Subject: SMML VOL 913 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:14:20 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Treaty ships 2: Re: John Lambert 3: French 1500 ton torpilleurs 4: Re: resin hull bend 5: Microwaving models 6: Re: USS Valley Forge 7: Revell PT boat article 8: Re: USCG Models 9: Re: Sighting of ICM Konig 10: 1:350 Tennessee models 11: Re: Microwave and Exploding Ship Models 12: WEM photo-etch for Italeri HMS Hood 13: Re: USS Oregon, buff paint, sources, etc 14: Eagle boat 15: WW1 Italian Warships 16: Re: Things to do in Newport News VA 17: Silliest Battlecruiser 18: The gift that keeps on giving 19: Re: Perfect Storm 20: Interesting Web site 21: painting in scale 22: resin hull bend 23: Swedish naval models 24: S-Boats SIG 25: concrete ships 26: Re: USS Oregon etc 27: Vacation in Hawaii -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: SMMLCon 2001 2: SMMLcon 2001 3: SMML con 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: IMM - Back on Line 2: The longevity of ship models 3: WEM.. NEW STUFF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Satin, Michael N. (LNG-SHEP)" Subject: Treaty ships First, my thanks to all who answered my Treaty Battleships enquiry! Man, I love this group! Guess I screwed up on the Dunkerque/Richelieu timing, perhaps it was wishful thinking since the latter is easier to get. Well, we'll see what I can do. As for Allan's question about Axis ships, I guess I've made a decision not to do German WWII stuff and so I decided to leave off Japanese and Italian so as not to make the hole more obvious. Now don't get me wrong here, I have no problem with others doing German models if they want to, and I don't suspect them of being proto-Nazis if they do. I've just chosen to opt out myself. Finally, Allan, do you consider the Iowas as treaty ships? I don't, myself. Anyway, thanks again to all of you! Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: John Lambert To Glen Arnold, Yes, he is a fountain of information on other things. He's like Mr. Data on Star Trek, ha ha. Those "Bobbie" stories are great! He regailled them to us Saturday afternoon after his nap. My mother loved them. Glen, nice job on the layout. Care to help me on the layout for my third book? If I do a third one that is -- Ha ha. My folks are tired of doing them. Ha ha. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: French 1500 ton torpilleurs Hi All Does anyone know of a 1/700 model of one of the French 1500 ton torpilleurs (Bourrasque or L'Adroit)? Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Vincent Mccullough" Subject: Re: resin hull bend Kurt, This is speculation on my part, but I can think of two reasons that you might have had the problem that you did. First, the Fitzgerald is so long compared with her beam that there may have been some attempt to stiffen the hull with a metal insert specifically to avoid warpage. If so this obviously failed. However, placing the hull in the microwave would have induced enough of a current in any stiffeners to cause they to heat up pretty dramatically, which might have caused the explosion that you had. The other possibility is something that I just learned about recently from Charlie Parker at a Washington Ship Model Society meeting: some resins have some metal content. It depends on the type of resin that is being used (and the model vendor might or might not know for sure if he's using different types of resin), but some apparently include metals as part of the formulation, causing them to react very violently in a microwave. Based on that conversation, I am going to be very reluctant to use a microwave on resin in the future. By the way, does your microwave still work, of did this fry it's electronics? Vince McCullough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Microwaving models I would never recommend putting any models in a microwave. Microwave heating in spotty at best. Ask anyone who ever heated up a dinner in the microwave and they tell you it can cold in spots while blazing hot in others. What makes the boiling water method work is the fact that the heating is even. The disaster with the exploding model could have a number of explanations including the poor mixture theory spelled out yesterday. I would guess it's a combination of poor mixing a trapped air bubble (probably in the poorly mixed area. Once an air bubble starts heating up the expanding air can only expand causing the explosion. Sorry you had to learn this the hard way, but never put a model of any kind in a microwave oven! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Alan Simon Subject: Re: USS Valley Forge According to a friend and former Navy pilot who served aboard Valley Forge in late '50s: "She was first CV off Korea in 1950. Launched Corsairs and Skyraiders (Panthers joined later)...two hydraulic cats, straight ahead with an LSO." Sorry, can't help with AA outfit. Alan Simon Atlanta, Ga. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Björn Bäcklundx1bmQ= Subject: Revell PT boat article I've been thinkig of rebuild my olt PT-boat from Revell and found this article on "the net". It is at the IPMS Albuquerque site. Is there anything to be added to this, or should I start right away? Bjorn Backlund Stockholm, Sweden URL to the article: http://tacair-press.com/ipms/review/pt-117.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Bruce Burden Subject: Re: USCG Models From: Marc Flake >> BTW, this book, which I think may be out of print, will be valuable to superdetailers of these kits. Lots of close-up deck shots around the Duck "cradle." << Just note that the author misnames the ships. So take his ship names with a large grain of salt. However, as Marc said, this book is very good at some close up detail as the Duck is being set into (removed from?) the cradle. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Sighting of ICM Konig Hi SMML, I noticed that someone has started listing the ICM Konig for auction on eBay with a photograph of the boxtop and, more importantly, another photograph of the parts inside the box. I guess it really does exist! You can find the listings for it on eBay by doing a search with the terms "ICM" and "Konig." Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: 1:350 Tennessee models Hi to all- new subscriber here. I'm very interested in the 1:350 Tennessee models- I live in the state, and I prefer 1/2 generation dreadnoughts. Any further info on kits of such ships in 1:350 to 1:600 scale? Not interested in smaller scale kits. Thanks to all. Ted Tsaltas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Microwave and Exploding Ship Models Kurt, I have found the hot water method much better, not to mention safer. When the resin that you find models made from, burns, or smokes, that is a cyanide gas that is being put out. VERY DEADLY!!! For the hot water method, place your part, model that is, in a Pyrex, or metal cooking pan, and fill the pan with water that is not quite boiling. Let it sit for a few moments, then pull out the model and manipulate as needed, and let cool on a cold, flat counter. Also, please warn any of us before you do any other sort of experimenting, SO WE CAN LEAVE THE STATE !!!!! Good luck, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "FCR" Subject: WEM photo-etch for Italeri HMS Hood Hello to all Just a quick question and specially for Dave and Caroline Carter. The WEM photo-etch set for HMS Hood - 1/700 serves for what model, Tamiya or Italeri? This is because the "students" that participate in my naval modelism class wanted to know of one photo-etch set for the Italeri HMS Hood (that they are building) and I remembered of the WEM set(the only one available I believe). Are you listening Dave and Caroline? Thanks in advance. Happy Modeling. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: eddp Subject: Re: USS Oregon, buff paint, sources, etc >> The Glencoe part is wrong, not because it was easier to mold this way, but more likely because they misinterpreted the original drawings. In Friedman's US Battleships, A Design History, and Reilly and Scheina's American Battleships 1886-1923, there are many fine drawings, the originals of which were the probable source of Glencoe's information, but none clear enough to define exactly what you are looking at in this deck area. << The Glencoe model, I believe, is a re-release of an original produced by Pyro in the 50's or early 60's, so it pre-dates those references. Still wrong, though . Edd Pflum Westmont, IL (I wondered what that bang was, Kurt.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: eddp Subject: Eagle boat Does anyone on the list know of the existence of plans for the WW1 Ford Eagle boat subchaser? I've got the ones from Friedman's "Small Combatants", and another set in an old SSM, but neither of these show the hull lines. Edd Pflum Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: WW1 Italian Warships To RhinoBhone >> Counting all of the English, German, Austrian, Russian, Japanese and American battleships (unfortunately no French or Italian ships that I know of), my list of model kits for the 1910 thru 1918 time period is about 39 (scales 350 thru 1250). << There are several kits of the Italian warships of this period in 1/700 scale. The Battleship Dante Alighieri is i believe from this period. The cruiser San Giorgio and some escort vessels (Spica class) are also available. Although these are with ww2 rig, they can easly be modeled as ww1. regards Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Sean D. Hert" Subject: Re: Things to do in Newport News VA A BIG THANKS to all of you who recommended things to do in Newport News- my buddy should have fun putting his new digital camera to good use! He will be there for about three weeks, so should have ample time to investigate all these options. Thanks again! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Silliest Battlecruiser I hate to bring this up, but the three ships of the class were not designed, or built, or operated as Battlecruisers. The documents are quite clear on this matter, and so regardless of what has just been written in the previous notes, Battlecruisers they were NOT! I will leave to somebody else to describe what they were actually designed to do and what they actually functioned as. As for configerations in respect of model making, the Courageous as a minelayer with what must be over two hundred mines arranged along the quarterdeck in 1917 would make a very interesting model. To my knowledge nobody in the past fifty years has even attempted to make a model with this appearence. Come on you plebs, lets hear what you have to say. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: The gift that keeps on giving Well guys, I think i've finally got my wife on my side! Not only did she buy me a shiny new Sony DVD player for my birthday but also included the movie....... Das Boot: The directors cut as my first DVD movie! I will be up late tonight watching the entire movie (all 209 minutes of it) in the way it should be watched; in German with English subtitles. 250 meters................................ John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com I am not Unit# 631 of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) If there were a Lumber Cartel, the last place on earth I would look for it would be: http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Perfect Storm >> The trailer shows a dramatic shot of a fishing vessel slamming into a huge wave. << .....and you guys wonder WHY I go on about submarines??? Travel in style UNDER the storms! Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Interesting Web site Kurt Greiner posted this site over on the SubCommittee bulletin Board. Great site for Russian naval ship pictures (OK, lots of submarines, but what did you expect from me? Enough pictures of "targets" are there, too!). See: http://www.hazegray.org/features/russia/ Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "JODY KELM" Subject: painting in scale I would like to know if anyone knows of a formula for painting a model battleship in 1/128th scale accurately? meaning do I have to darken the battleships colors to make it look realistic? Sincerely, Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Tadrick@aol.com Subject: resin hull bend The ship I'm putting together that has the bends is PC461. Am I running the danger of putting finger prints in the surface when using either method? Is it a good idea to run the ship under cold water after reshaping to set it in the new position? I've gotten the feeling this is a pretty common condition for these kits to come with, and accepted as a reasonable trade off to get these interesting subjects. However, is there a point at which one should look to the maker for a replacement? If I screw this one up trying to fix it would it be asking to much at that point for it to be replaced? I wouldn't want any one to have to make up for my error. Thanks again for your help. This is a great group of people and I hope I haven't put anyone off with my questions. Your patience is appreciated. Dan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Örjan Dahlberg Subject: Swedish naval models Don't know if this is the way to get a question out to the SMML-ers. Anyhow, I'd like to know if there is anyone who knows anything about or have seen model-kits of old Swedish navy ships. I'm specially interested in the armoured cruiser FYLGIA, built 1905 och broken up 1958, as I made my training cruise on board her in 1947 - 48. Regards Örjan Dahlberg, Skärblacka, Norrköping, Sweden. e-mail: mailto:orjan.d@home.se -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Fred Becker" Subject: S-Boats SIG Hello all , the following list of books will answer a few questions about German S-Boats Siegfried Bayer 'Deutsche Kriegsmarine , Band 2' Podzun Pallas Verlag Friedberg / Hessen Harald Fock: Schnellboote Band 1 , Band 2 Koehlers Verlagsanstalt ,Herford Gerhard Huemmelchen: Die deutschen Schnellboote im 2. Weltkrieg E.S.Mittler Verlag, Hamburg /Berlin /Bonn Friedrich Kemnade: Die Afrika Flottillie Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart Richard Lakowski: Reichs und Kriegsmarine Geheim Brandenburgisches Verlagshaus, Berlin J.P.Mallman-Showell : Das Buch der Deutschen Kriegsmarine Motor Verlag Stuttgart Jan Mayen: Alarm Schnellboote Gerhard Stalling Verlag Oldenburg/ Hamburg P.P. Moebius: Schnellboote Ernst Gerdes Verlag Preetz / Holstein Mike Whitley: Deutsche Seestreitkraefte '39 -45, Einsatz im Kuestenvorfeld Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart. All the books are in German, but they are still in print as far as I know. I dont know if all those companies have websites, but it is possible. There was a hull available (1997) scale 1: 25 for remote control from the following company : Far. Hasse 21079 Hamburg Nartenstrasse 23 a Tel 49- 40 7 65 31 63 Regards Fred -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: concrete ships Thanks to all of those who have brought up and provided information on the concrete ships. I've found this discussion very interesting, as this was the first I'd ever heard of such a thing. I especially found the info on the PALO ALTO interesting, as it's not far from where a friend of mine lives in Capitola. Now I'm going to have to get on to her for never having mentioned it before. Well...not to much (given all the pics and newspaper clippings she sent me back in '88 when the Missouri visited Monterey Bay). Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Sean Obrien Subject: Re: USS Oregon etc I just wanted to add to Gary Kingzett's letter. I decided to build the Glencoe Oregon after sorting through some modeling magazines I've had since I was a kid. In the May 1973 issue of Scale Modeler is an article by Daniel Mitchell on his USS Oregon. The article doesn't tell much about what mods he had to do to the kit but has some great photos of detailing before the coming of photoetch. After looking at the photos, I just had to have one. For research I have used the inter-library loan system at my local library. I highly recomend it. I've had books from as far away as California. You get the books for 2 weeks. This allows you to see if a book is really helpfull before you go and drop 20 to 50 bucks on it. One book I came across is "American Steel Navy" by John D. Alden. It has hundreds of photos covering about every aspect of the U.S. navy from 1883 - 1909. Great shots below and above deck for about every class of ship. Highly recomend it. Sean O'Brien Columbus , Ohio -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Vacation in Hawaii Hello everyone, For the first two weeks in June, I will be on my honeymoon in Hawaii and would like to make sure I get a chance to visit all the interesting sites pertaining to shipmodelling. I know that at Pearl Harbor, there is the USS Missouri and the Arizona monument as well as a WWII vintage sub(?). Can anyone fill me in on details about other ships, museums, and of course, hobby stores on Oahu? I will have almost a full week on Oahu, so should have plenty of time to see everything. Thanks alot! Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: SMMLCon 2001 I had thought about suggesting Liverpool (UK) for the next one but the SACKSVILLE sounds great. Perhaps Liverpool for 2002 which will be the 60th Anniversary of the Height of the Battle of the Atlantic. Now if we can just manage to time it to match my vacation times! Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Keith Butterley Subject: SMMLcon 2001 Hi group, While it looks like the battle lines are being drawn as to where to hold SMMLcon 2001. I myself, would prefer San Francisco. We were on the east side of the continent this year, so next year maybe we should be on the west or an international venue. One man's opinion. Happy modeling all, Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: SMML con 1 Hi Fellow Shipmodelers, In defence of John Sheridans comments regarding my Flower Class (there I said it, I'm out of the closet now) not being at the convention. I did have a model there. With all the talk of PT109 I could not stay quiet any longer. In the center of the array of all the splendid models was MY PT109 in 1/20 scale complete with a scratchbuilt brass US Army 37mm anti-tank gun. The gun was scaled from the Revell 1/32 model. I did not put down any lashings because, when the last surviving members of Kennedy's crew were interviewed, a long while back, they could not recall how the gun was tied down. They were just glad they never had to fire it! On a final SMMLcon note, the museum administration wants you folks to know that we were pleased with the hosting of the meeting. The staff enjoyed meeting you and the tour guides were especially pleased to give knowlegeable guest tours and answer meaningful questions. It would be appreciated if you would drop some comments to the museum on the comments section of our web site. I am forwarding the letters you all posted to our web master aand he may use a few excerpts. Thanks again, John Frohock USNSM www.uss-salem.org P.S. I kinda like Halifax for SMMLcon 2 (obvious reasons) but I'd go anywhere. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: IMM - Back on Line Hello all, Well it appears that Tripod fixed the error and the site is back up. I will be checking to see if everything is still there and nothing evaporated -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Gene Larson Subject: The longevity of ship models The presentation given by Dana Wegner at the Nautical Research Guild's annual conference in San Diego last October, and subsequently published in the March issue of the "Nautical Research Journal" has been placed on the NRG web site. As I stated in a message two months ago, this should be required reading for every model builder, ship and other. After reading you can make your own decisions, but you should have this article to use in the process. Go about half way down the main web page to the section on: "THE GUILD'S ASSISTANCE TO RESEARCHERS AND MODEL BUILDERS" and click on the last item: "HERE TODAY, MAYBE GONE TOMORROW Ephemeral Materials in Ship Models By: Dana Wegner Curator of Models, United States Navy" Hope this helps all. Gene Larson, Alexandria, Virginia Nautical Research Guild, Inc. http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, charitable, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: WEM.. NEW STUFF Hi Guys, Caroline here (Still blushing furiously from nice SMMLlieCon comments received over the past few days.. I'm really not used to it you know .. Thanks guys :-)) Just to say that the new Squadron Signal title "Vosper MTB's in Action" is here at 6.99. As John Lambert (Hugh) pointed out.. Superb work by T. Garth Connelly, one of our fellow SMMLlies. Have also had delivery of new WEM AS 7196 1/700 KAWANISHI N1K1 REX, 3-in-a-bag for 2.95 (USD$4.66) AND AT LAST! WEM AS 7085 LOCKHEED SR-71 BLACKBIRD (x2) for 2.95 (USD$4.66) Still online for those ICM 1/350 Konigs and Grosser Kurfursts to arrive at the end of next week, so please reserve yours now so as I can guage order numbers. Each kit is 42.54 Pounds (USD$64.00) overseas and 49.99 in the U.K. and EU. Shipping at cost as usual. BACK IN STOCK after a LONG absence in the U.K. GLENCOE 1/350 NS SAVANNAH 19.53 Pounds (USD$30.00) GLENCOE 1/225 USS OREGON 23.79 Pounds (USD$36.00) GLENCOE 1/400 SS UNITED STATES 42.54 Pounds (USD$64.00) GLENCOE 1/450 SS FRANCE 40.81 Pounds (USD$62.00) GLENCOE 1/48 USCG Rescue Craft 9.35 Pounds (USD$15.00) Kits, U.K./EU please add 17.5% VAT to the above. Orders to me personally please...Many Thanks! Caroline Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume