Subject: SMML VOL 896 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:38:51 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Buff Paint 2: Burke Class DDG Photos 3: Re: Tumblehome 4: Re: Adding blue to clear 5: Jon Collins and U-505 6: Tumblehome 7: Re: tumblehome 8: Re: TUMBLEHOME 9: Re: Bremerton 10: Re: Tunblehome 11: Toms Bismarck & Tirpitz set reviewed 12: Re: Tumblehome 13: COMPUTER GLITCH - The National World War II Memorial 14: HMS Victory book and question 15: Re: Introduction 16: Schnellboote Plans 17: Re: Nantucket lightship 18: movies - U-571 19: Re: WW II Memorial 20: PT109 21: HUGE Photo source 22: Re: Tom's USS Arizona 23: Re: Skysweeper 24: SS United States 25: Re: PT Boats 26: APMA site re-launch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: APMA site re-launch 2: W.E.M. Telephone/Internet Problems -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Wressell Subject: Buff Paint Sean O'Brien asked about buff paint for the Oregon and Olympia. I'd suggest Floquil Railroad colors - Depot Buff. Have used it with good results. Also he should get in touch with White Ensign Models for his WWI battleships. white.ensign.models@dial.pipex.com John Wressell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Rob Mackie Subject: Burke Class DDG Photos >> By the way, I am building the 1/700 modern US NAVY >Burke class Flight-2. Do you have any idea where can >I get the close sight photo about it? Book or Website? << There is a Walkaround on the Warship site at http://warship.simplenet.com/burkehea.htm with with many color photos of USS Hopper, a recently launched Burke class DDG Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Tumblehome Tumblehome is the sloping in of a ship's sides from waterline to deck level. In other words the beam is greater at the waterline than at the deck. It was a very common, one might say universal, feature in the days of wooden sailing ships which had a rounded hull without the straight sides found on modern steel ships. It was also not uncommon on early warships, the so-called "Elswick" cruisers frequently featured tumblehomes. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Adding blue to clear >> You could try a clear coat with just a miniscule drop of blue in it. I've never tried it and the many experts out there please correct me if this is a bad approach, but you could start with a small area on one model and see if it fixes the problem. You'd have to experiment for just the right amount of blue to add. << You are correct about the blue. I posted this fact a while back and it does work. My big, white B-70 has noticeably yellowed over the years. About a month later I painted another model the same color, using the clear coat with a few drops of blue added and applied the same number of coats. To this day the model has never yellowed and is now over 7 years old. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Puckhead93@aol.com Subject: Jon Collins and U-505 Well, if you think wating all that time was probably worth it try this, the first time I went to see the sub we waited for probably an hour just to see the sub, and then the lights in the buliding went out. Just when we were next to go. Power on that whole side of the city was out and everyone had to leave the building. Imagine that for a vacation! Josh Mayne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Tumblehome Hi Andy Tumblehome is when a side of a ship or railway carriage curves outwards in a gentle arc. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: tumblehome >> I saw this in a post yesterday and in a few other articles. Could someone please explain to me what tumblehome is? << Tumblehome is the inward curve of the hull sides to meet the deck. On small craft such as lobster boats, crash boats, classic mahogany runabouts, etc., this inward curve typically transitions from the outboard flare at about 2/3 of the way aft. If you were to view the hull from astern, the deck would be narrower than the hull at the waterline and the sides of the transom would have a fair curve from waterline to sheer. Tumblehome is less common on larger vessels, especially 20th century warships. The 82' POINT class USCG cutters of the 1960s had a small amount of tumblehome aft. However, it was very common on 19th century and earlier vessels. Extreme examples of tumblehome can be seen on French naval vessels around the 1880-1900 period. The USS BROOKLYN of the Spanish/American War era displays extreme tumblehome amidships, forward and aft of the sponsoned turret. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: TUMBLEHOME Tumblehome is the inward curvature of a ship's side from the waterline to the upper deck. It was first used by the Venetians who believed that gun decks which carried heavy cannon should be narrow to make maximum strength of the deck beams (i.e. shorter therefore less bending moment) which supported the gun decks. It has been used on modern ships for a variety of reasons chief among which is to reduce tonnage for purposes of calculating dock and canal dues. The turret cargo ships of the early twentieth century are an extreme example of this. Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Kdg345@aol.com Subject: Re: Bremerton To the individual asking about Bremerton, WA sites. There is a maritime museum in Bremerton near the Ferry Landing. It has had, in the past, about a 10 foot model of the USS Hancock CVA-19 that was used during its recommissioning in 1954 when I was a part of the crew. Also, I just read about a Coast Guard museum in Seattle that I would like directions for. Ken Groom Kent, WA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Tunblehome This definition from _Shipbuilding Cyclopedia_ (1920): "Tumble Home. The decreasing of a vessel's beam above the waterline as it approaches the rail. (The opposite of flare.)" John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Foeth" Subject: Toms Bismarck & Tirpitz set reviewed I've made a small review on the new etchings by Toms Modelworks. They are quite handsome sets at a very decent price. The sets compromise the number of detail parts for a low price ($18) and should be well suited for beginners, budget contrained builders, or modelers who do not wish to spend a lot of time on gluing PE detail. Fortunately, its low price by no means means that the quality is lowered, as the set is very good and well etched. You can find the review and scans of both sets here: http://home.wish.net/~vandijk/ (Go to review) http://home.wish.net/~vandijk/fotos/toms_bismarck.jpg http://home.wish.net/~vandijk/fotos/toms_tirpitz.jpg Note the delightful radars for the Tirpitz (And Bismarck as well, as a matter of fact) and the funnel cap grill. I only added scans of the detail fret, but a fret with railing is in the set as well, so it is a complete set. BTW, we got over a hundred hits from SMML-ies, so I think we'll pursue the idea of the "on the slipway" site! EJ Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Re: Tumblehome Hi Andy, >> I saw this in a post yesterday and in a few other articles. Could someone please explain to me what tumblehome is? << To put is simply, it's where the waterline width of the ship is greater (wider) than the width of the main deck. The hull curves inward as it approaches the main deck. Some of the best examples of this are pre-dreadnought French battleships and cruiser with what's called "exaggerated tumblehome". Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: COMPUTER GLITCH - The National World War II Memorial Re my e-mail of 4/27 the "included page" is incorrect. If you wish to donate to this worthy cause please download the attached revised message. Recap Telephone: 1 800 639 4ww2 E-mail: custsvc@wwiimemorial.com Fax and snailmail: Download to page one then download again on "donor program" on page two. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards. John Kutina http://www.ask.com/webtvmirror/MetaAnswer.asp?MetaEngine=AltaVista&logQID=650100E6341DD411831600A0C9FC3DED&qCategory=NEWS&qSource=0&frames=yes&site_name=Jeeves&scope=web&r=x&MetaTopic=The+National+World+War+II+Memorial&MetaURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwiimemorial.com%2F&EngineOrdinal=2&ItemOrdinal=1&ask=+National+World+War+II+Memorial+metasearch&MetaList=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwiimemorial.com%2F&Go_to=GO%21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: HMS Victory book and question I have just received a copy of the new USNI Press publication "HMS Victory, Her Construction, Career and Restoration" by Alan McGowan. This is a very impressive book which covers the history of the ship in words, photographs and drawings, with particular emphasis on her post-Trafalgar years and the various periods of neglect, repair and restoration since 1805. Of special note are the splendid drawings by John McKay, the author of the HMS Victory volume in the Anatomy of the Ship series. In fact, the drawings almost make this a second or companion volume of that work. The only duplications of drawings between the two books are of the basic plan and profile views and these have been graphically enhanced or rendered for this book. The majority of the rest are three dimensional views of all aspects of the ship, from overall layout of the hull, to fittings, armament, spars, rigging and sails. I found the drawings of the rigging to be of particular interest as they illustrate many details of this very complex and somewhat bewildering aspect of the ship with beautiful logic and clarity. The only thing lacking from the drawings is the comprehensive notation found in the Anatomy series. I would recommend this book highly to anyone interested in or modeling the Victory. My only complaint is one I have about all the books that I have seen about the Victory, which is they are almost totally devoted to the ship as she was at Trafalgar, with little or no information on her earlier appearance. I have never seen any drawings of the ship for any other period except Trafalgar. The book also did not answer a question that I have had for some time concerning the Heller kit. The kit appears to be a fairly accurate representation of the ship as she is today except for one rather obvious exception, that being an extra gunport on each side in lieu of the entry ports and canopies at the middle deck. Why would Heller produce a large and expensive model with such an obvious discrepancy, especially of such a well known and accessible subject? (French revenge?) Was this configuration correct for any time period? Since the ship is supposedly restored to her Trafalgar configuration the assumption is that the entry ports were present at the battle. It is interesting, however, to note that many of the contemporary drawings and sketches of the ship during and immediately after the battle do not appear to show entry ports, and it seems logical that an extra gun on each side would be more useful during a battle than entry ports. Perhaps they were removed for the battle and then replaced? Any enlightenment on this question would be greatly appreciated. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Re: Introduction Howdy: Welcome to SMML. I found a few photos of the Burke class destroyers on the "Warships of the World" page at: www.warships1.com You'll also find tons of pictures of all sorts of warships from all time peroids from all around the world. Happy hunting. Cheers Mike Connelley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Schnellboote Plans The KM's Schnellboote were very interesting and attractive vessels. While there is enough published information to do a very credible job of the early types, the later versions, especially the S-100 and later boats with the enclosed armored bridge are a bit problematic when it comes to the cockpit and the bow 2 cm gun mount. A set of plans in 1:25 is available from Christian Schmidt in Munich. These are basically tracings of the official general plans, and are very accurate but not well- researched and sparse on detail. There is no view of the cockpit instrument panel, for example, the gunner's elevation and traverse handwheels are not provided, etc. Foch's book, "Fast Fighting Boats" provides facsimilies of the original general plans scaled to fit the page, as well as nice photos. It is an excellent reference book. If anyone knows of detail photos of the Schnellboot's gun tub and cockpit I'd like to know about it! I am sure that they exist somewhere, since numerous E-boats were taken over by Allied navies, including the USN, the RN, and the Soviet and French Navies, the as war prizes after WWII. They must have been photographed. Nobody answered the recent question about a preseved E-boat. I guess they've all been scrapped? Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Leif Snellman" Subject: Re: Nantucket lightship >> ... there is a story in my family that the Olympic ran it down in fog << That's correct. On May 15th or 16th 1934 Olympic rammed and sunk the Nantucket lightship in deep fog. Of a crew of 11 there were only 3 survivors. Olympic had later to be dry docked in Southampton for repairs. Leif Snellman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: movies - U-571 A fair and accurate review Title: movies / War Is Swell by PETER RAINER (05/01/00) http://www.newyorkmag.com/page.cfm?page_id=2955 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: CapnAgee@aol.com Subject: Re: WW II Memorial I just can't give money for memorial which will stand in D.C., but I will continue to donate and support real memorials in the form of ships and aircraft spread across the country! I'm the son a WW II vet and 20 -year Air Force retiree. When I walk the decks of Kidd, Hornet, Bowfin and others or touch the wings of an F-51, Spitfire, Liberator or Corsair, I reach into the past and honor the men and women who crewed them. Feel and live the war. You can never do that at a marble memorial. Support the many memnoials already established and take your children, grandchildren and friends to visit the many museums honoring World War II's heroes. That 100-million should could work wonders across the country. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Michael O'Rourke" Subject: PT109 Just picked up the Revell PT 109 and could use some help on painting it. Colors etc....... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: d gregory Subject: HUGE Photo source Here is the site for the Australian War Memorial, with a SEARCHABLE collection of over 200,000 photos. Found stuff I didn't even know existed. http://www.awm.gov.au/ Dave Gregory The P.T. Dockyard Hi Dave, Couldn;t agree more mate - it's excellant. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Peter K. H. Mispelkamp" Subject: Re: Tom's USS Arizona Hey Bradford, I just saw one today on Ebay in their model boats and warships listings. My question: I remember seeing years ago - talking the early 60's here (so now you all know that I am a real relic!!!) - a series of UPC warships in 1/400 scale. They had all three of the Yamato class in 1/400 (I am the proud owner of their unbuilt Shinano- never bothered with the other two because I was able to snag their [much better] Nichimo 1/400 scale counterparts) and swear that I saw both of the Bismarcks and at least one if not two USS Iowa class ships as well. Recently I saw somebody selling a a 1/450 scale UPC Bismarck kit and this makes me wonder if wonder if my youth lead me to assume that all the ships I saw were in 1/400 scale - or if UPC actually produced two separate series? To cut to the chase - did UPC (or anyone else?) ever make any 1/400 Iowa's - and no, I am not looking for any 1/450 or 1/350 scale versions. I compared a 1/450 Iowa class ship against my Heller Bismarck et al, and the difference was just to obvious. TIA and happy modeling. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Ed & Eleta Malewitz Subject: Re: Skysweeper Renwall made a very nice 1/32 scale kit of the Skysweeper 75 mm automatic AA gun. Late '50's-early '60's. I had one but was too sloppy on the glue to make the rotating ammunition drums work. Ed Malewitz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: EBENCARL89@aol.com Subject: SS United States hello, i have a question i got the model of the S. S. United States and was wondering what color are the decks which the two smoke stacks rest on gray or green. Most liners have gray around the stacks on the decks . I know most of the decks were green. thanks, edward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "philip knell" Subject: Re: PT Boats >> I am building a 1/32 Elco 80 PT boat. I'm wondering where I can find good detail pics of control panels, masts, exhausts, bottom side, etc, hopefully of later models. This will be R/C equipped. What size props should I be using, are they couter-rotating, how many blades? Thanks. << have a picture you may find interesting. check out the following link there is a picture in this website of a pt boat taken from overhead showing great details. www.crosswinds.net/~lff phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts SMML Convention and tour notices: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html If your coming to the SMML convention on friday, we need to know which tour you planning to attend so that we can get an accurate head count for transportation. Contact John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com and let him know which tour you plan on attending. If you are going on a tour, you need to be onboard the USS Salem no later than 10:00am on Friday May 5th. We will open the ship starting at 9:00am for those who would like a cup of coffee and some schoozing before departure. For those of you who are not going on either tour; the USS Salem will NOT be open to the public on friday (Crew will be on watch to repel boarders if provoked ) so please do not show-up at the ship on friday unless you are attending the tours. Check out Convention and tour info at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Shane Subject: APMA site re-launch Hi gang, Well, stage one of the APMA site upgrade is done & online. Check it out at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm Regards, Shane APMA VP http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Subject: W.E.M. Telephone/Internet Problems Hi again everyone, I was hoping by now that good old British Telecom would have got their act together and sorted out the phone lines. Unfortunately they haven't, so, White Ensign Models has been kept in gloomy silence. The promises made by BT didn't come about and Dave & Caroline are still waiting on them to get reconnected, it seems that there has been a major break in the lines somewhere. Please may I convey their apologies once again a ensure everyone who has placed an order, or had any queries with them, recently, that they will be seen to as soon as possible. All the best Peter Hall White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume