Subject: SMML VOL 861 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:58:38 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Pit-Road Survey Summary 2: Semtex 3: Calypso 4: Large Scale RC CV 5: MBA's 6: Re: D-I-Y paint chips 7: Question 8: Re: Copyrights 'n stuff 9: Movie footage 10: Adding Ballast 11: Casting clear parts 12: Resin C1 and/or C1-M-AV1 13: New Jersey color 14: Re: Sharing models 15: Hatsuzuki 25mm AA fit 16: Re: Coontz class DDg/DLG models 17: IJN Taiho color -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Book for sale 2: Model Ship Journal Update 3: GMM's new web address -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Hughes Family" Subject: Pit-Road Survey Summary For everyone who took part in the Pit-Road survey on the warship's message board - check out the summary at: http://member.nifty.ne.jp/pitroad/pit800e.html Let's hope they will seriously consider our requests! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Alan Lindstrom Subject: Semtex Shane, I've been searching the archives for anything definitive on the color of semtex but haven't found anything yet. Did you ever come to a conclusion? WEM says it is "medium dark grey" but the S&S RN paint chips show it as a very pale green. What is semtex anyway, something like linoleum? You're doing a great job with the list. Regards, Alan Danville, California (near San Francisco) Hi Alan, Well, I went with the info in Alan Raven's PSM issue - ie: a "green" colour. We may have to wait until the RN Camo series comes out for a definitive answer. Thanks for the compliment as well, much appreciated. Shane - moaning the fact that daylight saving is finishing & looking for a good bottle of scotch to tide me thru this traumatic experience ;-> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "MJW" Subject: Calypso >> We would appreciate if anyone knows the whereabouts of the original ship << The original ship is no more (as far as I know). However, does anyone know what minesweeper she was during WWII? regards Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Large Scale RC CV If you are interested in Large scale RC CV's, check out this guy's site. http://community-2.webtv.net/CVRC78/WelcomeAboard/ Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: MBA's Hi James Don't knock the MBA's. We go around correcting all the balls up you 'experienced' people make. The Intrepid experience sounds to me like an idea we had in Britian back in the '80's. It led to the absurdity of the Victoria and Albert Museum being described as 'an ace caff with quite a nice museum attached'. Morons get everywhere I'm afraid. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: D-I-Y paint chips >> Why do I change the oil on my car? Why do I scratchbuild? Why should I spend money when personal effort can achieve the same results? yeah...yeah I know your chips will be better... << I never said that so please do not put words into my mouth. >> Wow...did I touch a nerve or something? Do you guys build every model straight from the box? No? Then you'll understand if I'm a bit of a Do-it-yourselfer. Hell... that's the beauty of modeling..it's much more valuable to you if you build it yourself rather than buying it built up! I'm well aware of the existence of your chip sets...(no pressure)... if I wanted to buy one I would. << I'm just wondering that's all. It seems like you are doing a awful lot of work for something that can be had for less than 20 bucks. If you are doing it for the sheer joy of knowlege then fine. But if you are doing it so save a few bucks then it seems to me to be a complete waste of time and resources. Take a look for youself at how the Navy came up with some of their WWII colors: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/ships2_9_41_chapter2.htm John Sheridan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Question I am gathering reference material prior to starting on the Tamiya Missouri. I have noticed that in many photos of her, she has her #2 main turret trained all the way to port, actually facing as far aft to port as it will go. Why was this done? The other two turrets are trained fore and aft normally. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: Copyrights 'n stuff >> You're walking on some very thin legal ice here. I'd talk to a lawyer..... << >> Well, its like making a xerox copy. If you borrow a book from the library and make a copy of it for... <<< Oboy!! Here we go with the Lawyer thread again!! This is gonna be fun! Lovin' it, Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Robert OConnor Subject: Movie footage SMMLies, All this past week, I forgot to mention the movie my 11 yr old history buff son and I watched on the History Channel. Last saturday "Wake Island" , a 1942,early war feel good propaganda movie was aired. In it was big gun footage of a Nevada(?) BB portraying the Japanese BB's shelling the little island in December, 1941. The story was only loosely based on fact as the survivors were interred in a Chinese POW camp until 45. Movie footage included great F4 Wildcat and PBY shots as well as models of Japanese Mogami Class cruiser being smeared by shore based 5" gunfire. Several times the BB main gun footage showed the obvious bow contour of a Nevada, and other lesser ships which often appeared too quickly to identify. Also of interest was shots of Betty bombers, as well as Jap biplanes (I'm not a IJN or army fan, so don't know what they were). Overall, a very enjoyable flick, which kept me out of the back yard raking leaves. Bob O'Connor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Adding Ballast I recently finished (except for some details I had to order) a 1:350 plastic copy of the SMS Emden . . . for a beginner's effort I think it looks pretty good. Could have been worse. But there was one thing I did finally do that improved the model by a factor of 10 (in my opinion) without touching any of the visible exterior, and that was to add ballast to the interior hull. I melted a couple of chunks of paraffin wax and poured it into the bottom of the hull. Now, when you pick up the model it "feels" like a real boat . . . doesn't feel like a cheesy poof plastic model any more. It has some real mass. Good ole mass. Feels real good when you hold it out at eye level. Hope I'm not alone in this. To me it's that same thing you feel with a car door . . . close the door on a big, heavy luxury car and you hear (feel) a very good and impressive ka-thump. Close the door on my very good and very inexpensive transportation car and you hear a very disappointing ka-dink. These things make a difference! Now, no one on this earth has touched my Emden except me . . . but I know what it feels like and that's the important part. I'm not alone in this am I? You've got to have plenty of ballast !! A man without ballast is just another buoy. What's your opinion? Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "wblad" Subject: Casting clear parts Model railroad shops and Micro-Mark sell a clear, two-part resin intended to simulate water on model RR layouts. This should as well or better than epoxy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "William B. Smallshaw" Subject: Resin C1 and/or C1-M-AV1 So.... When you resin kit making folks stop beating on each other, would one of you whip up a 1/700 C1 and/or a C1-M-AV1? All of you guys make great products, despite the quantity of mold release. I specifically like the new Loose Cannon Victory, really nice work. Bill Smallshaw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: New Jersey color The Tamiya New Jersey is made to represent her as the 80's so she would not be the Haze Grey of WWll. The paints for the 80's are allot different in gray colors. I'm not the expert but I can remember the gray would be different by a shade on almost every ship that was tied up in Norfolk. Each base seems to have a different brand of paint and that also accounts for the different shades even though their suppose to be a set standard. I solved my modern gray problems by getting paint right from the DDG Burke. Then I lightened it up just a tad. How much is a tad you ask, how about a little. Its six of one half dozen of the other. But maybe the paint guys can help you out, they have with me. KTB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Sharing models >> What some of us are wondering is if SMML could develop a swap where we can share old, o-o-p aircraft at no cost and then make our own resin copies for personal use. Would that break copyrighting? Again this is not for sale, but rather share. << >> You're walking on some very thin legal ice here. I'd talk to a lawyer..... << >> Well, its like making a xerox copy. If you borrow a book from the library and make a copy of it for yourself thats "bad" thats "wrong" thats a "violation of that publisher's rights". Same goes for taping a broadcast TV show on your VCR. Everybody does it and unless you cross the line into commerical sales, nobody gets a cease and desist letter. Hell, almost every library has a xerox machine in it. Get my drift? No problem with a "lending library" of model aircraft. Capish? Dave << If I understand the question correctly, I think the person above Dave's reply is asking if he could make copies for all his friends. If so that is DEFINITELY a copyright violation. By doing so you are depriving a company, be it large or small, from potential sales. If you make them for yourself, that is not a copyright violation. Example: We put drawings in our books for modelers to use, not for them to sell or make copies for all their friends. If that did happen, we would not have enough book sales to afford to continue printing more, then we all lose out. Steve Wiper Classic Warships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Hatsuzuki 25mm AA fit I would like to build Hatsuzuki as sunk off Cape Engano in October1944. So far, I have not found information on her light AA fit. The Model Art volume on destroyers has a sideview for 1942, but as Hatsuzuki spent the last few months of her life in Japan for refit & training (see TROM on Nihon Kaigun page), an increase in 25mm guns seems likely. Can you shed some light on this? Greetings, Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Subject: Re: Coontz class DDg/DLG models There must be some mind readers out there, no sooner do I put down a good book on the subject, thinking that it would be a good subject to follow up the C F Adams and Knox with, than lo and behold, someone enquiring about one. I don't believe that this one has been done in any scale at all, which is a shame as it , like the Adams, is a classy looking vessel. Depending on how the Adams and Knox fare in the market place, it will be next on the list for US frigates / destroyer subjects in 1/350, always providing Caroline says yes to it being a WEM kit. Watch this space. BTW. The 1/350 C F Adams patterns are now almost complete, depicting the ship as it was in its early days. A little bit of fine tuning then off to the production line. All the best Peter Hall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Dave Swindell Subject: IJN Taiho color >> Trying to find out if the Taiho was painted in either Japanese aircraft carrier greens or a dark gray. Any help would be appreciated..... << Hi Mike, Not a definitive answer, but dark grey overall. I've just got Gakken 22 Shinano/Taiho from HLJ, if you're wanting to superdetail a Taiho then this book is highly recommended. Lots of onboard and in action photos, lines, sheer and body plans and photos of a 1:500 model. This is shown as overall dark grey, and none of the photos show signs of a camouflage pattern. There's a large colour foldout of the deck camouflage layouts for Unryu, Chitose, Unyu and Taiyu. Photo coverage of the Shinano is restricted to one, but there's quite a few drawings and photo's of a 1:300 scale model in two tone green. Nearly all text is in Japanese :-(, have to learn a bit more! price is reasonable 1600 yen. Hope that's helpful Regards Dave Swindell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts The Deadline to pre-register for the SMML convention is April 1st 2000! If you want to attend, please contact us as soon as possible so that we can get a accurate head count. Also, for those who plan on coming to the convention from far away, the special rate on the Hotel expires on April 6th. Hotel arrangements can be found at: http://www.smml.org.uk/help/smml_hotels.html The SMML convention date is May 5th and May 6th onboard the USS Salem (CA-139) Ship Museum. For more information, check out the SMML website at: http://www.smml.org.uk/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Percy, John" Subject: Book for sale Hello all, I have a book for sale: "Battleships of World War II", by MJ Whitly At last the real encyclopedia of World War II battleships! With over 250 photographs and detailed line drawings, full technical data, complete coverage of ship design and wartime service record, you can track the moves of battle wagons from Argentina to South Dakota. Don't miss the battleships that were the picture of naval might! 320 pages, may b/w photos and drawings. Cost: $40, shipping included. US and its territories only and Payment by money order, please. John Percy mailto:jpercy@clariion.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Victor Baca Subject: Model Ship Journal Update MODEL SHIP JOURNAL--P.O. Box 28516 Bellingham, WA 98228-0516 First Issue Contents We are finalizing most of the first issue contents of Model Ship Journal. The magazine will be delivered to the printer on May 31st. If you have not called or written to get your subscription ($30.00 one year U.S., $45.00 one Year foreign) in for the premier Issue Zero; get on the toll-free line, (877) 371-0290, ASAP or e-mail us so we can get you aboard. Remember Issue Zero will only print as 1,000 copies, after the target subscription numbers are reached, all others start with Issue Number One in September. We'll also have a web site up soon. So don't miss out--you'll be disappointed as heck when you see what your buddies got in the mail! MODEL SHIP JOURNAL articles for ISSUE ZERO: USS Wichita (CA-45) pictorial by Steve Wiper. There are 15 historical photos of this ship showing her frozen in time on 7 Nov. 1943. SCRATCHBUILDING hulls in balsa-The easy way. Victor Baca cooks up ways to scratchbuild hulls without giving up a lot of time. We pass on simple techniques you can use to transform plans into an accurate hull armored in fiberglass. Each quarter, we'll take the hull and bring it to a completed 1/350th scale model in this on-going series. MODELS in 1/1200th and 1/1250th scale: We're working on kit reviews of some fantastic kits and models in this popular scale. These collectable (and buildable) models are a regular feature in Model Ship Journal. PLAN REVIEWS: SMS EMDEN, WWI German light cruiser. Drawn by Peter Gunter Huff, reviewed by Steve Wiper. Steve goes page-by-page in this 14 sheet detailed plan set and gives you the info you need for ordering the plans as well. Steve also gives you the scoop on the latest USS ATLANTA (CLAA-51) "TFW" series plans from Tom Walkowiak, founder of The Floating Drydock. Steve takes you through all 3 sheets in the set and gives his expert opinion. BOOK REVIEWS: The outstanding Grand Prix book, "Imperial Japanese Navy Ships" and William J. Veigele's excellent book, "PC Patrol Craft Of WWII." NAVAL ARCHITECTURE: Each issue of Model Ship Journal brings you a complete set of General Arrangement plans with Hull Lines. The plans chosen for Issue Zero show the U.S. Coast Guard's 378' High Endurance cutters, post-FRAM with the 76mm 62 cal. MK 75 gun. They are drawn to depict no less than 8 cutters in this class of sleek ships. These are just a few of the subjects MODEL SHIP JOURNAL will be covering in Issue Zero. And, we'll bring you news from the model ship industry: The latest on new LAPCO 1/350th scale kits and the reworked oldies but "better than ever" goodies coming from LAPCO (the Lost Aurora Plastic Corporation); Heller's new ship model releases for 2000 and some interesting small-tool catalogs that are "must haves" for the ship modeler. I'll be working the layouts all next week and adding more as it evolves. Best Regards, Victor M. Baca MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM's new web address I've received a couple of notes from modelers who've said they couldn't get the new GMM web site to open properly. The new site's address is: www.goldmm.com I've repeatedly opened the site using that address as well as the shorter version (goldmm.com) and it works every time for me. I've also had several comments from modelers in the United States and Europe who've said they have had no problems accessing it. To those of you who've had problems, please try it again using one of the above two variations of the new address. Loren Perry/GMM Hi gang, If the above two don't work, try the full address of: http://goldmm.com/ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume