Subject: SMML VOL 884 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:03:06 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Urban (Military) Legends 2: Re: Gato/Balao subs 3: Korean Airlines Flight 007 4: Re: conspiracies 5: Re: Gato sub 6: CV-6 Image 7: translator 8: Re: 1) Russian carriers, 2) IOWA class phase II conversions 9: Re: Doctored Photos 10: Re: Korean Airliner 11: Soviet Statement on KAL-007 12: Re: Korean Airliner 13: Re: Revell Fletcher, Kiev & New Jersey 14: Maru specials 15: Dive Dive! Special VCR Alert 16: New Book-Northwest Legacy 17: Korean Airliner 18: Re: Korean Airliner 19: U-571 and PH the Movie... 20: Military Legends 21: HMAS Hobart 22: Re: And now for something..... 23: USS New Jersey Flight 2 Conversion 24: Re: Adm Sandy Woodward's book 25: Korean Airliner 26: USN airliner shootdown 27: KAL shootdown 28: Dutch sailor's uniform (CNN) follow up 29: Armor & Long Lance 30: USNHC - Wasp, Guam, and U-571 31: Re: Pearl Harbor update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Site updates 2: Model Ship Journal-Issue Zero Update 3: Photomarine Archives 4: April issue of Navismagazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: Urban (Military) Legends Another I remember are those tracked subs the USSR alledgely used to spy on Norwegian (and other ?) ports. They would ride over the seabed into the harbour... I remember seeing a photo of caterpillar tracks on a muddy seabed, off course the photo's were blurred enough to be really anything. Anyone heard or knows of these? Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Sean Obrien" Subject: Re: Gato/Balao subs My dad shipped out in January of 43 as junior officer on the USS Albacore(SS 218). He served on her for 8 war patrols and agrees with what has been said here. Over the coarse of his time on her they were always making changes in her deck guns and conning tower, cutting her, adding there. This was also going on inside the boat. I always offered to build the Revell WWII sub(under it's many reissues) but he has always said that it doesn't really look like his sub. Sean O'Brien -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Joel Labow Subject: Korean Airlines Flight 007 >> The Korean Airliner was shot down by either a US or Japanese missile definitely not Soviet fighters. The story most of the world knows is a pack of lies constructed to hide an intelligence operation that went drastically wrong << Oh Gawd! Here's the next off-subject goose chase! I suppose that next we'll hear that the CIA deliberately relocated Mt. Erebus in 1979 to down Air New Zealand Flight 901 in order "to hide an intelligence operation that went drastically wrong." One could compile a history of mankind in reverse by compiling a list of "what most of the rest of the world knows!" Hi Joel & all the others who posted ;-), I think you'll find you've been the subject of some very dry British humour or at the very least that's the way I took it to be ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Re: conspiracies >> lies constructed to hide an intelligence operation << and you know this because.....? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Gato sub >> First, a beautiful conning tower! Is the hull also scratchbuilt, or did you use an R/C hull? << The conning tower and hull came from Scale Shipyard. It's like building a Combat Models vac-form kit. You get the basic shapes and the rest is up to you, but with one difference. Scale Shipyard does give you some basic "necessities." My hull and conning tower came with some resin cast deck hatches, rudders, capstans, metal chocks, HR Models guns (very nice) and a cast metal anchor. The rest is up to you. The hull and conning tower halves were already stuck together saving me some work there also. The deck was anchored to the hull via some angle plastic with thick styrene decking on top. Lots of plastic bracing went from port to starboard where the sheet styrene meet, thus preventing the hull flexing. The wood deck was simulated using formed plastic sheeting in the proper scale from a railroad shop. Looks quite realistic although the planking is a little out of scale. Plastic strip was glued to the outside perimeter of the deck and faired into the hull providing a smooth transition. The tall antennae mast was made from basswood and sculpted with a belt sander to the proper shape. A length of brass rod was inserted into the top. The periscopes were made from brass tubing at deck level with telescoping tubing above that with solid brass rod representing the periscopes themselves. To insure a good fit, the periscope bracing was drawn first on my computer here so the periscopes would accurately fit though it. The rest of the bracing is brass rod. The model's done. Just need to add some lookouts and a deck officer. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: CV-6 Image Greetings, I have a scanned, color image of the bridge/Island structure of the USS Enterprise CV-6 taken in late 1940 or early 1941. If anyone would like a copy, please contact me off line. It is about 100kb. Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "S Sachsen" Subject: translator >> For some SMML relevance, I can usually puzzle through instructions in French/German/Russian, but what I'd really like is something to translate Japanese colors to English. Although that's doable, the problem is the different character set: how would I type hiragana or katakana or whatever into the translator? (A rhetorical question.) << I've wondered that, too, and Japanese would be the most relevant language to need. Besides the kana issue, there's the meaning--the same kana can have a sound or a word or meaning attached to it. I've seen an electronic Chinese dictionary, but it still requires the roman spelling. What I have done for quick and dirty solutions that aren't always perfect, is if you have a color chip card with the kana (Japanese language Tamiya catalog, or such like) it's fairly easy enough to 'match the shapes' with the instructions. I had to do this with a gray market M2 Bradley, whose instructions were completely in kana. (It helped to have the Vanguard publication close to hand, too.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: 1) Russian carriers, 2) IOWA class phase II conversions TO: Craig Bennet While there is a certain amount of fog to penetrate [and I can be as lost in the fog as anyone], when discussing the Russian carriers; here is what I have. If anyone has any other data, please chime in. As far as I know the only active Russian carrier is the Adm. Kuznetsov. In 1992 they scrapped the Ul'yanovsk, Minsk, and Leningrad. In 1993 they scrapped the Novorossiysk. In 1994 they did the Kiev and in 1995 the Moskva. The Variag is, as far as I know, uncompleted and will not be completed; with the tremendous caveat that with a new regime in power that probably has far different and less benign foreign policy goals, one can never tell. The Baku/Adm. Gorshkov has been used as a testbed vehicle for their equivalent of our AN/SPY-1 and various navalised shorebased aircraft. Of the three naval aviation vessels; one active, one testbed, and one uncompleted, there is still the matter of the fog noted above. There have been repeated rumors of sales/lease of each to other countries; primarily India and China. As of this writing and a quick search, I am not sure where the Gorshkov is and who owns her [bloody fog!]. Anyone have any knowledge of this? The conversions of the IOWA-class: In 1982-83 they were mooting about the concept of using the IOWA's as sea control ships with a flight deck aft, Harriers, marines, Tomahawks, and all sorts of neat toys. The theory was that the Iowa herself would be brought out of mothballs as Phase I [as completed] and later converted to the Phase II. The rest of the class, as they were brought out in the time span through 1987, would be changed to Phase II in the initial recommissioning. I kind of liked the idea, especially in view of the need for naval gunfire support in the fleet; however we are entering a new phase in our use of seapower (sigh). If anyone has any more data on this too, please jump in. Hope this helps. Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Doctored Photos Well, now you know what artists do for fun - there is so much software out there now that allows anyone with a little computer knowledge and some artistic background to do this. Most of it is just copy and past. Way back when I was a graphic artist, I would do this kind of stuff on my down time. I had everything from a CVL with and angled deck to a CA converted to what I called a CAAA (Anti Aircraft Heavy Cruiser). And of course what was really fun was to put Terrier launchers on pre-WWII BBs, CAs, and CL. The amount of things you can do is endless. The fun part was that since you used various photo and put them all together - added a little shading via the software's airbrush tool and you had a fantasy ship - and someone who knew nothing about ships would actually think it was a real photo. Mike Navydaze -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: Re: Korean Airliner >> The Korean Airliner was shot down by either a US or Japanese missile definitely not Soviet fighters. The story most of the world knows is a pack of lies constructed to hide an intelligence operation that went drastically wrong. << .... or maybe a UFO from Roswell, New Mexico had a midair with KAL 007 over Sakhalin Island. The commander of the Soviet airbase was sacked, air-to-ground chatter from the Soviet fighters is on tape. If KAL 007 were on a spy mission (which isn't relevant here anyway), why would the Soviets want to cover that up? Quite the opposite. Because someone like Michel Brun wrote a book claiming a vast conspiracy, involving four governments, to cover up an alleged air battle in which several US fighters were also shot down does not make it so. What are your sources - proof - that "most of the world" is wrong? Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Soviet Statement on KAL-007 Chris - Maybe you better tell the Soviet Air Force to retract their statement admitting that they shot it down? Robert M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Paul Jacobs Subject: Re: Korean Airliner Is there some other Korean airliner that we're talking about here? If we're talking about Flight 700 (I think that was the number) shot down over Sakhalin on September 1, 1983, I wonder where Chris gets his information? The Soviets admitted that they shot this plane down, the pilots involved were interviewed at the time, and admitted shooting it down and the Soviet position was, then, and long after, that the plane was over Soviet territory as part of a U.S. sponsored intelligence mission, and they were justified in shooting it down. The Soviets NEVER, ever alleged that the plane was downed by anything or anyone else other than Soviet action. The controversy surrounding this has never been about who shot it down. It's always been about whether or not the plane was engaged in espionage. Paul Jacobs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: tom Subject: Re: Revell Fletcher, Kiev & New Jersey >> I have been working on the Nichimo 1/900 Faces 2 New Jersey and does any one know when they might have converted the Iowa class with a flight deck for harriers, copters, vertical launch system with Aegis radar. It was never done. << Craig: The Iowa class conversion plans started all the way back to the 1950's when it was proposed that the ships be modified to carry ICBMs. In the 1960's Adm. John McCain pitched a proposal to remove the #3 16" turret and all the 5" guns and put a helicopter hanger and flight deck in place along with 14 LCM-6 landing craft, 30 helicopters and 1800 Marines... amphibious assault carrier and gunfire support in one package. The Marines liked the idea but at that time (at any time?) amphibious warfare was the red headed stepchild of the Navy. The "Phase II" proposals date to around 1981. There was a whole range of Phase II proposals from simple deletion of turret 3 and addition of hanger and flight deck up to removal of all three turrets and addition of 400+ VLS tubes. I think the Nichimo kit most closely matches a proposal pitched by Martin Marietta. Like all of the Phase II proposals it was seen as a blue water surface warfare ship (NOT as an amphibious warfare or gunfire support vessel). The M-M proposal featured lots of anti ship Tomahawk or Harpoon VLS cells but no AA radar or armament. Costs for the various proposals started at way over a billion dollars. The decision not to modify the Iowas to Phase II was based on a) extremely high conversion and operational cost, and b) the Marine Corps) unwillingness to remove any of the 16" guns and convert/divert the ships from their most practical mission... amphibious gunfire support. Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Maru specials Can someone tell me where I can find a complete listing of available Maru special books? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" HI Rusty, Try hlj at: http://www.hlj.com/ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Victor Baca Subject: Dive Dive! Special VCR Alert The Discovery Channel has been advertising a promo for a special about the new U-571 movie titled, "DIVE! DIVE!" on Wednesday night, April 19th, at 8:00 E/P, with Matthew McConahey as the host (hope I spelled his name right.) It will re-air again at 11:00 P.M. as well. U-571, the movie, opens in theaters on Friday 21 April. Heck, I'd pay my bucks just to check out the footage of the naval tug shown on the promos. It shows for just a split sec. on the trailer; but appears to be the Ship Co-Star of the show. At 9 P.M. on the 19th, Discovery is set to air "Submarine Disasters," a show about the evolution of subs. Not sure if that's a re-run, if it is--not to worry, switch to AMC, there will be a showing of "In Harm's Way" starring John Wayne that same night at 9 P.M. I always liked the naval ship footage on this oldie from 1965. All in all, I'd say this week is shaping up to be a bonanza for ship fans. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal HI everyone, I assume Victor is referring to the US Discovery channel, not nesscary other countries who have the Discovery channel avaialble. Now it's my understanding that these channels will vary from country to country & possibly even from state to state in the US. Might be an idea in the future when annoucing "video alerts" to say where it's showing or where you are for future reference, as this is an international list ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Victor Baca Subject: New Book-Northwest Legacy While standing in line at Barnes & Noble yesterday, I noticed an eye-catching black book on the display rack behind the counter. "Northwest Legacy, Sail Steam and Motorships" by John and Jeremy Snapp is now residing on my bookshelf and my wallet is lighter by $39.95. It's a terriffic book reminiscent of the old Superior and Bonanza Press books showcasing the photo talents of Joe Williamson. The Snapps are aptly named photographers (grandfather and grandson) who preserved the images of historical Northwest ships on film. Northwest Legacy is chock full of large format pix of classic steamers, military ships, tugs and nice old U.S. Lighthouse Tenders, many never before published. The ISBN number is 0-9673633-1-4, 1999, published by Pacific Northwest Heritage Press of Lopez Island, WA. Definitely a "keeper." Look for a review of it in Issue Zero of Model Ship Journal. Victor Baca Model Ship Journal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Korean Airliner >> The Korean Airliner was shot down by either a US or Japanese missile definitely not Soviet fighters. The story most of the world knows is a pack of lies constructed to hide an intelligence operation that went drastically wrong. << What a teaser! This sounds like speculation, or maybe repeated rumors. Were you involved in the operation? Isn't it still secret? Why are you telling us this? And how do you know this? Where's your proof? How about some more details? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: Re: Korean Airliner Chris Langtree said: >> The Korean Airliner was shot down by either a US or Japanese missile definitely not Soviet fighters. The story most of the world knows is a pack of lies constructed to hide an intelligence operation that went drastically wrong. << Now either it's April Fools again or just plain April Fool... I can't decide which. Chris, if you Seriously believe this then I've got a REALLY great deal on a RARE 1/429 Revell USS Arizona....it's only $125.00...Hell! I'll even pay for the shipping! Seriously though... do you have any EVIDENCE other than BS you've pulled off the internet for that statement?...If so I'm sure the NY Times or Washington Post Would pay BIG bananas for a scoop like that. How did we fake the intercepted conversations between Soviet ground control and the following fighters? Frankly, you've just lost ALL credibility on practically any matter if you believe that kind of pathetic communist propaganda. But then again Goebels said,"The bigger the lie the more people will believe it." Since I'm reading this late I'll assume I'm pretty far down the flame list here... Chris 'Where's the EVIDENCE" Crofoot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Jeffry J. Fontaine" Subject: U-571 and PH the Movie... Hi Shane and SMML Folks; I was checking the Hyper Scale discussion group "Plane Talking" and happened to come across these two nuggets of information relating to a past thread on SMML concerning historical accuracy and Hollywood. This is also of interest because of the past discussion about the computer generated images that were envisioned to replace the destroyer "stand in" for Battleship Row at Pearl Harbor and the issue of the USS Missouri being in the background. If what this fellow Tom Cleaver says is true or anywhere near the truth, then all of those people that were cueing up to view the Pearl Harbor film will be very disappointed by the complete lack of concern for historical accuracy. Both of Toms messages are copied complete from Hyperscale Discussion Group "Plane Talking." Enjoy, Jeffry Fontaine Bremerton, Washington -----------First message posted to the subject thread------------------------------ Tom Cleaver Bad news for "Pearl Harbor" and "U-571" Fri Apr 14 23:56:35 2000 Just got through talking to some good friends who took the airplane shots you can see at the "Pearl Harbor" site. What follows doesn't surprise me since I work in the insanity, but it might surprise you: God, aka Director Micheal Bay, has said he doesn't care what happened, "It's my movie and this time we *win*!!" If my friends hadn't been paid already as much as they were, they would have dropped off. Don't waste your time come Memorial Day weekend 2001. As I said before, if you like BIG EXPLOSIONS and LOUD AIRPLANE NOISES, you will love the work of "The Antichrist" (Mr. Bay's name among we who write movies) And if that wasn't enough, allow me to tell you about a movie I got to see last weekend as one of the "goodies" for working in Hollywierd: "U-571" is "'MTV Rocks' meets the Second World War." As in, don't waste your time. Ordinarily, I am a big believer in telling all of you to go to a movie in a genre I write on the first weekend - if it makes money I have a chance. The scumballs on the other side of the desk I have to deal with only respond to one kind of "vote," the one with money attached, so if it is "big" the first weekend, those of us who would like to do something good in that genre have a better chance in the pitch meetings the following week. So usually I tell everyone to go the first weekend to the expensive shows because $$ counts. Well,$$ still counts, and I would like it very much if all of you would vote "no." As in No Money. This alleged "movie" is for those members of Generation Y-bother who can't tell the difference between The Civil War and the Vietnam War. I was waiting for the officers to turn their hats backwards and for the enlisted men to cut their dungarees off just above their knees and spend five minutes piercing everyone's ears. Please, if you want to see good WW2 movies, let this one take a torpedo amidships and sink out of sight. Don't go. It thukths. Let the illiterate maroons who think rap is music pay for it. The worst Grade D propaganda movie of WW2 was 100 times better. Cheers, Tom Cleaver -----------Second message posted to the same subject thread---------------------- Tom Cleaver More info re" "Pear Harbor" Sat Apr 15 11:14:10 2000 FWIW, it became known last week that the USN support for the movie would be the provision of several contemporary frigate/destroyer-class ships for "Battleship row." At first, people thought this was going to be done to get the proper placement on film for CGI battleships, tho people also worried about what would be done with the USS Missouri, which is visible in all shots one would take of "battleship row." *That* was when Mr. Antichrist made his statement that he didn't have to worry about historical accuracy and that "this time, we win and kick butt." I am sure that Generation Y-bother will likely love it, since it will be LOUD AND EXCITING, the two things Mr. Bay is known for in his filmic ouvre. Tom Cleaver Hi gang, Now that you've read Mr Cleaver's comments, the url for Hyperscale (a very nice site) is: http://www.hyperscale.com - then just click on the Plane Talking message board. Here you'll find the rest of the thread. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Scheckenbach, Alan" Subject: Military Legends >> Another one I heard from the Falkalands was that the Argentines showed the UK govt/diplomats a periscope photo of a British ship (QE2?) the Argies had dead to rights and DIDN'T fire on. I forget if this was before or after the RN sank that cruiser (Belgrano?). I've also heard this kind of story vis a vis USN carriers, which everyone says are surrounded by this impenetrable shield of attack subs, frigates, ASW planes, etc. Anyhow, RN subs apparently several times came near enough to take close-up photos of a CVN during exercises to show it wasn't necessarily so...Also RN subs in Murmansk harbour, RN destroyers bagging Iraqi jets with Sea Wolf missles in the mid-80s, well before the Gulf War, something for Ripley's? << Following on from this, I'd like to add some anecdotes regarding the Oberon Class subs as operated by the RAN until recently. There are a number of periscope photos of US aircraft carriers getting around that make those in charge of the battle groups see red. The pics are apparently followed by a flare being fired from the sub. Most embarrassing. Don't worry, when we had carriers the subs used to do that to ours as well. Alan Hi Alan, Yes I always laughed when told about the Oberon's sinking the USN carriers and other ships when I worked at HMA Dockyard Garden Is. Not bad for a bunch of old diesal subs eh ;-)). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: HMAS Hobart Hi all. The Hobart was in town over the weekend and I managed to get a bit of a look around and take a few photos (I'm making her in 1:700). She is due to decommission in Sydney in a few days and, sadly, her general condition appears to reflect this. If anyone is interested in some general arrangement photos I will have them developed shortly. One thing of interest was that she will attempt to break the Fleet speed record, currently 41 knots. (I guess this means her propulsion system is still in reasonable condition!!!) Could any SMMLie people in Sydney find out whether she managed it when she arrives? Also, does anyone know which ship holds the record now? Regards, Stuart Robottom WEBPAGE (recently updated): http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Fritz Koopman Subject: Re: And now for something..... Gee Robert! And here I am..... clicking the link, thinking that it connected to the actual photo, and not the CNN article! How can you lead us on like that?! ;-) Bummer.... Regards Fritz Koopman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Jana & Pavel" Subject: USS New Jersey Flight 2 Conversion Dear Craig, In reply to your enquiry about the USS New Jersey, the conversion was never done due to two main reasons. However to understand the reason's for activation of the Battleship Class you need to think back to the political climate of the '80's. At that time there was an effort to build up the US Navy to "600 ships". In 1981 when the proposal was put on the table to the then Secretary of the Navy John Lehman, he did not like it because it would cost about $ 2 billion per ship. Also he was a strong advocate of aviation and did not think a hybrid battleship was in his interest. The cost to reactivate the 4 ship class would cost almost 8 billion, a sizable chunk of the budget that John Lehman wished to spend on new construction. His instructions were therefor to get rid of the flight deck and put forward a more reasonable proposal. The final cost of the New Jersey Class reactivation was more in the region of 22 million, as opposed to the 25 million budgeted.(10% under cost) The Flight 2 conversion was to remove the turret at the stern, replace it with a flight deck under which there would be 100 vertical box launchers for the Tomahawk. The aircraft would be the Harriers and helicopters. You can try to find publications from the early "80's which will have drawings of the proposal, I think one was "Popular Mechanics" as well as the usual naval publications. I hope this is of some help. Regards Pavel VACATA Battleship & Battlecruiser nut -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Re: Adm Sandy Woodward's book I have a copy of Adm Sandy Woodward's book about the Falklands: "One Hundred Days". A great book, makes a very interesting read-- not dry at all. Bill and Kaja Michaels -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: Korean Airliner Chris, I'd really like to know upon what you base this statement. I generally don't cotton to conspiracy theories. Please expand and expound... Steve Jantscher PS- Didn't the Soviets have a press conferance in which they explained how and why they shot KAL 007 down? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Bergsch=F6ld_Pelle?= Subject: USN airliner shootdown I believe that I have seen a note stating that the iranian airliner was taken out by a SM-1 MR from OHP-class FFG USS Stark. Yes, the same ship that got two SSM hits later on. Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Bergsch=F6ld_Pelle?= Subject: KAL shootdown Chris. There are actually records from IA-PVO (soviet air defence force) that describes the process of two Sukhoi Su-15:s (NATO-code name FLAGON) shooting down the Korean Air Lines flight. That is beyond doubt. What on the contrary very well may be discussed is whether the KAL flight was performing some kind of secret ops or not. Best regards Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Bergschöld Pelle Subject: Dutch sailor's uniform (CNN) follow up Anyone interested in the whole story? Check at http://krant.telegraaf.nl/cgi-bin/nieuwsarchief?http://www.telegraaf.nl/kran t/archief/20000410/teksten/bin.striptease.html P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Armor & Long Lance I've got a couple of questions that I hope you s'guys can help me with. 1) Do contemporary naval vessels have armor? I know...stupid question, but my knowledge of present day ships whomps! 2) Given the lackluster performance of US Mk-14 torpedoes during WWII, was there any thought or study on adapting/modifying the design of Japanese Long-Lance to make a new model 21" torpedo? Thanks in advance. Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Ed Grune Subject: USNHC - Wasp, Guam, and U-571 Good morning SMMLies. Its a big week at the US Naval Historical Center's photographic section. Check their wars new page at: http://history.navy.mil/photos/whatsnew.htm There are photos of the Wasp (CV-7) and the Guam (CB-2). As well as some information on the "real" U-571. The impending release of the movie of the same name has prompted the Navy to post this information on the FAQ section. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor update Some nice pictures... Except there is one that shows the film crew preparing a prop of a quad 40mm mount...oops. Shouldn't that be a quad 1.1"? If I'm not mistaken, none of the ships in Dec '41 had quad Bofors mounts. Oh well, who's gonna notice anyways? (Except for all us SMMLies...) FYI- for everyone in the US, the Discovery Channel is having a special this Wednesday night at 9 pm about U571 called 'Dive! Dive!' (if I remember properly). Should include some nice shots from the film, which opens Friday. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts SMML Convention and tour notices: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html If your coming to the SMML convention on friday, we need to know which tour you planning to attend so that we can get an accurate head count for transportation. Contact John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com and let him know which tour you plan on attending. If you are going on a tour, you need to be onboard the USS Salem no later than 10:00am on Friday May 5th. We will open the ship starting at 9:00am for those who would like a cup of coffee and some schoozing before departure. For those of you who are not going on either tour; the USS Salem will NOT be open to the public on friday (Crew will be on watch to repel boarders if provoked ) so please do not show-up at the ship on friday unless you are attending the tours. Check out Convention and tour info at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike" Subject: Site updates Hi once again, The latest Archives are up & indexed again. We also have on-line (via Hints'n'Tips) a table of Humbrol equivalent paints for 7 different companies. Don't say we don't listen when you start asking questions!!! And let's not forget a new walk-around, the USN destroyer USS Edsen - cheers Joe! Later this month, we'll have another destroyer but this time it will be the RN's HMS Glasgow - currently visible at the Southampton Tall Ships Race. If you have anything you'd like to share, just mail it into us!!! Mike SMML Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Victor Baca Subject: Model Ship Journal-Issue Zero Update Issue Zero of Model Ship Journal is moving along toward publication on May 31st. We just found a great series of photos in our black and white files shot during the early 1980's aboard USS HOEL (DDG-13). A member of the last of the classic, beautifully designed destroyers, the Charles F. Adams class. The HOEL represents the earlier C.F. Adams ships with the hull mounted vice bow mounted sonar. We will publish the photo series showing portrait, on-deck shots, bow and stern views as well as the inside of the bridge as a special photo spread in Issue Zero of Model Ship Journal. We'll give as much space as needed for the HOEL shots so they can be presented in a large a format. I'll be printing the negatives myself in Photomarine Archive's darkroom as custom prints, so we can extract as much out of each negative as possible. If you're building a replica of the Adams class or just like looking at pix of great ships--this series will blow you right out of the water! Subscriptions are still available for the limited run of Issue Zero. Call toll-free at 877-371-0290 (Visa and Master Card accepted). Outside U.S. call (360) 371-0290. You can also e-mail us at modelships@earthlink.net or snail mail with a check for $30.00 (1 year sub., 4 issues, [$45.00 outside U.S.]) to: PHOTOMARINE ARCHIVES Model Ship Journal Attn: Victor Baca P.O. Box 28516 Bellingham, WA 98228-0516 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Victor Baca Subject: Photomarine Archives Many modelers replying to our Model Ship Journal postings have asked about Photomarine Archives, so here goes: We are a private ship's photo and plan archive devoted to preserving historical naval and maritime material. We take old ship's plans and restore them to good condition, then photocopy the originals using a large engineering drawing Xerox machine. The original plans are then de-acidified, pressed flat if folded, encased in protective Mylar and preserved in Ph balanced plan containers. We then digitize the original to preserve a copy on disk as well. The digitized and copied images are used to supply plans to researchers and ship modelers. The vast majority of our listings contain hull lines so modelers may build accurate models or detail kits. We tend to specialize in powered ships (very few 'stick and string' subjects). Of course all this preservation comes at a high cost and that's where MODEL SHIP JOURNAL enters. It's a way of getting the images out to ship modelers so you can do your part in the preservation of historical and modern ships by immortalizing them in scale model form. Money received from the sale of magazine subscriptions allows us to carry on our privately funded mission. The plans come from a number of official sources and we have been known to save boxes of arrangement and hull line plans literally from extinction by being one step ahead of the trash collector. It's amazing the number of historic ship's plans that have been disposed of simply from lack of funding to preserve the images. A sad thought when you consider all the fine drawings and photos moldering away in some smelly landfill. I have also been on a twenty year quest to photograph ships of all types before they become razor blades. My trusty Nikon and I began in the early 1970s by photographing the most likely candidates: ships that were available as kits, commercially available plans or fiberglass hulls as well as subjects contained within our existing plan file. That part of our mission carries on today with our files containing a huge number of ships shot from all angles, on-deck and often in drydock as well. We are slowly cataloging all of these images and began two years ago by offering a 68+ page catalog listing plans, color photos and copies of ship's "Welcome Aboard" pamphlets. Our subjects include: U.S. Navy ships, U.S. Coast Guard cutters, tugs/salvage vessels, NOAA research ships and foreign naval ships. There are also a huge number of freighters, tankers and ships of all types and sizes available in the photo archive. Much of it still needs to be catalogued, but we will research our files at no charge to locate the material you need. If we don't have it, we'll let you know who does if at all possible. The Photomarine Archives spiral bound plan and photo catalog is available for $10.00 postpaid and is due to grow dramatically when we add in all of the black and white photo material to augment the color shots and plans. We maintain a fully stocked darkroom to make custom black and white prints and can also digitize the images on ZIP Disks using Adobe Photoshop. As soon as time allows, we will be adding all of the black and white photo material to our catalog, which will more than double it in size. I guess our letterhead trademark says it all: PHOTOMARINE ARCHIVES, "We Cover The Waterfront." Best Regards, Victor Baca PHOTOMARINE ARCHIVES P.O. Box 28516 Bellingham, WA 98228-0516 (360) 371-0290 877-371-0290 modelships@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: April issue of Navismagazine NAVISMAGAZINE.COM - APRIL 2000 ISSUE http://navismagazine.com (available 4/18) - THE WAR IN THE MEDITERRANEAN (PART II) - TRIBAL-CLASS DDG WALK-AROUND - C-47 "GOONEY BIRD" WALK-AROUND - TECHNIQUE 5 - RESIN CASTING AIRCRAFT: - construction features: - 1/48 Bachem Ba349A Natter - 1/48 Messerschmitt Bf 109E-7 Trop - 1/72 Henschel Hs 129B-2 - 1/72 Focke Wulf Ta 183 - model showcase - 1/48 Dornier Do 335 A-0 - 1/48 Mitsubishi A6M2-K (Zero trainer) - 1/72 Grumman F5F Skyrocket - 1/72 Dassault Mirage 2000 - Virtual Reality model : 1/48 Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero SHIPS: - construction features: - 1/350 Emden - 1/350 USS Tillman (Benson-class DD) - 1/700 RN Orsa - 1/700 mini-diorama "The Admiral's visit" - model showcase: - 1/96 Liberty ship - 1/16 Vietnam Brown Water Navy monitor - 1/72 USS Monitor - 1/700 HMS Dreadnaught - Virtual Realilty model: 1/700 USS Detroit - PHOTO-HISTORY (AIR): The Luftwaffe in Lybia - PHOTO-HISTORY (SHIPS): The War in the Mediterranean II - VIRTUAL PLACES: Tuskegee Fighters review - TASK FORCES - NEWS FROM THE INDUSTRY - ON THE MARKET - NEW BOOKS - LETTERS - BULLETIN BOARD - GAMES (win great prizes!!): - Mystery photo (air) - Mystery photo (ship) - Trivia Quiz VIRTUAL REALITY MODELS Touch'em, rotate them like you are not allowed to do on a contest table!! See the demo at http://navismagazine.com/vr-demo/vr-demo.htm Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume