Subject: SMML VOL 899 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:50:50 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Patrol Frigates 2: Re: HMAS Canberra 3: Re: HR Products 4: 1:400 KM Destroyer 5: Re: USN tugs 6: Re: German destroyers "Z" armament 7: Re: Response to Joel Labow 8: The Konigs? 9: Sunken Arizona 10: S-Boat Plans 11: USN colours - Spanish American war 12: Re: USN Tugs 13: Re: German "Z" Destroyers 14: Type IID U-Boat Colors 15: Ms 22 16: Navy Tugs 17: KM Destroyer Correction! 18: Re: S-Boats & PH Cam 19: Iron Shipwrights 20: PE Letters 21: OT: NZ/Velojet engine? 22: Re: Ms. 22 Camouflage Question 23: Re: USN Harbor Tugs 24: MTB Review 25: USS Nitro (AE-2) 26: 1:700 ships-new line available./ 1:700 & 1:300 Napoleonic ships 27: Submarine Boats 28: German destroyers "Z" armament -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: SMML Con Directions 2: Directions to SMMLcon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Books For Sale items 2: USS Forrestal Detail and Scale for Sale 3: Commander Series Update 4: Warship Issues for Sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: Patrol Frigates >> Now the questions: (1) is there a kit of a River class boat? (2) is there some way to find out the state associated with each of the following names: >> Eugene PF40 (Oregon??) Sandusky PF54 (possibly Ohio?) Beaufort PF59 (could it be for that little town in SC where I was born?) Lorain PF93 (presumably Ohio, for the shipyard where it was built) ? << Any and all help mucho appreciated. << John, As for the kit, great news! Go to http://www.commanderseries.com/ and click on "Kit Specials" As for the names, look at http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/ under "Patrol Craft". They have a small entry on each ship including where the name comes from (if they know). They say that Beaufort is the town in SC! I know how you feel, PF69 is Davenport, named after the Iowa town I'm from (should look great next to BB61!) Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Russell Smith" Subject: Re: HMAS Canberra The reference books on this one can be confusing! Here's what I came up with last year when I was researching for mine: .5" machine guns. one each side on platforms at the back of the bridge even with the foremast, Single 2pndr pom-poms two each side on platforms out to the ships side at a point between the first and second funnels, 4 - Single 4" guns there simply never was time to refit her with the doubles.and single 20mm on B & X turrets. Most of this information comes from HMAS Canberra By Alan Payne and printed by The Naval Historical Sociaty of Australia 1991. They don't list the 20mm but they are clearly visable in photos taken as the Canberra left NZ in July of 42. This book also list 4 - 3Pndr saluting guns, two each side between the after structure and X turret just fore and aft of the main mast. Whitley's book on cruisers says these were taken out and I believe they were because no sign of them appears in the photoes in Bob Ballards Ghost Fleet of Guadualcanal which has many good pictures and shows the single 4" still in place. I know many references don't agree but these two have photoes to back them up and I asked Mac Gregory the officer on the bridge at the time of the attack by email last year about 4 or 8 barrel pom-poms amd he said he didn't remember them ever being installed and quoted Alan Paynes book about the guns firing during the afternoon air attack earlier that same day. I have some photoes and information he sent me last November or December if you would like copies please contact me off list at this email address. Russ Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: HR Products Re: Jon's request for web site of HR Products it is http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~hracct -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: 1:400 KM Destroyer Good, inexpensive references for Narvik class destroyers are Marine Arsenal vol 33 and 36, Die deutschen Zerstorer" I & II Lots of pictures, and some are even useful. Available from Christian Schmidt in Munich. Also, I highly recommend Anthony Preston "An Illustrated History of the Navies of Word War II" Its sort of a coffee table book, however, there are numerous detail photos and technical drawings of many subjects, Allied and Axis. In particular the book has the original KM general arrangement plans for Z 37 -39, including hull sections. There are also two nice profiles of a pre-war KM destroyer. Check interlibrary loan. It's a common book. The Heller kit is very sparse on detail but the outline appears accurate. Yes, the kit torpedo tubes are missing details like compressed air plumbing, etc. The above references will answer your questions on the flak guns. The single gun shields of the KM were open at the rear. They did have provisions to close them with canvas (and I think metal doors in some cases) as protection from the elements. The twin turret was fully enclosed. The block on the single gun roof in the kit is incorrect and should be filed off. However, it was common to stow a raft on the turret top; I suppose the kit designer incorrectly interpreted a stowed raft as something integral to the shield. Rafts painted grey, light yellow and occasionally red. Dave Hi gang, I agree with recommendation with the Anthony Preston book (I forgot about it the other day :-( ). It's widely avaialable here in Australia for $19.99. I picked up a copy last year at Angus & Robertson. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: USN tugs Craig Bennett writes: >> I remember hearing about this 4 months ago. Supposedly in January the USN discontinued using it's own harbor tugs and went to contract operations for them. My question did they decide to dispose of them all or did they just transfer them to the private companies who got the contract. Is this story even true? Any one hear anything. << This has been going on for some time now. The Navy has been contracting off and on with Civilian tugs for years, but in the last few (I don't remember when it started), they are switching whole bases over to civilian tugs only. In San Diego, for example, Choest has the contract. In fact, Choest also carries the DSRV's down there. If the name rings a bell, it might be that Robert Ballard has used Choest vessels in some of his expeditions on the West Coast. These tugs look nothing at all like their YTB predecessors; they are modern "Tractor Tugs", painted bright Orange and yellow/buff. (My the way, a 1/96 scale kit of these would be very popular amongst the R/C types, like me !) I believe Choest has the contract for Mayport too. When I was at Norfolk last year, I believe I saw Moran tugs helping out when a CVBG came in, but Norfolk still had active YTB's too. In San Francisco, when naval ships come in, they are usually assisted by either Bay/Delta or Foss Maritime. There is no more permanent naval presence here anymore. Cordially, Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: German destroyers "Z" armament One of the Shanes wrote: >> I'm about to start building a Heller Z-31 and want to do more than just glue it together. Since it seems that references - even single photos - for these things are almost as hard to find as real ones I thought I'd ask a few generic questions << There are a lot of pictures available for those ships. On great series is from the Naval Historical Center. These are photos NH75372 through NH75410 - very nice views of the Z-39, which was allocated to the US Navy after the war. For information on obtaining copies of these photos, go to: http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/nhcorg11.htm Two good books are: Die Deuschen Zerstörer 1935-1945 by Gerhard Koop and Klaus-Peter Schmolke ISBN 3-7637-5940-9 Vom Original zum Modell: Die Deustshcen Zerstörer 1935-1945, by the same authors. ISBN 3-7637-5941-7 Hope this helps, Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: DRPREUL@aol.com Subject: Re: Response to Joel Labow Joel you'll be happy to know that the Arizona model is not going anywhere. It was purchased by the Fleet Reserve and is a permanent display. Bob Sumrall only contracted the model, it was actually built by Glenn Staubitz. Glenn made a solid hull, bread and butter construction, then made a Fiberglas mold, then cast one out of Fiberglas. I have the original hull. I have already started a new model of the Arizona to replace the old one. The old one has a lot of inaccuracies, plus is very detailed. It will be ready for the 60th anniversary in 2001. If you have a chance to go back, there is a model of the Akagi in 1/96th scale. It has been there since May of 1997. Bob Sumrall got the contract for that one also but, John French and myself built that one. Hope this clears up the misunderstanding. The plague on the model of the sunken Arizona has been changed. Don Preul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Bill Code" Subject: The Konigs? Hi guys, I havent seen anything on the list about the ICM Konigs being shipped yet? Were'nt they supposed to ship around the 20th of last month? I'm beginning to get a feel for how NASA must feel about the Russians work on the new space station. Oh well, There first big ship kit. hopefully they will ship soon... regards Bill Code -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Sunken Arizona Hey all Bob Sumrall's model of the sunken Arizona is still on display at the Visitor's Center. I saw it there last week. Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 808-263-6087 buzz@aloha.net A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: S-Boat Plans >> I had a look at the S-Boat on the 32nd Parallel website. Looks like a nice big kit. But again, as far as details go, the designer seems to have been working from the basic general arangement plans and has not included correct cockpit and gun tub details. << The kit is not greatly detailed at all and is oriented toward RC. There are no plans or details for the cockpit, forward gun tub, or the torpedo racks. There is a blurry photo in the instruction manual which shows part of the cockpit, but it is not very useful. The exception is the guns, which are very detailed mini-kits in themselves, but the majority of the kit is pretty basic. A good starting point. The boat at Bremerhaven appears to be a Jaguar-class boat from the 50's. These were very attractive vessels that supposedly incorporated many features of the WW II S-Boats. I have seen them referred to as the ultimate development of the classic torpedo boat. Many years ago Graupner made a model of one, the "Dachs", I believe in 1/45 scale, again for RC. It is nice to see that one has been preserved. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: halld@squared.com Subject: USN colours - Spanish American war Does anyone have a suggestion for the shade of grey used by the USN during the Spanish American War? I am contemplating a Revell 'Olympia' and would like to do her in her wartime colors. My understanding is that the white and buff colors were all overpainted grey... I have seen some contemporary prints but I'm not sure if one can trust the dark grey that they portray. Any advice appreciated, and thank you in advance... David Hall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Re: USN Tugs Craig Bennet wrote - >> I remember hearing about this 4 months ago. Supposedly in January the USN discontinued using it's own harbor tugs and went to contract operations for them. My question did they decide to dispose of them all or did they just transfer them to the private companies who got the contract. Is this story even true? Any one hear anything. << I was a bit surprised last month to see all the YTBs at Norfolk out of service, with plywood covering their windows. They were tied up alongside the civilian tugs that Craig asked about, directly in front of the Port Operations building. I assumed the Navy tugs were considered old and obsolete compared to the newest private types, but that's just a guess. The acting Director of Port Ops joked (?) that the YTBs could be used as fenders for the big ships during the next hurricane, if for some reason they couldn't leave port. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: German "Z" Destroyers Hello Shane Weier I also have the Heller Z-31 or the french version Marceau. I am also apart of the problems of this model and sincerely I didn't start it because I have changed to 1/700 scale a few years ago and the 1/400 was fortgot (exception for the subs). It is in the closet until the day I will start bigger scales again. For this magnificent destroyer class I have a few pictures and plans of them. So if you won't them contact me off-line and I will scan them for you. Happy Modeling. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "FCR" Subject: Type IID U-Boat Colors Hello to all Once again I am starting to build another model that I am not familiarized with it: The WWII U-Boats. I already have the Dragon Type XXI but that's other project and just this past week-end I've bought the Type IID of Mirage at 1/400. I am quite surprised with the size of the submarine, I believe that it is the smallest one in my 1/400-1/350 submarine fleet, it is so small, only 11 cm's. Because of that I thought that this was a "5 minutes ships", in naval modelism terms, so I already started it. Unfortunately I don't have many information about this class and again I ask for better color references for the model itself. It brings for the upper hull the Humbrol 123 and for the lower hull the 128. 123 is also recommended for the deck!!! Confirmations, please. Thanks in advance. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Ms 22 Could be Ms19. What is the date of the photo in question? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Navy Tugs In response to Mr. Bennett's request for info about USN tugs in SMML #898: I remember seeing a news update in Workboat Magazine lamenting the loss of all the U.S. Navy tugs. They reported that the ex-USN tugs would have to be sold to foreign (outside U.S.) operators because it would not be cost effective to refurbish the tugs to meet stringent U.S. standards in regard to environmentally hazardous materials used in their construction. I assume that means asbestos, etc. The private towing businesses currently contracting their services to the Navy appear to be using mostly state-of-the art harbor tugs. If anyone out there has access to general arrangement plans and lines for the YTB class, circa 1980s-1990s, let me know. I'd really like to print them in Model Ship Journal as a plan/photo feature. Victor Baca Photomarine Archives -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: KM Destroyer Correction! My previous post was incorrect! Some of the 15cm single turret gun shields actually did have a box structure on the top as on the Heller kit. This seems to be a feature of the later destroyers. As for the purpose of this ... I do not know. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: peter samolinski Subject: Re: S-Boats & PH Cam Hello again: two items: 1) I contacted someone who "should know", and he told me there weren't any extant S-boats. 2) Would you please repost the web address for that Pearl Harbor {Ford Island?] cam. Thanks! Pete. Hi Pete, The url for the Pearl Harbour cam is: http://www.dohc.com/aloha/ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: Iron Shipwrights I just have to write something about the folks at Iron Shipwrights/Commander Series. I have had dealings with several "cottage industry" manufacturers and some of the big boys, and I'm generally satisfied with the service I've gotten. Some have taken a bit more prodding than others, but I almost never have to resort to the "I'm a lawyer, you know" stuff. But Ted Paris and Jon Warneke have got to be some of the greatest people I've ever dealt with! A while back I pre-ordered their HMS Nelson and when it arrived I had some questions about some of the parts. Jon actually got my telephone number from my e-mail and CALLED me to make sure he understood what I was asking. All parts I had any questions about were cheerfully replaced in a hurry. And this wasn't just a new kit thing, they've been more than available on older kits as well. These people are just great, and I think they deserve not just a mention (which I'm happy to give them completely unprompted) but our business as well (which I'm also happy to do). Thanks Jon and Ted!! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: PE Letters hello all, i hope this is not too far off topic, but i was wandering if anybody knows a company, who produces brass photoetch sheets of letters and numbers. I had an idea to make brass plates for my models and instead of engraving the name and the date of the model, which would be too expensive, just cut and paste the name and the date on a brass plate. thanks in advance Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: OT: NZ/Velojet engine? Hi all - This is somewhat off-topic, although sometimes used on boats, BUT - a friend doing research here with a Jetex egroup I am on wants me to ask any of our New Zealand-based modeler friends: >> Intensive web searches reveal no references to the NZ-made "Velojet", a Jetex-type engine. Can ANYONE provide ANY info on this? << I know, it's OT a lot but here at SMML you've got the greatest collection of modelers and model hobbyists around! I figured you guys are our best shot. If this is too obscure, you can contact me off-list at: tdetweil@imaginemfg.com Thanks Tom in Rocklin, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Ms. 22 Camouflage Question >> My understanding of Ms. 22 is that the dark band (Navy Blue 5-N) was ALWAYS supposed to run parallel to the horizon, so what gives here? << Not "Always". I'm sure like all of the USN camouflage measures, some liberties were taken with the application. Here's what SHIPS-2 had to say about the application to the vertical surfaces: *********************************** Method of Application Navy Blue 5-N To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point, as shown on Plates XIV to XVII.. The upper edge of this Navy Blue area should be horizontal. Haze Gray 5-H All remaining vertical surfaces and all masts and small gear. *********************************** >> Does anyone know of other examples of Ms. 22 where the dark panel parallels the sheer? << Yup. Take a look at pictures of ship painted MS22. Some follow the horizon, some follow the shear. >> If, on the other hand, these are really examples of the late-war version of Ms. 12 (with Navy Gray and Ocean Gray on the hull) and not Ms. 22 at all, did the late-war Ms. 12 call for the dark panel to parallel the sheer, as the earlier (1941) Ms. 12 did? << First off, there is no such thing as "Late War MS12"; at least not according to official records. MS 12 was officially discontinued in June 1942 with the introduction of SHIPS-2 revision 2. If you read the above description of MS 22 it states that the upper edge of the Navy Blue are "should" be (not "will be"; big difference in Navy Speak) horizontal. As for using the Neutral Grays instead of the standard 5-H in MS-22 (MS 22 does not use Ocean Gray 5-0 at all), it is acceptable that they would use less blue in the Haze Gray simply because there was a shortage of the blue tinting material 5-BTM during 1944. John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: USN Harbor Tugs Craig Bennett wrote: >> I remember hearing about this 4 months ago. Supposedly in January the USN discontinued using it's own harbor tugs and went to contract operations for them. My question did they decide to dispose of them all or did they just transfer them to the private companies who got the contract. Is this story even true? Any one hear anything? << This may have been the final chapter in a gradual process. In the '80s, when I was homeported in San Diego, most of the harbor tug services were provided by civilian contracts. I think there were 6 or 8 civilian tugs and 2 or 3 USN tugs, supplemented by a number of gray USN Port Services "pusher boats", looking like LCM6s converted to aid in the tugging role. At any rate, the few San Diego YTBs (Navy harbor tugs) weren't getting an younger. My "Ships & Aircraft of the US Fleet", 14th edition (1987), shows a bunch of YTBs (YTB = "Big Tug", as opposed to YTM="Medium Tug", all from the '40s) built in the '60s & '70s. I'm still looking forward to hearing what happened to the last few YTBs, though. Question: How come we have so many SMML folks from the Pacific Northwest, where there's only a token Fleet presence and so few verbal folks from the San Diego area? Rick Heinbaugh Seattle, WA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Marc Flake Subject: MTB Review Well, Loren beat me to the Wichita review. I second his motion, everything he said about his applies to mine. I especially like the 20mm pedestals. The only improvement I could suggest is a detailed two - or three-view profile. I have Friedmans, so I won't need it. Just a suggestion. Remember when Steve was talking about making works of art? Buy this kit and you will understand. Incredible. Now, on to review Listmember T. Garth Connelly's "Vosper MTBs in Action." This book details the BRITISH Vospers from the first, private ventures to the late war types. There are lots of pictures, about half are close-ups. This will be great for superdetailers. There's even a few below decks shots for those thinking about detailing interiors. I was able to answer several questions I had about two 1/72 scale models I've built -- like where and how the anchor is stowed on the Airfix Vosper. There are also four shots of the Vosper that inspired the Revell kit. These boats all went to Russia, but there are photos of boats be tested off Rhode Island -- including close-ups of the superstructure and torpedo tubes. I wish there had been more on the Russian Vospers. But, I know how hard information on this is to come by. (Boy, those Russians take horrible photographs.) This book will be a valuable addition to your library. Hopefully, it will inspire some manufacturer to make some more 1/72 scale boats. (I know there are some out in 1/350 and 1/96, but I want 1/72 and that's that.) I may even try converting the Revell boat into one of the earlier Vospers. Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Sue & Jim Timmons Subject: USS Nitro (AE-2) To: Paul Jacobs Editor 1250 Page http://warship.simplenet.com With regard to your request for material on the AE-1 and AE-2 referenced below: " When recently I posted a request on SMML for material on PYRO (AE-1) AND NITRO (AE-2), I got one reply (thanks to John Snyder) directing me to one photo in NARA! Well, I've got access to other photos, such as those in DANFS, Janes FS, other books and some WW II U.S. ID manuals, but try building a model when you've no deck plans or overheads.", I would like to refer you to our web site for the USS Nitro Association: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/nalc820/ussnitro.htm We are accumulating a large amount of information on both the WW2 Nitro and the Nitro AE-23. As far as I know, there are no ship plans available for the AE-2. We have been collecting as many pictures of the AE-2 as possible and have a substantial collection. I can take a look at what I have and give you a list of what we have available. Let me know if you think any of these items may be of help. Jim Timmons Vice President USS Nitro Association -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: 1:700 ships-new line available./ 1:700 & 1:300 Napoleonic ships Hi; Not sure how many of you would be interested but there is a new line of 1:700 ships available. Napoleonic waterline models from Skytrex, LTD. Since this company is in the UK I believe White Ensign might be able to get them. Or check Skytrex in the Manufactur`s Directory at: http://theminiaturespage.com This is a wargamer`s site. Skytrex makes mostly wargames miniatures. The 1:700 ships have white metal hulls and other parts, with photo-etched sails and ratlines. I haven`t seen them yet, but I do understand that they are pricey! Skytrex usually does a good job on their larger scale miniatures. While we are at it I will mention the 1:300 Napoleonic ships from Rod Langton, also UK. I have seen pictures of these and they are beautiful. Langton also can be found on the miniature page. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Cooper, Mike" Subject: Submarine Boats Hiya Does anyone have a copy of Richard Compton-Hall's Submarine Boats that they want to get rid of? Mine's disappeared and its out of print, I think! If you'd like to reply off-list to save overworking Shane (hiya) plaese mail me on coopmik1@hotmail.com. I'm happy to pay "sensible" prices and postage etc. Mike Cooper (Who still hasn't finished his Algerine scratchbuilt from last year) Reading UK - where there is a peculiar light in the sky, which itself is a funny colour - sort of blue... OHMIGOD, you mean it's clear in Reading!!!!!! Break out the single malt mate ;-). Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Shane Weier Subject: German destroyers "Z" armament Hi all, Last night I posted: >> One other question (with maybe a supplementary) I asked if the WEM 1:400 generic German brass would be of any use building this kit and had no answers. I hope it wasn't to avoid offending the Carters, so I ask it again. << ....and I must have had too much red to drink. The brass I'm asking about is GMM, not WEM. It must be oldtheimers disease kicking in, Shane. Shane (the older) Naw, must have been the cheese mate ;->. Shane - the Younger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts SMML Convention and tour notices: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html If your coming to the SMML convention on friday, we need to know which tour you planning to attend so that we can get an accurate head count for transportation. Contact John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com and let him know which tour you plan on attending. If you are going on a tour, you need to be onboard the USS Salem no later than 10:00am on Friday May 5th. We will open the ship starting at 9:00am for those who would like a cup of coffee and some schoozing before departure. For those of you who are not going on either tour; the USS Salem will NOT be open to the public on friday (Crew will be on watch to repel boarders if provoked ) so please do not show-up at the ship on friday unless you are attending the tours. Check out Convention and tour info at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: SMML Con Directions Hi, A few people who are driving to SMML Con 2000 have asked for directions. At the USS Salem Website: http://www.uss-salem.org/ .. there is a link for visitors: http://www.uss-salem.org/visit.htm .. that has directions from the north and south. For those coming from the west via I-90 (Massachusetts Turnpike) take the I-93 South (Southeast Expressway or Fitzgerald Expressway) exit and follow the 'from the north' directions from there. For those staying at the Best Western in North Quincy, follow Route 3A south through the city, or ask the front desk; they should have directions. See you Friday or Saturday. Larry Ouellette Quincy, Massachusetts, USA Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) U. S. Naval & Shipbuilding Museum http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Directions to SMMLcon What, Guys asking for directions? I thought it was a macho thing to get on the road and point in the general direction and GO! For those who surf the net, the museum web site has directions, (www.uss-salem.org) . For those who want to put their trust in a poor brain fried mechanical designer, then I'll try. First, get a map (You're gonna need it!) Find Quincy. Quincy is the first city directly south of Boston on the water. Salem is at the south-eastern corner of the city right at the bridge that crosses the Fore River. The address is 739 Washington St. which is route 3A on the map. If you cross the bridge you went too far. Now the hotel is at the exact oppostie end of route 3A in Quincy on the Boston city line on the Neponset River. To get to the museum from any direction you need to get to the intersection of route 3, Interstate 93, route 128. This is directly south of Boston on Interstate 93. If you come out of Boston you will see a sign that says USS Salem Exit 8 (or 9?). Please ignore this sign unless you are a masochist. You need to get to where these roads merge in Braintree. South from Boston bear left towards Cape Cod (Route 3). If you are comming south from the Mass Pike or from Interstate 95 from Rhode Island on Route 128, bear right towards route 3 and Cape Cod. The exit is marked Quincy Center. Follow the signs for Quincy center and you will be on Burgin Parkway. You will start seeing blue signs for USS Salem. You can believe the blue signs, there just aren't enough of them. At the fifth traffic lite the sign says go right. Do so and go one block to the next lite and right again (Hancock St.). Go about one mile until you see what looks like a shipyard diagonally left across the intersection and take a left (East Howard St.) Go all the way past the shipyard to the far end of E Howard and take a right at the light. This is Route 3A (Washington St.) Go one block and you are in a rotary (roundabout to those from the UK) The entrance is off the rotary on your right. Look for Harbor express signs as well. If you don't see the ship, you are not in Quincy. Go home and try again. For those flying in and staying at the Best Western/Adams Inn I must recommend you contact the Inn and use their free shuttle service. The hotel is on North Hancock St. right at the Neponset River bridge. Comming South out of Boston on Interstate 93 take exit 12. This loops you aroud back under the highway after paralelling it for a few hundred yds. You will see the signs saying to bear right for Quincy. Go over the bridge and take the first off ramp. Go around to your left until you are going back the way you came but stay right and go under the bridge and the hotel is right in front of you. I told you to get a map. Go to www.bestwestern.com and search for Quincy, Massachusetts, USA. Click on the word map and look for the icon for the interactive map. Please print it. Now that I have wasted everyone's time I'll leave you all. Anyone has any inquiries or comments, contact me. Any questions when you get in, I can be reached at work at 1-781-229-1901 ext 278 until 3:30 on thursday. After 5:00 at home 1-781-982-9364. The Friday tours have to leave at 1100. Someone will be at the ship during the day even though it is not open to the public. Good Luck, See you all Friday. John Frohock -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Derek Frost Subject: Books For Sale items FOR SALE. Prices in $US & postage is extra. A full Sale List with complete descriptions of books is available by email on request: "AIRCRAFT CARRIERS OF THE WORLD, 1914 TO THE PRESENT. AN ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA". R. Chesneau. 1998 edition. Hc. 288pp. Over 400 b/w photographs & line drawings. New. $23.00 "CRUISERS OF WORLD WAR TWO. AN INTERNATIONAL ENCYCLOPEDIA'. M.J. Whitley. 1996 reprint. Hc. 288pp. Prof. Ill. b/w. new. $26.00 "WARRIOR THE WORLD'S FIRST IRONCLAD THEN AND NOW. A. Lambert 1987. An in-depth review of the ship and also it's restoration. Hc. 192pp. Prof. Ill. b/w photos and drawings. No dust jacket available. Vg+. $18.00 "RUSSIAN WAR FLEET". 1996. A review of the Russian fleet from 1700's to Present day. The book is illustrated with very good full color paintings of the vessels described & b/w scale side view drawings.Pictorial boards. 119pp. Russian text. Vg+. $14.00 "RUSSIAN WAR FLEETS 1914-1917"". 1996. Russian fleet during this period with a large selection of b/w scale drawings of all classes of ships. Sc. 224pp. 32 pp of b/w contemporary photographs. vg+. $20.00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SJantscher@aol.com Subject: USS Forrestal Detail and Scale for Sale Hi All, Just picked up this book at a "going out of business sale". D&S vol. 36, USS Forrestal book. I know somebody out there might like it. I'm asking $13.50, and that includes first class postage in the US. Rest of the world, contact me for rates. If you're interested, contact me off list. Thanks and good luck Steve Jantscher Minnesota -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ironship@usit.net (Jon Warneke) Subject: Commander Series Update Hi Everyone, We've added some new kit specials to the website, so please go take a look and see what's available in honor of SMMLcon. Jon Warneke Commander Series Models, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Warship Issues for Sale I have the following issues of Warship for sale: No. 42 (April 1987) - articles on the Polish submarine Orzel, the armored cruiser Minotaur, the surrender of the Italian fleet in 1943, IJN CA Tone, US Mothball Fleet, US Submarine Losses in WWII. No. 44 (October 1987) - articles on airships at sea, IJN CA Tone, Diadem class cruisers, Hunt Class escort destroyers, US Submarine Losses, and the Orzel. No. 45 (January 1988) - articles on the sinking of the Musashi, the destroyer Hermes, F Boote of the Kriegsmarine, US Submarine Losses, Landing Craft through the Ages. I'm asking US$7.75 plus shipping. Thanks, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume