Subject: SMML VOL 895 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:27:35 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: older US Battleships 2: Re: Warship magazine 3: Re: P-51 4: Re: San Francisco sights 5: Nantucket lightship 6: Buff for Olympia 7: Re: Lightships 8: Re: lightships 9: Re: Warship Magazine 10: Queen Mary 11: Lightships 12: Re: Sellotape/Durex 13: Blue Water Navy moved??? 14: Re: Los Angeles Class stern 15: Tumblehome 16: S-Boat plans 17: Shinano plans 18: Clear coat Yellowing 19: Bremerton, WA 20: Introduction -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: National World War II Memorial - Senior Living 2: Warship Models Underway Site Update 3: Re: PT-212 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: older US Battleships >> I think the oldest American battleship you will find (besides Oregon) is the USS Arizona 1921 by Tom's modelworks, in 1/350. Not what you wanted, but the best I can think of! This kit holds a special significance for me as it depicts the ship when my grandfather served on her, if only I could get the time or cash to build it! I'm not sure if it's still in production. << There is also the reissued Revell Olympia (a cruiser actually but still of the period) also the Commanders/Ironshipwright Olympia and Maine kits in resin. The Tom's 1921 Arizona is unfortunately OOP. BTW if anyone has one that they are willing to part with, please contact me off list. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Warship magazine I believe No. 49 was indeed the last. I remember it as it had an article on HMAS SYDNEY which was Part 1 of a two-part set. We never did see Part 2. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bill Rowe Subject: Re: P-51 The P-51 could be called the first allied aircraft. From Bill Gunston's FIGHTING AIRCRAFT OF WORLD WAR II, "In April 1940 the British Purchasing Commission concluded [a contract]with "Dutch" Kindelberger, chairman of North American Aviation, an agree for the design and development of a completely new fighter for the RAF. Designed built and flown in 117 days, this silver prototype was the start of the most successful fighter program in history." The British part of the design were the load factors, which were lower the the USAAC's. This resulted in a lighter airplane. There is a background to the contract, clearly the BPC and NAA talked before the contract was signed, that isn't as well documented. The radiator in the rear fuselage had been purposed in the UK, if the idea come from the BPC, was picked up by NAA, or develeoped independently isn't clear. Rolls Royce developed a wonderful engine in the Merlin. They did it by committing plenty of resources and throurgh testing. The US version of the story is the Packard improved the manufacturing. Later the Allison V-1710 became a very good engine, but the Merlin was good first. The MB-5 is I think a later plane. Wm. Geen says if an effort had been made it might have made WW2. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Re: San Francisco sights Hi All RE the fellow asking about sights in San Fran - I heard on the radio yesterday that there is also a large icebreaker in town right now, they said it was the "largest non-nuclear icebreaker afloat" or something like that; you might check that out by calling the Coast Guard and asking. Tom D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John Clements" Subject: Nantucket lightship Fascinating to see all the messages about lightships, and sad to think that they have disappeared, having seen several in the Channel and North Sea. My connection with the Nantucket boat is that there is a story in my family that the Olympic ran it down in fog when my maternal grandfather was first officer in about 1920. As he later became captain, of that or one of the other '-ics', I can't exactly remember which, he obviously wasn't on watch at the time. I'd be glad if anyone could confirm the truth of this story, as I never met him myself (he was much older than my grandmother and died in the late 30's). Leading on from that, I discovered last year that the wooden panelling from the Olympic's first class dining room is now cladding the dining room of the White Swan Hotel in Alnwick, Northumberland, where we had an undistinguished meal in evocative surroundings. John Clements -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "wblad" Subject: Buff for Olympia U. S. Navy buff wasn't tan or brown. It was very light yellow - officially "light straw color." The preserved Olympia in Philly is painted the correct shade. Pictures are available on several websites. wblad@msn.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Mike Dunn Subject: Re: Lightships Stuart wrote :- >> Anyone interested in lightships who lives in northern England should check out TS Lord Nelson in Norwich, Norfolk. While it has had most features removed it is an interesting vessel. It is of similar hullshape to the Revell lightship. << Erm, check your atlas again........ The last time I was around the North of England, Norwich was well to the south and east, indeed stuck out to the east......and the Lord Nelson can often be found around Middlesborough (which IS in the North East) but not for the next few months as she sails around Europe (and I think she's crossing to the US) with the Cutty Sark Tall Ships Race. Now I realise that the UK is a hellova lot smaller than Oz, but there is no excuse for this mistake! Sheesh, is that what all the rain in Victoria does to the brain????? ;-þ. I suppose trying to teach you is like getting a crowd into Colonial - a hard task ;-)))). Mike ex North East of England, near to Peter Hall (Oy Peter - gonna visit HMS Ocean during the S/Land International Air Show? I hear she'll be berthed a few days by the glass museum, and then be in Whitburn Bay for the Show - I need a model of her, and photos, I'm desperate - ask Caroline !!!!!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: Re: lightships >> Anyone interested in lightships who lives in northern England should check out TS Lord Nelson in Norwich, Norfolk. While it has had most features removed it is an interesting vessel. It is of similar hullshape to the Revell lightship. << Obviously a different Lord Nelson. The one I saw last summer in Oban, Scotland is a three-masted barque. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Erhardtsen" Subject: Re: Warship Magazine >> Could someone please post the numbers of the magazine Warship before it became an annual. Thank you John Hi John, I have number 49, 1989 so I'd assume at least to number 52 with it possibly starting as an annual only in 1990? Shane << Number 49 was the last quarterly number - it never became a bound volum. (it was rather difficult to get) Erik Erhardtsen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Queen Mary Hi Al The photos I've seen seem to indicate something like AP507B Medium Grey which rapidly became very worn and weathered. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Lightships British lightships also followed the same pattern as the American ones. Red hull, white upperworks and the name of the location in big letters on the side. One of them even became a base for the first pirate radio station, 'Radio Caroline' in the 60's. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Tim Perry" Subject: Re: Sellotape/Durex Thanks Shane! Obviously another urban myth shot down in flames! AND, it shows us pompous Brits are just as gullable as anyone else! Clearly, without documented PROOF, we ought to treat any other so-called 'facts' with great care! I think there is a lesson to be learnt here..... Anyway, Happy May Day One and All, Up the Workers, I say! Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Blue Water Navy moved??? Tried to access Blue Water Navy's web site yesterday and it has been moved. They used to have a banner on the Navismagazine site but it's gone. Does anyone know their new URL? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Los Angeles Class stern >> Okay - I'm confused.......I admit it and am stopping for directions. I'm building the DML Dallas 1/350 boat number 770. The kit gives two options for the stern. One option has vertical fins at the ends of the control surfaces - One option does not. I can't seem to figure out which version to use with the most modern ship of this class. Help.... << One of my favorite questions... The Los Angeles class boats (688 flight 1, flight 2 and 688I) NEVER had the vertical stern end plates found on the DML models. (Yeah, I know, The Hunt for Red October film is wrong!). Saw off the the vertical fin version (carefully) and replace it with the other stern. I give DML credit for issuing the corrected stern. The vertical end plates were present on the preceding Sturgeon class (637) of attack sub and are present on the Ohio SSBNs. The "two stern" version of DML sub models originated in the USS Hampton (688I) kit, which unfortunately suffers from a very incorrect VLS Tomahawk launch tube arrangement. Also, if (as in the Hampton kit) they give you two propellers, use the larger CLOCKWISE turning version (as viewed from the rear). The smaller counterclockwise version is wrong in both configuration and direction of turn. Tom Dougherty PS: I plan to bring 1:700 scale resin models of a Sturgeon, early 688, 688 (Improved) and Seawolf (SSN-21) to the SMML convention for display. These have the correct stern, propellers and VLS (688I) configurations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Andy Hampa Subject: Tumblehome Hello everybody, I saw this in a post yesterday and in a few other articles. Could someone please explain to me what tumblehome is? Thanks, Andy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: linda ikuta Subject: S-Boat plans Hello Everyone Being new to the ship building hobby. I was wondering who might carry plans for a german S-Boat in 1/32 scale. Where should I start looking? Thanks Dale Ikuta -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "David Mullins" Subject: Shinano plans Hi, List! I am trying to find plans for the IJN carrier Shinano, preferably in 1/350 or larger scale. I've tried several sources with no success. Anyone have a set for sale? I'm working up for a future project & this has been the hardest item to locate. Thanks In Advance! David M. Amarillo, TX. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: Clear coat Yellowing To the person who asked for info about clear coat going yellow: I've been using the Humbrol and the Polly S clear coats for years, and the only model that shows some yellow is one that was left in the direct sunlight at a hobby show. My models don't get any direct exposure to sunlight, and the one that went yellow has not got any worse now that it's on the shelf. If your models are in the daylight, move them! In colour photography, a photo that is too yellow can be reprinted with a blue correction to get rid of it, blue being the opposite of yellow as far as prints go. You could try a clear coat with just a miniscule drop of blue in it. I've never tried it and the many experts out there please correct me if this is a bad approach, but you could start with a small area on one model and see if it fixes the problem. You'd have to experiment for just the right amount of blue to add. Hope this helps..... Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Michael John Zwierko Subject: Bremerton, WA Barring any last-minute changes, I may be stationed in Bremerton, WA, for about a month. Is there anything interesting to see or do near the naval base? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: melvin@ctx.com.tw Subject: Introduction Dear Sir: My name is Melvin. I live in Taiwan. I really like warships of different eras,especially from WW2 to nowadays. Of course I like to build model ships of completely authentic presentation according to ship plans and photoes. But ship model building is not popular in Taiwan. Neither resin model kits nor reference books can be easily find out in Taiwan. But there are still few people enthusiastic in ship modeles building like me. And their ship model works are really perfectly wonderful. I hope that I can know more people and information of ship model fields. Also wish the website will be nicely presented. By the way, I am building the 1/700 modern US NAVY Burke class Flight-2. Do you have any idea where can I get the close sight photo about it? Book or Website? Thank you for replying to my home e'mail adress: melvin1@mail.apol.com.tw Best regards Sincerely Melvin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts SMML Convention and tour notices: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html If your coming to the SMML convention on friday, we need to know which tour you planning to attend so that we can get an accurate head count for transportation. Contact John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com and let him know which tour you plan on attending. If you are going on a tour, you need to be onboard the USS Salem no later than 10:00am on Friday May 5th. We will open the ship starting at 9:00am for those who would like a cup of coffee and some schoozing before departure. For those of you who are not going on either tour; the USS Salem will NOT be open to the public on friday (Crew will be on watch to repel boarders if provoked ) so please do not show-up at the ship on friday unless you are attending the tours. Check out Convention and tour info at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: National World War II Memorial - Senior Living TO ALL AMERICAN SMML SHIPMODELERS We all enjoy modeling WW II ships - US, Allies, as well as former enemy ships. The WW II Memorial fund needs your help. I understand that they have donations covering approximately 75% of the 100 million needed. Please download the attached. On the second message you can view the memorial planned and make a donation on line or by mail. Make a donation please - we all enjoy our good life because of these WW II people's sacrifices; hundreds of thousands gave the ultimate sacrifice - their lives. Go to Ask Jeeves at: http://www.aj.com/ & type in: National World War II Memorial - Senior Living - Date: 08/08/99 Thank you, John USN - 1944 to 1946 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Warship Models Underway Site Update It has been a busy week for me! Check out Warship Models Underway: http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm The WMU site has been expanded with: A new Gallery - check out working 1/48 scale models of a Bellona class cruiser - HMNZS Royalist, and a tribal class, HMCS Athabaskan, and see a couple of my models pale in comparison Expanded how to section - Although a lot covers radio control issues - shafts, installing decks, etc., you might find my article on scratchbuilding propellers interesting. There is also a section on working with one of my favorite products, catalyzed filler putty. More Links! Message Board Even a page about my dog. What more can you ask - and it's all free! Enjoy! Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html (Even that site has finally been updated!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: PT-212 Hi Guys: It's me again, T. Garth Connelly. As I mentioned in a previous posting, I have an old, already built but in disrepair 1:100th kit of PT-212. I have been able to locate a place (H-R Products) to get the 20mm guns and the 40mm Bofors in 1:96th scale. The kit has one of its twin .50 caliber guns but is missing the other one. Does anyone out there have one laying around that they don't need that I could have? As I stated in the previous posting, I have a general block on my incoming email. This is to block SPAM email. You'll have to write me at home first so that I can add your email address to my allowed list. My address is: T. Garth Connelly 9 Heather Road Ellington, Connecticut 06029-3610 USA Thank you, T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume