Subject: SMML VOL 887 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:11:56 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Correction 2: (West) German ship colors 3: Re: Moskva back on the high seas 4: Re: Canadian Kits 5: Philly Navy Yard 6: Re: Various 7: Landing Carrier Support, Large (LCS(L)) 8: Landing Craft Infantry (Large) 9: Port Visits 10: New Orleans 11: Radetsky's railings 12: Thumbnail review - L'Arsenal's 1/400 Flower kit 13: Re: USS Pegasus PHM-1 14: Shane & his bloody Type 12's......!!!!!!! 15: USN S-Boat Camouflage 16: Re: Moskva - A lively pile of scrap! 17: Re: 1/600 musashi 18: Re: USS Arizona 19: Revell 1/100 PT boat 20: Re: Maru Special Books 21: Long Lance torpedoes 22: ship visits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: SMML meeting 2: SMMLcon pictures -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Shipcamouflage.com update 2: Seals-Models Pre-Order Special -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: Correction To Pavel re: Correction, Glad to see your comment on the correction. As the father of a Navy man who spent over two years on the "Big Stick", I couldn't let it go. I know that everyone in the State of New Jersey thinks BB-62 was the class leader, but we know better. I had a personally conducted tour of Iowa during the fleet review in New York City and was very impressed. Regards, Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: (West) German ship colors Check this website (official website of the Bundesmarine). http://www.deutschemarine.de/iindex.html The ships I've seen were all plain grey. Maybe the river boats might have a greenish tone to them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Moskva back on the high seas >> The Moskva recently sailed out of the repair yard to join the Russian Black Seas fleet on exercises. << Very interesting (ALA Artie Johnson)! I thought the Moskva would have been scrapped some time back. I guess since money is tight in Russia, using existing vessels is cheaper than building new ones. The Moskva is one cool looking ship. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Re: Canadian Kits After reading Ian MacCorquodale's post in SMML #855 I am wondering if he actually means a "new resin kit producer" The list he received from Fred Bustard that was included in the post looks a lot like Iron Shipwright's catalog plus some from an Australian firm whose name escapes me right now. Anybody else notice this? Maybe Ian meant a retailer? Just looking for a clarification. Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Keith T Bender Subject: Philly Navy Yard Hi There SMMLies, I just moved to DE this past weekend so I had to make the short run of 33 miles to the Philly navy yard to check put whats up. The USS Detroit AOE 4 is drydocked. Went down in the hole to take some photos. She's huge! Has two 26ft. 6 bld. screws. The bulb at the bow is 16ft wide at the bottom. Boot topping ends at the 40ft mark. And as for the people who are wondering if they still paint them red below the boot topping the answer is yes. Now for a few sad notes: It looked like a CG Belknap class was getting the axe. She was cut to the main deck with the fwd. gun still in place. I don't know if it was the Belknap, couldn't see the painted out name or make out the #. There was a Knox class cut to the deck also. She was in drydock and it looked as if she was having a major autospy. They have begun to dismantle the mast of the America CV 66. Well that's all for now, go dry your eyes fellas. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: Various TO: Chris Crofoot RE: Black Book of Communism Amen! A number of my family members escaped the "Workers' Paradise" and know the truth. Most Americans have chosen to forget it. May I commend to you LAOGAI by Hongda Harry Wu? TO: Robert Mosher RE: Moskva Sailed did she?!? Hmm. A number of sources told me that she was scrapped. Could I have your source so I can possibly use it as a cross check on the more conventional ones? There is the matter of that blasted fog I mentioned. Thanks Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Landing Carrier Support, Large (LCS(L)) Luke Anderson wrote: >> The LCS (L), mighty midgets, were in service from 1944-1946. My grandfather was on the LCS #55 (there were 130 such ships constructed) during WWII and I'd like to find a model on his ship. Can anyone help me find a company that made/makes a model of the LCS(L)? << Commanders/Iron Shipwright makes a 1/350 scale resin & brass LCS(L). Follow the link: http://www.commanderseries.com/pages/LCSL.htm I've built the ISW LCI. It went together well with no problems. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Landing Craft Infantry (Large) Dan Taylor wrote: >> Can anyone out there direct me towards plans for the Landing Craft Infantry (Large), built in the US during WWII? I intend building one to 1/76 scale and only have rather small plans gleaned from various sources. There must be some makers plans about somewhere. Thanks for your efforts in advance. << Hi Dan: Check Floating Drydock's TFW Plan series. They have plans in both 1/48 and 1/96 scales for both the round-bridge and square-bridge versions of the LCI(L). They're generally not builder's plans - with hull lines, etc - but they do show general arrangement. The LCIs were slab-sided so that shouldn't be too big a problem. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Dean, Tom" Subject: Port Visits In reply to Keiths request for ship visit information, you might want to try www.seawaves.com/navcall.htm. It lists naval visits all over the world. Check out the coming gathering in New York City!! Also thanks to Mike and everyone else who helped with the information about Master Model Paints and how to thin same for spraying. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: New Orleans Many thanks to all those who responded to my query on New Orleans. I did manage to visit the USS Kidd a few years ago when I was in the area (before I'd heard of SMML) so it looks as if I did the right thing. Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Jean-Paul Binot" Subject: Radetsky's railings From the pictures I have, the Radetzky class had 2-bar railings at all levels, except on the bridge wings (3-bar levels). Jean-Paul Binot Paris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Loren Perry Subject: Thumbnail review - L'Arsenal's 1/400 Flower kit I just received a sample of L'Arsenal's 1/400 scale Flower-class kit. This is a beautiful piece of work. The six inch light tan resin hull is a full-hull type and includes the after superstructure, funnel, and various small structures and fittings including a perfectly formed and flash-free cowl vent (hollow!) on the forecastle! No air bubbles are visible anywhere. A small bag containing dozens of resin fittings (vents, boats, rafts, screw, rudder, etc.) is provided. All are perfectly formed with no air bubbles and virtually no flash. Most of the parts have identifying numbers molded to the adjacent sprue as found in injection molded plastic kits. Two resin display stands are also included. Three small sheets of photoetched details are furnished, one of them containing six 5-1/4" lengths of generic thbree-bar railing. The railing is all straight and features free-standing stanchion bottoms to be glued one by one to the model's decks. The other two sheets (roughly 2.5" by 1.75 inches each) contain small parts such as armament, davits, supporting structures, ladders, funnel cap grille, and cable reels. These two sheets are relief-etched in 3-D brass for extra detail. The instructions are made up of four sheets, each printed on both sides, with all text in French. Three of the pages provide painting options. The rest provide assembly sketches anbd parts maps. The language may be a barrier for some modelers, but the overall quality of this kit is first rate in all respects. Highly recommended. Almost forgot to mention - the 1/400 kit reviewed here also includes a two-color (gray and white) decal sheet with a variety of hull markings and other details. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Chas Leo Subject: Re: USS Pegasus PHM-1 >> Can anyone give me some advice as to how to go about getting a set of plans for USS Pegasus(PHM-1). She was built in 1978, and I think she was sold for scrap in about 1992. << You might try The Boeing Company. They built it during their fling with hydrofoils in the 1970's. I think it was earlier than 1978, since I managed the housing at Ft. Lawton (now Seattle's Discovery Park) in 1974-5 and had numerous tenants who were assigned to the hydrofoil program. We used to watch her out on Puget Sound up on foils, racing along. Somewhere, I have a picture of her the day she unexpectedly came off the foils when the pump housing fractured while foil-borne off West Point in Seattle. One of my tenants at the time was a Machinist's Mate and said it was amazing how fast the pump compartment filled with water as the pump wound down (rumour had it that the output was on the order of 50-60,000 gpm). Fortunately for them, the pump housing was in a separate compartment from the other propulsion equipment and they were able to limp back in without the ignominy of tugs and Coasties in their 40 footers towing them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Mike" Subject: Shane & his bloody Type 12's......!!!!!!! >> Don't worry mate, happens all the time - just ask Mike Dunn about "Type 12s" ;-þ << ARGH!!!!!!!! For the last time (SOME chance!) they're bleedin' LEANDER class !!!!!! How many times do I have to tell ya!!!!!! WEM - please do a 1/72 scale Leander so I can beat this bugger about the head with it !!!!!! Mine's up to the hull sealing stage (just semi-scale, to prep me for a scale O Class maybe late this year), and I may get around to writing it up for IM. Not R/C, keeping that for a small sub this summer (again, may be in IM). No promises - depends on how much time I get, & if I remember to take photos! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: USN S-Boat Camouflage Hi All, Anyone know which camo scheme or schemes were used on S-type submarines that were serving with the USN in 1942? Thanks in advance for any help. John Impenna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Moskva - A lively pile of scrap! "Robert Mosher" wrote: >> The Moskva recently sailed out of the repair yard to join the Russian Black Seas fleet on exercises. << I suspect that this is the cruiser formerly known as Slava, (project 1164) not the old CGH, which was indeed scrapped. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drwells@hogpa.mt.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: 1/600 musashi "philip long" wrote: >> I am expecting delivery in the next few days of the 1/600 ARII Musashi and I wondered if anyone has built this kit << I built the ARII Yamato, which is probably very similar. I'd like to find out if the instructions in the Musashi kit take the differences between the Yamato and Musashi into account. We're re-doing Rajen's List, (http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/rajen.html) and we need more data on that kit, as well as many others...... >> what they thought of it << Not bad at all. Not perfect, but I liked it. >> and any tips on work to be done on it << For one thing, fill in the gouge in the stern where the propeller is supposed to go. It's supposed to be motorized, you see, and the had to cut a big space for the functioning propeller. Otherwise, the kit is pretty good. >> I would also like to know from any Yamaholics out there if there is any good web sites to visiton this beast! << I'm not a Yamatoholic....... Really!! David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drwells@hogpa.mt.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "David C. Maschino" Subject: Re: USS Arizona >> Perhaps some of you already know of this, but I stumbled upon a plan of what the Arizona looks like now. It's a pretty awe inspiring site. Due to the magazine explosion, the forward turrets look as if they're sitting in a well deck. http://www.nps.gov/scru/arizona.html The plan is a 500K gif, so be advised it might take a few minutes to load (I'm working at 14.4, so it took an eternity). << The Arizona image is actually at http://www.nps.gov/scru/arizona.htm , note the extension is "htm" nor "html". David C. Maschino -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Revell 1/100 PT boat Hello: I am the author of PT Boats In Action and Vosper MTBs In Action. I recently acquired an already built kit of PT-212. It's the old 1/100th scale Revell kit. I plan to have it restored and rebuilt. HR Products has a single 20mm Oerlikon gun in that scale, but I'll need a 40mm Bofors gun as well. The kit's .50 caliber guns are missing - so I'll need those as well. They can be from the kit and if anyone could tell me if anyone could tell me if there's any company that makes .50 calibers in 1/100th scale (like from BLUE JACKET or the like) - I'd appreciate it. I have a general block on my email to block SPAM so - they would need to snail mail me first and let me know their email address so that I could add it to my acceptance list. My address is: T. Garth Connelly 9 Heather Road Ellington, CT 06029-3610 U.S.A Any help will be appreciated. Thank you. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: Maru Special Books Rusty: Assuming you are referring to the original, one ship/class/type per volume issues for the IJN (and selected USN CVs) and not the bundled hardcover or Kajinsha re-issues, I can supply you with most of the titles upon my return to the States next week (I'm in Hong Kong at the moment). For the IJN vessels, I think they are the most comprehensive photographic record available, by type, around. For modeling, I find the Gakken books give better perspective and details. They also have several enlarged versions of the clearest photos published in the Maru Specials. Along with selected diagrams, they are very useful for model building. I use them in conjunction with the Anatomy of a Ship volumes for the best set of references. Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Tom Eisenhour Subject: Long Lance torpedoes Joel Labow wrote: >> I think that all will agree that the USN submarine/surface/airborne torpedoes were inferior to their Japanese "Long Lance" counterparts, but I am unaware of any serious USN efforts to copy that technology. For one thing, the IJN torpedoes were oxygen-fueled, a practice which the USN considered hazardous. For another, the Long Lances were ENORMOUS (there is a 24" L.L. on the grounds of the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis and it is an awe-inspiring sight!). << Joel's comments reminded me of something I'd read earlier on the "Transpacific Voyage of the I-400" web site ( http://www.pacerfarm.org/i-400/i-400.htm ). The site recounts Tom Paine's experiences as a US naval officer who was tasked with bringing the I-400 from Sasebo to Pearl Harbor for examination and evaluation. Prior to that, he was ordered to collect Japanese torpedoes for evaluation: >> I landed at the Sasebo Naval Base with the first boatload of marines; my orders were to seize samples of every type of torpedo, complete with chests of spare parts and special tools for each. (snip) We had learned to respect Japanese torpedoes, which substantially outperformed our own. After much climbing around in wrecked buildings, and sloshing through the mud in dark, dripping caves, I assembled all of the requested ordnance for shipment back to the states. Some of the large Japanese torpedoes now on display in New London came from my collection. My Japanese torpedo expert used a procedure new to me to bleed the pure oxygen charge from an oil-coated Long Lance torpedo. I wondered how he would do this in view of the obvious fire and explosion hazard from mixing oil and oxygen. The operation proved to be simple. The torpedo was carted to the middle of an open field, where a junior rating was handed a wrench and instructed to open the oxygen valve after the rest of us had retreated to a safe distance; in response to a shouted order he spun open the valve and darted to safety. High pressure oxygen whistled out around the oily torpedo, but there was no fire or explosion - that time. It was far safer to go into combat armed with that mighty Japanese oxygen torpedo, though, than with our Bureau of Ordnance's poorly designed and inadequately tested Mark 14s and 18s, which sank at least two of our own submarines through lack of an anti-circular-run mechanism. << The remainder of his story is equally fascinating. Regards, Tom Eisenhour -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: ship visits >> I was watching the local news on Sunday and as they broke to commercial the showed the view from the harbour cam and lo and behold I could have swore I was looking at a great hunk of USN hardware in the guise of a carrier. I didn't even know one was visiting, which brings me to my question: Is there someplace on the web one can check to see what warships are visiting what cities? At least this way I could find out in advance and plan ahead to make sure I could get down to see whatever is in town. << I understand your frustration, this has happened to me more often than I can count: seeing a ship on the news or hearing about it after the fact. Don't think that joining all the local Navy support groups will help either. Nor does an affiliation with a museum/organization. Recently in the SF Bay, we had a 'mini fleet week' when an amphibious battle group showed up one weekend. Tarawa, Duluth, Anchorage, and David R. Ray... If not for a squib on the local news weather segment, and a frantic call from a friend, I'd've never known about it. And judging by the total lack of crowds in SF (I didn't have to wait for any tours and had Anchorage all to myself), no one else knew either. Turns out, the captains of these ships decided at the last minute to come in for a weekend liberty, so this visit was completely unscheduled. And just because a ship is in town, doesn't necessarily mean it'll be open for tours either--that is at the whim of the CO, and even then don't count on the ship's store being open. Usually the guy with the keys to it is off on liberty himself. All I can suggest is keep plenty of film with the camera and keep your weekend plans open. I tell ya, these Navy types just don't understand ship fans and our need to collect :-) s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts SMML Convention and tour notices: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html If your coming to the SMML convention on friday, we need to know which tour you planning to attend so that we can get an accurate head count for transportation. Contact John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com and let him know which tour you plan on attending. If you are going on a tour, you need to be onboard the USS Salem no later than 10:00am on Friday May 5th. We will open the ship starting at 9:00am for those who would like a cup of coffee and some schoozing before departure. For those of you who are not going on either tour; the USS Salem will NOT be open to the public on friday (Crew will be on watch to repel boarders if provoked ) so please do not show-up at the ship on friday unless you are attending the tours. Check out Convention and tour info at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML meeting >> Could you put a list on the site of the folks planning on attending the SMML meeting? Also could everyone please remember to bring their medication or the conspiracy theories may get out of hand. << Hi Fellow Shipmodelers, We will be posting the attendee list next week. We are still getting some replies and cancellations. Please be patient. Our next meeting on SMMLcon 2000 will be Saturday at 1000 on the Salem in Quincy. Will John Lambert please get in touch with me, I lost your address in a computer crash last month. John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "feed" Subject: SMMLcon pictures Hi Shane! Do you think it may posible for you to post some nice pictures of the SMMLies guys and the models brougth with them attending the convention? It would be a nice thing to know who is who in our beloved site. I visit it everyday. I can't go to sleep without checking it first. Regards FEED Hi Feed, Thanks for the nice comments about the site. I'm sure we'll post any & all pics from SMMLcon - even, or should I say especially the embarrassing ones ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Shipcamouflage.com update I have just added hundreds of new entires for the USN warship camouflage database. The following sections have been updated: Battleships Aircraft Carriers Light Aircraft Carriers Escort Carriers Light Cruisers Heavy Cruisers All Destroyer Classes I have also added the following classes to the Destroyer section: Sampson Class Wickes Class Clemson Class I am now working on the Amphibious Ships and Destroyer Escorts and will let you know when they are ready. John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Mike Hall" Subject: Seals-Models Pre-Order Special Hi all, We at Kitlink.com have the all new Seals-Models (rumored to be an ex-Pit-Road employee who started this new company) Japanese Battleship "Mikasa" coming in from Japan within 2 weeks, and are accepting pre-orders at $37.95. This price is good until 4-27-00. Shipping in the U.S. is $4.95, $8.95 to Canada, and $16.95 Worldwide. I have seen a test shot of this kit, and turn-of-the-century ship modelers will love it! http://www.Kitlink.com Happy Modeling Mike Hall Kitlink.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume