Subject: SMML VOL 919 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:32:51 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Royal Navy Colors 2: Re: RN Ship colour schemes 3: Re: ship identity 4: Re: various 5: French 1,500 ton torpilleurs 6: French 1500 ton destroyers 7: Re: Tamyia 1/700 Ships 8: Re: missing pages 9: Swedish ship models 10: Enterprise decals 11: Re: Alaska Camo 12: Re: ALASKA 13: Re: Parts Favor 14: Victorian Warships 15: Elmer's glue 16: Re: PBR 17: Re: New Tamiya Kits 18: Re: PT-109 19: Admiral Scheer Colors Part II 20: Re: Valley Forge 21: Re: Alaska 22: Re: O Class destroyers 23: Re: Last Foxtrot In Shanghai? (a pun) 24: 1/350 Tamiya Late WWII 'Square Bridge' Conversion 25: RUSSIAN KASHIN CLASS DESTROYERS 26: Re: Square Bridge Fletcher 27: Re: Glencoe and Oregon 28: Re: Foxtrot 29: HMS Palomares--Camo Standard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: SMMLcon 2001/ 2002 2: Re: SMMLCON Locations -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Announcement: IPMS-USA Nats 2: Re: Parts Favor 3: To Ned Barnett 4: Special package offer 5: Warship Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Royal Navy Colors Since writing the reply that I sent yesterday, I took the color sample of 507a from the Snyder and Short set of colors, and just by looking at it outdoors on an overcast day, the difference in tone (degree of darkness or lightness) was greatly different than when observing the same card indoors; it appeared very much lighter! May I suggest that you look at some of the many photos taken in the war of ships that were in dark hull and light upperworks style of camouflage. The dark hull (in 507a shows up in almost every instance as a DARK tone. One of the reasons for this would be that the wartime colors were flat up to around 1943, and different types of film was used. Examples of three colors in photos:- From Man o' War County Class Cruisers. Page 9: Devonshire in 507c. (Mediterranean Light Grey) Page 9: Shropshire in 507b. Page 18: Berwick with 507a panels. (Home Fleet Dark Grey) The use of 507b and 507a on Shropshire and Berwick repectively is known definatively. On the Shropshire (picture taken August 1941) the 507b had been in place for many months without repainting and one can seen the light grey (507c) showing through in places. I hope that this is of some help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Subject: Re: RN Ship colour schemes Many thanks to the two Johns, Alan, Chris and Frank for putting the explanation for the shading differences in black and white for me. Or should I say Grey!!!! I think I will stick with Humbrol 27 for the repaint job on the Hood as it is between AP 507A & B which as everyone has said, will allow for scale. I would normally use full strength colours on models, and would use the darker shades as well as part of a disruptive camo scheme. But to me or my eye, the correct 507A is just too dark to give a good all over finish in the smaller scales. It needs lightening just a tad. Chris.... you should have more faith Frank, I will scan you a set of pics as soon as I have a moment. Once again, Thanks for you help. All the best Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "S Sachsen" Subject: Re: ship identity >> I saw an interesting ship today while driving by Mare Island... the "General Hugh Gaffey". It does not show up in any of my references, could this be an Army vessel? Can anybody identify? << You've probably received dozens of replies to this query, but here's my entry (from Ships & Aircraft of the US Fleet--16th ed): Gen. Hugh J. Gaffey-Barracks ship, ex troop transport-IX 507 (exAP 121) comm. 18 Sep 1944, stricken 26 Oct 1993 "These former Admiral-type transports were employed as immobilized barracks ships during the 1980s. Built as naval transports, they were transferred to the Army in 1946, then assigned to the Navy's newly established Military Sea Transportation Service (MSTS--and predecessor to MSC: Military SeaLift Command) on 1 March 1950. As a troop transport the AP 121 could carry 4680 troops. "The Gaffey was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register on 9 Jan 1969, the ship was reacquired by the Navy on 1 Nov 1978 for conversion to a barracks ship and reclassified IX 507. She was assigned to the Bremerton Naval Shipyard (WA) to house the crews of aircraft carriers undergoing coversion and modernization. After being stricken in 1993, the Gaffey was sold for scrap in 1995." The 16th ed. was published in 1997, so either the Gaffey was 'saved' for some other purpose, or the scrapping has been delayed. Considering EPA issues, and Calif. EPA issues, the latter is probably true. s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: various Hi Guys I just read the recent vol.918 and I'd like to discuss Tamiya. This company recently has started to buy molds such as the Skywave USS Bogue CVE,DKM Z-39 DD, RN O-Class DD. So it's possible that they could be reissuing the Indianapolis by Matchbox but in comparison to there work I wonder how money they put into it? Those old Matchbox items weren't bad for their day along with Bismarck, Duke of York, Exeter, Z-class DD, Fletcher, Aridane of 20 yrs ago. As far as the Alaska goes in camouflage she wore either Measure 32 design 1D or Measure 32 Design 7C. You can get a copy of these from Floating Dry-dock for a buck apiece least I bought them. Their #CF-142 and CF-76. The colors for M-321D is 5-L light gray,BK dull black, 5-0 Ocean Gray,20-B deck blue and M-32D-7C is the same colors different layout. OK I have a question how good is a Mustek 1200 ED scanner? I have one and no matter how I try to use this thing I can't email pictures out. What is a good scanner out on the market and how much do they cost? Any help would be appreciated. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "larsenal" Subject: French 1,500 ton torpilleurs Hello! To my knowledge there are no 1,500 class French Contre-Torpilleur available at the moment in 1/700 scale. I am considering starting a project for this Class of ships, but not before the end of this year or the beginning of 2001, regarding the spare time available. Best regards, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: French 1500 ton destroyers Hi All Are there really no models of French 1500-ton torpilleurs out there? Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Marc Flake" Subject: Re: Tamyia 1/700 Ships No, it's not the Matchbox kit. It has the same thick guntub bulkheads and the same main mast, but, the forecastle 20mm tubs are configured differently, there's a bit of extra detailing on the forward superstructure and a little less detailing around the hanger area than on the Matchbox kit. The smaller guns also look to be better detailed than the Matchbox. Oddly enough, it looks like it has the 20mm ammunition cases on the fan tail, just like the Matchbox kit. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: missing pages Mike, I will scan these pages and send them to you! Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Örjan Dahlberg Subject: Swedish ship models Dear Art, Thanks for the info about "Argonmaut" and "Rhenania". Maybe I'm a bit underinformed, but I don't know where to find them. Do you have any more precise information? Re. HMS Visby: Do you have any kind of blueprint or do you want me to try the (pretty small) possibilities to get any. I suppose you know that she earned the "blue ribbon" - the fastest ship so far - as far as I remember a bit over 45 knots in 1943 -45. Regards Örjan D, Norrköping -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: BEN8800@aol.com Subject: Enterprise decals >> If you or anyone else feels that I left something off that should be included, please let me know. << Duane, What you really left off is the foul lines that parallel somewhat the large landing white lines. The red-white lines on the sheet are intended I assume for the two foul lines on either side of the forward catapults. You almost but not quite have enough red-white lines on the sheet to do the aft foul lines. But the main thing is the instructions - sketch do not show them at all. Ben -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Frank and Carol Berger" Subject: Re: Alaska Camo Alaska wore Measure 32 1D. The Floating Drydock has sheet CF-142 available. This gices the colors and proper pattern. Colors are 5L-Light Gray BK Dull Black on the vertical surfaces and 5O- Ocean Gray and 20-B Deck Blue for the horizontal areas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: ALASKA ALASKA's "dazzle" scheme was Measure 32, Pattern 1D. Measure 32 technically called for: Light Gray 5-L, Ocean Gray 5-O, and Dull Black; and Deck Blue 20-B decks with an Ocean Gray 5-O pattern. However, ALASKA only carried two colors, Light Gray and Dull Black, on her vertical surfaces. I'm unsure whether she had a patterned deck or simply Deck Blue. BTW, she never carried this scheme in the combat zone, having repainted into Measure 22 (using Navy Blue 5-N and the neutral Haze Gray). John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Parts Favor Contact Steve Wiper at Classic Warships. He sells 1/350 40mm mounts in white metal. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "John Rule" Subject: Victorian Warships Can any one tell me a source for drawings of Victorian era Royal Navy warships from Warrior to Dreadnought. The type of drawing would be detailed plan and profile and preferably cross sections. Thanks, John Rule -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Elmer's glue In volume 917 - SMML - "RhinoBones" discussed his use of Elmer's Glue. I use it with spackling paste 50/50 mix as a filler as well as a bonding agent. The spackle is Crawford's - it is somewhat more expensive than standard spackle but it is well worth the cost as it does not dry out as fast as when properly capped and has a very smooth texture. The Elmer's glue is E-372 for pottery repair. I dries clear and is non-toxic. I just finished a Revell Lionfish sub with the Natilus early Gato conversion conning tower. The forward part of the hull had a slight gap between the deck and the hull. I used the special "paste" to fill it. When hard the "paste" can be easily shaved with a model knife and then sanded to achieve a fine repair. I use this "paste" to build up casting bubble holes as well as other scratch built gaps. The final repair is white and very hard. I used the Elmer's on the hull seams and the adhesion, so far, seems to be good. I have not used the Elmer's on resin as yet but I hope it works as well because it is much easier to work with than super glue. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Clem Jensen" Subject: Re: PBR Good Morning I would like to thank those who responded with my request for videos of PBR's. Based on your leads I found two, one is the Discovery Channel's "Vietnam Gunboats" covering the development and use of the boats.The other is Brown Water Productions "PBR". they are both $19.50 plus shipping. I think I will buy one and see if it answers most of my questions. If not I'll buy the other. Does anyone know where I can buy still photos ? I've laid the keel and formed the ribs. The next is to start assembly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "RICHARDSON, WILLIAM R" Subject: Re: New Tamiya Kits REPLY TO #16: CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. I THINK THE PRINCE OF WALES AND REPULSE WERE SUNK BY "NELL" TORPEDO PLANES, NOT "BETTY'S". THANKS FOR THE INFO. I WAS GOING TO PURCHASE KING GEORGE V INSTEAD OF THE ILL-FATED PRINCE OF WALES, BUT I THINK I'VE CHANGED MY MIND! BILL RAY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: PT-109 To John F: I do have four letters from the crewmen. I can't think how much more direct that can be. If you'd like - I can put you in touch with my model builder. He's quite good sir. You saw some of his work for me at a model show either in Wallingford CT or Chicoppee MA. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Admiral Scheer Colors Part II Some time ago, there was a discussion on the Admiral Scheer's colors during the 1940-41 commerce raiding cruise. I previously stated my belief that the Scheer was painted a dark blue-grey, based on a Signal magazine article with a color picture. Wrong!! Falk correctly stated that the ship during this period was light grey overall, and he correctly hypothesised that Signal's color photo was from a later date. I recently aquired a very rare cruise photo-book of the Admiral Scheer with numerous shots showing the hull and superstructure in an overall light grey. So I have to correct myself, and tip my hat to Falk. A photo of the Scheer that has been widely published seems to show the hull underneath the degaussing cable painted in a darker shade of grey. However, close up photos in this vintage book betray the dark shade as rust and a heavy build-up of warm water "crud". Some of the horizontal surfaces are painted very dark grey, such as all the range finder housing roofs and the aircraft catapult platform. The secondary turrets are light grey overall. The horizontal parts of the main turret tops *might* be painted medium grey. They are not dark in any case. Turret Anton's roof has a 2cm single AA gun mount, which is usually stowed. The center island (the superstruction upon which the funnel rests) is planked with wood, unlike the Graf Spee. I assume that the searchlight platform and the open "night bridge" (directly aft of turret A) is decked in brown linoleum. But it's just an assumption! The vintage models at the NMM and USNA would be good sources for information on this. At some point, the Arado was painted pale blue (according to the text) or light grey overall (according to a color photo in the book), no insignia except the tail swastika. There is a box structure between the funnel and the bridge tower shown on some plans. It is not shown in any photos I have seen. It seems to be an error carried over from a 1943 USN recognition drawing based on incomplete information. This was a boat stowage area not much modified from its original configuration. BTW, somebody I know in Germany is working on the definitive set of post-refit Admiral Scheer plans. They wont be done any time soon, but they will be damn good! Cheerio Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: Valley Forge In 1950 Valley Forge had 11 40-mm quad mounts - two on the bow, two on the port sponson abreast the large hangar opening forward, one on both the 5" sponsons to port, two on the fantail, one on the structure abaft the island, and two on the island. Its safe to assume that no 20-mm mounts were carried, or if they were, the barrels were in the ordnance lockers and only the pedastals were in place. I say this because her crew was considerably below the peacetime manning level. Her Air Group was CVG-5, tail code 'S'. Its composition on June 25, 1950 was as follows; VF-51 15 F9F-3 LCDR A. D. Pollock VF-52 15 F9F-3 LCDR W. E. Lamb VF-53 14 F4U-4 LCDR W. R. Pittman VF-54 14 F4U-4 LCDR D.K. English VA-55 14 AD-4 LCDR N. D. Hodson 3 AD-4Q 1 AD-3Q VC-3 LCDR W. E. Henry Det C 3 F4U-5N 2 AD-3N VC-11 3 AD-3W LCDR S. M. Shelton Det HedRon 1 2 F4U-5P CAPT J. V. Booker USMC Det (USMC) HU-1 1 HO3S-1 Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "John Sheridan" Subject: Re: Alaska >> I am considering building my 1/700 Samek USS Alaska. I note that the painting directions look a little suspicious. Can anyone tell me what colors the Alaska carried in her "Dazzle" camo scheme? << Alaska carried MS 32/1d which consisted of the colors Dull Black #13 and Light Gray 5-L. Guam Carried MS 32/7c which consisted of Dull Black, Ocean Gray, and Light Gray. Both ships were repainted into MS 22 in 1945. John Sheridan www.shipcamouflage.com I am not Unit# 631 of the Lumber Cartel (tinlc) If there were a Lumber Cartel, the last place on earth I would look for it would be: http://come.to/the.lumber.cartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Tim Stoneman Subject: Re: O Class destroyers I think Chris' post is correct, in that OPPORTUNE was in the so-called Home Fleet Emergency scheme, and ONSLAUGHT in the Western Approaches scheme. However, I can't prove it! The best evidence I have is some IWM photographs in various publications (eg ONSLAUGHT - A17021 and OPPORTUNE - FL9074), captioned 'as built' or 'just after completion'. Given that PQ18 was only OPPORTUNE's first, and ONSLAUGHT's third, operation, I feel it's unlikely that either would have been repainted prior to joining the Fighting Destroyer Escort for that convoy. Tim Stoneman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Chuck Messer Subject: Re: Last Foxtrot In Shanghai? (a pun) Ned, >> Is anybody here familiar with both the Foxtrot and the PRC's Model 33 who can comment on the similarities and differences? Does anybody know a source of accurate Foxtrot plans I can get to model the sub (or even better, plans to the same scale of Foxtrot and Model 33 so I can do point-by-point comparisons)? << In answer to your inquiry, the Foxtrot class sub was bigger than the Romeo, designed for greater range, and had three shafts versus the Romeo's two. The center shaft was for an AIP propulsion system that the Soviets cancelled. Thus, the center shaft was tied to the main propulsion. The sonars were probably the same, so you could use the bow. For more detailed information, I'd recommend warship1.com. Click on Russia and you can get all the stats, plus history and some photos. The section on Rooskie subs is the most complete on the site. By the way, the history states that the Romeo was better than the Foxtrot in some ways, since the three-shaft configuration of the Foxtrot made the boat noisier, as the three prop layout tended to cavitate more. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Joel Labow Subject: 1/350 Tamiya Late WWII 'Square Bridge' Conversion From: Christopher Crofoot >> I'm working up for a conversion of the 1/350 Fletcher DD to a square bridge late war DD..... << Christopher, I don't know how much effort you have already invested in this project, but Tom's Modelworks makes a very nice parts kit which includes resin, cast metal, photoetch and detailed instructions to do exactly what you are proposing. I have one salted away and it's well worth the price of ~$40. I got mine from Floating Drydock but I believe that Pacific Front Hobbies carries them as well. Best regards, Joel Labow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Dengar Subject: RUSSIAN KASHIN CLASS DESTROYERS If anyone is interested in modelling these ships,they may like to contact me off line. I have a number of good references. Cheers Gary McGee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Square Bridge Fletcher >> I'm working up for a conversion of the 1/350 Fletcher DD to a square bridge late war DD. Consequently, I'm going to need some twin 40mm and some quad 40mm's (Tamiya Missouri has them). I was wondering if anybody on the list has any in their spares boxes that they'd be willing to part with. Failing that does any body know of a source for the BWN 40mm quads. I don't know if they're even in production anymore but I thought I'd ask. << Save yourself a lot of time and aggravation and get the Square bridge conversion kit from Tom's Modelworks. It already has all the stuff you're looking for. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Glencoe and Oregon >> Detailing kit for the USS Olympia (Revell) - and references for the Olympia "then" or as she floats Glencoe Oregon (and, if I can find the Oregon, a detailing kit for same) - and references for the Oregon << Toms Model Works makes a separate brass P.E. set for each. Gold Medal Models makes a combined P.E. set for both. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Jeffon10@cs.com Subject: Re: Foxtrot For Ned Bennet I believe the recent Chinese release of a Type 033 is a ROMEO vice a FOXTROT. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Ian Jukes Subject: HMS Palomares--Camo Standard Dear Fellow Modellers I am modelling the ship my late great uncle served on during WWII, HMS Palomares. She was a merchant ship converted to an AA ship and later fighter direction. She was one of the escorts on PQ17. Unfortunately I have run into an impasse as regards the camoflauge standard applied to the ship between 1941-1942. I have B/W photos of the ship between these dates which shows her sporting a 5 colour design. I have searched the admiralty camouflage records at the PRO, London and the closest I have come to a solution is a recommendation amongst the records to paint such AA ships in "DARK TONE with heavy disruptive pattern". If anybody out there is in possession of more specific information of the name and paint of the standard (I have RN colour chips) applied to the ship between the dates I would be indebted for their assistance. Regards Ian Jukes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: SMMLcon 2001/ 2002 Hi Guys, San Francisco Bay Area in ' 01 and the UK in ' 02 sounds terrific to us. Let us know when and where to sign up. This time I want sit back and absorb all the knowledge I missed trying to keep the ship from sinking while everyone else had a good time. I guess we suceeded, no one got wet. But, remember the "Fire Drill"? John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: SMMLCON Locations So the nominations (So far: Shane) are: 2001 Halifax San Francisco New York 2002 All or any of the above, plus Portsmouth Oh dear! I'am concerned that this could cause a schism in the list. The hosting of a popular Event like SMMLCON (and I'd like to offer belated Congrats to the organisers of the first SMMLCON, which from what I've seen on the list was a resounding sucess) present the danger of prevoking all the problems that you see at some IPMS events. I'd be interested in hearing members opinions on choosing venues especially the veiws of this years hosts. Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ed Grune Subject: Announcement: IPMS-USA Nats Hello SMMLies: With all of the recent postings about the success of SMMLCon 2000 and plans that are being made for SMMLCon 2001, I thought that I'd bring everyone up to date on the status of the IPMS Nats scheduled for Dallas this July 19 - 22. Vendors ~ all 300+ tables are spoken for. We're taking wait-list orders for tables and are working with the the room planners trying to find some extra space. Classic Warships, JAG Collective, and Corsair Armada are confirmed vendors. Registrations ~ At two months out, we're ahead of our expected pre-registration goals. The big pre-registration push normally comes in the last 4 to 6 weeks. Hotel Rooms ~ we have exceeded our initial room block reservations with the hotel. There are still rooms available in the hotel but they're going fast. Make your reservations soon. Go to the IPMS-North Central Texas convention website for detailed convention info. http://www.ipmsnct.org/toc.html Ed Mansfield, TX IPMS-NCT Committee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Parts Favor >> I'm working up for a conversion of the 1/350 Fletcher DD to a square bridge late war DD. Consequently, I'm going to need some twin 40mm and some quad 40mm's (Tamiya Missouri has them). I was wondering if anybody on the list has any in their spares boxes that they'd be willing to part with. Failing that does any body know of a source for the BWN 40mm quads. I don't know if they're even in production anymore but I thought I'd ask. Thanks in advance... << Chris, Go to my web site, and look up the USN Fittings list and you will find a virtual cornucopia of parts available for sale. Thanks, Steve - www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Loren Perry Subject: To Ned Barnett Your Revell Olympia and Glencoe Oregon kits can be detailed with the Gold Medal Models Set No. 240-4 (Olympia/Oregon set @ $40 plus $1 postage.) This one set provides enough parts to fully detail both kits and features 3-D relief etching throughout. Two of the best references are the books "American Battleships 1886 - 1923" by John C. Reilly, Jr. and Robert L. Scheina, and "The American Steel Navy" by John D. Alden. Both books are published by U.S. Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, MD USA. GMM's 1/700 WW2 German Warship set (No. 700-5 @ $12 plus $1 postage) can be used for your Graf Zeppelin along with assorted smaller GMM sets such as the Watertight Doors, Extra Ladders, Cable Reels, Aircraft Details, and Naval Figures. The GMM Flag Decal set (No. 700-1D @ $6 plus postage) provides WW2 Kreigsmarine flags in scales from 1/700 to 1/350. For more details on these detail sets, visit the GMM web page at: www.goldmm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Special package offer Hi group, Warship Books is offering the following special package offer. Purchase the Warship Perspectives Atlanta or Fletcher, Gearing & Sumner book plus the S&S USN#1 chipset for $55Cdn a savings of $9Cdn, if purchased separately US & Int'l price $37US a savings of $6US, if purchased separately. Shipping at the one book rate. If Int'l buyers prefer to send me $Cdn, that's ok by me. I just find that most of you are more use to $US. Please visit Warship Books http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ for full details Happy modeling Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Rob Mackie Subject: Warship Update New additions to the Warship (http://warship.simplenet.com) site in the past week include the following: -Review of NNT 1:700 Austro-Hungarian BB Radetzky, 1916 by Steven Backer -Maru! David Miller Looks at 1:700 IJN Combat Merchant Ships -Buildup Review of Iron Shipwright 1:350 Dido Class Cruiser HMS Naiad by Steven Backer -Review of Samek Models 1:700 Uboat Tender Saar by David Angelo Additions to Model Gallery: 1:500 IJN Zuikaku by Quinn Bracken (Nichimo) 1:500 IJN Heavy Cruiser Haguro by Quinn Bracken (Nichimo) 1:700 IJN Akagi by Mike Taylor (Hasegawa) Rob Mackie Warship Webmaster & Editor http://warship.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume