Subject: SMML VOL 901 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 01:03:32 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: PE Letters - Homebrew etching 2: Re: HMAS Canberra 3: Re: Mail hassles 4: Re: 20 mm tripod mounts 5: 19th Century Boston harbourmaster 6: Re: Plane crash 7: Re: Building Hull for USS Memphis 8: Buildin Hull for USS Memphis 9: Re: Ms 18 and Ms19 10: Important Notice 11: Re: USN colours - Spanish American war 12: Iron Shipwrights 13: Mystery picture 14: RAM 15: Re: Ms 12 late war 16: Re: Hull building 17: Re: ISR 18: Mikasa 19: JAG Submarine USS Dolphin 20: Taiho 10cm turrets 21: Sitio Actualizado 22: Someone Please Help me out...... 23: Re: KM Destroyer armament -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: SMML CON Proceedings 2: SMMLcon 3: Re: SMMLcon ID's -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: ICM Konig Update 2: Mikasa Update 3: SS United States Foundation 4: Warship Books special SMMLcon sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: PE Letters - Homebrew etching Hello SMMLies: Peter wrote about PE letters. I'm sorry that I failed to pick up on the original post, but let me suggest an alternative method of obtaining PE letters and numerals. I've used this method to make etched brass shapes for detailing by substituting rub-on circuit card solder pad shapes for the letters. Materials: Brass shim stock (K&E or other brand) Rub-on dry transfer letters/numerals/shapes from local art/graphic supply store Ferric Chloride (PC Board etchant) from Radio Shack Enamel spray paint Lacquer thinner 2x glass jars, each large enough to hold the piece of brass paper towels 1) Spray paint on one side of the brass shim stock Apply several even coats. Allow to dry. 2) Rub the letters, numbers, shapes onto the unpainted side of the brass sheet. Be sure to burnish them down well. 3) Put brass into jar. Pour Ferric Chloride to cover metal. a) brass will begin to blacken and be etched away b) temperature affects speed of etching c) agitate piece occasionally and inspect for complete etching 4) Remove completed piece and rinse in tap water. You now have a paint chip carrying the etched metal shapes. . 5) Immerse the chip into the jar with lacquer thinner. This will dissolve the paint carrier and the rub-on transfer leaving the brass. 6) Pour off the lacquer thinner through a paper towel to strain the brass pieces. 7) Allow the towel to dry. Pick out the shapes with a pair of tweezers and sort them 8) Layout and apply the letters/shapes as desired. Hope this helps. Ed Mansfield, TX Ps: Observe the cautions on the Ferric Chloride. It also stains fabric and concrete -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Timothy Dike Subject: Re: HMAS Canberra There is an excellent article on HMAS CANBERRA in 1/700 by Lester Abbey on Navis Magazine (http://NAVISMAGAZINE.COM/). He uses the WEM Sussex kit to make the conversion to her Savo island appearance. If you have access, you might want to check it out. mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: Re: Mail hassles Was sorry to hear about Peter Hall's model being smashed up by "Royal Mail"-possibly the UK has even worse mail delivery service than the US, which has become the home of the inept, incompetent, and arrogant, and is further degraded by "equal opportunity" (QUOTA) hiring of the even less competent. The US Postal Service has become the home of the troglodyte ham-handed thumb-fingered single-digit IQ backward ballcap MORONS. As an E-Bay-er I have plenty of stories, now. More on topic, though, does Colpar Hobbies have a website? Tom in Rocklin, CA, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: 20 mm tripod mounts >> I am currently working on BWN's USS Farenholt, and included in the kit are two sorts of mounts for the 20mm guns. One being the standard resin pedestal, and the other PE brass tripod mounts. I have only seen pictures of 20mm's on the solid pedestals. How common were these tripod mounts << I can't comment on how common the mounts were. But I noticed the tripod mounts were used on all the submarines I had photos of when building my Gato. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: 19th Century Boston harbourmaster Long shot time.... I happened to be chatting to one of my colleagues from the AFV modelling world (I don't build vehicle models as well as not building ship models in several scales :o)) about the imminent SMMLieCon and he mentioned that he knew of a chap called Hiram Paulding who was apparently in charge of the harbour in Boston Massachusetts some time in the 19th Century. His name is also Paulding and he wonders if Hiram is a relation. Does anyone know any more about the chap (I said it was a long shot, but there are some people with knowledge of very odd things on this list.....)? Thanks. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) To: Subject: Re: Plane crash Greetings! The Star Tribune ran a story on the modified AT that augered in last month. The article was posted on AOL's news ticker. The pilot clipped a tree and ground looped the relic, ending upside down on the old runway, overgrown with grasses. He walked away with a broken wrist and other minor cuts and bruises...far luckier than the pilot that bought the farm during the filming of Tora-Tora-Tora. That too, was a modified Texan made up to resemble a Val dive bomber. Time had a blurp on the incident last week as well...said Disney was under the gun with problems and accidents. FYI... Naw, I don't want no cheezy poofs... Don -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: AandMBlevins@gateway.net Subject: Re: Building Hull for USS Memphis Replying to Major Vandamme re best/easiest way to build a hull for a static model. I have just completed two static models, one 20 inches in length and the second 34 inches in length. I prefer the bread and butter method using pine or poplar. If you use the buttocks (vertical lines) as the base, you can easily form the sheer of the vessel with each section, then cut out the plan. This is a very simplified reply, but if you need further information contact me at Al Blevins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Buildin Hull for USS Memphis Rich: Unless you are planning to use this hull for r/c there is no need for the fiberglass or resin alone. Plank up the hull, sand and use filler on any cracks or depressions, seal the wood then prime and paint. Fiberglass cloth only serves to strengthen a hull while the resin waterproofs it. You have need of neither added strength or waterproofing. Keep it simple. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Ms 18 and Ms19 I should have written Ms 18 and NOT Ms 19. I will try and go through the documents that I have in respect of the full details of Ms 12 1945 (revised). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Important Notice I have just been informed from a Canadian that the color of the Maple leaf worn on many Flower class Corvettes in WW Two should be GREEN and not red, as illustrated on the rear cover of the book Flower Class Corvettes by John Lambert in the Warship Perspectives Series. I would be very interested if anybody can confirm this along with a reference. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: USN colours - Spanish American war Concerning USN colors 1898 may I suggest the book Images of the Spanish American War April-August 1898 by Stan Cohen,Pictorical Pictures Publishing Co. 1997 it has actual photos and lithographs of the times. There is a lithograph of the Indiana which might be of help to you on this. Also I visited the Olympia for the 100th anniversary of that war and an Admiral of the USN was present and gave a speech on the Battle of Manila Bay and said that the squadron she was with was repainted in Dark Gray. Also I don't think they removed all the wood because Olympia's Pilot house is entirely wood and is the wall facing the bow belonging to the superstructure with the 2nd mast. On that occasion the pilot house was open to the public and inside was a large steering wheel, 2 engine control signalers, a chart table, and a bed. By the doorway was an early intercom system and a very primitive looking telephone. Hope this helps out Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Miguel Costa" Subject: Iron Shipwrights Michael, only say that you have deal with it in the USA, but i'm in Spain (Mallorca), and what you say about them, i agree with all of it, and the service that they give to international customers is "Five Stars" too. I think that all the people in this bussines are fantastic because they are modelers too, but Ted makes the good difference. And i have to mention to the people of White Ensing and the the great Rod Langton of Langton Ministures. Miguel Costa Palma de Mallorca Spain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Mystery picture Hi Guys, This link shows a picture of a Nimitz class carrier (perhaps CVN74??) with B-25's, a PBJ, a TBM, and an unidentified aircraft just ahead of the TBM. Does anybody know the circumstances here? The ship is obviously headed under the Golden Gate Bridge, but I'm not familiar with San Francisco to distinguish if it's inbound or outbound. http://www.bluejacket.com/carrier_out.jpg Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" Subject: RAM I purchased a 1/350th aftermarket product made by Fleetline in Australia to upgrade the DML Spruance and it included two Mk 31 RAM launchers. I do not know if the kit is still available or how accurate it is. I could take some micrometer readings from it and possibly come up with general measurements. I too am interested in 1/700th versions and want to mold some once I get some experience with mold making/casting. If someone would like to work with me on this just let me know... IHS, Ralph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Ms 12 late war >> Ms 12 WAS revised and reintroduced at the very end of 1944, it was then further revised in the latter half of 1945. Those ships that displayed paint lines that followed the sheer line, dated after 1941 and before the end of the war, would probably be Measure nineteen, which was introduced I believe in 1943. << Alan, It looks like we will have much to discuss this weekend at the SMMLcon . I would be very interested in seeing your documentation on the Late War MS12 and MS 19. John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Hull building >> Looking for opinions on the best way to build a hull. I am planning on building the armored cruiser Memphis (ex-Tennessee). I have plans to make about a 4-ft model and have also reduced them to about 2-ft. My question is what would be the best/easiest way to build the hull for a static model? I was thinking to build keel and frames, then plank over and then fiberglass. Is this a good plan? Should I use only one layer of the thinnest cloth or just use the resin? How thick will this be? Any help or comments would be most appricated. << I would do a traditional solid, bread and butter with perhaps a thin fiberglass overlay to provide a smooth surface. Much faster than a POF construction. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: ISR >> I could not agree more with Michael, it is not only the quality of their models which is excellent, But you have to add how they go way out to solve any problem, dealing with them is another rewarding part of my hobby Hurray for Ted & Debra Paris and Jon Warneke Alberto Rada << Couldn't agree more. I've known Ted for several years - he is really a great guy. BTW good to hear from you Alberto. Haven't seen you around much lately! You must be one of the few actually building models instead of sitting in front of the computer!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer Hey Bradford, That smarts!!!!!!!!!! Shane - who has been busy in front of a computer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Ed & Eleta Malewitz Subject: Mikasa I just received the 1/700 Mikasa in the mail. What a lovely little kit. Now, how about some Photoetch? Ed Malewitz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Robert Vancel Subject: JAG Submarine USS Dolphin I realize its just a TV show, but what was the footage of the wreck used in the episode? Robert "Hollywood" Vancel/nWMo Al Team # 78 Matching Night Vision Tiara sold separately... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Taiho 10cm turrets Tamiya's Taiho comes with Akitzuki class turrets for the 10cm twins. The plans in Jentschura and Model Art both show Oyodo type mounts (open at the back). Is there any hard information either way? Greetings, Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: roberto paredes Subject: Sitio Actualizado Hola a todos, Tal como les mencioné la vez anterior, en esta ocación me enfoqué un poco más al Ejército, es así como tengo por ejemplo: - Fotos y datos del M32 - El Lynx que el Ejército mostró en FIDAE - Foto y datos de los M8 Greyhound que tuvimos Por el lado de la Armada: - Más fotos del KH-178 - Al fin fotos de un modelo a escala, un KH-178 (mio) - Datos del Bv-206 Y mucho más, incluyendo bibliografía y modelos. Espero les agrade, Saludos, Roberto. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3389/HomeFFAA.htm Hi Roberto, et al, While I have no qualms whatsoever about posting non-english posts, please be aware that it may take a bit longer for replies to come in. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Courtney M Regan Subject: Someone Please Help me out...... Hi everyone. Well I've got cash burning a hole in my pocket ;-), so while I temporarily have it I would like to buy a 1/350 scale battleship model and I was hopping one of you out in SMMLand could help me out. Well I'd like to build either the USS MASSACHUSETTS (BB-59) or the USS CALIFORNIA (BB-44) either early in her career, or preferably as she was modified in WW II. I know that this is a long shot, but if anyone has an partial worked on or virgin kit of either ship in 1/350 scale, I'd be interested in possibly buying it. Also, to build a stunning and accurate kit of either ship I'll need plenty of reference material to help me out. So if anyone can offer suggestions, tips or how/where to get this kind of info., please e-mail me. Well anyone out there who can help me out with either query that I mentioned above, please get in touch with me ASAP. Thanks a lot Courtney Regan Boston, MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Re: KM Destroyer armament Hi I don't know if its any use to you but the Germans used the 15cm mounting in their coastal battery at Longues-sur-mer in Normandy. Three of the guns are still there in a somewhat pillaged state, but enough remains to get some pretty useful information. They do include the 'box' on top and whilst they appear to have some form of bracket attachment inside, whatever it is for has been removed. As an educated guess, could be some form of venting for the gases as there are holes on it. I have created some plans based on these guns in 1/38 scale (I model in 1/76 and this reduces easily). I also have a few photographs. Let me know if this might be of any use. Dan Taylor London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts SMML Convention and tour notices: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html If your coming to the SMML convention on friday, we need to know which tour you planning to attend so that we can get an accurate head count for transportation. Contact John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com and let him know which tour you plan on attending. If you are going on a tour, you need to be onboard the USS Salem no later than 10:00am on Friday May 5th. We will open the ship starting at 9:00am for those who would like a cup of coffee and some schoozing before departure. For those of you who are not going on either tour; the USS Salem will NOT be open to the public on friday (Crew will be on watch to repel boarders if provoked ) so please do not show-up at the ship on friday unless you are attending the tours. Check out Convention and tour info at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Dimitrios Apostolopoulos Subject: SMML CON Proceedings Folks, I was wondering if someone from those who will be attending the SMML conference is willing to capture the highlights of the presentations or videotape them. Thanks, Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: SMMLcon Greetings SMMLmates: I just wanted to extend my best wishes to all attending the SMMLcon this weekend. Enjoy yourselves and bring me back a t-shirt. Disclaimer: For the more literal among us, just kidding about the t-shirt. Jeez, what a tough crowd. Regards, John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: SMMLcon ID's >> Tom Dougherty's beanie should have a 7-bladed zero-cavitation propellor; probably you guys and gals could come up with better ideas. << You target guys are all the same.... Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Hall Subject: ICM Konig Update Hi all! I have spoken with ICM concerning an update on the new 1/350 Konigs, and I am told to expect them at my facility in early May, ( which is right now ) : ) So you all can expect to have your kits by mid to late May. We will ship ship them out just as soon as they arrive. (they left the Ukraine by surface shipping when I started pre-ordering them, and ICM expects them at their U.S. HQ any day now) Hope this helps, and happy modeling Mike Hall Kitlink.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Mike Hall Subject: Mikasa Update Good day to all. The Seals-Models Mikasa kits were shipped out to all pre-order customers on Monday May 1. So you should be recieving tham by the time you read this. After looking closely at the kits, I am more than impressed. They are Pit-Road quality, and are sure to make modelers smile. I can only hope this company releases more new kits! Regards Mike Hall Kitlink.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: FOP5@aol.com Subject: SS United States Foundation I would like to inform all member that live in the Philadelphia,Pa area or who would like to attend the up going meeting of the SS.United States Foundations in Philadelphia,Pa. on 17th June 2000 at 10:00am to 3:30 pm at the Seaport Museum at Penns landing.for more information and directions on where it is located and how to attend this event.You can contact Local chapter President. Jeff Henery at E-mail ff13970@aol.com Or 215-509-0432. The SS.United States Foundation Of Philadelphia P.O.Box 11233 Elkins Park, Pa. 19027. or check web site www,ssunitestates.org. Please help us save Big U. she is and still Holder of the Blue Ribban for the fastest ocean liner. Big U.is here in Philadelphia,Pa.and docked at pier #82 in south philly.you can not go on to the dock but you can still see Big U Form the street.Please come out and support us trying to save Big U. Acarmen J. Balsama Sr FOP5@aol.com Vice President Philadelphia Chapter SS.United States Foundation It is a non-profit foundation and all go to help save Big U. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Books special SMMLcon sale Hi group, In honour of what will hopefully become an annual event, I am having a sale. I have reduced the prices of the Warship Perspective series to the following: Canada $33Cdn USA $22US Int'l $22US These prices will remain in effect only until midnight (PDT) May 7, 2000. If you have been thinking about buying one of these tremendous books, you will never get a better opportunity. Please note: the prices will not be reflected on the Warship Books webpage. When ordering please ask for the special SMMLcon sale price. Keith Butterley http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume