAL 7021, unfortunately it is Semi-Gloss. I hope this helps in something. Compliments Filipe Ramires PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Best ship name Hello All, I just can't resist it. My vote for the best named ship ever was the US Coast Guard secretary class cutter WPG/WHEC 33. Best regards, DUANE (P.S. This class was in active service from 1936 through the 80s. They don't make 'em like they used to!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Re: USS Franklin I have to disagree with the idea that the Frankin was named after Benjamin Franklin. More on this can be found at the USS-Salem.org sight in the Naval History FAQs section. Basically though, DANFS states the ship was named after a former ship named Franklin. This makes it a tricky issue though because those former ships were named after Ben Franklin, but technically, the ship was named in honor of a former ship (ala, Ranger, Enterprise, etc). However a plaque mounted aboard the ship states she was named after the Civil War battle of Franklin. Andrew Toppan who maintains the list states this may have been a mistake, but one can't deny the fact it was on the ship. If the ship was named after Ben Franklin it would've broken standard nomenclature rules for naming carriers at the time (re: Famous Ships or Famous Battles). The only established break in nomenclature amongst the Essex class ships that I've found any official record of was for the Shangri-La - being a mythological place that FDR claimed Doolittle's raiders took off from to bomb Tokyo. Likewise, the first official recognition of a US CV being named after a politician/statesman goes to the USS Franklin D. Roosevelt. This seems to be a never ending debate, but these are the facts that I'm aware of regarding the debate. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Epoxy >> Can you use 5 minute epoxy as an electrical insulator in R/C boats? Does << >> Yes, it is a very good insulator an is used as such routinely << >> it conduct electricity? Will it go soft in the water and then start shorting the circuits? << >> No epoxy is used as a potting compound to environmentally seal electronic circuits. << My understanding from the R/C submarine guys in the SubCommitee is that the 5 minute variety does soften up after extended exposure to water. They do routinely use the 30 minute variety with great success in their R/C submarines. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re Naming carriers >> I'd like to see a more traditional name used like LANGLEY, Lexington, Cabot, Wright, Card, Gambier Bay, United States, or Ranger. But I guess since the politicians control the budget and the Republicans and Democrats constantly fight this was compromise solution. << Hi Craig, What do you mean by "traditional name"? The Lexington was named while the ship was still intended as a battle cruiser, there has never been a USS United States in commission (I hope I'm right here...anyway no carrier), and the other names you cite were only used once, except Ranger. The only tradition I am aware of, is that of naming carriers after famous battles, no doubt inspired by the Lex and Sara (see above) but only honored by the Yorktown, until the Essexes. But even then there was the Bon Homme Richard, Intrepid, Franklin, Hancock, Randolph and Cabot -- and that's just among the first 11! It ain't like the "good old days" because there never were any "good old days". Edd Pflum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Kriegsmarine Colors Hi Just going over this Airfix E-Boat kit after work this evening has reminded me how much about the Kriegsmarine I still do not know. For example does anybody here know what colors the nose section of a live torpedo would be painted? I do know that the practice torpedos had a red and white nose section. I also have a color photo of a torpedo being loaded on a type VII submarine and it is overall bare silver metal. However I do have pictures in black and white which show that the nose section of a spare torpedo on an E-boat was painted with a lighter shade of matte finish paint. About the only clue I have to work with at this point is the yellow nose section of the torpedo inside U-505 in Chicago. Anybody know anything? Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Michael Eisenstadt Subject: USS Mohawk Folks: I asked this question about a year ago, but got no responses, and so I am trying this one again. Does anyone know about the current disposition of the former museum ship, USS Mohawk? She was a WWII era cutter (looked a lot like a Flower class corvette) done up in Measure 16 camoflage or something similar. She used to be berthed somewhere in Delaware (you could see her from the Amtrak trains doing eastern corridor service), but she is no longer there. Any information about her whereabout would be appreciated. Thanks! Yours truly, Mike Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Doremus, Mark" Subject: SMML in San Francisco Folks, Thanks to all who have responded and helped me plan a trip to the Hornet and Pomponito in the Bay area. I hope to take lots of photos and I'm willing to share the bounty. I will also try to take requests, with NO guarantees of quality, if you post by Thursday AM US CST. If you want the really good stuff, check out Kurt's photos at Sea Photo (did I get that right?) Check out the photo of Mark Krumrey's prize winning Enterprise at: http://www.smml.org.uk/Archive/Pics/cvn65.jpg In it you can see my loving attention to details in photographs, especially the details of my camera strap. Mike Donegan: Last I checked USS Drum was in Mobile Bay, AL as part of the Battleship Alabama Memorial. I'm well aware that some of the folks in SF are a little ahh ... *different*. It was there as a 12 year old, I pondered the concept of *topless cocktails*. How could a drink not have a top? DOH! I also learned about female impersonators there. Back in the late '60's you could hardly turn on the TV and not see an impersonator like David Frye or Rich Little. Oh, it doesn't work that way there. =8^<> Mark Doremus Planning on enjoying a weekend away from Eden Prairie, MN. mailto:mddoremus@aol.com mailto:mark.doremus@itron.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: USS Houston (CL-81), ShipCamouflage, & Lindberg Minesweeper Now I've secured a Skywave Miami (which I should have my paws on here in a few weeks), I've got a few questions I hope I can get answers for here. The only photos I have of the Houston show her port side in Ms32/1d. Okay, I have one pic of her starboard side, but that's when she was part of CripDiv1 (later BaitDiv1) and is down by the stern. Does anyone know where I might find the camo scheme for this ship? Likewise I'm also interested in the camo scheme for the USS San Jacinto. I'm not sure of the Ms for this one. I've been trying in vein to connect to the ShipCamouflage site but since the site first went up, none of the browsers I use can seem to make a connection. Maybe the server's just too busy, but nothing I've tried to date has worked. I did once shortly after it went up, but since then...nada! Going back to the Houston... In photos of some Clevelands I've noted the Mk-??main battery directors are mounted above the Mk-37 directors, yet on others the Mk-37s are mounted above the Mk-??s. Is there any rhyme or reason to this? It appears on the Houston that the Mk-37s are mounted higher than the Mk-??s, but I can't be 100% sure. Any help here would be appreciated. Last... A buddy gave me the 1:125 Lindberg Minesweeper kit as a belated birthday present tonight. Well...he's been trying to sell or get rid of it for awhile now and I think my Bday (and my interest in ships) happened to be a convenient excuse ). Okay...I suspect I already know the answer to this, but just how accurate is this kit. It sorta appears to be an Admirable cl ship, but Minecraft aren't my forte. From the Hull number (never have I ever seen numbers that big on a Ms32 schemed ship) it would appear to be USS Sentry (AM-299), but...??? Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Yamato Decks Howdy: While most battleship decks were teak, the decks of the Yamato class were cyprus. While teak is a rather dark wood (ranging from a chocolate brown to a honey color to something rather gray depending on the wear and sun fading on the deck) the cyprus is a lighter color and was lightly tinted gray. The Tamiya paint "deck tan" should be fairly close to start...season to taste if you like. Depending on sun fading, the wear on the decks and how they are maintained, the wood decks can take on a wide range of shades. On the warship page there is a good article on painting the wooden decks of battleships...I believe it's by Rusty White using the USS New Jersey as an example. Good luck. Cheers Mike Connelley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Cleveland Cl Cruisers My apologies for harping on this tonight, gents, but I'm working on something and could use further insight from those who probably have more extensive refs than I do. I really could use a copy of Friedman's US Cruisers right about now. I know the Cleveland cl ships suffered stability problems from being rather top heavy as WWII went on, and additional AA guns & radars were added to the ships. Likewise, I understand the USN suffered massive budget cuts following the war. However, what was the reason/rational for the decom of nearly all the Cleveland/Fargo cl ships (and for that matter, nearly all the CL type ships) by '47-49? I conceed the Baltimores & Des Moines were superior as surface action vessels and AAA defense platforms. Likewise, those classes were more of a match for the Soviet large light cruisers. OTOH, it seems odd that the CLs went the way of the dino's around the time when navies seemed to be switching over to smaller vessels. I know that based on their experience with the Topeka/Providence cl ships, the USN found converting the ships into guided missile cruisers turned out to be more expensive than building purpose built ships (which is the reason why plans for converting the Kentucky, Hawaii, and more Baltimore/Oregon City cl ships into missile ships was cancelled). Of course, attempts to produce a fully automatic DP 152mm/6-in weapon during this time (British Tigers, US Worchesters, Dutch De Ruyters, Swedish Tre Kronors) seemed fraut with insurmountable technical problems, and the old Mk-16 6/47 guns on the Clevelands weren't suitable for use as AA guns. However, during the late 40s, early-mid 50s - when missile technology was in it's infancy, and gun platforms were still for the most part the norm - this trend of has always seemed odd to me. IIRC, USS Manchester was the only Cleveland that served past the 47-49 period, and was modernized with 3/50 AA guns. Did she not perform up to expectations during Korea? For that matter, is there any reason/rational given for not modernizing the newer Fargo's (which had a lighter top hamper and better AA sky arcs) in this way? I've probably given a dozen reasons already for the demise of the CL, but I've always had a strong facination with the Brooklyn, Cleveland, and Fargo cl ships. I understand the USN's stronger facination with 8" gun cruisers, but given how many of these ships that were built, and their relatively short service careers, I'm curious to know if there were other reasons for their sudden demise that might not be as apparent. And yes, my "to get" list consists of a rather large number of these types of vessels (CW's 1:350 Houston, Helena, 1:700 St Louis, Helena, IS's 1:350 Nashville, CAs 1:700 Phoenix -- and if anyone ever comes out with a Fargo & Worchester...) Now if I could just win the lottery... For that matter, was there ever any consideration of transferring any of the Cleveland/Fargos or Atlanta/Oakland/Juneaus over to foreign navies, as the Brooklyns were? I can't say I've ever heard/read about this even being discussed, but it's something I've wondered about for some time now. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: The Flowers are now blooming!!! Hi group, I now have the Warship Perspectives Flower Class Corvettes book by John Lambert in stock. Ohhhhh baby! And yes fellow Canucks, we are talking major Canadian content. There are all kinds of plans, detail drawings and camo schemes. There is even a humoungous foldout plan and drawing of HMS Anemone in the back of the book. There are lots and lots of pictures, 96 pages btw. It is freaking marvellous. If you are even remotely considering doing any of the corvette kits available on the market, then this is the book for you. Price per book: Canada: $37Cdn + $3Cdn shipping USA: $25US + $4US shippng International: $25US + $8US shipping Keith Butterley http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Joseph Poutre Subject: For sale or trade: two Revell 1/350 USS Missouris Hi all, I have two 1/350 USS Missouris for sale or trade. They're old, the boxes are beat up, and you'll need to strip paint from some of the parts. I'll go through each one and make certain all the parts are there. (Actually, I think ones a Revell and ones an Otaki, but they're basically identical.) I figure $30 (US) each. I'll sell to anyone in the States, but it would be easier to trade with people outside the USA. Let me know what you have to offer. If I sell, I'll let you know the shipping cost. If we trade, I'll absorb the shipping on my side if you do on your side. If more than two people respond, I'll put all your names in a hat and draw two. That's the only fair way to do it. Bribes will be cheerfully accepted, then ignored. Send me email offlist, so we don't clog up the list. I finally got me a Sterling 1/192 Missouri, and no longer need these. She's getting built at the New Jersey in late Korean War fit, to honor my father, who served off North Korea just weeks after the ceasefire. If _anything_ had gone wrong, I wouldn't be here, as the island was within artillery distance of shore, and there were only a half-dozen techs and the locals there. Joseph Poutre Co-webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati PS: as for politicians, I'm a firm believer in throwing the bums out every chance I get. All of them, no matter how good they say they are. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Conan35@aol.com Subject: Model Shipways USS Constitution The Model Shipways USS Constitution has just been released, a project 7 years in the making. The most accurate wooden USS Constitution kit ever made. Item no. MS2040. Paint set is item MS2040MS. Can be seen at our web site at http://www.modelexpoinc.com Best Regards Rob Finley Model Expo, Inc. 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