Subject: SMML VOL 902 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:49:11 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Virus Warning 2: Re: Mystery picture 3: U.S. Mail is better than some think 4: Hull construction caveat 5: "Pearl Harbor" coverage 6: Trip to Rome 7: Re: mystery photo 8: Re: mystery photo, part 2 9: SMML posting I'd like to add, for help 10: Nimitz class outbound 11: Re: ICM Koenig 12: Re: S boat plans 13: Re: Someone Please Help me out...... 14: Warhead colors 15: Re: Mail hassles 16: Colpar Web Site 17: Mystery ship 18: Re: CVN Mystery Picture 19: Need some help before I buya a model 20: New 1/700 Kits 21: Need e-mail address of BWN owner.... 22: More news from Pearl Harbor 23: Re: About Roberto Paredes post SMML VOL 901 24: Re: Mystery picture -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: SMMLCon video -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS VIRUS WARNING Hi Gang, As I'm sure most of you already know, there is a new email virus on the loose. Ditch any incoming emails with the caption "I Love you". DO NOT OPEN the attachment. The following "latest news" is courtesy of Mike Dunn. All, Below is what we have on it. Note that there is a variant already ! LoveLetter.B Worm: - Very Funny.VBS A new variant of the LoveLetter worm now exists. The only difference between the original e-mail and the new variant is the e-mail subject line and the name of the attachments. Signature file version 11.17 detects this worm. The characteristics of the infected e-mail are: Subject line will show "FWD: Joke" The text of the e-mail will contain only an attachment named "Very Funny.vbs" While not highly destructive, it' a damn nuisance. Mike Check the following website for more details: http://www.f-secure.com/ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Derek Frost Subject: Virus Warning Subject: Virus Warning. In case you have not yet heard about it. Derek Frost The ILOVEYOU virus is already shaping up to be one of the most significant and wide-ranging attacks on computers and the Internet. The e-mail worm apparently originated in the Philippines, and is quickly spreading throughout the world, destroying files when opened. The best defense: Don't open the LOVE-LETTER-FOR- YOU.TXT.vbs e-mail message. Also if you see it in the subject field do not preview it either. Turn off the preview feature then delete the message. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David C. Maschino" Subject: Re: Mystery picture >> This link shows a picture of a Nimitz class carrier (perhaps CVN74??) with B-25's, a PBJ, a TBM, and an unidentified aircraft just ahead of the TBM. Does anybody know the circumstances here? The ship is obviously headed under the Golden Gate Bridge, but I'm not familiar with San Francisco to distinguish if it's inbound or outbound. http://www.bluejacket.com/carrier_out.jpg << The carrier is the USS Carl Vinson, CVN-70. From what I can gather from the CVN-70 website (http://www.cvn70.navy.mil/) this picture was probably taken in 1995. Judging by the photo, it would appear that the ship is outbound, but I may be wrong (I live in Michigan, so what do I know about California?!?). 1995: From Aug.26 to Sept. 3, Carl Vinson participated in Exercise Ke Koa and the commemoration of the end of World War II in the Pacific. During the commemoration, President Bill Clinton visited the ship in Hawaii and 12 historic warplanes from World War II were launched from the flight deck. One month later, the ship returned to the San Francisco Bay area and participated in Fleet Week, ’95, launching World War II aircraft, an F/A-18 Hornet and F-14 Tomcat, and an unprecedented launch and recovery of an S-3 Viking in San Francisco Bay. The carrier received its second Meritorious Unit Commendation for the 50th Commemoration of VJ Day 1995. David C. Maschino -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Loren Perry Subject: U.S. Mail is better than some think To those who take pleasure in trashing the U.S. Mail, please allow me this reply: My brother is a postmaster in Central Florida (near Orlando) and he's filled me in on what really takes place at the average post office. It would now appear that most of the post office's problems can be attributed not to the generally low quality of the post office employees, but of the average American use of the post office facilities. He's detailed many of the stupid things people have done while still expecting sterling service from the mail. It boggles the mind, and makes me all the more appreciative of exactly how terrific our mail system really is. Gold Medal Models has used the U.S. Post Office to transport its products to customers since the very beginning in 1986. Our results have been superb, with an unbelievably small percentage of our total volume experiencing any problems, and that accounts for tens of thousands of individual shipments and many hundreds of thousands of individual products over the years. So few have been our mail-related problems that they almost aren't even measurable. Probably a couple of dozen incidents overall. In contrast, we have used UPS for a very small number of dealer shipments and have experienced far more difficulties (including lost shipments) with them as a percentage of total movements. And Federal Express smashed up a GMM shipment to an IPMS Nationals in which a built up 1/350 Lusitania was thoroughly wrecked beyond repair when the large box it was shipped in was crushed in transit. Local post offices may expeience more problems than average, but we've seldon run into this. No business of the size of the USPS can expect a 100% perfect record, but the USPS comes very close. As a true mail-order business who depends on the performance of the postal employees in this country and elsewhere, I believe I am qualified to say that postal services in the USA are truly outstanding considering the vast quantity of mail they move every day. And the postal services of most other countries continue to amaze me with their efficiency. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Hull construction caveat >> ... there is no need for the fiberglass or resin alone. Plank up the hull, sand and use filler on any cracks or depressions, seal the wood then prime and paint. Fiberglass cloth only serves to strengthen a hull while the resin waterproofs it... << I beg to differ. Putty over wood is essentially a compound of dissimilar materials and caution must be exercised if the model is to be permanent. (Remember the discussion about the 1:350 resin carrier model that was ruined when its deck flew off when it got warm?) Wood reacts to tempuature and humidty by expanding and contracting to greater extent than filler putty, which is less flexible and prone to crack or flake. Over time, the dissimilar rates of expantion can possibly craze the finish, or cause nasty cracks and flaking. Unless you can make a seamless wood hull that needs no filler, I highly recommend a layer of fine fiberglass and resin. This will form a strong smooth coating over the wood and putty that will resist cracking and flaking. You will not need to seal the wood. Resin alone is also a bad idea, as applying it without the cloth defeats its intended purpose, which is to create a very strong crack resistant surface. If you are going to put up with the stink and hassle of resin anyway, adding the glass cloth is the easy part. Just use a chemical respirator from the hardware store not to breath the fumes, and wet sand only. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: "Pearl Harbor" coverage hey I've actually been covering the movie for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Here are a couple of links: http://starbulletin.com/2000/04/10/features/story1.html http://starbulletin.com/2000/04/29/editorial/special.html I've read the script, and it's essentially The Hardy Boys Go To War. Burl Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 808-263-6087 buzz@aloha.net A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Trip to Rome Hello Everyone, A good friend of mine is going to Rome, and, though he has no personal interest in warships, was kind enough to offer to visit and photograph warship models in museums there, if any exist. So, are there any Maritime Museums or exhibitions in Rome? For future reference, are there any other significant collections of interest to the warship modeler in Italy? Thanks in advance! Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: Re: mystery photo Hi Guys, >> This link shows a picture of a Nimitz class carrier (perhaps CVN74??) with B-25's, a PBJ, a TBM, and an unidentified aircraft just ahead of the TBM. Does anybody know the circumstances here? The ship is obviously headed under the Golden Gate Bridge, but I'm not familiar with San Francisco to distinguish if it's inbound or outbound. http://www.bluejacket.com/carrier_out.jpg << that's the Carl Vinson CVN70 (or Abraham Lincoln CVN72--both were homeported at Alameda) heading out the Golden Gate departing from Alameda Naval Air Station. If one could zoom in on the fantail the hull number is displayed there. The occasion was end of WWII festivities during Fleet Week, October 95. I was on the Bay Bridge when I saw the ship heading out that Friday--it was quite a sight. They launched the planes prior to the 'parade of ships' on Fleet Week's opening day (Saturday), then the Vinson launched F18s and 14s within the bay, in view of thousands of people along the waterfront. The aircraft that were launched were a TBM, F4U, B25s and they did a few fly bys as the fireboats were leading in the lead ship of the parade. It was quite a audio/visual-fest. s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: Re: mystery photo, part 2 further examination of the photo, and further jarring of memory, confirm that this is indeed the Carl Vinson (note fantail and block letters thereupon). The aircraft are B25s (one marked as a PBJ, though I don't think it really is one--I'd have to dig up close-up photos of it), TBM (in CV-12 markings), F4U (Marine markings--and just visible beyond the extreme stbd. B25 which is the Pacific Princess IIRC), and a Bearcat which is spotted just ahead of the TBM. Pacific Princess had been hoisted aboard CV-12, which was currently berthed at NAS, for Doolittle Raid festivities, earlier in the year and which, unfortunately, might have further cemented the belief that Hornet-12 was the ship of Doolittle fame, and not Hornet-8... All these aircraft are fixtures in the Bay Area airshow circuit and the B25s participated in various base closing, Doolittle Raider, and end of war events at Naval Air, Alameda. I've had occasion to burn several frames of film on all of them... s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Courtney Regan" Subject: SMML posting I'd like to add, for help Hi everyone. Well I've got cash burning a hole in my pocket ;-), so while I temporarily have it I would like to buy a 1/350 scale battleship model and I was hopping one of you out in SMMLand could help me out. Well I'd like to build either the USS MASSACHUSETTS (BB-59) or the USS CALIFONIA (BB-44) either early in her carrer, or preferably as she was modified in WW II. I know that this is a longshot, but if anyone has an partial worked on or virgin kit of either ship in 1/350 scale, I'd be interested in possibly buying it. Also, to build a stunning and accurate kit of either ship I'll need plenty of refrence material to help me out. So if anyone can offer suggestions, tips or how/where to get this kind of info., please e-mail me. Well anyone out there who can help me out with either querey that I mentioned above, please get in touch with me ASAP. Thanks a lot Courtney Regan Boston, MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: Nimitz class outbound Hi Rod, The carrier in the picture is heading outbound, which means she is leaving the Bay. Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: peter samolinski Subject: Re: ICM Koenig In response to Mike Halls' posting, I received an e-mail from ICM this very day (4th), and they tell me they're shipping "Koenig" on the 12th. There's also a poster available...race ya' for it!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Francis Macnaughton" Subject: Re: S boat plans Like Dave/GrafSpee34, I am also keen to get more info on the cockpit and forward gun position of the late war German S boat - in 1/24th scale you need a reasonable amount of detail if you are going to make it interesting! Edward Wischenmeyer's plan, available in UK through David MacGregor plans gives a reasonable feel for most of the upper deck and I have also supplemented my data with some photos available at the Imperial War Museum photo library along with a couple my father in law got at the time of the surrender in 1945 when he was serving at Felixstowe. The most frustrating is one where a line of matelots (RN) are on the foredeck being inspected by a Rear Admiral and a Captain who have chosen to stand right in front of the gun position blocking my view of the gun --step aside Stripey! Does anyone know of a German equivalent to the IWM which might have a photolibrary catalogue? Finally, the German firm Robbe recently released a 1/40th kit of this class of vessel which looks very good from the adverts I have seen, but I am reluctant to splash out over £200 just to get a closer look - has anyone bought this one and if so does it have a well detailed cockpit and gun positions? Always hoping Francis Macnaughton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Someone Please Help me out...... >> Well I'd like to build either the USS MASSACHUSETTS (BB-59) or the USS CALIFORNIA (BB-44) either early in her career, or preferably as she was modified in WW II. I know that this is a long shot, but if anyone has an partial worked on or virgin kit of either ship in 1/350 scale, I'd be interested in possibly buying it. << Courtney, My fully built BWN USS Massachusetts is on display onboard the USS Salem. If you are coming to the SMMLcon this weekend you will see what the model looks like and can ask me questions about construction, reference, etc. As for California, I can bring the Classic Warships model of this ship with me this weekend to the convention. John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com Unit# 631 of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Warhead colors Hello All: Say listen - I have some information that some of you might find useful. If torpedoes were carried by a ship/sub, their warheads were painted gray and if they were carried by a PT, the warheads were painted to match the color of the boat. The final color applied to the warheads was up to the torpedoman. Many were just very dark. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Charles Stephanian Subject: Re: Mail hassles I really don't want to veer in to off-topic land...but I enjoy reading this list for ship modeling info, not for uninformed, insulting venomous rants as posted by Tom Detweiler. I don't know what Mr. Detweiler does for a living, if anything, but calling an entire group of working people "inept, incompetent, arrogant...morons" serves no purpose other than to spew insults and demonstrate a mean-spiritedness that I wish were not welcome here. And, yes, Colpar Hobbies does have a website: http://www.colpar.com/ Hi gang, Any replies offlist please. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Colpar Web Site Colpar does have a web site but it doesn't show half the things that are in the store such as the new Larsenal 1/400 ships and the1/700 Audace Destroyers. [these are great looking castings.] Dunagain decals [Duane's brand], Loose cannon, Corsair Armada, Classic Warship, Nautlus, Viking, Iron Shipwright, White Ensign, Jag and even some old Jim Shirley kits. Short & Snyder color chips, GMM, Tom's Model works, Flagship, Plastic Ship Modeler and Model Ship Journal with Badger paint are on the shelf but aren't on the web site yet. Try the 1-800-876-0414 or colpar .com and if you are IPMS they give a discount. There are ten to fifteen SMML members in the area and they are forced to keep a pretty good stock to keep that bunch happy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: James Corley Subject: Mystery ship The ship is STENNIS (interpolated from name on fantail ... not quite readable, but enough of the right shapes) and IIRC she is outbound. Don't know the circumstances, but I would suspect that a reenactment of the launch for the new PH movie is a good bet (no sig. anniv. anytime recently) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: CVN Mystery Picture >> This link shows a picture of a Nimitz class carrier (perhaps CVN74??) with B-25's, a PBJ, a TBM, and an unidentified aircraft just ahead of the TBM. Does anybody know the circumstances here? The ship is obviously headed under the Golden Gate Bridge, but I'm not familiar with San Francisco to distinguish if it's inbound or outbound. http://www.bluejacket.com/carrier_out.jpg << Could be CARL VINSON. In August 1995, she was present at Hawaii for the commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the end of WWII. VINSON was part of a multi-national gathering of modern warships (including a couple of Russian ships) and a display of WWII vintage aircraft. I think there were 3 B-25s among the group. Some of the old aircraft in more marginal condition were ferried over onboard VINSON from San Francisco. A number of WWII veterans were over there for the celebration. I was there for my USNR Annual Training at CincPacFleet. One morning, at the MacDonalds at Waikiki, I had breakfast with a fellow who had been a Signalman on WHITE PLAINS at the battle off Samar. That was an experience! Naw, no cheezy poofs for me, either. Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Courtney Regan" Subject: Need some help before I buya a model Hi, Well I think soon I'd like to buy the Blue Water Navy 1/350 scale model of the USS Massachusetts BB-59, full Hull as she appeared in 1945. Before I buy the kit, I was wondering if any of you folks in SMMLand know of any magazine (i.e. Fine Scale Modeler), or web-site that I can go visit to see any pictures or reviews of the Massachusetts Model, either completed or pre-built. What I'd really like to see are as many pictures of the finished model as I can for reference, and to see how well the model can be built. Thanks a lot and I hope any of you folks can get back to me ASAP, if you have any help to offer. Courtney Regan Boston, MA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: New 1/700 Kits Mike Hall wrote - >> The Seals-Models Mikasa kits were shipped out to all pre-order customers on Monday May 1. So you should be recieving tham by the time you read this. After looking closely at the kits, I am more than impressed. They are Pit-Road quality, and are sure to make modelers smile. I can only hope this company releases more new kits! << The MIKASA by Seals is definitely a very nice kit. Quite similar to a Skywave model, as Mike and others have suggested. It comes on four sprues: two hull halves and deck, superstructure and masts and deck details, and two identical sprues with boats, guns, and ventilators, for a total of 118 parts. No doubt that will leave a few extra things for scratchbuilding projects. The instructions are 100% in Japanese but very easy to follow, and include a pair of overhead and profile drawings. Japanese decal flags are also provided. This was my first order through Kitlink.com, and their fast service was impressive. Also ordered from Kitlink was a 1/700 Modelkrak Russian BB PERESVETS. I mailed a photocopy of the instructions to a friend to translate from the Polish. They're extremely basic: one side shows an exploded view placement of only the biggest kit parts, so figuring out where the numerous small bits and pieces go may be trickier. At the very least he can tell me what the color guide says. The hull is very nice, with scribed deck and portholes, and no blemishes or air bubbles. Boat booms and small caliber guns are cast into the hull. There's about 1/8-inch of excess resin on the bottom of the hull, but that's no problem if the modeler plans to display the ship in a water setting. Aside from minimal instructions, it looks like a great kit. They need to improve packaging, though -- since the hull is heavy and wasn't wrapped in protective material, it must have rolled around in the box and some of the thin upper bulkheads were broken in several places, as were a few of the fragile small pieces like mast platforms. Modelkrak (www.jadar.com.pl) has a large number of Russo-Japanese subjects and claims that Spanish-American War and early WW2 (Pearl Harbor) ships are coming. No photoetch parts were included. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Courtney Regan" Subject: Need e-mail address of BWN owner.... Hi, Well I think soon I'd like to buy the Blue Water Navy 1/350 scale model of the USS Massachusetts BB-59, full Hull as she appeared in 1945. But before I buy the kit I'd like to ask a few questions to the owner of Blue Water Navy Company. Anyone out there in SMMLand happen to know the e-mail address of the owner, so I can ask him a few questions. Thanks a lot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Marc Flake Subject: More news from Pearl Harbor Two things of interest on the Pearl Harbor web page this week. One has to do with color movies of the ships involved in the attack. The other is an insightful article on the "Hollywoodization" of our history. The first may deserve some discussion at the SMMLcon. On the Formums site (http://members.boardhost.com/pearlharbor/), David Aiken, Director of Pearl Harbor History Associates, Inc. talks about two color film sources taken DURING the attack. A portion of these records were "lifted" in 1965. Several reels of Movietone filming was done AFTER THE ATTACK and HAND TINTED in color. This may require some second-thoughts on the Navy Blue scheme now thought to be incorporated in MS 1. Apparently there was a program on the History Channel Wednesday night in which color footage of Pearl was presented. Anyone see this? Comments? On to the next point -- the Honolulu paper (Star-Bulletin) had a special section on the movie, Pearl Harbor, written by Burl Burlingame. (Shane, isn't he a list member? - Yup - see above ;-> Shane) Read it at: http://starbulletin.com/2000/04/29/editorial/special.html Evidently, the column caused some concern at Disney, because a "rewrite" crew was flown in immediately after it ran. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: "feed" Subject: Re: About Roberto Paredes post SMML VOL 901 Don't worry Shane we are a few spanish speaking guys on the SMML. I am glad you let us have a spanish written post on it. Thank you FEED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystery picture It is the USS CARL VINSON. I believe she was on her way to Pearl Harbor for part of the VJ day celebration or something like that. Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts SMML Convention and tour notices: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html If your coming to the SMML convention on friday, we need to know which tour you planning to attend so that we can get an accurate head count for transportation. Contact John Frohock ca139johnf@aol.com and let him know which tour you plan on attending. If you are going on a tour, you need to be onboard the USS Salem no later than 10:00am on Friday May 5th. We will open the ship starting at 9:00am for those who would like a cup of coffee and some schoozing before departure. For those of you who are not going on either tour; the USS Salem will NOT be open to the public on friday (Crew will be on watch to repel boarders if provoked ) so please do not show-up at the ship on friday unless you are attending the tours. Check out Convention and tour info at: http://www.mikedunn.freeserve.co.uk/smml/help/smml_con.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: SMMLCon video Someone asked about video taping the seminars at SMMLCon for those who cannot attend. This came up a month or two ago and we (the organizers) discussed it at one of our meetings. My memory is foggy about the final disposition, but I can say there is no formal setup in place. I believe we also didn't want to get into copyright issues since some of the material being presented is the original product of the presenter. We also just don't have the equipment to film the seminars, or to provide tape in the US and rest-of-the-world formats. Some of us do have cameras though, so I'm sure there will be pictures posted at the SMML web site. You will then get to see the ugly faces behind the email addresses! 8-> ... and one babe in a bikini! (sorry Caroline) Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume