Subject: SMML VOL 858 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:08:22 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: SURCOUF - French Sub 2: U.S. Frigates (was U.S. Canadian Frigates) 3: Ships and Movies 4: 1812 and best navy 5: CVN 65 6: Re: Yamato 7: HO scale/ why is this so difficult? 8: Dido 9: Warspite 10: Re: RICHELIEU colors 11: Re: Shops in the DC Area 12: Pearl Harbor move & battle line 13: Bismarck plans 14: Re: Intrepid Museum 15: Re: War of 1812 16: Washing parts 17: Re: Minic Ships 18: Re: CVN-65 Enterprise Aircraft 19: Thanks for answer 20: Re: Richelieu colours 21: Warship do-it-yourself RN chip colors 22: Re: Flight deck arrow 23: Trading problems 24: Re: DIDO Colours 25: Washing Steve Wipers Kits 26: Long Lost Aircraft Consortium... 27: DECK LINES AND OTHER MINUTEA 28: Re: 2150 DD 29: USS St. Paul 30: 1/72 Nimitz Class 31: Re: US Coast Guard Patrol Boat 32: Re: War of 1812 33: Re: War of 1812 34: 2150 DD 35: Derfflinger/Luetzow - Colors 36: US Canadian Frigates -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: SURCOUF - French Sub For good photos of SURCOUF, you should try to get the book "Submarines With Wings" by Terry C Treadwell, Conway Maritime Press, 1985. There was also an article with several photos in "Warship" Vol. 25 (Conway Maritime Press, 1983). Some photos and drawings can be found in the book "Les sous-marins francais 1918-1945" by Claud Huan, and there was a monograph from the same author "Le croiseur sous-marin Surcouf 1926-1942". Both are all-French books which were published by Marines editions. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Les Pickstock Subject: U.S. Frigates (was U.S. Canadian Frigates) The Ships mentioned were built to the British "River" class design some were built in Canada. Of the "Tacoma" class frigates many were built in American yards to the British design but with welded construction. I'll post all the names and hull numbers if people are interested or you could contact me off-list . Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: Ships and Movies Weird the way things happen ... for all those in the UK, next Thursday 30th March, Channel 4 at 1.40pm, there's the movie, "The Bedford Incident"..., get the Video's ready guys! Colin Ritchie Aberdeen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: 1812 and best navy NONSENSE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: BEN8800@aol.com Subject: CVN 65 Thanks for comments. I have already added the 3 moooring ports at the bow. What really gets me about this kit is the Fresnel landing light unit. Tamiya has a drawing of the actual unit in the front part of the instruction book, yet the molded plastic part in the kit looks nothing like it. Not enough lights, etc. and more. Seems like they did not even follow their own research. Its obviously a simplification by the mold maker. By the way, someone said the SMML has a web site. I don't have the address. What is it? Ben Hi Ben, The SMML site is listed at the bottom of each SMML. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: Yamato >> what are the large portholes on both sides of the hull in way of the after centre 6inch turret below the flying deck << These were used for boat storage. Due to the immense blast of the 18.1" guns, it was not possible to store ships boats on the deck as was conventionally done. Boats were therefore stored in these storage areas on either side of the hull and were lowered/raised into the water by a set of davits which are not visible from the exterior. The 1/700 Tamiya re-issue of the Yamato/Musashi has this feature correct and from the stern looking forward, one can see the boats tucked in there. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: HO scale/ why is this so difficult? What has been pointed out with this scale is that HO was different things to different people. In the business side of the hobby world this scale is "bunk". HO is 3.5mm to the foot or 1/87. N is 1/160th scale. I think this scale is wrong completely on TT which I believe is 1/110th or 1/120th. These are the accepted standard by modelers and manufactures worldwide. There are no "accepted limits" in scale to label something Ho scale. Anyone that produced a new kit in 1/96 or 1/80 scale and put HO on it would be blown out of the water by critics and would not have any credibility in the modeling community. It is acceptable to put close to HO or usable in HO, but not to label something HO that is not built to 3.5mm/ foot. Historically HO started out as an acronym for Half O scale. At the time O scale itself was not the accepted 1/48 scale it is now. For a variety reasons the US market and most of the rest of the world settled on 3.5mm to the foot while the Brits went their own way and settled on what we now call OO scale or 1/76th. All the chart below does is show that a range of scales can be used together. For instance a 1/96th scale ship can look fine with HO/ 3.5mm to the foot figures on it. There is no argument and this chart doesn't settle it if there is. HO is 3.5mm to the foot, period. Jim >> So in the interest of settling this argument I invite you to visit the reference tables located on the Scale Link reference tables page at: http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Scalelink_Tables_49.html Or to expedite the matter review the table that I transcribed from Scale Links reference table page on acceptable limits below: Acceptable Limits: Ratio Known as Accepted limits Scale shown 1:152 N – Scale 1:148 - 1:160 2mm = 1 foot 1:100 TT – scale 1:96 - 1:105 3mm = 1 foot 1:87 HO –scale 1:80 - 1:96 3.5mm =1 foot 1:76 OO – scale 1:72 - 1:80 4mm = 1 foot 1:43 O – scale 1:43 - 1:48 7mm = 1 foot 1:34 1:32 - 1:35 9mm = 1 foot 1:30 1:30 - 1:35 10mm = 1 foot << -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Dido Hi Bob You could always do other colour schemes for Dido as well. On 9th September 1943 she was photographed in a 3 tone disruptive scheme. After this she had various dark grey, light upperworks schemes. One in particular was AP507B hull up to foredack, A turret, Y turret, Fore funnel and back of bridge. All the rest AP507C. WRPRESS has more details of the particular schemes and it might be worth contacting them. I actually liked the overall grey and so did my model in that particular scheme. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Alan Lindstrom Subject: Warspite Has anyone ever seen an actual reference (not photo interp) to the Warspite's decks being stained USN deck blue during its Puget Sound refit in 1941/1942? Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: RICHELIEU colors The translation from the book is (roughly) as follows: "At its exit of Brookly Navy Yard, the battleship, wearing its new Measure 32 camouflage.... This camouflage with the panels composed of Black, Ocean Gray and Haze Gray, was different on each side. On the port side, two false stems and a false poop framed a series of rectangles and a succession of right angles and one distorted poop. All horizontal surfaces, bridge platforms, te' the ' pointer, turrets... received the colouring " Deck Blue " as on US Navy ships, except the top of the 380mm main battery turrets of 380 which remained Haze Gray, until the end of August. The goal of the camouflage is not to hide the battleship since enemy radar can detect it before it is visible above the horizon - but to mislead the enemy as to its form, its dimensions, and the determination of its speed by optical means." John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com BTW: We're currently working on establishing contacts to try to identify the Dutch Navy's WW2 colors, and would like to do so for the French as well, if anyone on the list has any suggestions.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Re: Shops in the DC Area Piper Hobby in Chantilly also has several lines of paints and a good selection of paperback books/hobby magazines. In the same shopping center is a used bookstore and around the corner is The Game Parlor, worth checking out for paints, books, and small wargame models (1/2400 ships by GHQ and CINC, and GHQ 1/285 vehicles, aircraft, and landing craft/riverine models). There is also Rider Hobby in Sterling, with a good selection of plastic ships, and of course Granddad's Hobby in Springfield, which offers an excellent assortment of paints, books, magazines, ship models (plastic, resin, and wooden kits) and photoetched brass. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Alan Lindstrom Subject: Pearl Harbor move & battle line With the continued talk of the Pearl Harbor movie, I thought I'd review what of the battle row is available in 1/700 scale (and maybe some producers might consider filling in the gaps to take advantage of the movies publicity) Nevada - Classic Warships - out of production Vestal - Corsair Armada - planned Arizona - Classic Warships - out of production Oklahoma- Classic Warhips - out of production Maryland - Pit Road - in production West Virgina - Pit Road - in production Tennesee - ?????? Neosho - ?????? California - Jim Shirley - permanently out of production Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Bismarck plans I need some advice on where to find good plans to build a Bismarck, Scale is not much concern at this point. These have to be good reliable plans and not something that will turn out looking like a scale toy for the bathtub. Your help is always appreciated, Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: Intrepid Museum Hi All, I agree wholeheartedly with Dave's assessment as to what has happened to the Intrepid Museum. I visited it( for the first time) about a year or so after it opened. I have been back several times since, as new improvements and attractions were added. Most recently, I visited (for what may be the LAST time) about 3 mos ago and all I can say is the bozos who are running it now HAVE RUINED IT!!!!! They are more concerned with commercial bookings and cheap attractions it seems than what it was intened to be; a living museum and monument dedicated to the men who fought and died during wartime. I hope the idiots running the asylum wake up and let someone else run the museum. Along the lines of a terrific place to visit, is Battleship Cove in Fall River, Mass. The model exhibit on the USS Massachusets is FANATSTIC!!! The USS LIONFISH takes ones breath away when you walk thru it and see just how cramped those boats were!!! Heck, even my wife was fascinsated and said she had a terrific time walking thru these ships. I highly recommend the trip to Fall River and can't wait to get up to Quincy to see the USS Salem. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: War of 1812 Hi Allan, I was also surprised to find out just how big the Constutions were!! You are 100% right. There is not much out there from this period. I would love to see some more of the RN ships-of-the-line (besides another Victory) as well as some more USN Privateers and Brigs. Horatio Hornblower was one of the first adventure movies I can remember seeing on TV with my dad when I was a kid!!! It made e save my pennies for my first, HUGE (1/196th scale) USS Constitution kit by Revell. The wooden kits came later!!! By the way, I have started the HMS Exeter. The deck part was perfect..... Thanks again. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Washing parts Hello All, Just wanted to relay a sad story I heard from a friend in Nevada. He was recently married and his wife was very motivated to join him in all his interests. She even volunteered to assist him in his armor modeling. How lucky can a guy be, eh? Anyway, he was working on a resin kit and mentioned that he was going to wash the pieces to make sure that there was no release agent on them and she told him that she could do that for him. Not thinking twice he gave the kit to her. She neatly arranged all the parts in a fine screen basket and placed them in the dishwasher. I imagine that everything went OK until it got to the drying cycle. The first indication that anything was wrong was when the smoke started poring out of the dishwasher. They say that experience is what you get the instant after you need it. They're still married and the dishwasher was repairable. And someday he might be laughing about it too. I told him to be glad he wasn't a ship modeler... Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "cpalfreeman" Subject: Re: Minic Ships Hi, Lars Try http://www.moreton.com/ships/ where there are ctalogues, descriptions, special issue stuff, end links to other Minic Ship sites, and an e-mail to Richard at Kent Toys KENTTOYS@aol.com will get you some typical prices. He's recently let me know that he's acquired quite a large collection, so good luck ! Charles Palfreeman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Kenneth Perry Subject: Re: CVN-65 Enterprise Aircraft Set 1 of the aircraft has 10 aircraft, 2ea F-14, F-18, S-3, A-6, and A-7. Set 2 has 10 aircraft, 2ea E-2, SH-3, EA-6B, and 4ea F-4. They have only the basics for decals, stars and NAVY, no squadron markings. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: DUCISFAST@aol.com Subject: Thanks for answer Just a quick thank you to Rusty White, Shane, and all friendly answer for my question. Thanks! Wolfgang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson Subject: Re: Richelieu colours Greetings SMMLies If I might add my own plea on to Graham's question re Richelieu's colour scheme, anyone got some suggestions for me regarding Jean Bart's colours? Just got back into ship kits after a (much too) long absence. Any on-line reference sources or colour suggestions appreciated, especially ones that relate to Tamyia paints. Tks MVJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: Warship do-it-yourself RN chip colors I started to make myself a chip set of the RN colors as per the Warship-tips instructions... and wouldn't you know it Dutchboy changed their whole system two weeks ago. Therefor only a handful of the paint names remain in the new system. My question is since the munsell values are listed... how would I go about determining what the munsell values are under the new system so that I can still build my color chart. Even if I can't use all DB colors... there are plenty out there that I can use...I just have to figure out how to match the numbers to a chip...Any ideas? Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Bob LaBouy Subject: Re: Flight deck arrow Dear Shane, I always feel very hesitant to reply or write regarding the many items brought up in this fine newsletter, because anyone knows more about ships (and most other things I am aware of) than I do. However, I do want to add to the note that Rusty White provided in his response and his information is probably based on some first hand knowledge or experience I am totally unaware of. From my experiences aboard several recent carriers including a week aboard the Nimitz in '91, I learned the "arrow line" to be commonly called the "free shot" line. It is further delineated in the Navy's guide on this subject, the VLA (or Visual Landing Aids General Service Bulletin No. 8, Rev. K) in several references, namely those on Fig 1, listing "Standard Flight Deck Marking CV & CVN Aircraft Carrier" as the "Free Deck Launch Line." Subsequent visits aboard both the Nimitz and three of her sister ships have revealed this line is no longer being painted onto the decks. The sole reason for this line and arrow marking was to give those flying a propellor driven a/c from the deck, without the aid of the deck catapults, a reference for their safe take off from the deck. This line has never been included in the deck lighting scheme nor do I know of any reference to its use in low light/fog situations to guide aircraft. That's the responsibility of the "deck apes" and the specially trained deck personnel who govern all deck movements, under any conditions and at all times control the movements of a/c across the deck. If Tim, who wrote the original letter would like a copy of the Navy's guide to these deck markings, I'd be happy to correspond with him and try to make them available. Thanks, Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "KOSTAS ORNERAKIS" Subject: Trading problems Hi All, I am a modeler from Greece, subscribed a few months ago in this list and I feel uncomfortable using it to complain, but I hope I'll get help. On 1/30/00 I sent an order to a trader by fax, including my credit's data.The trader is John Marco. http://www.nebiz.net/4star/ord2.htm. Mr. Marco charged my card the very next day with the amount we had agree with former emails. After a month or so, I send some emails asking for the order's history and at last he asked for my patience. I made patience and came back after some time with emails, which had no answers at all. I worry for my money of course,but mostly I feel rejected. Any suggestions? Regards Kostas Ornerakis Canea-Crete GREECE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: DIDO Colours Bob: Looking in my Ensign copy, it appears to me that ARGONAUT wore 507A, 507C, and B5. The 1942 Admiralty Light Disruptive Type used MS1, MS2, MS3, MS4, MS4A, 507A, 507C, and B5. Steel decks were either 507A or MS 2. Wooden, semtex, asphalt, or corticene decks stayed their natural colour. Athwartship vertical surfaces were 507C or MS4A. Countershading in white was used. Perhaps someone from WRPress will comment on ARGONAUT.... John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Joe Damato" Subject: Washing Steve Wipers Kits I would recommend you wash any of Steve's kits. You never know what he did with them before he sent them out. I'm just starting to understand how passionate he is about his craft. Just a warning. Best Joe Damato -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" Subject: Long Lost Aircraft Consortium... There are a few of us SMMLies that are searching for aircraft to fit our old Revell 1/542 carriers. With the old USS Wasp, Midway, Shangri-La, and Lexington kits you can get a collection of A-4, F-8, F-4, SH-3, HUP, UH-1, F-9, T-28, F-4U, A-1, Trackers, and T-2's. But few of us can find the aircraft we may want to fit a carrier for the mid-50's to mid-60's. Even still there are no Cutlasses or Skywarriors in 1/542 that I know of so these will need to be scratchbuilt. I myself only have the USS Lexington w/o aircraft (an old "toy" I had from childhood in which all the aircraft "flew" the coop). What some of us are wondering is if SMML could develop a swap where we can share old, o-o-p aircraft at no cost and then make our own resin copies for personal use. Would that break copyrighting? Again this is not for sale, but rather share. IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Robert OConnor Subject: DECK LINES AND OTHER MINUTEA SMMLies A couple of comments on the posts of the recent past: The flight deck arrow on USN carrier decks was, according to my father, who served aboard ESSEX (66-68) and INDEPENDENCE ( 70-72), was as a guide for naval aviators to fly off the deck in the event of catastrophic catupult failure. He told me a long time ago that the line, situated as it is from about 1/2 the way up the deck, indicated the safest mid-deck route toward the bow of the ship. Rusty's version may also be correct, but I like what dear old (salty) dad sez!!! As for the bastardization of our museum ships, Lex, Intrepid and the rest, I understand a playground of sorts for the rugrats , but the interactive crap described in postings and other personal accounts, leads me to personal disgust. History and honor are not trendy or fun. The memories of the heroes who served, fought and died from these monuments should not be defiled by this kind of activity. I would hope that the USN, which often retains a certain amount of control over museum ships, would put a halt to all that. I'll get off my soapbox.(reminds me of Hyde Park Corner!!). Bob O'Connor, from a warm and humid central Florida. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Andy Hampa Subject: Re: 2150 DD Hi Bob, Check out Destroyers Online at www.plateau.net/usndd. Type the name in the search engine, it'll be the first site in the results. There are four pictures, one in 61 and three in 51. They're not the greatest photos but they may give you an idea. Aside from AA and anti-sub armament, it didn't look like she changed much from WWII. Andy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: USS St. Paul The USS St. Paul was featured in the movie In Harm's Way. If you visit the USS Salem, check out the St. Paul association's photos from the movie, in the St.Paul room. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: 1/72 Nimitz Class I knew a fellow in Seattle who had a 1/144 scale USS NImitz RC model. His model was about 7 feet long. To make it easy to transport, he built the hull in two sections - forward and aft. The sections were put in the water and then bolted together. When the wingnuts were tightened, the seam nearly disappeared. The flight deck was in three sections-- forward, midships, and aft. Only the midships section had to be removed to get access to the batteries, speed controls, and to assemble the hull, but all 3 sections were removeable. The other thing I remember about this model is the fact that it only drew about 4 inches of water. It was very difficult to handle in cross winds, with shallow draft and lots of sail area. If I was to build a model in 1/72 scale, I'd start with a book on small boat building. I'd go with a wood frame covered in fiberglass. I'd also consider modular construction, esp. if I didn't plan on buying a decent-sized boat trailer. One last thing -- don't forget to check displacement -- I would guesstimate that a model this size will displace several hundred pounds. That's a heavy model, or a lot of ballast! Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: US Coast Guard Patrol Boat Thanks to Duane Fowler and Mike Maynard for their replies on the 95' Coast Guard Patrol Boat. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: War of 1812 Hi Guys Concerning the war of 1812 it was remarked about the burning of Washington, DC. This was caused by the burning of the Canadian Capital York (Today it's know as Toronto) by the American Army in 1813. I yr. before the burning of Washington. US war strategy in that war called for Napoleon Bonaparte to keep the Brits busy and that navy could never be as big as the Royal Navy but it would be the army that would defend the country and attempt to conqueror Canada. At the end of the Napoleanic War England was finicially exhausted so a peace treaty made sense. Make no mistake there was no lack of bravery on the US soldier or Sailor part but what the Brits had was better leadership from years of fighting. This was illustrated by the lack organization of defense for Washington, DC. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: War of 1812 TO: David Summers Just a thought about the devotion or lack of it by the New England States towards the "beloved fatherland". There is much that is not covered by most American History courses. I commend to your attention the Hartford Convention. From December 15, 1814-January 5, 1815 official delegates from the New England states met in Hartford, Conn. to discuss their role in the war. In short, they were ag'in it. New England was suffering greatly from the Brit blockade and raids. Commerce was at a standstill. New England depended on seafaring and they couldn't even go out and fish. Things were getting hungry up there. After a fairly raucous bit, they came up with a series of demands: 1) 7 specific amendments to the Constitution that would enhance the power of New England at the expense of the rest of the country, 2) and end to the war. If they did not get their way, they pledged to convene another convention in June 1815. While the subject was not stated openly, it was strongly implied that this second convention would declare secession from the United States; and the New England states, singly or together, would seek a separate peace with England that may or may not return them to the control of the Crown. Keep in mind that this was not a group of crazies, these were the duly selected and appointed delegates of the state governments acting with the knowledge and approval of those governments. It was their luck, for good or ill, to send their demands to Washington at the wrong time. They arrived at the same time as the celebrations of the peace treaty with Britain began. OOPS! There was a fairly hasty reversal of course and covering of tracks. It might also be noted that since it was the New England Federalist Party that sponsored this convention, as word got out the Federalist Party died, being unable to field a national candidate by 1820. One of the things I do for fun is to present the Civil War as living history to grades K-12 here in Colorado. Since it is ironic that the states which were so hell-bent to keep the South in the Union were themselves willing to secede and turn themselves over to a foreign power in time of war; the subject may come up next time I do the South for a class. Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: 2150 DD Robert... There's an article about accurizing the Lindberg Blue Devil Fletcher on the Warships site. I believe it's in the reviews area. May not be what you're wanting specifically, but it might give you an idea. Doesn't look to be an easy project from what I remember. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: Derfflinger/Luetzow - Colors The color of the upper surfaces actually was a very dark gray, almost black. You can see this on some photos. If it looks a lighter gray on most of the photos, you must take in account the lightenig-up effect of reflection. As for the red aft funnels, this was a recognition sign and was ordered to be carried only when the ship was out of sight from land (for secrecy purposes). So the funnels were painted and re-painted when the ships were at sea. This is the reason why you can hardly find any photo. But there must have been instructions on what color (red or yellow) which funnels had to be painted for which operation. My letter in PSM 17 was based on an article in a German magazine by a guy who had evaluated these instructions and the ship's logs. If there is no sign of a red paint on the photos of the damaged SEYDLITZ, it most probably was painted out while she was limbing back. You may argue that the crew had better things to do than to re-paint a funnel, but secrecy was very strictly observed and not everybody was engaged in damage control. By the way, there are lots of photos of ships of the Kaiserliche Marine which show dark funnels. But don't let them fool you. These photos were taken during the shakedown cruises and only show how the first paint was burnt off by the heat which resulted from high speed tests. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: US Canadian Frigates Andy... I haven't had much luck trying to compile a list of all the US PFs. JFS of WWII has a number of them listed, but not all of those listed include their hull numbers. Nearly 18 yrs ago I found a fairly complete list of US PFs in Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1922-1946. Unfortunately, I didn't have the money to get it, and I've never seen it again for for sale again locally since. Would love to get it for all the line drawings of WWII vessels, but at the moment I couldn't afford it even if I could find one. I'm familar with the BaD Ships model, but 1/96 is too large a scale for me to display. I figure I'll eventually (some year) scratchbuild one in 1:350 or 1:700, since the design is fairly simplistic and straight forward. That, or perhaps someone will make a kit of the Canadian River class that I can bash into the US type. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation The Deadline to pre-register for the SMML convention is April 1st 2000! If you want to attend, please contact us as soon as possible so that we can get a accurate head count. Also, for those who plan on coming to the convention from far away, the special rate on the Hotel expires on April 6th. Hotel arrangements can be found at: http://www.smml.org.uk/help/smml_hotels.html The SMML convention date is May 5th and May 6th onboard the USS Salem (CA-139) Ship Museum. 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