Subject: SMML VOL 873 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:01:12 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Stealth "bricks" on USN ships 2: Request for info, French cruiser Kleber 3: Re: Need Book Review 4: Hornet and Jag 5: Re: Yanks 6: Book Review -The Grand Fleet by D. K. Brown 7: USS Pittsburg/ Baltimore Cl CA 8: Re: HMS Inflexible or Indomitable 9: Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 10: AMC's 11: More Zhengdefu Stuff 12: Vac-U-Former Molds and Plastic 13: Gearbox Problems, 1/125 Lindberg Blue Devil DD 14: I-401: Doyusha = Japnese Lindberg 15: OT F-111 Site 16: Re: SMS Dresden 17: Re: April Fool's & Cutting Photoetch - Thanks 18: Re: USN F-111s trials 19: Re: USN mustangs and other such might have beens 20: WSW SMS Derfflinger 21: Beatties 22: F-111B Trials 23: Re: Scratchbuilding 24: Re: Shangri La and P-51Ds 25: Re: Hornet and JAG 26: RN Wood Gun Mountings 27: Re: USN mustangs and other such might have beens 28: More on Yamato markings 29: Re: USN mustangs and other such might have beens 30: London 31: Navy F-111 32: Shangri-La notes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: APMA meeting 2: Links wanted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Busby, Russell ITCM(SW)" Subject: Stealth "bricks" on USN ships The soft sponge like material is called Radar Absorbant Material (RAM) and is does just what the name implies. The RAM is usually applied to parts of the superstructure and other places that present right angles. It helps to reduce the RADAR return. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Linda & David Orzel" Subject: Request for info, French cruiser Kleber I hope that some SMMLers can help me with some information. I am scratch building the French WWI cruiser Kleber, 1:1250. I have about a dozen photos, taken at different times and the plan from the Warships1 site, Conways and Janes. Obviously, the Jane's is not to scale and a general reference only. The Conway does not have a deck plan but is very consistent with the Warships1 side plan, however, the deck plan does not seem to correspond well to the photos that I have, and does not give position of various structures. Could be paralax from the angle of the photos. Does any one have some detail photos of the deck and deck structures, or an authentic set of plans for this ship or one of her sisters? References to books, photos, or plans would be appreciated as I would like to be accurate. I have 3 quarter view photos and the rest are mostly beam on. Thanks in advance. David Orzel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Kevin Large Subject: Re: Need Book Review I have "The Grand Fleet" Warship Design and Development 1906 - 1922 by D. K. Brown. This is a follow on from "Warrior to Dreadnought" Warship Development 1860-1905, by the same author. The author is a Naval Architect by profession and concentrates on this area covering the how and why of ship design, covering subjects such as armament, armour and machinery, with excellent reference to primary sources and includes detailed analysis of the ships covered. There is also a lot of excellent photos. Parts are: Pre-War Developments, Pre War Designs, Wartime Experience and Design, and a good range of Appendices. The book doesn't cover operational histories, actions etc except in so far as they affected design, but if the design of ships is your thing this is an excellent and readable book, although not cheap. Kevin Large -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: cfrieden@calpoly.edu Subject: Hornet and Jag >> Watched a rerun of JAG on the USA cable network tonight. Most of the show was supposed to have taken place on the Hornet after she was tied up at Alameda and before she became a museum. The exterior shots showed a ship suffering from more than it's fair share of abuse. I assume that the film crew did nothing to change the appearance of the ship (for better or for worse). If this is the case, the museum folks have earned a major BZ for cleaning her up and making her look a lot like a fighting ship. Thanks folks for all your work keeping her in shape. << Mark, They sure cleaned her up, didn't they! I have heard stories from some of the volunteers that when they started cleaning up, layers of paint were hanging from the overhead like bed sheets! From what I understand it takes a lot of work to get a compartment to a state where it is safe to visit, and then they have to make it look nice. You would not know it to see much of the ship today. It looks nicer and nicer every time I visit, too. Even better, they have been able to do this while emphasizing history and the ship herself. Well done Hornet Museum! Chris Friedenbach -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Al Superczynski Subject: Re: Yanks Chuck wrote: >> How do you give someone a "rasberry" online? << You mean like this? :-þ ;-p Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: Book Review -The Grand Fleet by D. K. Brown Dear Chris and George, Thank you for responding to my request. It has helped immensely in making up my mind and emptying my savings account...... Regards Pavel Regina -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Dave Judy Subject: USS Pittsburg/ Baltimore Cl CA Just a note to comment on the 1/350 Baltimore class cruiser from Iron Shipwright, After some amateur extortion, and a mention of a "friend" named Guido, I recieved the kit today in the mail and was very pleased with what I saw! This is a large cruiser model at about 22 1/2" long one piece hull. As for casting, I found only four pits in the whole casting in which there is the major 01 level and stacks cast with the hull. The bottom has the usual casting seam to remove and a few pits there, but hey, its the bottom, no problem! I plan to examine the rest of the kit tonite, but from what I see so far, this is a very well done kit! The resin is such a beautiful shade of blue, my wife won't let me paint it......she says it goes nicely with the drapes!! Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "graham" Subject: Re: HMS Inflexible or Indomitable Yes you are both right the Infelxible carried a much simpler scheem the second funnel is in a very light grey/white? and mid grey split vertically. Try to see if you can get hold of "Warship Monographs" Monograph one is about the Invincible class, includes some nice plans and line drawings plus the camo for Indomitable. I scratched built Invinible about 5 years ago and it turned out fine (fits in nicley with Queen Mary,Canada and Erin. Now if I can only work out how to do the barrbetts behind the gun shields on Tiger I will be well away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "graham" Subject: Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 Try these sites for russian ships http://www.neva.ru/EXPO96/book/book-cont.html http://www.corbina.ru/~greenwar/flot/fotos.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: AMC's Hi Bruce AMC's armament varied between ships but generally was 6-8 old 6 inch, 2 3 inch AA and some light AA and machine guns. Fire control was rudimentary and the guns were singly mounted. An exception was Corfu which had 9 6 inch, two twin 4 inch AA, 2 2 pdr singles and nineteen single 20mm. She also carried an aricraft and catapult, air and surface warning radar and an HA DCT fitted with gunnery control radar. You really need to decide which AMC you're interested in and then search out the details of that particular ship. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: More Zhengdefu Stuff Had an opportunity to inspect more of the new ZHENGDEFU kits from China --specifically, the USS Ingersoll, USS Spruance, and Russian Sovermenny destroyers. These ships, like previous releases in this 30cm box scale, appear to be based on Skywave kits but blown up to a slightly larger scale, around 1/550. The box art for the Ingersoll shows it with the old ASROC launcher and Tomahawk ABLs installed on either side; the Spruance has the later VLS launchers forward and aft. Both kits, however, feature identical sprues and some Ticonderoga class parts as well. The Sovremenny kit has three sprues -- a black one with display stand and motor parts, a gray one with the majn components, and another gray one with generic Soviet naval weapons, many of which are not required for the Sovremenny. No decals are provided with any of these kits. All come with optional parts for installing a motor, with a single oversized screw and flattish bottoms, so they may be better off being waterlined with a hot knife. There's a hole in the fantail deck for the motor switch that will have to be covered up if building a static model. Each of the DDs sells for under US$10. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Peter K. H. Mispelkamp" Subject: Vac-U-Former Molds and Plastic I have just obtained the 1990's version of the Mattel Vac-u-former machine - not to be confused with the vintage and very pricy 1960's collector's version and would like to know if anyone has had any experienced in creating scratch molds for this gizmo. I am planning to make 1/400 scale British 6" triples, Japanese 8" twins, and host of smaller parts to complete my various conversion projects. Any help or suggestions re. making the molds or what plastic to use will be most welcome. Thanks and Happy Modeling. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Alan Simon Subject: Gearbox Problems, 1/125 Lindberg Blue Devil DD Can anyone offer suggestions for repair (short of machining brass gears) or replacement of gearbox which operates rudder and main armament animation? After test running, several plastic gears began to wobble and now bind after 1-2 seconds running. Inclined to strip unit down to main idler (on motor shaft) and two gears, each driving propshaft. Can live without armament animation; however, would like to have rudder motion without R/C. Say right rudder, then left rudder for zig-zag or perhaps figure eight. Thanks in advance. Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Duane Fowler Subject: I-401: Doyusha = Japnese Lindberg Hello John, Any kit that advertises "Automatic diving and surfacing" isn't really meant for display. This kit is a toy, not a model. Doyusha is basically the Japanese version of Lindberg and many of their kits have no relation to the historical subjects. I could go into the problems with it but is easier and shorter to list what they got right: it's supposed to be a submarine. Their other large scale kits like the Yamato, Musashi, and Shinano are even worse and cost a lot more. Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: OT F-111 Site There is a site "Down Under", IIRC dedicated to the F-111. At one time they had video of a F-111B cat shot and trap. Sorry, lost the link when I changed jobs, but it's something like F111net. HTH Mark Doremus Eden Prairie, MN actually have photos of me working on RAAF RF-111C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: SMS Dresden >> Can anyone point me in the direction of reference material for the German WWI Light Cruiser Dresden or her sisters? TIA << Go to the Christian Schmidt web page, linked thru Warship web page, and order their plans catalog. In it you will find the list for the SMS Dresden drawings by Wischmeyer, they are the only correct ones. All others are very wrong! If you have trouble geting there, contact me. Steve - www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: April Fool's & Cutting Photoetch - Thanks Hi SMML, Thanks to everyone who responded, both on-list and off-list, on the subject of ways to cut photoetch parts off the fret. Great ideas! Now I've got to try them out.... Thanks to those who provided some very interesting information about April Fool's Day around the world. This is a great list! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "GARY SCHURR" Subject: Re: USN F-111s trials They did a lot more than trial the "Earth Pig" on board carriers. Thanks to SecDef McNamara and his common "weapon system" programs, the F-111 was supposed to be the Navy's newest (c.1965) fleet defense interceptor. Armed with Phoenix missles and built by Navy fighter builder extradanair, Grumman, these "Pigs" were supposed to reach out and touch Soviet bombers 100 miles away. Thankfully, saner heads prevailed, the F-111B was scrapped (after 3 of 7 a/c crashed), and Grumman was given the go ahead to develop and build the VFX, now known as the F-14 Tomacat. Total cost for the Navy "Pig" program was $238 million (1964) dollars. Oh, the carrier was the Coral Sea. Gary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "GARY SCHURR" Subject: Re: USN mustangs and other such might have beens >> The p-51(and p-39) come to mind(and p-39) come to mind While the P-51 would be interesting to see in sea blue camo, imagine what the very real swept wing P-39 looked like, I think it was the F2L Airacuda along with the (!) Blackburn Buccaneer. I have this picture of a model in my mind of an "A-6 Buccaneer" in gray over white camo with the Black Panther emblem of VA-65 on the tail. Maybe someday... In reality, I doubt that Grumman's substantial Congressional lobby would have allowed British A/C to supplant US designs aboard the new generation of supercarrier in the late 50's... << What about the B-57 Canberra or AV-8 Harrier, not to mention the T-45 Hawk or the C-7 Caribou, don't forget the F9F Panther had a British engine. Gary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Bill Code" Subject: WSW SMS Derfflinger hello List, I just purchased WSW 1/700 scale SMS Derfflinger ..what a wonderful little casting it is..They did a wonderful job on the hull and the white metal castings are nice too..A question though..they advertise this as the ship looked in 1916 ..Im asuming they mean battle of Jutland..looking at Bryers Battleships and Battlecruisers he shows her with a tripod mast forward and the casemates below the bridge for 8cm quick firing guns blanked off and portholes in there place as In Lutzow and later Hindenburg...The kit shows her as Bryer says she looked in 1913 when placed in commision with two pole masts and the casemates intact.. Who is right? anybody know? I will need more detailed Pictures to do this kit justice .. regards Bill Code -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Phil Gollin" Subject: Beatties Just a bit of (oldish) news for British modellers. It would seem that the Beatties chain of model/toy stores have called in the receivers (about 10 days ago). At present the staff are awaiting info as to whether they will be "down-sized" and "saved" or whether the chain is to close or be sold-off. What that means for the British modelling scene, I can't judge. Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" Subject: F-111B Trials >> In the late 1960`s the USN did some carrier trials off the S.California coast with F-111 aircraft. << The aircraft was the F-111B designed for the Navy (whereas the F-111A was the Air Force bird). The F-111B/A was a SecDef idea from McNamara that did not work for the Navy (or anyone according to some). The aircraft was too heavy and large. It had a short and stubby nose, added IR sensor, etc. compared to the A model. It flew during the mid to late 60's. I have a video of its test flights and can provide some simple information if needed. In fact, on its initial flights it had difficulties with hydraulic leaks in the landing gear. IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding Hello Everyone, Tim Perry has some excellent suggestions, which I will not reiterate. Let me add a few observations of my own: On measuring: I really like the new Incra rules (I believe that General makes them as well, available from Model Expo). These are designed with precisely cut slots that make marking repetitive measurements very precise. They also have a very useful protractor. Digital Calipers can be purchased in the US for under $ 60 now. I have one and use it every time I scratchbuild. A push of the button converts inch decimal into metric units. A real time saver, and very precise. A useful ruler can be made out of the thin, rigid 6" ruler made by General, by cutting it into 3", 2" and 1" length with a Dremel tool or miniature abrasive chop saw. Just the thing for measuring and marking out in confined areas I picked up a nice ruler from Kitts Industrial Tools that has white marking on a Matte black background. I find it much easier to read than the traditional black on silver rulers. Since my eyesight is not what it used to be, I wear an Optivisor whenever I am model building. Makes reading a decimal ruler a _whole_ lot more fun! On tools: Add plenty of single edge razor blades to your kit. You will need them for the Chopper anyway, which is an excellent tool. The Jarmac sander is a nice 4" sander with plenty of power for modeling purposes. I hooked up a Dremel speed control to mine to slow it down to a speed suitable for plastic. A variety of tweezers comes in handy, from heavier ones that can grasp small sanding sticks in inaccessible areas, to the finest for grasping that small part. I found some very nice ones with damaged tips at a surplus store. By cutting the ends off with a Dremel and reshaping with a sharpening stone to a point, I have several excellent pairs of tweezers for a total outlay of about one dollar. Can't beat that! Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Tugs? Of course! Lots of them, especially Moran Company Tugs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: CapnAgee@aol.com Subject: Re: Shangri La and P-51Ds I remember seeing a photo of a Mustang running up on the Shang's deck. I seem to remember it in the old American Modeler Magazine where they had plans for a profile carrier event (AMA) P-51. Then I saw pix another somewhere else; I do remember it was natural silver with star and bars with an acft SN in the normal location (vert stab). I don't recall any USN markings and can't remember even seeing a tailhook. I'm going into my archives and find it. I Shall Return - Ahoy! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Hornet and JAG MDDoremus@aol.com writes: >> The exterior shots showed a ship suffering from more than it's fair share of abuse. I assume that the film crew did nothing to change the appearance of the ship (for better or for worse). If this is the case, the museum folks have earned a major BZ for cleaning her up and making her look a lot like a fighting ship. << She was indeed in rough shape when she arrived at Alameda. When I first saw her, she was tied up at Hunter's Point, San Francisco, waiting to be scrapped. The commander of the NAS, Alameda, had her towed over for one of the end of World War II events, IIRC, and things got rolling from there. She was within a whisker of being cut up, but the local group really pulled out the stops and managed to fight an uphill battle to save her. They really deserve a lot of credit; frankly, I did not think they would be able to pull it off. Of course, the real challenge is keeping her up year after year. She is off the beaten track, tucked away in Alameda, across the bay from the tourists spots of San Francisco, and thus does not benefit like the Jeremiah O'Brien and the Pampanito from visitors who happen across her in the course of sight seeing. The preservation group is active in organizing events and publicizing the ship locally, however, so this may be enough to insure adequate financial support to keep her in good shape. Let's hope so, since so much of our maritime history is lost forever. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "peter webster" Subject: RN Wood Gun Mountings Hi to all the throng, I need to contact someone who is an officianado on Royal Navy pivot mountings for ship guns of the 1850's to 1870's, i.e. the wood carriages and slides. I need advice from someone who is familiar with detail aspects of the mountings. Also I need plans/diagrams (especially period ones from handbooks and similar) and photos of same. There is a black hole when it comes to this technical data and the photos are either poor quality or obscured by a sailor reclining in just the wrong spot. Peter Webster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: eddp Subject: Re: USN mustangs and other such might have beens >> Any other interesting, true to life What-if's out there??? << Lookhead proposed a radial-engined version of the P-38 Lightning for the Navy. The Allisons were replaced by a pair of Pratt and Whitney R-1830's (-1850's ?) and folding wings were added. There is a 3-view in WarbirdTech Vol. 2 on the P-38 North American had a navalized version of the F-100 as the "Super Fury", vying with the F-8 for that program. Then, of course, the was the naval F-16 that lost to the F-18, and the recent Navy F-117 proposal by LockMart. None of these progressed beyond the paper project stage, as far as I know. Edd Pflum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Mike Connelley Subject: More on Yamato markings Howdy: I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but looking at the photos in the Skulski book I noticed something else other than the apparent discrepancy in the location of the white rectangles along the edge of the weather deck. In the overhead photos on pg 26, the waterways or gutters that run along the edge of the deck on the port side (and a little on the starboard) seem especially bright. The waterway starts beside the fore secondary turret and goes to the aft rangefinder tower. Another one starts at the aft secondary turret and extends to the end of the wood deck. This matches the bright deck edge in the photos. The drawing H9/3 shows that the bottom of these waterways were wood, but in the photos these are much brighter than the surrounding wood deck. This leads me to suggest that the waterways either 1) had bottoms of metal painted gray like the rest of the ship and/or 2) were themselves painted white. I think the first case is more plausable since in the smaller photo on pg 26, I can see what appear to be white rectanges (apparently spaced 5 degrees apart) over the waterways. If they can be seen clearly over the waterways, then the waterways could not have been painted white. Not as clear are what appear to be white rectanges between the egde mounted 25mm tripple turrets, also painted over the waterways. Has anyone noticed this before? What is the concensus out there in SMML land about my interpretations of these photos? I'm open to any comments, questions, or criticism. Cheers Mike Connelley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: USN mustangs and other such might have beens Hi Guys There are 4 planes from the Army Air Force that were tried on limited numbers such as the P-38,P-39,P-80,and P-61. It seems that the P-38 and P-61 were acquired for research work because of the development of the F7F Tigercat and neither saw carrier duty, the P-80 did but the P-39's didn't. Plane Navy designation #' of Planes P-38 FO-1 4 P-39 F2L-1K 2 P-61 F2T-1 12 P-80 FO-1/TV-1 3 As for the F-111.It seems that both services originally rejected the idea of a dual service aircraft such as the F-111because of operational needs. The Airforce designed the plane and the AF version was the F-111A and the Navy F-111B. It failed as navy plane due to weight. There were 7 and were used for testing. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: London I'll be in London for a few days next week. Any interesting places to visit for a shipmodeler? Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands Hi Pieter, Where do I start ;-) There's the Imperial War Museum, with one of it's outposts HMS Belfast, The Maritime Museum at Greenwich, with the Cutty Sark & Gypsy Moth close by. I'll leave the rest for the locals ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: Navy F-111 Chuck, I don't know what carrier was used but I know the Navy F-111 was no April Fools prank (though it was a joke). As part of the attempt to "standardize" equipment across the military in the early 60's, Grumman was asked to try to force the new Air Force strike aircraft (the F-111A) into the mold of a Navy fleet defense fighter (the F-111B). They built a few prototypes but it was hopeless. This was the source of the famous quote from an Admiral to a Senate committee "Senator, there isn't enough thrust in all of Christendom..." to make a fighter out of the F-111. Thus (through a rather deviant route) was the F-14 born. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: James Corley Subject: Shangri-La notes From: Derek Wakefield >> It said the USN did trials of the Mustang on the Shang to assess it's suitablity for carrier service. In the end, the USN chose the Corsair, as the Stang's performance was only marginally better than the Corsair's, and the Corsair was easier to maintain. The photo showed the Stang in what appeared to be USAAF markings with a bare-metal finish. Wish I remembered the serial, but still...a 51 done up in Midnight Blue...hmm (considering I've got an unbuilt Tamiya 51D sitting on the shelf behind me...) << These tests were conducted on 15NOV44, well after the F4U was accepted for naval service. "At 1220 Lt. R. M. Elder (Navy) successfully landed a P-51 fighter aboard, repeating the performance three times without incident." That day also saw the first landings and catapults of the F7F and B-25 aboard a carrier. The s/n of the P-51 was 414017 .... since this was the first navy fighter built by North American shouldn't the P-51D really be the FJ-1?? The B-25 in question was a hook equipped PBJ-1J (B-25J) with the solid gun nose with 4 .50 cal MGs and the large caliber cannon (looks like the 75mm) as well as the .50 cal cheek gun packs. Steven, I got the book on ebay, I have seen two listed and bought half of them! I collect cruise books as a form of research and preservation. When I am gone, they will be donated to the appropriate museums. Oh, Shirley forgot to mention that the foldout was taken in front of the ship giving a very large profile view photo of the Shang! The ship appears to be about the same length as the Revell kit (1/540) Tim, the P-51 in question was bare metal or overall aluminum lacquer with no markings except for data stenciling, black serial numbers and the late war stars & bars. The aircraft also had a anti glare panel which would have been olive drab, I suppose (the standard) Chuck, the F-111B tests were aboard FDR. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts The Deadline to pre-register for the SMML convention is April 1st 2000! If you want to attend, please contact us as soon as possible so that we can get a accurate head count. Also, for those who plan on coming to the convention from far away, the special rate on the Hotel expires on April 6th. Hotel arrangements can be found at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_hotels.html The SMML convention date is May 5th and May 6th onboard the USS Salem (CA-139) Ship Museum. For more information, check out the SMML website at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA meeting Hi Gang, Well it's that time of the month again ;-). Anyone who lives or is visiting Sydney are welcome to attend the monthly meeting of the Australian Plastic Modeller's Assoc this Saturday, starting at 1230. We are having a display day showcasing the 60th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain. More details can be found on the APMA website, or by emailling me at: mailto:sljenkins@tac.com.au Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Shane Subject: Links wanted Hi, I'm in the process of completely re-vamping the APMA site & am after more links for the links page. If anyone would like to link to APMA, get in touch with me at: mailto:sljenkins@tac.com.au Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume