Subject: SMML VOL 912 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:55:39 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Things to do in Newport News VA 2: Re: Otaki 1:400 ship kits 3: Re: John Lambert 4: PT 109 5: Re: Kuznetsov 6: Concrete ships 7: Re: USS Oregon, Fidelity & WW I BB's 8: Re: USS Oregon, buff paint, sources, etc. 9: Re: USCG Models 10: Re: PT-109 11: Re: Eastwind Screw 12: Concrete ships 13: Re: Otaki 1:400 ship kits 14: Movie Update-Perfect Storm 15: Re: Newport News 16: Re: Newport News, VA 17: Re: Treaty Battleships 18: Re: Silliest Battlecruiser 19: resin hull bend 20: Re: Authenticity 21: Re: Newport News 22: Kuznetsov Flight deck color 23: Re: Newport News, VA 24: Sims Class Destroyers 25: US Naval Historical Center - Big Week -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: SMMLCON2 2: Re: SMMLcon 3: Re: SMMLcon 2 4: SMML-con -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Recent Warship Updates 2: International Maritime Modeling - Techincal Problems -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: Things to do in Newport News VA OP Sail 2000 is 16-20 some June, 150 plus tall ships. The Mariners museum has a show going on now with Nautical Research Guild, and the museum is a good visit on it's on. The Navy base at Norfolk is just across the bay and has a nice little museum and there is usually a number of ships that are open to the public during the summer there. The War memorial Museum of VA is in Newport and is a nice small military museum. It has some interesting armor displays. Ft Monroe is a pre civil war site open to the public and has a very interesting museum in the old fort built in the early 1800s, Williamsburg is just up the road and its a great historical place for things other than naval. Lots of golf in the area, as well as a number of amusement parks. Your friend should be able to find just about anything he wants to stay amused in the area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Joseph W. Reyna" Subject: Re: Otaki 1:400 ship kits >> Does anyone know what 1:400 scale ship models Otaki made in addition to their excellent USS Enterprise CVAN-65 kit no. OT 1-27 (quoted as OT 1-47 in D&S VOL.39), IJN Mutsu no. OT 1-34, and IJN Nagato no. OT 1-35, which I am in the process of building, and is a much better base for a decent model than the abortionate bath-toy 1:500 Nagato by Nichimo (unlike their excellent aircraft carriers, submarines ,and destroyers), or the 1:700 Nagato by Aoshima (also a dog). I believe Otaki did a 1:400 IJN Ise, which if anyone has got and wants to sell, I'd be interested in. Otaki sold the Enterpise moulds to Arii, and I'd like to know what happened to the others. << Michael (and other interested SMML-ies & -ettes) I've been collecting 1/400 scale warships for a bit, and also would be happy to learn that a 1/400 scale ISE exists, but after checking the product list of OTAKI kits in John Burns' Collector's Value Guide, I find only 1/400 kits of the MUTSU and NAGATO listed, kit numbers OB-34 and OB-35, respectively, for the non-motorized versions, and OT1-34 and OT1-35 for the motorized versions. For information OB-33 is the kit number for their 1/600 MUSASHI (I see no listing for a kit number OB-36), and kit number OT1-33 is for a motorized 1/600 MUSASHI, and OT1-36 is for a Speedboat. I know there are some pretty accomplished 1/400 scale collectors out there - so please let us know if a 1/400 scale ISE exists! I know that NICHIMO produced fairly nice 1/400 renditions of the YAMATO and MUSASHI, but no ISE as far as I know! These few Japanese battleship kits, along with the various 1/400 Japanese cruisers available, make wonderful complements to the range of Heller 1/400 scale German, French, and British Battleships and Battlecruisers, as well as the Tauro 1/400 Italian Cruisers. Now, since some Far Eastern companies are producing 1/500 scale carriers, would it be possible for them to issue some 1/400 scale carriers and escort ships? One can only hope! Joe Reyna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: Re: John Lambert Hi T. Garth Glad to hear John made it up to you in one piece....You'll find he is a fountain of information on a great number of things aside from Flowers...Ask him about the complaints filed against him when he was a "bobby"...Wonderful stories....Also glad to hear he is taking a nap....he claimed to get cranky if he doesn't when he was visiting me last week. You'll also find he is quite adept and third grade math homework according to my son (although he DID use a calculator)....Take care Glenn Arnold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: zwood@webtv.net (Zack Wood) Subject: PT 109 I beleive the !/72 scale 37mm gun was included in Hasegawa's U.S. Army infantry set, also FSM had an article some years ago on doing this kit Including mounting the 37 mm. Hope this helps Zachary N. Wood -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Kuznetsov Hello Zachary and list I already had once the Italeri Kuznetsov and I must tell you that the model is quite inaccurate if you compare it with the real one. About deck colors, if you are speaking of the flight deck certainly that it is of some sort of dark gray, about the other decks (structures, side and weapons) they are of some sort of red-brown. One excellent reference to detail and to guide you in the construction o this model is the Concord book "Kiev & Kuznetsov russian aircraft-carriers" by Barry Dean. Very cheap (10-15 US dollars) to the details and photos that brings. Unfortunately Kuznetsov isn't so reviewed like the Kiev's and the Gorshkov. Still, if you don't have access to this book tell me something off-line and I will scan some images to you. Compliments to all and Happy Modeling. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "David Miller" Subject: Concrete ships I used to live on the Chesapeake at Seaford, Va. By going directly East across the bay, we went to a fishing area we called the "concrete ships". This was 3 or 4 hulls used as a breakwater for the former ferry service that used to run between the Eastern Shore and Norfolk. The concrete hulls were in good condition when I last saw them in 1980's. I do not have any pics and I do not know if they are still there. Being inside the bay, they were not subject to wave pounding over the years. Dave Miller -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Oregon, Fidelity & WW I BB's Thank you for the following replies and moral support: From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: false deck in Glencoe OREGON >> If you can get any of the following magazines . . . Bob Santos << Yours is a most valuable piece of information. I'll start looking for them this afternoon. From: R C Marelius Subject: Re: Authenticity and fidelity of models >> Thank you for bringing up the point on "", historically accurate models and models that--well, aren't correct. Charlotte Marelius << Thank you for the support. Also, in response to: From: wswan@popd.ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Koing and Grosser Kurfurst >> .........how many WWI BBs are there out there?!!!!! William Swan << Counting all of the English, German, Austrian, Russian, Japanese and American battleships (unfortunately no French or Italian ships that I know of), my list of model kits for the 1910 thru 1918 time period is about 39 (scales 350 thru 1250). If you also want to count up the DD's, CL's, CA's and CB's from this period there's probably over 100. If you add in the pre-dreadnaught era there is easily a 100 more. Even though all of these kits are not available all of the time, this may be one of those rare moments in life where we are experiencing too much of a good thing. The better news is . . . the list of WW I era ship kits appears to be growing. Imagine that! Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: GKingzett@aol.com Subject: Re: USS Oregon, buff paint, sources, etc. I wonder if I can add anything to the discussion of these topics. It was my Oregon which the public voted for at SMML con; She also won First in her category at the IPMS Nationals in Orlando last July, and a Gold and Best Miniature at the Wisconsin Maritime Museum last August. It was a fascinating 3 1/2 years to research and build her. Even though there is plenty of documented source material (the bibliography of my references is a full page of very small type) there are literally dozens of contradictions. Many can't be resolved, the best you can do is decide, then go ahead and build. Bob Santos (a list member) in Ships in Scale in 1982 and Laurence Arnot in Model Ship Builder first publically mentioned the non existent deck. The Glencoe part is wrong, not because it was easier to mold this way, but more likely because they misinterpreted the original drawings. In Friedman's US Battleships, A Design History, and Reilly and Scheina's American Battleships 1886-1923, there are many fine drawings, the originals of which were the probable source of Glencoe's information, but none clear enough to define exactly what you are looking at in this deck area. The inboard profiles are particularly confusing, and it doesn't help that the captions of the hull sections of Indiana and Iowa are reversed on page 31 of Friedman. Once you decide to remove the deck, you'll discover that you are probably going to be scratch building all the superstructure above that point. The flying bridge which remains is useless, its underlying structure is wrong, the pilot house is a real example of a piece distorted to suit the molding process, most of the remaining parts and pieces will have to be lengthened or modified to fit the new configuration and you will have to decide what cabins, enclosures, gratings and machinery you want to add. There are a few references which will be very helpful. In addition to Bob Santos' articles, you should check American Battleships, Chapter 3, and in particular the photo on page 65, which shows the inside of the bulwarks on that deck level, and the platforms for working the 6 pdr guns. Ed Neubauer has drawn plans of the Oregon. He got the original data from Bethlehem Shipbuilding, the successor to Union Iron Works of San Francisco, the builder of Oregon. These drawings are definitive, complete and very useful for modeling. (I didn't find out about them until I was finished with my model; I was very gratified to see how close I had come). These drawings are available from the Oregon Maritime Center and Museum, Portland OR, and are not expensive. I believe these are the drawings which Tom's Modelwork's cite as their source. I can't comment on Tom's product, I haven't seen it unbuilt. I used Gold Medal Models photoetch on my ship and was very pleased. It is a double set, which also contains PE for the Revell Olympia. That is important because after I did the modifications there isn't enough Oregon railing and had to use some of Olympia's as well. I answered a letter off line recently regarding buff paint. I had hoped we could have a discussion at SMML Con on this topic, alas we ran out of time. I'd like to reprint the letter here. >> Subj: Oregon/Olympia Buff Sean, I use Floquil Depot Buff, a railroad color in their solvent based line. Polly Scale acrylic Depot Buff is a little brighter, still very acceptable. Tamiya acrylic XF-60 Dark Yellow is also very close. I don't think anyone knows for sure what the color actually is. The Olympia in Philadelphia looks more salmon to my eye, and the Coast Guard uses what looks to me to be a rich tan. The Panama Buff and old fashioned Buff found in Floquil's Nautical colors both looked much too pink to me. I selected Depot Buff (a mustard colored shade like some of the German World War 2 desert camouflage colors) because it isn't reddish or tan and because it goes very well with the other colors of the predreadnought ships. I'm hoping to have a conversation about this very topic at SMML Con because it was brought up about some of the ships displayed at IPMS in Orlando last summer. My Oregon was one of them and what I discovered was that there was a very large color shift under the lights in the contest room, compared to sunlight, and/or my shop lighting. It made her look anemic to me, which went away as soon as I got her back into better light. So I guess the generality is, unless you get accurate detailed advice, which isn't possible in this instance because there weren't color photos then, and apparently no actual paint samples have ever surfaced, pick something which looks good to you, keeping in mind you want it to look good with all the rest of your color scheme, and you may want to look at the color in as many different lights as possible. << Finally, I suggest to anyone interested to look up the Battleship Oregon's Homepage on the web. It's a labor of love by Jeff Meals, ex-Navy who is trying to keep the Oregon's legacy and history alive. Take the photo tour, there are several pictures of detail there which I have not seen elsewhere, and say hi to Jeff, he has become a friend of mine. Unfortunately, right now my browser won't connect me, so I can't give you the address, you'll have to do a search. If anyone is still awake after this lecture, (and you thought John Lambert went on) and would like to correspond, please write. I've got more where this came from. Gary Kingzett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: USCG Models After reading this thread over the past few days, I've become interested in adding one of these to my USN collection. I remembered there were several photos of these in the Mini Grumman Duck-in-Action book. After revisiting these pictures, I'm sold. Not only can you build a Measure 16 ship, but you get to paint a Duck in a non-standard scheme of overall white with navy blue topsides. BTW, this book, which I think may be out of print, will be valuable to superdetailers of these kits. Lots of close-up deck shots around the Duck "cradle." Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Al Superczynski Subject: Re: PT-109 On Mon, 15 May 2000 01:17:55 +1000, Edd wrote: >> Monogram produced a kit of this gun (with a Jeep prime mover) in 1:32 that was re-released a few years back. Someone (Airfix, Hasegawa?) made a 1:72 scale version I believe. << Unfortunately, the Monogram gun bears only a superficial resemblance to the real thing. The best parts of the kit were the tires! :( The gun that was included with Hasegawa's 1/72 scale Jeep is much better. HTH, Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Bruce Burden Subject: Re: Eastwind Screw >> It may sound as if we are trying to avoid a complex problem but it is 1/700 and a waterline model. << Oh! I hadn't realized it was waterline! >> You are right, the Eastwind was loaded for bear during those war years and had an attractive Thayer blue Camo scheme too. A resin ice flow with a brass Polar bear or dog sled would complete the picture. << Actually, now that I know it is waterline, a diorama of Eastwind and Southwind capturing Eskatrine(?) would be real cool! :-) Do I remember right that you were expecting to have them ready for the USA/IPMS Nats at Dallas? I think I am going to have to get a couple... Speaking of that, has anybody seen any references on the Eskatrine? I know the USCG renamed her "Eastbreeze", and then the Navy claimed her, and then she seems to drop out of sight. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Concrete ships There is a concrete ship aground on the beach near Santa Cruz, California. It was the SS Palo Alto and was built in Oakland as a tanker in 1918 too late for WWI. It's only trip under it's own power was across San Francisco Bay. In 1929 it stripped of it's engines and running gear and towed to it's current position off of Seacliff State Beach and beached stern first. A pier was built out to it as the original idea was that it would be a casino which would be legal since it was just off the coast. Concrete, they owner's believed, would not suffer the way a conventional metal ship would and it would last a long time. The state decided that it wasn't far enough off the coast for legalized gambling but it survived for a while as a dance hall and amuzement pier. Unfortunately, since it was beached on sand, it wasn't long before the ship began to settle and just two years after its opening during one particularly heavy winter storm it cracked in two with only the reinforcing rods holding it together. After that the wooden top structure was removed once again exposing the actual ship From then until the present it has been used as a fishing pier. It has continued to settle and crack and the pier which was originaly several feet below the level of the deck is now several feet above it. The bow section has been closed off for decades but it is still most definitely recognizable as a ship and locally know only as "the concrete ship." For current photos, check out: http://elnino.usgs.gov/coastal/seacliff-all.html http://www.mbnms.nos.noaa.gov/Visitor/Access/seacliff.html http://www.blueneptune.com/~blessing/seacliff/paloalto.html Regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Peter K. H. Mispelkamp" Subject: Re: Otaki 1:400 ship kits Mike: If you find out, let me know! I have the Otaki Mutsu and Nagato and they are both gems -except for the corruption that was worked into the molds to allow them to be motorized. AFAIK Otaki only did these two IJN ships in 1/400 - but would love to be proved wrong. Now if we could get some other company to release a few 1/400 IJN (Kongo's anyone?) and USN ships - then my "Euro" and "Jap" 1/400 scale collection would really be both complete and truely international. BTW - does anyone know what is going on with LACCO? - Would love to get my hands on an "Atlantis" without having to re-mortage my house or sell the kid! Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Movie Update-Perfect Storm What a great year for ship movie fanatics! Now, the teasers and trailers are proclaiming yet another flick about ships and the sea. "The Perfect Storm" is coming to a big screen soon, starring George Clooney as the captain of a doomed fishing boat. The trailer shows a dramatic shot of a fishing vessel slamming into a huge wave. Looks more like a near-shore surfin' wave than one at sea; but that's Hollywood for ya. "The Perfect Storm" should be an interesting movie about that tragic storm on Halloween day, 1991. It cost a lot of grief and good men lost at sea. Sebastian Junger's book was O.K. as far as it went, but I still wonder what all the hoopla was about. I think Master Sergeant (and Pararescue Jumper) Jack Brehm & Pete Nelson did a better job of telling about the horrible ditching of the Air National Guard HH-60 that went down on a rescue mission during the storm off Long Island, NY. Pick up a copy of their book, "That Others May Live." It's the only thing I've seen on USAF Pararescue Jumpers (PJs) & USAF sea rescue ops since Yul Brenner starred in "Flight From Ashya" (I hope I got the spelling right...) back in the'50s. I got mine at B&N and thoroughly enjoyed Brehm's style. There was also one written about the fishing boats' ordeals by a swordfisher named Linda Greenlaw, skipper of the FV Hannah Boden. Her vessel was caught in the storm, but survived. Greenlaw's book is titled, "The Hungry Ocean." Haven't read that one yet, but it's on my "to do" list. I had the opportunity to interview the survivors of the SAR helo, Jolly-10, from the 106TH USAF ARRS and their story is one of the most moving and heroic dramas of men struggling against the sea. I still think about those guys and often wondered over the years what exactly makes a person go back out again on these rescue missions after losing one of their own and almost losing their own lives as well. Here's to 'em! Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Gene Larson Subject: Re: Newport News "Sean D. Hert" wrote >> I have a friend travelling to Newport News VA for a few weeks, and he wants to know what he can do/see there. Got some ideas? << If he is a model builder tell him NOT to go to the Mariners' Museum to see the display of the contest models. They were judged last week, and should be on display. This is the every five year event. I say don't go because it could be harmful to your model building desires. The models are so outstanding that you could become frustrated. ;-) Actually it is WELL WORTH going to the museum. Don't miss it. The awards for the winners will be presented at the banquet of the annual Conference of the Nautical Research Guild in late October. Don't miss that either! Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, charitable, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Vincent Mccullough" Subject: Re: Newport News, VA There's quite a bit down there. The first place that I would go is to the Mariner's Museum, which is in Newport News itself. It's host to the Crabtree collection, some of the most impressive models that you're likely to come across. They also have a new exhibition called Defending the Seas about the US Navy. I haven't seen it (yet!) but it's supposed to be quite good. And, if you get there at the right time, they are starting their quintennial ship model competition in June. This is a BIG event, with models from all over the world (e.g., I understand that they have five entries that were flown in by members of The Rope in Japan). These will be some of the finest examples of our chosen art that you are likely to see anywhere. The exhibition continues through October. You can check out their web site for details. Other things: the Navy base, Natuicus (another maritime museum), and lots of other things. Plus, if you get there during the period of June 16-19, you're in for a REAL treat: the OpSail 2000 flotilla will be arriving on the morning of the 16-th with as many as 120 tall ships, including just about all of the Class A sail training ships in the world. Have fun! Vince McCullough Washington Ship Model Society & NRG Web Master http://www.naut-res-guild.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: Treaty Battleships >> I have Nelson (600), PoW (350), Washington (570), no SD yet, Missouri (350), Jean Bart (400), Strasbourg (400), Yamato (350), Gniesenau (400), Scheer (400), and Tirpitz (350). No Littorio. I want Lion and Montana! (For extra credit, guess how many built and how many still in the box.) (Easy!!! NONE ;-). Shane) << Note that Shane didn't say whether his "NONE" applied to "built" or to "in the box"... but in fact Washington/Strasbourg/Gniesenau/Scheer are complete and PoW has been 80% for far too long. I do actually build my ships, once in a while. :-( So there. Allan Plumb Hi Allan, There's nothing like an eachway bet is there ;->. As for building ships, well the less said about my growing collection of unbuilts the better :-(. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: Silliest Battlecruiser I said: >> (I like battlecruisers even more than battleships - so incredibly much money spent for so little gain. I'd really really like a Courageous, my candidate for the silliest battlecruiser, and don't tell me "Large Light Cruiser", thank you very much, I know a battlecruiser when I see one. :-) << From: Minadmiral@aol.com > HAH!!!!!! You think GLORIOUS and CORAGEOUS were silly?? Look at their half sister FURIOUS as built. Now THAT`S silly!!! << On the one hand, I agree. Furious' armament was even sillier than C/G, compared to their pathetic protection scheme. I suppose I was swayed by my long-term plans to bash a Repulse into a C/G some day. On the other hand - I don't think Furious was ever completed with both turrets, hmm? She was first commissioned with just the aft. So, being pedantic, C/G were the silliest completed as such. But I won't quibble. Furious was sillier. To quote Monty Python, "I'm sorry, but that's _too_ silly" even for me. Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: resin hull bend Maybe I did something wrong, but when I tried to straighten a 1/700 Edmund Fitzgerald hull in the microwave (after the boiling water didn't work earlier in the day) I had a disaster. I set the hull in the microwave and set the timer for one minute, but was standing by and was prepared to check it at 30 seconds, when the hull blew apart in two pieces just after a bunch of smoke started to come out of the microwave. The smoke started at about 22 seconds and by the time I could put down my can of Coke and step over the the microwave I heard a POP and opened the door to find smoke pouring out of the oven and the two pieces of the hull at opposite sides of the oven and my smoke detectors going off. The timer said 28 seconds had elapsed. Having heard many people say that heating in the microwave is a good method I think my experience must be unusual. I will contact the mfg. about this experience as the interior portion of the hull appears to be a very red color while the resin away from the "blast area" is still the usual tan color. Friends have suggested that maybe the cure was incomplete for some reason in the area that came apart, or that moisture had been retained somehow from the boiling water tried earlier in the day. Whatever, the reason, I am sure hesitant to put another resin hull into the microwave, even though many have reported success doing so. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: Authenticity From: RhinoBones@aol.com >> Therefore, when I build a model my goal is to build a model which, a) is reasonably accurate considering the quality of the kit and my skill at modeling and, b) is a model which I find interesting and pleasing to set on my bookcase. I've probably built some assemblies and painted some things which would make the expert modeler gag . . . but I like it! [...] Anyone else share a similar point of view . . . better yet, a different point of view? << My point of view is similar. I want to build something as close as _reasonably_ possible to the original, where I and I alone get to decide the meaning of reasonable, but to me the finished model is only a close second to the fun I had with research on the real thing. It is a placeholder, not an attempt at perfection. As long as it's a decent rendition of the real thing, I'm happy. I can't bring myself to do something I know to be wrong, but if I sometimes have to 'wing it', I do the best I know and go on. Will that win prizes? Will some say "you're no modeler"? Do I care? The last is by far the most important question, and the answer is "no". Enjoy. That's the key imperative. Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Newport News Anyone interested in ships and boats, models or the real thing, shouldn't miss the Mariners Museum. Lots of good large scale models of warships, ocean liners, etc. and historical displays on naval and commercial topics. Go to www.mariner.org for more information. Newport News also has the Virginia War Memorial Museum but I haven't seen what's inside in at least a decade. The Virginia Air and Space Museum in Hampton is only so-so and probably not worth the price of admission (at least that was the case five years ago). Same goes for Nauticus in Norfolk, but the building has the tiny (albeit free admission) Hampton Roads Naval Museum (www.hrnm.navy.mil), which is good for 15-20 minutes of browsing. The best area hobby shop is Denbigh Hobby Center (www.dhcinc.com), with an impressive inventory of ship models. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "O'Connor" Subject: Kuznetsov Flight deck color Re. the request for the deck color on the Russian carrier Kuznetsov, the Concord softcover photobook of Kiev and Kuznetsov by Barry Dean show the deck to definitely be a dark deck grey, with the landing area appearing to be a bit darker. If you have the ability to purchase the book, it's a great reference for both kits, along with the Kiev's sisters and half-sisters.I picked mine up for $7.00 from Squadron, on sale from $10.00. Bob O'Connor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Kenneth Perry Subject: Re: Newport News, VA Hello, I am from that general area and there are several things you might like to see. First of all, try these two sites: www.pilotonline.com and www.gohamptonroads.com. These are two decent sites to get you started. I assume by posting to this site, you/he likes ships/ military. Every weekend, they have between 2 and 4 ships open for tours at the Norfolk Naval Station and Little Creek Amphib Base, also naval base tours by bus and boat. Then you have the Nauticus Museum in Norfolk where you can sometimes get on board naval or civilian vessels. They just had a celebration of the 100th anniversary of the submarine there this weekend, including real subs and 20 or more r/c subs in a regatta. There's also the Mariners Museum in Newport News, Portsmouth Naval Shipyard Museum and Museum of Military History, also in Portsmouth, and if you like aircraft, the Air And Space Museum in Hampton. There are r/c model boat, plane, and helicopter clubs scattered about Va Beach and Chesapeake. Op Sail 2000 with a big parade of sail will be in VA in June. Harborfest is usually around the first week/weekend in June in Norfolk. That's about all I can think of right now. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Sims Class Destroyers Try looking at the volume "United States Navy Destroyers of World War 11" by Reilly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: US Naval Historical Center - Big Week WOW The photo section's historians have been busy this week. They have posted a major series on battleships; that covers all battleships from the never completed old South Dakota class (BB49-54) through the North Carolina (BB55-56), new South Dakota (BB57-60), and Iowa classes (BB61-66). There is some previously presented material on the Montana class (BB67-72) as well as the Lexington class Battlecruisers (CC1-6). To keep all of the Y*****holics happy there is a new section on your favorite ship. Included are some captured Japanese photos from construction and fitting out. There are also some battle line photos as well as photos from Leyte Gulf and Operation Ten-Go. To round things out there are also photos of the USS Princeton (CVL23) and the USS Torsk (SS423) as well as the US Civil War gunboat of the week offerings. Check it out at: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/whatsnew.htm Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: SMMLCON2 >> How about H.M.C.S. SACKVILLE ... << Now there's a fine idea. She's in a major city with easy access, there are several neat museums and other naval-related sites, and the Canadian dollar is only about $ 0.65 US. Of course, the fact that Halifax isn't that far away from Bangor doesn't hurt.... :-). Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: SMMLcon >> P.S. I had a great time at the SMML 1 CON. If you could not go ... you missed something! Harold Lincoln's three merchant ship models, on display among the warships models, were a pleasure to see!! << I REALLY wish I could have made that but the date conflicted with a standing figure model show I have participated in for over 30 years and I just could not break that engagement. Maybe next time it will be on a free weekend for me. I guess no show date will ever fit everyone but it sounds like all who did make it, enjoyed it very much. Bob Santos. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: Re: SMMLcon 2 Hi Gang, I second HMCS Sackville in Halifax as the site for SMMLcon2. Although there may not be a lot of space on board for you folks who like the larger scales! (You could always secure them alongside ;-) Seriously though, she is berthed at the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic, ship modellers heaven,(And a Titanic deckchair to boot!) The MarCom museum and HMC Dockyard are minutes away, and the Shearwater Naval Aviation museum is a wee ride across on the Ferry. It's also the closest place for our UK brethren to make landfall! (Eh Carolyn? :-) You will love the city and the exchange rate on our moolah. A few well stocked hobby shops too. Anyone with questions.....shoot! Cheers, Ian Mac's Naval Photography http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ Clan MacCorquodale Online http://www.geocities.com/maccorquodale/ Scottish Clan Plaques http://clanconnections.bizland.com/main.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Denis & Marilyn Campbell Subject: SMML-con I am a bit late chiming in here. I was able to be at part of the Saturday session of SMML-Con2000 and it was great to meet some of the people who have been just names on e-mails for so long. Caroline is every bit the lady I expected, very gracious and refined and the master of the CF Adams is an absolute jewel. John Sheridan's model of the uss Salem is also a jewel - Ignore the snide (read: Jealous) comments John(I'm sure you do) . "Non carburundum illegitimii" figure it out. I went to the web site and looked at the pictures (very dashing in the uniform, John Snyder - and your talk on paint and camouflage was great) and the newspaper article including (Mike's ?) comment about Victory not being the only ship preserved in UK. Mike, the article strikes me as typical media coverage of a subject the reporter is not familiar with - they either start with a preconceived idea and fit everything to it or they look for a "hook" to hang the story on. In this case, Caroline was the hook - the readers would be more interested that a woman is part of a ship modeling group, than anything of substance about the group itself. The other trick is to use only the quotes (or part of a quote) that fit the story line - I am sure Caroline did not say that Victory was the ONLY preserved ship in UK. However, great convention and, a tradition to be supported, hopefully, every year Denis Campbell Avon MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Rob Mackie Subject: Recent Warship Updates The following items have been added to the Warship (http://warship.simplenet.com) site over the past 1 1/2 months: Model Kit Reviews: -Samek Models 1:700 French Battlecruiser Dunkerque by Steven Backer -WSW 1:700 French Light Cruiser Georges Leygues by David Angelo -Buildup review of WSW 1:700 Battlecruiser SMS Derfflinger by Mike Taylor -Iron Shipwright 1:350 USN 110' Subchaser by Ed Grune -Iron Shipwright 1:350 DKM Prinsz Eugen Buildup Review by Mike Taylor -Seals Model Injection Molded 1:700 IJN Mikasa by Mike Leonard -Classic Warships 1:350 Battlecruiser USS Alaska CB-1 in-the-box review -Duane Fowlers Naval Ensign and Jacks Decal Sheets by Rusty White Additions to Model Gallery: 1:700 USS Joseph P. Kennedy FRAM DD 850 1:700 USS Reuben James FFG 57 1:350 US Submarine S-27 1:350 Type VIIc U-Boat 1:160 Elco PT Boat w/N scale figures 1:285 Monitor 1:350 USS California BB-44 (extended photo coverage) by James Kloek (Iron Shipwright) 1:700 HMS Hood (extended photo coverage) by James Kloek (Italeri) 1:350 Fletcher Class Destroyer by Rusty White 1:700 USS Monssen (1942)by Tim Dike (Kobo Hiryu) 1:400 French Carrier Charles DeGaulle Battle Group by Mike Taylor 1:350 Corvettes by Mike Taylor (3 Iron Shipwright kits) 1:350 Fletcher Class Destroyer by Evert-Jan Foeth (Tamiya) Feature and How-To Articles -Ed Low's remarkable 3-D Computer Rendering of IJN Destroyer Akizuki -Weathering Warship Models by Mike Czibovic -Building a 1:72nd Scale Gato Class Fleet Sub by Rusty White -Scratchbuilding Tips for 1/1200th Scale by Steve Richards Added new section to 1250 Scale: Tips & Techniques for Modeling in 1200/1250 Scale by Paul Jacobs Photo Archive Additions: -USS Langley CV-1 (US Navy's first carrier. -Naval Historical Center photos of 110' Subchasers -Pacific Front May 2000 Update: Biggest Ever Update! -Entire Pacific Front April 2000 1250 Scale update on line Rob Mackie Warship http://warship.simplenet.com Be There or Be Square -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: International Maritime Modeling - Techincal Problems Hello Everyone, Seems that my webspace provider, Tripod.Com, is experiencing server problems for a couple of days now and anyone trying to access International Maritime Modeling will get some strange error messages. If have reported the problem and I do not know when it will be resolved. I will let everyone know when things are back to normal. Of course, I am finally getting the last bits of the long overdue April/May update and this happens. Thanks for your patience and sorry about the trouble. Felix Bustelo Frustrated Webmaster International Maritime Modeling http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume