Subject: SMML VOL 866 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:15:33 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Copyright in US 2: Re: Calypso 3: Re: Displacement 4: Resin dangers 5: Larger scale 6: Sakawa 7: Re: Calypso model builder 8: Re: BISMARCK 9: paint peeling off 10: Re: SMMLie Identification 11: Caroline's CA Bikini Junket 12: Re: crew figures. 13: USS Indianapolis 14: Paint and masking tape 15: Making Sails 16: HMS Dido 17: Paint & Masking Tape - More Info 18: Simpson's Rule 19: Thank you WEM 20: Re: Calypso and Other 1/160 - 1/125 Topics 21: Re: FSM Reader's Choice Awards 22: Re: Tonnage and displacement 23: Re: copyright 24: Re: Ballast 25: Re: Bikini 26: Re: Models with heft 27: Re: Copyright 28: Re: Copyright & FSM Reader's awards 29: Re: Pearl Harbor Models 30: Simpsons rule 31: Tonnage 32: Revell U-47: Any Good? 33: SMMLies in the News 34: Re: Bismarck site & depthcharges 35: The Hood's Picks for Bismarck Sites 36: Re: Sub Markings 37: Re: Submarine Markings 38: Konig References 39: WWII German Ships Q 40: Cage Masts 41: Revell Emden and Dresden 42: Samek Kits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: SMMLie convention accommodation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Commander Series Models/Iron Shipwright update 2: Destroyer Escort Camouflage tables -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Ann Sinkankas" Subject: Re: Copyright in US For copyright information in the US, see the Library of Congress Copyright Office. URL: www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html, which gets you "Copyright Basics," which should check you out on the basics. There is also a FAQ page. To quote from circ1.html: "Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in final form." In other words, the copyright belongs to you when you create the item; the government only registers it for you in return for a fee. While this is obviously helpful if your creation is in some way stolen or infringed, the government is not actually granting you a copyright, which they don't have the constitutional authority to do. Likewise they cannot copyright their own work, despite regular claims to the contrary by one government official or another. I saw one of these claims only a few days ago regarding plans and photographs from some Navy agency. If US government employees took the photographs, it is unlikely thay could sustain a suit for infringement in court. I suppose (but do not know) that if items were donated to the government by legitimate private copyright owners, the case might be different. What obtains in Australia and the UK will have to be researched by someone else. Regards, GMS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "James Johnson" Subject: Re: Calypso According to "The Collectors Value Guide For Scale Model Plastic Kits" by John Burns, the Revell Calypso is 1/125 scale. According to the guide it is valued at $20 to 30. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "James Johnson" Subject: Re: Displacement I find this thread very interesting. As we have seen, the matter of displacement is a complicated subject. There is apparently a lot more minutiae involved than just figuring out how much water a ship displaces. Can you imagine what went on when the displacement of warships was limited by international treaties. First you had the business of negotiating the best terms for one's own country and the worst terms for your potential enemy. Once that is done and everyone signs on, then to design and build to these ships while trying to find every legal and/or illegal but unprovable loophole in the treaty would fill a large volume. Friedman covers some of the design considerations in his series of books. Are there any good books about this subject? It has to be currently available in the market. I don't want anybody to copy a copyrighted item. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Michael John Zwierko Subject: Resin dangers James (and others), The danger with resin is the resin itself. When sanding, the airborne particles can be inhaled and prolonged exposure can cause the same internal damage as inhalation of solvent/chemical fumes. When sanding resin, try to use a wet method (to eliminate most of the airborne dust), wear eye protection (perhaps a respirator as well), work in a well-ventilated area, and be sure to wash your hands thoroughly after handling resin and its associated sanding residue. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Gene Larson Subject: Larger scale There are now a lot of kits of ships in many classes and from many countries in 1/700 and 1/350. Are there any plans for producing the same quality and relative detail in a larger scale, such as 1/16"=1' (1/192) or 1/8"=1' (1/96)? The model size for a destroyer or even a cruiser would not be too unreasonable, and the detailing possibilities would be fantastic. Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, charitable, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Sakawa Hi Zach Sakawa had all her armament removed before the tests. There are some nice photos in Lacroix and Wells, both of the removal process and the ship just before she set out for Bikini. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: QuanMT@gvl.esys.com Subject: Re: Calypso model builder From Monday's SMML, Rusty White noted: >> Some years back a fellow (Derek Brown I believe) who belonged IPMS Ft. Worth (I think that's the name) built an absolutely stunning model of the Calypso from the old Revell monstrosity. To this day I feel it was one the finest ship models I've ever seen considering the abysmal mess he began with. It even had an aquarium under the helopad with fish in it! A stunning model! << For the record, the builder of that magnificent model was Dr. Kendall Brown of IPMS-North Central Texas. The model built in the early nineties indeed featured meticulous attention to detail. Among other detail touches besides the fish in the main deck aquarium, were the sun glasses on the seat of the Hughes 300 helicopter. The planking for the main deck was painstakingly constructed from individual thin strips of basswood for a very realistic scale effect. Yes Rusty, I agree it was a stunning model! Mike Quan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: BISMARCK >> 1) is there a Bismarck website similar to the Hood's? << Try this: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4273/ John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Andy Vu" Subject: paint peeling off Dear modelers: I worked on my Musashi on and off for eight months and just completed it last week end. I used Testors Dull Coat spray can (#1260) on it for the last time. The next morning, the model looked OK but for the main gun turrets. The paint was peeled from the top of the turrets like shriveled up paper. The paint was fine everywhere else. Can someone please explain to me why the paint has peeled off the turrets? Some more data as follows: 1. Plastic was cleaned with a solution of dishwasher detergent for one night. 2. Turrets & ship were painted grey with Tamiya acrycilic paint. 3. Turrets & ship were dull coated with Gunze Sangio 4. Then washed with a solution of black (artist oil Winsor & Newton) 5. A week later, entire ship was sprayed with Testors Dull Coat 1260. Ship painting was OK. 6. Turrets & ship were dry-brushed later with Testors 7. Entire ship was sprayed again with Testors Dull Coat 1260. Ship painting was OK. 8. Much later, about a month, Turrets & ship were rusted with Burnt Sienna (Winsor @ Newton artist oil). Ship painting still OK. 9. A week later, entire ship was sprayed with Testors Dull Coat 1260 in the evening. Next morning, ship painting was still OK, but the paint was peeled off the top of the turrets. Disaster! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: SMMLie Identification >> And _I_ was wondering if there was any plan for annunciating SMMLies to each other, e.g. an SMML beanie hat with propellor? (How many blades? :-) << How many blades??? That, sir, is classified information. If we tell you, we'll have to kill you.... However, you'll find me with Steve Wiper in the vendor's room...I'll be in uniform, though not sure at this time if it will be Dress Blues or Dress Whites... John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com Ok, SMMLies, we'll need pictures of John in his Dress Uniform for the SMML site, to go with the one on WEM's site ;-þ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Mike_C Subject: Caroline's CA Bikini Junket Hi Caroline, If you're coming to California to put in some beach time, you might try Black's Beach, just north of San Diego. It's unofficially "clothing optional" (nude) for that all-over, no tan lines tan. Dave is going to have to give some hard thought to how he's going to apply the lotion, though. I hope you enjoy your trip. Mike Czibovic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: crew figures. >> Can anyone tell me if there are Naval Figures in the above scales? I have looked at Preiser's website, but they don't seem to have anything. Any help is appreciated. << John, The short answer is "NO". However, there are lots of 1/72 scale figures out there for model aircraft use and they can be converted to sailors. Preiser does have two sets in 1:200 scale which is about as close as you will get to 1:192. They look good on a model. #80909 are workmen and can almost be used as it for sailors, maybe a bit of paint for hats (one set I bought was painted with dark blue clothing and the other was white). #80910 are businessmen and their clothing required a bit of trimming to look right. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "graham" Subject: USS Indianapolis Hi to the Great Collective :) I was wondering if anyone can help? which is the best photo-etch to get for the Indianapolis, Tom's or GMM, I am just starting Matchbox's USS Indianapolis 1/700, also any Humbrol matches for her Measure 32/7D camo paint codes are: 5-L, 5-O, 20-B and BK black. Thanks in advance graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "graham" Subject: Paint and masking tape Hi Felix, One of I am sure lots of answers to your question, I use Tamyia masking tape as it is low tack (not so stickey) I use a 1200 grit wet and dry paper on the model then prime it, another light rubbing with the wet and dry then paint the base colour, leave to dry 24hours then mask away leaving 24 hours between diff colours. I hope this helps some what. good modeling graham@the cruiser sig ipmsuk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Chas Leo Subject: Making Sails I recently discovered a roll of drafting cloth (tracing linen) that I saved from the trash years ago, thinking that I could use it for making sails at some later date. The material is very fine linen, heavily starched. It can be washed (mild shrinkage), and still retains enough starch after one washing that it can be formed to retain its shape after it dries. Any suggestions on how this can be sewed to make the sides of the sail and reefing lines, etc., added? Although I'm okay with sewing, I am somewhat dubious about being able to make seams that are 2-4" wide in scale. I'm looking at using these for a model of a late 18th century ship in 1/96 scale. Book titles that explain how sails were made back then would be appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: HMS Dido I have noticed over the last few months, references to the making of the cruiser DIDO as in the 1942/43 time frame. This interests me as I am unaware of any references that show the fit of this vessel in the mentioned time frame. Therefore any models built must surely be the result of substantial guesswork. IE; you cannot build an accurate model! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Paint & Masking Tape - More Info James (& the rest of the SMML) To clarify, just the paint came up, not the primer. Based on replies off and on line, I will switch to drafting tape and try some frisket paper to see what works the best. Just to be safe, I will give the model a coat of clear to help it stay put. I was using masking tape, but this is the first time paint has ever lifted for me and I have mixed & matched enamels and acrylics before (MM primer under Tamiya acrylics). I will appreciate further suggestions and thanks to everyone who replies so far. Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Simpson's Rule From: "Steven P. Allen" >> As someone whose last calc class was in Reagan's first term, I would appreciate it if could you please post Simpson's rule. << Steve, Have a look at: http://www.math.wpi.edu/Course_Materials/MA1022B96/lab2/node5.html for more information about this than you probably want to know. Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: Thank you WEM Just a public note to thank Caroline at White Ensign Models. A few days ago I asked on the Warship site if anyone had the Profile Morskie on the California. Caroline picked that up and wrote me directly that she had it. I ordered it from her and it's already on its way. Not only did she go out of her way to connect up with potential customers, but she has the service to back it up! That's my kind of organization. If only I didn't live across the pond and could visit them personally. Oh well, count your blessings our British cousins, and thanks Caroline and WEM! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: Calypso and Other 1/160 - 1/125 Topics In early '80s the writer dabbled in N-Scale (yes, it's "scale;" "gauge" refers to real world distance between rails, like standard or narrow gauge) model railroading. N-Scale is nominally 1/160. When planning a layout, discovered that two readily available plastic ship kits were also 1/160: (1) The Calypso in question, and (2) Lindberg's Bobtail Cruiser (USS Caronnade IFS1) Speaking of Lindberg, last evening was making final adjustments on my 1/125 USS Johnston DD557 (Blue Devil Destroyer) for shakedown cruise, and that darn gearbox self-destructed. Argh!!! "Gee, it worked great two days ago." Oh well, yet another confirmation of Jeff Herne's and others' negative comments on this kit. If you start one, be prepared for big frustrations and small victories. Would this modeler do it again? Of course, small victories are worth it and static display works just fine. Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: James Corley Subject: Re: FSM Reader's Choice Awards >> In this month's FSM there is a ballot for the Reader's Choice Awards. [snip] I'd like to see the cottage industry kit makers represented on this list, but until their advertizing budgets are big enough to draw the attention of the FSM Marketing staff then they won't make it on the list. << Ed, Why don't we get together and rig the balloting. There may be a chance to force FSM to recognize a resin kit if everybody were to write in the same ship. Doesn't even have to be a good kit if we are willing to do this as a "joke", though I would reserve that honor for an airplane kit, myself. As for the resin kits, the two I would have to seriously consider (FROM 1999!!) would be the ISW ALASKA and the CS SALEM, both in 1/350. I would nominate my own USS NAUTILUS, but as good as it is, it doesn't compare to either of these. Was there any other superb kit issues last year that needs to be discussed? As you can tell, I am partial to crusiers but I am open to other possibilities. JZ Hi James, Or we could just have our own SMML Readers Choice award for 1999 & then post the results on the SMML site & advise the Mfrs, model mags etc of the result. What does everyone think? Shane - who like nothing more than adding more work to himself or Mike ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Tonnage and displacement To further clarify (or confuse) this murky issue most warship tonnages are quoted in standard displacement. Standard displacement as defined in the 1922 Washington Treaty:-"The standard displacement of a ship is the displacement of the ship complete, fully manned, engined, and equipped ready for sea, including all armament and ammunition, equipment , outfit, provisions and fresh water for crew, miscellaneous stores and implements of every description that are intended to be carried in war, but without fuel or reserve feed water on board" (Washington Naval Treaty Chapter 2, Part 4). Full load incorporates the missing elements. The reason for the missing elements was to "level the playing field" as ships with easy access to bases and these supplies, such as the Italian Navy, would be at an advantage over ships that would have to use part of their tonnage allocation to carry these items over long distances. For merchant ships tonnage usually quoted is a bit of a misnomer because it refers to cubic capacity and not the weight of the ship, which, of course, = displacement. Its origin is the word "tun" or barrel and the number which could be stowed on ships back in the middle ages. Nowadays 1 gross ton = 100 c ft and is a measure of the total cubic capacity of the ship. Net tonnage is gross tonnage minus non-earning space such as crews' quarters, engine and boiler rooms etc. These do not vary whereas displacement can depending whether the ship is floating in salt water or fresh. Lloyd's Register uses the long ton of 2,240 lbs and this is usually taken unless an alternative is indicated. These measurements are important as on them harbor and canal dues are based. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: copyright From: Gene Larson >> From the Copyright Law booklet I found (section 303.): "The duration of a copyright in the first term on Jan 1, 1978 shall endurefor 28 years from the date it was originally secured." This then is also subject to renewal for another 47 years. So to be legala check must be made with the copyright holder to determine if the item is still under copyright. << Gene, Find yourself a newer booklet :-) that was the old act. It is now 50 yrs plus the life of the author for works owned by a natural person, and the shorter of 100 yrs from creation or 75 yrs from publication, for works of anonymous, or corporate authorship Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Ballast From: "James Johnson" >> I worked at an oil refinery until I retired last year. We had an item in the warehouse called lead wool. It was used to caulk seams in a few old crevice and can be glued in place or not. If you have any access to an industrial supply house, this stuff is extremely handy, if you can find it. You can also use it for piping on models by straightening it out and bending to shape. Just be aware that lead is poisonous and is cumulative << Electrical solder available in several diameters works as well and AFIK is less hazardous to handle. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Bikini >> Hi Brad, I'm sure she will, if only to see you modelling it ;-þ Shane << That would surely destroy the very concept of the bikini for all time!!! :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Models with heft >> For those of us who also paint military miniatures, there has long been a feeling in that segment of the hobby that a piece should have some "heft" when one picks it up to look at. << I have a couple of 30 year old Tank models that were done in lead (Britannia) and while you can't tell that they are metal by looking as they are painted, They always "looked" more realistic to me :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Copyright >> A copyright-able object is copyrighted at the moment of its creation. For example, the moment President Lincoln sribbled the Gettysburg Address on the envelope, it was "Copyright 1863 Abe Lincoln." (Granted the laws may have been different then.) << They were, very at that time, failure to register prior to release was fatal to the author's rights. >> If Abe decided to sell copies of his address ("...on a GENUINE envelope! Signed by the President!"), each copy would have to carry the "Copyright 1863 Abe Lincoln" legend in order to maintain his copyright. Distributing copies without the legend could be construed as putting the address into the public domain. << Yes, the laws regarding the need to register and label were very strict back then. Not so today as registration is no longer needed to preserve one's rights. Registration is still beneficial though. >> Registering the copyright with the US Government is not necessary to copyright an object, but does make legal action in defense of the copyright easier (and may be necessary for legal action, I forget). << It is. Registration is a mandatory prerequisite to an infringement action in federal Court which has exclusive jurisdiction over copyright actions. >> I have held the opinion for some time, that an individual can do pretty much anything with copyrighted material he owns, as long as it is for his own private use. I don't know where I got this belief, but the VCR suit (MGM v. SONY?) of the '80's was probably a great influence. The basic premise of the decision was that it was alright to tape TV programs for later, personal use. << That case was a particular one, and was premised on the need of many viewers to be able to time shift programs to watch them at a particular time. One should be careful about reading it too broadly as applying to other types of materials. Probably the best rational for copying your own publications is for archival purposes or to make working copies to preserve the original. >> I believe the publishing of plans in books, for example, implies that I, as purchaser of the book, can use those plans, including Xeroxing at different scales, for my own purposes. << That's dicey, the better interpretation is the need to make a working copy to preserve the original :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Ed Grune Subject: Re: Copyright & FSM Reader's awards >> Just one small point here, a lot of SMMLies access SMML via work email & possibly have no web access & can't access the archives. << Point taken. I see from todays posts that the subject has about run its course. Lets wrap it up. >> Is FSM accepting email votes. The reason for this is, by the time I get this FSM at my local newsagents, it will possibly be too late to vote. << No, I've checked the fine print on the ballot. "cannot accept hand-written ballots. photocopied ballots, faxed ballots, or electronic submissions; only ballots that were originally bound into copies of the May 2000 FSM are valid." Lets still discuss the merits of these kits and let the voice of the few speak for the masses. Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Models >> They have a message board "Forum," and I've already recommended that before they start painting any ships, they need to contact Snyder and Short and gave them the Ship Camouflage website address. I even mentioned they might want to keep most of the Texas in Navy Blue (5-N), mainly because of some discussion on this list a few months ago that indicated that Battleship Row was painted in Navy Blue, not Dark Gray. But on the Ship Camouflage site, their listed as being in MS1, Dark Gray. << That's because there is no official designation for the Blue-painted battleships. True, *some* of them substituted Navy Blue 5-N for Dark Gray 5-D but the scheme but the official scheme would still be MS 1 or MS 5. John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Dave Swindell Subject: Simpsons rule >> As someone whose last calc class was in Reagan's first term, I would appreciate it if could you please post Simpson's rule. << For area, h/3x(Y0 + 4Y1 + 2Y2 + 4Y3 + 2Y4 + 4Y5 + Y6) where h is the distance between ordinates and y is the height to the curve at the ordinate. There must be an odd number of ordinates. 1,4,2,4,2,4,1 are Simpsons multipliers For volume, calculate the areas as above (easier to calculate 1/2 cross sections then x2) Apply simpsons multipliers as above, h is distance between CSA's Y is CSA at each station. For displacement multiply Volume by density of fluid being displaced (i.e. 1.025 for seawater) Dave Swindell Who's just finished deciphering 20 year old Nav Arc notes! If you think I'm going to explain integration and Simpson's rule, forget it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Dave Swindell Subject: Tonnage >> Yes, this stuff can get very confusing, however the rule is that displacement is displacement is displacemet. << What I was trying to get across, probably not very well, was that whilst displacement is measured in ton(nes), a quoted tonnage is not necessarily the displacement of said vessel >> And displacement is always the completed weight of the vessel, generally listed as full load unless otherwise specified. << Ah, but is that full load sea water, fresh water, Winter North Atlantic, Tropics, or what? more confusion eh? ;-) >> The tonnage that Dave mentions is just that, Tonnage. In a list of specs, the tonnage (cargo volume rules) that Dave mentions will never be listed under displacement. They will be listed under Tonnes, or Tonnage. Example: << Very rarely is the displacement quoted alongside the Gross and Net Tonnage, to find the displacement for our ships, I'd have to get stability and draft drawings out or plumb the depths of the loading program. All documentation is generally marked with Gross and Net tonnage, other tonnage's are marked where required e.g. Suez tonnage on documents pertinent to Suez Transit. >> Disp. tot...............................19183 Lt. <-------displacemet actual weight of loaded vessel Tonnes, Gross, US................12790 <-------measure of cargo Tonnes, Net, US....................7479 <-------measure of cargo << Gross tonnage is not a measure of cargo, although this is included in the calculation. Both Gross and Net tons are volumetric and based on 1 ton = 100 cubic feet. Gross tonnage is based on the volume of all enclosed spaces. Net tonnage is based on the volume of all revenue earning (cargo, passengers being known as self loading cargo) spaces. The calculated volumes have to go through various formulae to arrive at the tonnage. As Fritz says, unless specifically quoted as displacement, a tonnage generally has little to do with the weight of the vessel. Dave Swindell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Revell U-47: Any Good? Based on Alan Simon's item from a few days ago, I picked up the Revell U-47 in 1/125th scale, mainly to get the crew figures. 15 of them in different poses; not bad, either. Then I got to looking at the sub itself and wonder how good/bad it actually is. Obviously the cutaway interior is only slightly more accurate than one of those old Renwal Polaris boats, but it may have some potential. Will mean several viewings of "Das Boot" and another visit to see U-505. Last time in Chicago we stood around for about 45 minutes to get the tour, which was worth the wait. I got a lot of exterior photos but don't recall if my friend shot any film inside of it. Of course, U-505 isn't a Type VII but it ought to be close enough in a lot of details for a small model. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Ed Grune Subject: SMMLies in the News Our very own Marc Flake has been very busy getting the word out about the damage done to Tarrant County and the city of FtWorth by last night's tornados. Marc is the Public Information Officer for Tarrant County and I've heard him being interviewed on the radio. Good job Marc. Ed Mansfield, TX Nothing near like what happened to Rusty and Oklahoma City last year. Millions of dollars of damage, but fortunately there were only four fatalities. The storm passed about 5 miles north here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Bismarck site & depthcharges >> Two questions: 1) is there a Bismarck website similar to the Hood's? 2) anyone konw where I can find drawings, plans, etc. of German depth charges of the WWII era - need to scratchbuild some in 1:35. << I can't help with the German depth charges, but the following is a good site on the Bismarck: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4273/bismarcki.html And if you follow the links on the above site, you will find another good one on the Bismarck. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Frank Allen Subject: The Hood's Picks for Bismarck Sites Hi Pete Yes, there is a website for Bismarck which is the equivalent of the Hood site. (The only difference is that the Hood site is actually affiliated with the ship's crew, whereas I do not believe the Bismarck site is.) Nevertheless, it is an excellent source. It is called "Battleship Bismarck" and is located at: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4273/ There are other Bismarck-specific and Bismarck-related sites as well (though the one listed above is the largest/most comprehensive). Please check out the Hood site's "Links and Web Rings" page to see a listing of them. I hope that helps you Frank Allen Battle Cruiser Hood (http://www.hmshood.com) HMS Hood Association -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Sub Markings >> I need some help with Submarine markings for modern USN and ex. USSR submarines. I need to know the size of the hull numbers, escape trunk markings, etc. Does anyone have any hard data on this ?!?! << John- Don't know the figures on these right off hand, but post the question over on the SubCommittee website Main Message Board. We have lots of R/C modelers and ex-submariners who should be able to give you an answer. We're at: http://www.wolfsong.com/SubCommittee/ What scale do you intend to produce these for? Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Re: Submarine Markings John Sheridan wrote: >> I need some help with Submarine markings for modern USN and ex. USSR submarines. I need to know the size of the hull numbers, escape trunk markings, etc. Does anyone have any hard data on this ?!?! << I am an USN active duty sailor and have seen subs at the pier numerous times, and I know that submarine models provide all sorts of markings for submarines, but the fact is aside from draft marks, USN subs do not use any other markings. No hull no.s, hatch markings, etc. They are painted black, and their various retracable masts are grey mottled with black. I know this can make for a plain model, and I've asked my "bubble-head" friends numerous times about markings, but they simply are not used. A ship right from the construction yards may have the hull no. and escape trunk markings but the crew quickly paints over them. Matt Prager, CPO USN Ingleside, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: "jmaze" Subject: Konig References Hi SMMLies, Can anyone direct me to some Konig references? Online or the old-fashioned kind (books). ;-> Does anyone have anything they can scan and send me? JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39) From: "jmaze" Subject: WWII German Ships Q Hi SMMLies, Are the domed shaped structures on German WWII ships the flak control centers? I've been wondering ever since I got my Revell Graf Zeppelin what these were; was looking at BB's of WWII the other night at Border's and one the captions under a pic that showed one of these in the background read "3.8cm gun with flak control center visible behind" (paraphrased). Didn't see anything else that looked like it could meet this description, except the dome or "ball on a stick" structure. What are these structures? JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40) From: "jmaze" Subject: Cage Masts Hi SMMLies, Someone mention IIRC an article in FSM that explained how to build cage masts. Can anyone tell me what issue that was? JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 41) From: "jmaze" Subject: Revell Emden and Dresden Hi SMMLies, Are these two ships of the same class, just with different superstructures? Can anyone direct me to references on these two? Or scan me some info? Shane, I've been saving up Q's for a rainy day! ;-> JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 42) From: "jmaze" Subject: Samek Kits Hi SMMLies, What are these kits like? I found a site the other day with color drawings of many of their kits - thought I bookmarked it, but now I can't find it. Anybody have any idea where it is? I'm interested in the Novogorod (I think that's right - a round ship); anyone have this one? JohnM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts The Deadline to pre-register for the SMML convention is April 1st 2000! If you want to attend, please contact us as soon as possible so that we can get a accurate head count. Also, for those who plan on coming to the convention from far away, the special rate on the Hotel expires on April 6th. Hotel arrangements can be found at: http://www.smml.org.uk/help/smml_hotels.html The SMML convention date is May 5th and May 6th onboard the USS Salem (CA-139) Ship Museum. For more information, check out the SMML website at: http://www.smml.org.uk/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: SMMLie convention accommodation Hi Robert, >> I am planning to attend the SMML convention in May << Cool.. see you there!! >> but could do without paying for a whole room on my tod. Any other SMMLies (non-snoring please!) wishing to share a room << Oh well.. that counts me out for a start!! ATB, Caroline Carter WEM http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Commander Series Models/Iron Shipwright update Hi Everyone, We've just updated the website with some new stuff. Go take a look. http://www.commanderseries.com/ Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Destroyer Escort Camouflage tables Hi folks, I have uploaded the tables for USN DE's camouflage patterns to the shipcamouflage website. I will be adding the PFs, PCs, and others to the site sometime next week. 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