Subject: SMML VOL 865 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:54:49 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Posting Books on the Internet 2: L'Arsenal Flower Corvette 3: Re: OT Fun question 4: Re: Copyrights (my last) 5: Re: Paint and masking tape question 6: Re: Need Aurora Bainbridge and ? LCU instructions 7: Re: Simpson's Rule 8: Re: paint and masking tape question 9: Re: Soviet Submarine Colors 10: Re: Copyright 11: Re: Calypso model availabilty 12: Yamato 13: Bismarck site & depthcharges 14: Re: Masking Tape 15: Re: Soviet Submarine Colors 16: Re: whats a ton of displacement 17: 1/72 AND 1/192 SCALE NAVAL FIGURES 18: Nagato/Sakawa 19: Paint & Masking Tape Question 20: Calypso 21: Flags & Dido's 22: Submarine Markings 23: Re: HMS Defiance 24: Tape and Paint 25: Re: IPMS Nationals 26: Missouri Question 27: The Ship Modeler's Association 28: Re: Paint and masking. 29: water saver flush 30: Re: Copyrights 31: Copyright 32: FSM Reader's Choice Awards 33: Resin 34: Pearl Harbor Models 35: Maritime Models... GONE!! 36: Re: Coontz class, BB-62 37: Mr. "DSTEDDIK" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: SMMLie convention accommodation 2: smml convention -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: BWN 1/350 S-37 Kits For Sale 2: Warship Update 3: ICM 1/350 KONIG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Posting Books on the Internet >> To expand on this if someone will sell me this book or even lend me their copy, I will covert it to Portable Document Format ..... and will make it available to anyone that would like to see it << Jason, If I understood your post -- you want to borrow some guy's published book, you are neither the author nor copyright holder, nor do you have the publisher's permission, and you want to make an infinite number of copies of the entire book available over the internet for all and sundry to download? Yikes!! I am sure your heart is in the right place... but that's got "infringement" "copyright violation" "law suit" and "doh!" written all over it! BIG TIME! Gee whiz, just check the interlibrary loan system at your local library, or get your own copy off eBay or Amazon. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: L'Arsenal Flower Corvette Mike, The PE railings provided with the kit are meant to have the bottoms bent at a 90 degree angle to make "feet". If you look closely, you will see sort of a score line which helps guide the bend. Drilling all of those holes is not necessary and would be a real pain to do. I completed L'Arsenal's Type A-69 Aviso and it was a great little kit to do. I have both Flowers (maybe you saw the review on my website - International Maritime Modeling) and agree that they are nice kits. Now that the WR Press book is out, those kits may float to the top of the to-do mountain! Regards, Felix Bustelo http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: OT Fun question Kelvin The ferrule you are talking about is what we use to called a seldom use item. Once installed the thing was there to stay for the expected life span of the cistern. Because of this they are made to the bare minimum standards. The plastic is thin because it doesn't need to be thicker! The nuts are only really designed to be done up once and to be honest, should discourage the DIY types. The threads are small to make manufacture easier. Threads like this are usual moulded rather than cut so a finer thread is easier to de-mould. They can be quite poorly moulded as it's not a pressure bearing fitting which tend to have cut threads and are better quality too. "Cisterns of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains" Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Gene Larson Subject: Re: Copyrights (my last) This is a very good interchange of facts and ideas, and well worth the time. I imagine, however, the SMML is getting tired of it. So this is my last on the subject here. Richa5011@aol.com wrote: >> Out of polite curiosity, what type of documents is the NRG looking to duplicate? Are you looking to republish these documents or just to have them for research purposes? << I don't understand the first phrase. We are not considering duplicating documents at the present. We are in the publishing business (a Journal, as part of our model building support efforts), and we take extreme care in insuring our authors have received the proper release of material, such as photos, portions of text, etc. Right now we are trying to give guidance to model builders regarding the copying of ship plans and other material. My post to SMML...... >> 2. In the US the law reads inpart, "Copies may be made only for personal or scholarly use, and may not be sold, republished or otherwise distributed in any way.". What this means in plain english is that, if I find a rare book in the library, I can legally make a xerox copy for myself, but I can not sell or give away xerox copies, or reset the type and republish the book without violation of copyright. (etc) << But your original post didn't say the "rare book" part. Also the "rare book" cannot be copied without permission of a library or archive, as you cited in 108. (below) >> Gene...please keep in mind that the limitations upon the NRG (an organization) as a "Library or Archive" are somewhat different than my limitations as an individual, acting only for myself. << I have never seen this statement written anywhere in the law. We are a not-for-profit incorporated entity and we consider we have the same restrictions as any individual. >> Your citation of section 107 is correct as far as it goes, but the key is found in Section 108 which deals with “Limitations on Exclusive Rights”...or to put it another way, the exceptions to the rule. As you will see, subsections (a), (b), and (c) apply to libraries and archives, while subsections (d) and (e) apply to individuals, or as they are called in the Copyright Law, "users". As you will note in subsection (e) an individual may copy the entirety of a publication if it is not available at a “fair price” SNIP << ONLY with permission of the library or archive after determination of stated criteria (not fully copied above). Note the title of 108 "...Reproduction by libraries and archives" The copyright law book in 302.(e) also says application can be made to the copyright office for permission to copy 75 published work or 100 years from creation work, but the office has to issue a presumption of death, and a release to copy. The bottom line to all this discussion is that to copy material still under copyright, the individual must obtain permission from someone, the copyright holder, a library or archive under limited conditions, or the Copyright Office, again under limited conditions. An individual cannot take a book of his library shelf or from the local library and start copying all or part for himself or a friend. Now, what is actually done is different - There are a lot of e-mail offers saying, "I'll make a copy of it and send it to you". We are just discussing the law. Hope to see al lot of you at the Queen Mary; Western Ship Model Conference and Exhibit this weekend Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, charitable, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson Subject: Re: Paint and masking tape question Felix, I'm not sure about the model shipways paint (never used it) but on other models I have encountered similar tape lifting when I mix and match enamels with acrylics. Some acrylics just don't take well to being masked if they're sprayed over enamels. Tamyia is particularly prone to this. After this happened to me "the twice" (ie the first and last time) I took to sealing each coat with an appropriate clear. That means if my base or prime coat is enamel, I used an enamel based clear coat and vice versa for acrylics. Then I merrily mask off, re spray and away we go, pas de problems. I don't know if that's overkill but it beats the heck out of taking all the tape off and repainting or (shudder) painting your blacks, then de-taping only to find splotches that can't be fixed without going back to square one. This is all a longwinded way of saying, I think your approach to seal and proceed will work. Mark VJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Need Aurora Bainbridge and ? LCU instructions Joe, I've got the BAINBRIDGE instructions at hand, AND photos of her in the 1966-70 period. Contact me off-list with your address. The LCU was a Lindberg product. Can't help with that one. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com Newsletter Editor, USS Bainbridge Association -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Re: Simpson's Rule >> If you haven't built the model, but have a set of hull sections, mark your desired waterline on the sections, calculate the area below the waterline for each section and use Simpson's rule to calculate the submerged volume of the model. If you're metric and work in metres then one cubic metre = 1000kg freshwater. This will give you a good target weight for your completed model. << As someone whose last calc class was in Reagan's first term, I would appreciate it if could you please post Simpson's rule. Steve Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Kenneth Perry Subject: Re: paint and masking tape question It sounds like you might need to roughen up the surface a little with some sandpaper before spraying the primer on it. Then in some cases, I also sand the primer before the color coat. I've found some primers to be almost a semi-gloss after applying it and the paint will lift off with tape. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Soviet Submarine Colors Hello to all I am also currently with this problem. I have the Dragon's Alfa, Oscar and Delta soviet/russian submarines to build and all of them indicates to the color of the bellow hull some sort of dark gray (Gunze Sangyo 82 or 31). They don't speak of any thin white line. All the photos that I have from this submarines don't indicate this feature and some of them are quite closed-in but if you have asked to a russian naval officer about this doubt? I also believe that the SSN's were more dark then the others. I have one excellent video documentary of the Mourmask naval base and they show very well their submarines and their grays. Also I am currently investigating about the best paints for the ex-USSR submarines, I don't trust much in what Dragon's indicates to this submarines. Happy Modeling Filipe C. Ramires PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Copyright For what it is worth - I think it is a moral issue. I have no problem when someone wants to put a copy of one of my paintings on their personal web site. But I would have a problem with them making prints and selling them. Understand that I am the one that did the research and produced the finished product - the law is very specific in protecting me - it is the same for the models and books etc. I have no problem with anyone doing a painting of their own - it is a free country. But morally to take what someone else has worked hard on and produced - for their personal profit is stealing. Again, the fine line with me is if you want to use it for yourself that is fine. I also think that in many cases that is a give that you can use something personally - otherwise why buy the book or the plans or whatever. I face this all of the time and have also accepted the fact that anything on the Internet is fair game for anyone. I keep that in mind when I add something to my Web site. Mike NAVYDAZE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Calypso model availabilty >> Just out of intrest what sort of kit was the Revell Calypso? Is it still in production and is it suitable for R.C.? << The Calypso model is long out of production and I doubt it will ever be produced again since the death of her owner will limit interest in the kit. However, stranger things have happened? The kit is an abysmal mess. Poor molding, heavy detail (what little detail there is) and lots and lots of corrective surgery to do. Don't start this one without good references. As I said earlier, once fixed up, it's really an impressive model. I doubt that it's suitable for R/C. It's just too small. Don't know the scale, but as I recall, it was about 16" inches end to end. You can find the model on eBay quite often. It sells for about $25.00 on the average plus or minus. Hope this helps. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Kamarul Hair Kamarudin Subject: Yamato Hi to all SMMLers I've just received my copy of the Gakken WWII Series DX Vol2, Gakken #20 and 1/350 Tamiya Yamato from Hobby Link Japan and waiting for the Gakker #11 which is backordered. I'm thinking of bulding her during her the last mission to Okinawa and according to the Tamiya instruction set the model already represent herselt as of this time. Now my question is is there any major changes that I've to do or any items that are missing in the kit (e.g. AA guns, gun directors etc). If yes what are the things and where can I get them. Secondly, I've want to do the details of the ship during its last mission to Okinawa, can you recommend what photoetch and the extra things needed whitout having having going into shortage of those things (e.g. ladders and rails). In the Gakken #20 on page 116-125, there are pictures of the 1/72 18.1" main gun of the Yamato. Is this model scratchbuild or already exist just like any other models, if yes where can buy this model. If it is scratchbuild, is there any instruction/diagram on how to build it. Thanks for any information that you can give. Hairi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: peter samolinski Subject: Bismarck site & depthcharges Your SMMLies are great! Just started and have been "wowed". Two questions: 1) is there a Bismarck website similar to the Hood's? 2) anyone konw where I can find drawings, plans, etc. of German depth charges of the WWII era - need to scratchbuild some in 1:35. Thanks. Pete Samolinski, Wausau, Wis. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Re: Masking Tape Felix - Don't use regular household masking tape (if that's what you used) on a plastic or resin model. While not perfect, nor inexpensive, the specialty hobby masking tapes sold by Tamiya and Testor/Model Master work much better when it comes to not leaving residual adhesive or pulling up paint. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: James Corley Subject: Re: Soviet Submarine Colors >> Does anyone have an idea if this is correct or what colors the Soviets used below the waterline? << >> I wondered about this for a while and finally had the chance to pose the question to the navigation officer on a Soviet nuclear submarine. He told me that the waterline is marked with a narrow white stripe and the entire hull, above and below, is black. This applies to the 1980's time frame. Sounds dull, but actually looks nice especially since it contrasts with US submarines. << I have some color photos in Warship Int’l that would conflict with that info. There are two subs, beached, that clearly show red paint under the white stripe ... either that ot there is a nice, even coat of rust! I am wondering about the greenish-grey they used to paint the top of their sub hulls in the 60s and 70s. It would be really nice to do one of the Romeo kits in something a little 'Prettier" than black on black. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Fritz Koopman Subject: Re: whats a ton of displacement Hi Mike: Mike Connelly wrote: >> That is, you multiply the displacement of the ship in whatever units you want (kilos, tons, points) by the cube of the scale. There is one thing that I want to be sure on. When a ship's displacement is quoted in tons, is that always english tons and never metric tons or some other wierd ton...i.e. 1 ton = 2000 lbs?? That's what I've always assumed (and assumed above) but never actually asked. << In America, the industry standard (military or civilian) is that a ships displacement is is always expressed in Long Tons. For example, when I submit a stability test data and calculation book from either a deadweight or inclining survey, I fill in a line on page two stating that all tons used in the calculations are 2240 lbs. In theory one could enter a different number here and get away with it, as long as the calculations are consistent. However, ABS and the Coast Guard are just as likely to send tho whole mess back to you with a note that you need to redo all calculations using the standard 2240 lb. Long Ton. ; ) In Eorope and other countries that have "Standardized" themselves with the Metric system, will express the displacement using metric tons. However when these displacements are listed anywhere, a generally clear note is made to the effect that metric tons are being used. Dave Swindell wrote: >> What tons are used will depend on who's quoting it and for what purpose. Displacement for warships is not my forte, but for merchant ships the tonnage quoted can be confusing and not necessarily reflect the quantity of water actually displaced. Gross Tonnage, Net tonnage, Suez Tonnage, Panama tonnage, they're all different for the same ship, and if you start carrying..... << Yes, this stuff can get very confusing, however the rule is that displacement is displacement is displacemet. And displacement is always the completed weight of the vessel, generally listed as full load unless otherwise specified. The tonnage that Dave mentions is just that, Tonnage. In a list of specs, the tonnage (cargo volume rules) that Dave mentions will never be listed under displacement. They will be listed under Tonnes, or Tonnage. Example: SS Joe-Random Tanker Length, Overall....................565 ft. Length, Between Perp..........535 ft. Beam, molded......................75 ft. Draft, molded.......................31 ft. 8 7/8 in. Disp. tot...............................19183 Lt. <-------displacemet actual weight of loaded vessel Tonnes, Gross, US................12790 <-------measure of cargo Tonnes, Net, US....................7479 <-------measure of cargo If the specs dont say specificaly "displacement", or do not have the Abreviation "Disp." next to the tons listed, than that value is likely to be the cargo related number. Like-wise if you are reading about a ships particulars in literature, if the sentence only says "a vessel of XXXX tonnes", this number more than likely only refers to a measure of cargo. If at any time mentions the word displacement or the abreviation "Disp" show up before or after the word tons, it refers to the overall weight of the vessel. Just to add to the confusion... Best Regards Fritz Koopman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: 1/72 AND 1/192 SCALE NAVAL FIGURES Hi All, Can anyone tell me if there are Naval Figures in the above scales? I have looked at Preiser's website, but they don't seem to have anything. Any help is appreciated. John Hi John, IIRC, Preiser has figures in a wide variety of scales including 1/72 that can be converted in sailors. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: zwood@webtv.net (Zack Wood) Subject: Nagato/Sakawa Does anyone know or have any information as to whether or not the Nagato and the Sakawa had their anti-aircraft armament removed before they were moved to Bikini Atoll for the nuclear tests? or if they had anything else removed before the tests? Thanks for any help Zachary N. Wood -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Paint & Masking Tape Question Felix: First, most common masking tape adhesive is too strong for model work and it also has a less than ideal edge for making true straight lines. If you look at it with a magnifier you will see a very rough edge! I like to use 3M #218 Fine Line Tape, an automotive painting product available from some hobby shops and all auto paint supply stores. This tape is a very flexible tape that forms curves nicely, has a very straight edge, the adhesive is strong enough to do the job, but it will not lift the underlying paint. Also, with any masking tape, never leave it on longer than necessary as the longer it remains the tighter the bond seems to get. When applying the 3M tape, place it on the model as you would any other tape. Then, using a smooth burnishing tool, burnish the tape down to the surface along the entire length. The tape changes color slightly as you burnish it down. I have never had any paint seep under the edge of this tape either. Hope this helps. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Calypso Bill Cardamone asked about a Calypso model suitable for radio control. Billings makes a model of the Calypso intended for R/C in 1:45 scale. It has a plastic hull, wood decking and even has the Zodiac and Helicopter. Can be made into a very nice R/C model. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Robert Spooner" Subject: Flags & Dido's Hi Guys, In response to the guy with flag production problems I draw mine and or import from clip-art using Corel draw and print on to cigarette papers taped onto a sheet of A4. Print first on paper to get location and check sizing and then tape carefully the edges of cigarette paper and print. Hey presto. the ink soaks through paper to give both sides. I've been asked to look at producing a Dido at 1:192 scale for a museum. Does anyone know of availability of any deck fittings or equipment that may prove useful. I will draw etched sheet for many items but need to reduce costs somehow. Thanks Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Submarine Markings I need some help with Submarine markings for modern USN and ex. USSR submarines. I need to know the size of the hull numbers, escape trunk markings, etc. Does anyone have any hard data on this ?!?! John Sheridan Microscale Decals & www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: HMS Defiance >> Many years ago, I picked up a curio in an antique shop. It is a block of Oak about 3" on a side, with a brass plate with the legend: " H.M.S. Defiance 1884-1930". Conway's 1860-1905 lists a "Screw Ship-of-the-Line Defiance, Building [in 1860, Completed 1861], 3745 Tons, 81 guns, Sold 1931" Does anyone know more about this ship? << From Colledge's "Ships of the Royal Navy": "DEFIANCE, Screw 2nd Rate 81, 3,475bm, 5,270 tons, 255x56ft, 1-110pdr, 34-8in, 4-70pdr, 10-40pdr, 32-32pdr. Pembroke Dock 27.3.1861. Torpedo school ship 26.11.1884. Sold 26.6.1931 S.Castle, Millbay, Plymouth." "For the various ships renamed DEFIANCE as torpedo school ships, see ..." So apparently the 1884-1931 was her second incarnation as a school ship. No, don't have any idea if there are models, but as I recently said about other wooden ships, don't hold your breath. :-( Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Tape and Paint In my experience, when tape peels off paint, there is often a problem with the surface underneath. Just had it happen on my ISW Tennessee/California. I ended up stripping everything off with Easy-Off oven cleaner which both removes the old paint and really, really cleans the surface. Reapplied the paint, and it now seems to be holding. For masking I use 3M drafting tape. It looks like regular masking tape, but is much lower tack. 3M also makes vinyl tape in a number of thicknesses, some quite fine. It is also low tack. Finally, don't forget plain old frisket paper for complex masks. After all, it is meant to be masking for airbrushing. A couple of years ago I had an article in FSM on painting the dazzle scheme on the Saratoga (CV-3) which illustrated doing a dazzle by masking. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: IPMS Nationals >> I was wondering if there was going to be an SMML shipmodeling theme at this year's IPMS-USA Nationals << And _I_ was wondering if there was any plan for annunciating SMMLies to each other, e.g. an SMML beanie hat with propellor? (How many blades? :-) OK, how about just a stick-on label that says "SMML", with a name? I'd like to say "hi" to those I see there. Allan Plumb Hi Allan, Watch this space ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Missouri Question Mike, thanks for the response on the turret positioning on the Missouri. Rotating the #2 turret all the way to port shows up in a number of pictures of her. Some at anchor, some underway in very calm seas, so I doubt it had to do with keeping things dry. I still can't imagine why they did it, unless they wanted to keep the top of turret #1 clear of overhead obstruction. And why is it always turned to port? I've never seen it done to starboard. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: The Ship Modeler's Association Today, the 28th of March, I happened across a small pile of pamphlets lying prominently near our work place coffee mess. As it turns out, they were was The Ship Modeler's Association announcement of their Western Ship Model Conference & Exhibition, March 31st, April 1st and April 2nd. The conference, complete with technical seminars (Rob Napier moderator), round table discussions, an evening cocktail reception, vendor booths, speakers (Dave Roberts, Jonathan Tatlow, John Harland, John Fryant, Ray Morton) and tours to the J. Paul Getty Museum, will be held on board the RMS Queen Mary at her berth in Long Beach, California. The exhibits are open 10am till 5pm. Some other particulars: Web address: www.ship-modelers-assn.org e-mail: conf@ship-modelers-assn.org Phone: (310) 2116-7885 Accommodations on board the Queen Mary: (800) 437-2934 There is nothing the flyer concerning entrance fees, but you just know that it can't be free! I took a quick look at their web page and the gallery is very impressive. These people are into the big sailing ships and their work is most impressive. It's on par with the "Fine Art Models" page mentioned in an earlier posting. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "James Johnson" Subject: Re: Paint and masking. Felix, You didn't say if the paint came off the primer or the paint and primer came off the model. If it is the former, then that implies one thing. If it the later, that implies something else. I could, as well as many others, could write volumes about what could be wrong, but until we find out which of these problems you had we can't be specific. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell Subject: water saver flush Kelvin Mok wrote >> I am designing a water saver flush. << Kelvin, along with the thread about DYIi paint chips and re-inventing the wheel...etc, Just get yourself a clean brick and drop it in the tank. Water will fill to the same level and shut off as if full but will only be volume of normal fill less the volume of the brick. No stripped threads, and takes less than a minute --then you can get on with building ships Denis Campbell Avon MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "James Johnson" Subject: Re: Copyrights I,for one, am certainly impressed with the knowledge available on this list. I ask a few dumb questions about copyrights and get several scholarly replies. I have a few more thoughts on the subject I would like to pass on. I, and I'm sure the people on this list, would never use another's work and pass if off as my own, much less profit from it. (not that it matters but my next successful resin clone will be my first). The problem as I see it is in the distribution of information. After 30+ years in the hobby, I have published material in my basement that I forget I have. The great majority of it is not available form the publisher, indeed some of the publishers are out of business. I would have no qualms about sharing this information with fellow modelers. I would not share information that is available on the open market. (When I was part owner of a hobby shop, one customer wanted to borrow a book we had for sale so he could make copies a section of it). As I mentioned in my previous query, there may be a chance that some 1/350 patterns for small parts originated with Tamiya kits. There is also a great similarity between some 1/700 kit parts and certain Skywave items. As Bradford Chaucer points out, even if it could be proven, which would be hard to do, the companies probably wouldn't pursue it because the cost of litigation would exceed any damages. I would add that if they were good businessmen, they would look the other way regardless. The proliferation of the cottage industry can do nothing but inhance the marketplace. Tamiya has (despite the rumors) apparently abandoned us (1/350 anyway), Skywave continues to release new kits into a market that is more receptive to them because of the unauthorized use of their copyrighted parts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Ed Grune Subject: Copyright Ding Ding Ding Ding! Alright everyone go to a neutral corner! We've plowed this ground pretty thoroughly before. I suggest that unless there is a new legal ruling that we should be made aware of, then we should go to the SMML website and search the archives with the "copyright" keyword to see it all. Let's get back to ship discussions and ship modeling. (See my next post) Ed Mansfield, TX Hi Ed, Just one small point here, a lot of SMMLies access SMML via work email & possibly have no web access & can't access the archives. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Ed Grune Subject: FSM Reader's Choice Awards In this month's FSM there is a ballot for the Reader's Choice Awards. Let me suggest that we discuss the merits of these ship kits. Then let us express our opinions on these kits to FSM. Maybe we can sway a future kit release. Academy 1/800 Kitty Hawk - I've not heard anything good about it that makes it the top ship kit of the year. Hasegawa 1/700 Zuiho - I think that this may be the top kit. Lets get Hasegawa back in the ship business! Heller 1/400 DeGaulle - I've not paid attention, are there some flaws in the kit? Minicraft 1/350 Deluxe Titanic - didn't the Titanic win last year? Revell AG 1/400 Titanic - do we need another Titanic? Tamiya 1/700 Shinano - opinions Tamiya 1/700 Ohsumi - interesting subject matter, opinions Other___ your nomination. I'd like to see the cottage industry kit makers represented on this list, but until their advertizing budgets are big enough to draw the attention of the FSM Marketing staff then they won't make it on the list. Ed Hi Ed, Me again ;-). Is FSM accepting email votes. The reason for this is, by the time I get this FSM at my local newsagents, it will possibly be too late to vote. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: "James Johnson" Subject: Resin Ever since I started doing 1/43 resin cars 10-12 years ago, I have wondered about the safety of resin. The kits I used to get back then would off gas for months. My model room had a permanent resin smell. The kits I buy now (ships, airplane detail sets, cars) don't smell as bad as some of the old Starter kits. Some of them still smell when I open the boxes years later (but officer, I was going to build them when I bought them). It may be the mold release or it may be the resin. It's got me thinking, in this age of multiple chemical sensitivity, how safe is this stuff? I know there is always the instruction to wear breathing protection when sanding resin, but is it for the dust, or is there some harmful vapors involved. Has anybody seen a MSDS sheet on resin? MSDS=Material Safety Data Sheet If any of you resin manufactures have any answers please let us know what we are playing with. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Marc Flake Subject: Pearl Harbor Models SMMLers: Found someting interesting on the Pearl Harbor Update site. (http://www.cinemenium.com/pearlharbor/movie.html) There's an article from a Honolulu newspaper describing how the Department of Defense has signed over four mothballed destroyers to be used by the movie company: "Four ships from the Naval Seas System Command's Inactive Fleet at Middle Loch, near the Pearl City peninsula, will be towed to Ford Island to be used as props simulating "battleship row" at the time of the bombing." These will have to be the biggest battleship models ever built! Also, there's conflicting information on the site that indicates they will be using the USS Constellation. Maybe they're going to use both the Constellation and the Lexington. They have a message board "Forum," and I've already recommended that before they start painting any ships, they need to contact Snyder and Short and gave them the Ship Camouflage website address. I even mentioned they might want to keep most of the Texas in Navy Blue (5-N), mainly because of some discussion on this list a few months ago that indicated that Battleship Row was painted in Navy Blue, not Dark Gray. But on the Ship Camouflage site, their listed as being in MS1, Dark Gray. Can't we reach a consesus on this before they start painting their models? Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Maritime Models... GONE!! Hi Guys, I just got the news today that Maritime Models of Greenwich, is no more. The business went under a few weeks ago with some massive debts it seems. Anyhows, can anybody recommend a good "Floatie Boatie" or "Sticks and String" retailer in the U.K. that I can now pass enquiring customers on to... BTW, in response to various requests and pleas, of COURSE I will wear that bikini to SMMLlieCon but, I'll bring that Victorian Bathing Machine along as well! Thanks! Caroline Carter WEM (Flying out to Ca next Monday for some REAL bikini stuff .. but I'm not going to tell you where.... yeeehahhhh!) http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, for a fine range of photoetched brass for 1/600, 1/700 and 1/350 scale kits, and THE finest warship kits and upgrades in the world! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Coontz class, BB-62 Concerning Mr. David Wells Dear Dave: Thanks for your corrections concerning the NJ. I misspelled Renwall because of my speller program. I wasn't trying to pick on Bayonne, NJ in any way. Don't take it wrong. There was no offense meant. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Subject: Mr. "DSTEDDIK" Sir, I would LOVE to correspond with you!! Afraid I have had a "heart attack" because I do NOT know how to reach you!! I do not believe the above title is an email address. Thus, I am sending this to SMML with the prayer that it finds you, you can send me your email address and then we can begin our corresponds!! If I may impose on you, sir, please go to the following website (www.gremlins.com/mia) and you can see three of my ships. Our model club, MiA (Modelers in Action), display models in Hobby Town about every 3 - 4 months. These ships were in the case in November. Currently, I have the WW2 HORNET, WASHINGTON and SAN DIEGO in the case. I do not know when, and if, they will be on the website. I have the KAGA and HIRYU completed and awaiting reference material on the AKAGI and SORYU. What do you think of Loren Perry's GMM vs.Tom's Modelworks photo-etch (PE) sets for these ships!? I am planning on buying Tom's set only because they have all the extra girders under the flight deck. Did you cut the molded supports under the flight deck and rebuild the supports with spruce? Do you drill out all the portholes!? I concur as to the importance of the Battle of Midway Island. With that in mind, do you have any material on the USN cruisers and destroyers!? What is - The Company of Military Historians!? Anxiously awaiting your reply!! Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family. Yours in Christ, Gus -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts The Deadline to pre-register for the SMML convention is April 1st 2000! If you want to attend, please contact us as soon as possible so that we can get a accurate head count. Also, for those who plan on coming to the convention from far away, the special rate on the Hotel expires on April 6th. Hotel arrangements can be found at: http://www.smml.org.uk/help/smml_hotels.html The SMML convention date is May 5th and May 6th onboard the USS Salem (CA-139) Ship Museum. For more information, check out the SMML website at: http://www.smml.org.uk/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: SMMLie convention accommodation I am planning to attend the SMML convention in May but could do without paying for a whole room on my tod. Any other SMMLies (non-snoring please!) wishing to share a room please contact me offlist on rlockie@hfs.co.uk Thanks Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: smml convention Can anyone tell me if the public will be allowed in, and if so can I have the details of same? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: BWN 1/350 S-37 Kits For Sale I have a few of the old BWN 1/350 resin & photo-etch S-37 kits available. They were $35 retail when they were in production. I would like to get $35 for each, including postage in USA. Please reply off list. Rick Heinbaugh mailto:heinbau@gte.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Rob Mackie Subject: Warship Update Over the past few weeks I have updated the Warship (http://warship.simplenet.com) site with the following new items: Reviews and Previews Iron Shipwright 1:350 HMS Sirius Dido class cruiser (Preview) WSW and WEM 1:700 Russian Cruiser Askold side-by-side by Rob Mackie Corsair Armada 1:700 USS Detroit (Omaha class light cruiser) by Jeff Herne Iron Shipwright 1:350 PC-461 Class buildup review by Ed Grune Loose Cannon 1:700 USS Haskell (Victory type Assault Transport) by David Miller Iron Shipwright 1:350 SS Edmund Fitzgerald (Preview) Iron Shipwright 1:350 LCI (Landing Craft Infantry) by Ed Grune Additions to Model Gallery: 1:350 DKM Prinsz Eugen (Iron Shipwright) by Mike Taylor 1:350 LST 458 (Iron Shipwright) by Dave Judy 1:2400 Pearl Harbor Diorama by Fred Heil 1:2400 IJN Fleet Under Attack Diorama by Fred Heil 1:1000 Nautilus Ramming Diorama by Fred Heil 1:700 IJN Carrier Akagi by Fred Heil 1:350 HMS Hood (Iron Shipwright) by Rusty White 1:125 USS Kidd (Fletcher class DD) by Steven Brejnak (Lindberg) 1:350 USS Asheville diorama by Mike Taylor (JAG) 1:700 USS Ticonderoga by Mike Taylor (DML) Rob Mackie Warship Webmaster & Editor http://warship.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: ICM 1/350 KONIG Hi Guys, "Hot-from-the-Press" news in from the Ukraine, today (Wednesday), as follows: The 1/350 KONIG will be shipped from the factory on April 20th, to the U.K. and U.S. distributors. U.K. retail (inc U.K. tax) will be about 50 quid. For overseas, the kit will be less 17.5%. I believe This equates reasonably well with the U.S. retail.. ie. about $63.00. We ARE taking back orders on this item, and have the PE set design work in progress already for this kit. Our second shipment of the AIRFIX 1/600 RMS QUEEN ELIZABETH should be here Thursday, It is priced at 10.20 Pounds (about $16.00). Actually, the pound is currently at about $1.58 to the pound, so it's a great time for overseas customers to make their purchases! Re shipping rates, for books, we are now also able to offer MUCH cheaper bulk mailing terms for parcels over 5kg, anywhere in the world (except the service cannot be insured!). Please enquire for details! So.. please either go down to the WEM order form http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wemorder.htm or E-Mail me direct. I look forward to hearing from you All The Best Caroline Carter (currently wondering if a knee-length swimming cossy might be a more sensible option..) http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, for a fine range of photoetched brass for 1/600, 1/700 and 1/350 scale kits, and THE finest warship kits and upgrades in the world! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume