Subject: SMML VOL 923 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 01:55:42 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Punch and die sets 2: Re: LCAs 3: Re: 1/32 small craft 4: Re: 1/32 scale or 1/35 scale small boats 5: Re: Hein mats 6: Re: British Pacific Fleet Colors 7: Re: 1/350 Texas 8: Re: Waldrons Punch tool 9: Re: RM Order of Battle, 1939 10: Railings, Canadian navy Grey & Halifax 11: demographics 12: Ordnance Pamphlet 13: Hein Mat 14: Range Clocks 15: BPF Paint 16: Range clocks vs concentration dials 17: American Battleship book 18: Re: LCA 19: Range Clocks 20: Re: 1/32 Scale 21: Re: 1/32 scale or 1/35 scale small boats 22: Chinese carrier 23: Re: Hull numbers 24: Re: Waldrons Punch tool 25: Admiral Gorshkov 26: Konig IBR anyone? 27: Autocad and Internet 28: Battleship Clocks 29: Re: Waldron Punch Tool 30: Re: 1/32 scale or 1/35 scale small boats -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Future SMML-cons 2: SMML Mini-convention 3: SMML Con 2001 New York 4: 2001 SMMLCon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1/350 USS Brooklyn from Classic Warships 2: New from Tom's Modelworks 1/700 scale brass set #747 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Punch and die sets >> Is there anyone who can help me to find a Waldron Punch Tool on the web. Can't find it (or similar product) here in Sweden. << You can purchase them through Historex agents at: http://www.historex-agents.demon.co.uk/punch.html Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Les Pickstock Subject: Re: LCAs Jacques I have two excellent articles about LCAs one with drawings to 1/76th scale and the other to 1/35th. I'd be happy to send you copies. If you would like these, contact me off list and send me a mailing address. The smaller drawing is for a card model but can be easily adapted while the larger drawings include details of the Rocket grapples used at Pointe Du Hoc. Les Pickstock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Re: 1/32 small craft Lindberg has a 1/32 LCVP. A "special edition" version is pretty common and cheap on the shelves and eBay right now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/32 scale or 1/35 scale small boats I recently saw in one of Squadron Mail Order's catalog inserts, an ad for a 1:35th scale PT boat. I didn't see who manufactured the kit. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Hein mats My many thanks to all those both on and off list who responded to my query. I knew someone would know and I was right. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: British Pacific Fleet Colors It is NOT the light, every ships was in a different color. Good luck. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/350 Texas >> Having been warned by the good SMMLies hereabouts about the Viking Texas, I'd like to know if anyone can suggest an alternative. << Good things come to those that wait. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Al Superczynski Subject: Re: Waldrons Punch tool On Fri, 26 May 2000 00:42:34 +1000, Björn wrote: >> Is there anyone who can help me to find a Waldron Punch Tool on the web. Can't find it (or similar product) here in Sweden. << Try Roll Models at: http://www.rollmodels.com/ HTH, Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Melvin Burmaster" Subject: Re: RM Order of Battle, 1939 The Deutschland class pre-dreadnoughts still in service with the Reichsmarine were: Schleisen, Schleswig-Holstein The Braunschweig class pre-dreadnought Hessen was also on the list, although as a r/c target ship. The Wittlesbach class pre-dreadnought Zahringen was also on the list, although as a r/c target ship. The Gazelle class light cruisers Medusa and Arcona were on the lists, as AA floating batteries. The Bremen class light cruisers Hamburg and Berlin were extant, but hulked. MJBurmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Ian MacCorquodale" Subject: Railings, Canadian navy Grey & Halifax Hi Gang, A couple of questions: 1) Does anyone know where to get railings for Zhengdefu kits. Jinan in particular. They are noticeably missing from the otherwise great kit. The scale is not listed but I would guess just short of 1/200 scale. Pics of what I finished with are on my new model page: http://www.geocities.com/macmodels/ 2)Looking for suggestions as to how to match modern Canadian Navy Gray. 3) Re Halifax, we may be small but we are mighty..... judging from the over 8000 visitors to the Maritime Museum's Atlantic ship modelling expo. With regards to things to do for spouses, its a never ending list! We host over 1000 festivals of one type or the other over each year, lots of great shopping, The Largest Victorian Gardens in North America, More bars per square mile than anywhere! Scenery,History, nightlife, and festivals make us a great spot to visit, and the best thing, anything in the province you want to attend is a few hours drive at most. Add to this the Naval Dockyard, the Coast Guard dockyard, the Bedford Institute of Oceanography,The Bedford Basin, The Sackville, CSS Acadia, and frequent warship port visits,and Maritime Museum(s) will keep any SMMLie smiling for weeks! Not to mention, the people here are Friendly and helpful! (No Offence New York!) I could go on for days..... ;-) And The US Dollar is worth a buck and half! To see some of our visitors over the past while, I humbly suggest a stop to my Naval Photography Site. Over 700 pics thus far. http://www.geocities.com/macrachael/ Whew! Thanks for listening..... Ian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Kenneth H. Goldman" Subject: demographics Shane, It in no way infringes anyone's privacy to post a list of how many members reside in which US state, Canadian province, and nation. It is not necessary to give out names and addresses to do this. Even without the usefulness of this toward planning another conference, I found find such a list interesting. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER http://www.wman.com/~khgold/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Douglas Bauer Subject: Ordnance Pamphlet Does anyone have a copy of Floating Drydock's ordnance pamphlet #OP-18 (3"/50cal Twin Open Gun Mk27)? If you could please contact me offlist, I'd be much obliged! Thanks Doug Bauer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "wblad" Subject: Hein Mat The Hein Mat recovery system used a mat on a roller that was unrolled directly astern the recovery ship. It was tried by several European navies but was discarded by the beginning of WWII. This should not be confused with the U.S. Navy system in which the recovery ship steamed in an arc into the wind to create a slick for the floatplane to land. A bright yellow sled was let out on a cable off to one side of the ship. A barb-like hook on the bottom of the central float engaged a cargo net on top of the sled and then sled and attached plane were hauled in to the side of the ship where a crane lifted the aircraft back aboard. Although not without problems, this system was successful enough to be used from the 1920's until the end of the floatplane era after WWII. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Range Clocks Hi Bob The clock like devices are range clocks and were intended to indicate to other ships in a squadron what range the target was. On RN ships deflection scales were also painted on the turrets. Other navies used them as well the RN and the French for example but they weren't a particularly effective device and were gradually abandoned. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: BPF Paint Hi Phil The difference in panels is due to various factors. Different coloured paints being used for the panel - despite having laid out standards the RN wasn't particular about what paint it used. Differences in mixing, they weren't too particular about that either and weathering of the panels. To quote from official instructions "An exact match of colour is not essential but an attempt should be made to preserve the same relative tones (eg. Lightness or darkness of colour). Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "wblad" Subject: Range clocks vs concentration dials The term "range clock" properly applied the Ford Rangekeeper, an analog fire control computer which consisted of a series of electro-mechanical gears (clockwork) and servos. It was commonly misapplied to the Royal Navy developed Concentration Dials which greatly resembled clocks. Mounted fore and aft and able to be angled up to 30 degrees off center, these dials were to aid ships in formation to aim there guns at the enemy even if only one ship in the group could actually see the target. Added after Jutland and picked by the U.S. Navy during WWI, they were discarded by the start of WWII. The dial face was a white disk (the Colorado class had open centers) with black numerals from 0 (at the top) to 9. The inner pointer was blue and terminated in a diamond. The outer arm was red and ended in a circle. They were mounted on heavy cruisers as well as battleships. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Sean Obrien Subject: American Battleship book Hey anybody, I'm trying to find the book American Battleships 1886-1923 by John C. Reilly, and my search on the web is so far fruitless. Inter-library loan has failed me too. Anybody have a copy or know where one can be had? I'd be forever grateful. Sean O'Brien -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Re: LCA I know of two surviving LCAs (this information is accurate to about 1993) on the river Hamble near Portsmouth in England. Both have been converted to house boats but the basic structure is there. What scale are you thinking of building it in? There was a good article in a now defunct magazine called Army and Navy Modelworld back in June 1984. It gives details for building to 1/76 scale and even includes a template for a reasonable card model. I also have references (including photocopies) for a number of photographs held at the Imperial War Museum including some under construction. Agree with your comment about them scrapping it, very sad indeed. If you would like specific details, please contact me off-list. Dan Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Range Clocks "Honest Bob" [boy, that sounds like a used car salesman!] The clocks that you refer to are range clocks. They allow all of the elements in the battleline to concentrate their fire at the same range. If you will also look at the main battery turrets, you will see that they too have painted graduations. These are bearing marks. In the days before rapid and secure voice/data communication and radar fire control targeting the bearing and range data from the lead elements could be passed down the battleline to allow for concentrated fire. All you needed was a signalman with a good telescope. Ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Jean-Cyrille WAAG" Subject: Re: 1/32 Scale Hello, I know that Azimut Productions produce a 1/32 S-100 type S-Boat I hope that can help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/32 scale or 1/35 scale small boats James Owen writes: >> Does anyone out there know if ther are any manufacturers producing small craft or ships boats in 1/32 or 1/35 scale? Many thanks for any information. << Yes, if you are willing to do some scratchbuilding, a company in New York called Microglass sells nice hulls for a variety of these in 1:32 scale. You can see thier line at this URL: http://www.modelersboatyard.com/microglass/index.html He has PTs, coast guard types, even little dinghies. Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: Chinese carrier this just in the May 22 Navy Times: The Chinese have their carrier: the Minsk. It was sold for scrap in 1998 to a Korean businessman who in turn sold it to the Chinese in Nov. 1998. The window-dressing given this acquisition is that they, the Chinese, intend to convert it into a 'theme park' somewhere near Hong Kong. so, how do you say 'Trojan Horse' in Chinese? s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: Re: Hull numbers >> BTW I have seen real ships with their hull numbers not line perfectly as we modelers struggle to do. << this statement brings to mind the struggle our F8 crew at Hornet had with making sure the markings on the plane were just so--and definitely had to all 'stay within the lines'. The finished product is beautiful--but nowhere near 'authentic' when compared to photos of real Navy planes showing overspray on the surfaces from hastily applied stencils and such. Still, a museum model, whether 1:1 scale or otherwise, has to be better than perfect for the general public who don't want to see a weathered example, thinking it neglected. But I am still taken with the image of serious detail modelers aboard a real in-service Navy ship arguing over the 'authenticity' of the color scheme and what should be painted what color, or what pointy thing on the mast should be where :-) s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Waldrons Punch tool >> Is there anyone who can help me to find a Waldron Punch Tool on the web. Can't find it (or similar product) here in Sweden. << Try VLS (Verlinden, Letterman, & Stock). Their web site is: http://www.vls-vp.com/ Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Admiral Gorshkov This morning's news wire from ITAR-TASS carried an interesting article concerning the Russia/India contract for the delivery of an aircraft carrying cruiser to India. This would be an interesting addition to the Indian navy and an interesting subject for modeling. Regards, RhinoBones Thursday, May 25, 2000 Russian-Indian contract on cruiser to be signed soon. Source: Itar - Tass Itar - Tass via NewsEdge Corporation : MOSCOW, May 24 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian-Indian contract on updating and delivering the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov to the Indian navy is virtually agreed upon with the Indian side and will be signed in the near future, Russian vice-premier Ilya Klebanov told a news conference here on Wednesday. It is a large-scale project. In actual fact, Russia will build a new heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser according to technical specifications of the Indian navy. It is planned to conduct regular consultations with the Indian side on this project twice a year, the vice-premier noted. The updated Admiral Gorshkov cruiser will carry 30 deck MiG-29K, MiG-29 KUB fighters and six gunships. Provision is also made for updating all coastal infrastructure to serve this warship. The cost of the contract will total some two billion U.S. dollars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Shane Weier Subject: Konig IBR anyone? Hello all, A couple of days back Mike Hall noted the arrival of his first shipment of ICM Konigs and called them "fine kits" Well? That's good but *please* can someone who has seen the inside of the box post a short In Box Review Yes, I've seen the pic on EBay - but my patience is wearing *thin* Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Autocad and Internet >> I've taken it a step further by scanning and then tracing onto AutoCAD - this cleans up the distortions and gives you straight lines and symmetry which again you can scale to "life size" if you know what a certain dimension was. Since CAD is a 1:1 scale you can add all kinds of detail and there's another whole hobby right there, but you can always print/plot in any scale you want/ I have HMS Hood, HMS Iron Duke and HMS Canada on CAD if anyone's interested...I wonder how much it would be worth to provide this kind of service as a sideline? << Henry (and all) - I don't mean to shill for a client here, but I recently began working with Hypercosm, a firm that has revolutionized 3D graphics through a complex-to-explain but easy-to-use technology that will let you shrink Autocad designs into files small enough to easily transfer over the Internet. You can check them out at http://www.hypercosm.com (or see showcases at http://www.waycoolgames.com and http://www.waycoollearning.com). Right now, both the New York Times Online and NASA's Deep Space Group use Hypercosm to illustrate complex technology. Best of all, it's free to users (viewers) and to designers like you. All the best ... Ned (now back to modeling my Noah's Ark ...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Battleship Clocks >> I recognize almost anyone knows far more than I do about the pre WW II battleship Navy than I do. I have been looking, in vain, for some time to learn exactly what the "clock" like displays are on the upper cage masts on battleships? I actually thought I could only find shots of these indicators on the shots from the fantail, but have now seen several from the bow as well. At first to the untrained eye (mine....) they appeared to be some type of a large clock display. But as you look at the numbers displayed, it is apparent they are not clock faces. I'd love to have someone bring me up to speed on what they are and how they were used by the ship's personnel? << Bob - It's been a long time since we connected - I'm glad I know a little something about this. Those clocks were used in pre-radar days to help other ships (which might not be able to see the enemy through the smoke of battle) to figure out where the enemy was. These were range clocks - and they were used with metrics on the turrets themselves (which showed angles) to give a fairly accurate fix on what a ship was shooting at. My understanding is that these were an innovation of the RN, adopted by the USN when our fleet joined the Grand Fleet in facing down what was left of the Kaiser's Navy. Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Michael D'Silva" Subject: Re: Waldron Punch Tool Björn Dahlberg wrote: >> Is there anyone who can help me to find a Waldron Punch Tool on the web. Can't find it (or similar product) here in Sweden. << Yes, Björn, you can contact Robert Waldron direct on: wmpmodel@internetcds.com Their postal address is: Waldron Model Products P.O.Box 431 Merlin, OR 97526 USA They manufacture two different punch and die sets. The Precision Punch and die set contains six punches from .039 dia. to .160 dia This set was designed to remove our instruments from the mylar sheet. The Sub-Mini punch and die set contains ten punches sized from .018 dia. to .063 dia. Both sets have many different uses. They do not accept credit cards, but they do accept personal cheques(allow ten days for cheque clearance) and international money orders, the money order assures rapid shipment of your order. The Precision Punch and Die set price is $38.00 U.S. the Sub-Mini set is $71.00 U.S. Please include 15% postage and handling with your order. I ordered a Precision Punch and Die set in November 1999 and can honestly say that it was a pleasure dealing with both Robert and Doris Waldron. For some uncanny reason, more than a month after placing the order, the punch set hadn't turned up. Fearing the worst, Waldron Model Products immediately despatched a second set to me. This arrived about 10 days after it was posted - about the average time airmail takes from the US to here in Australia. Funnily enough, about 2 weeks after the second set arrived, the first one turned up. It had taken over two months to get to Australia! Needless to say, it was returned to Waldron Model Products who insisted on paying the postage. I still have the cheque for US$6.00, which I haven't cashed. It's hardly worth it, as the bank would charge me at least two thirds that amount (or more) to process the cheque anyway. I do apologise for the long explanation, but I can't help but feel that they deserve the praise, and, as you can see, I would have absolutely no hesitation in recommending their services. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: Re: 1/32 scale or 1/35 scale small boats >> Does anyone out there know if ther are any manufacturers producing small craft or ships boats in 1/32 or 1/35 scale? I am aware of the Verlinden minisubs, the Tamiya PBR, the Billings Smit Nederland and the new Nemrod model of a ship's boat circa 1812. I would like to know if anyone produces something like a 27 foot whaler in either of these scales or anything like a PT boat/MTB. << There is, of course, the Lindberg 1/32 Elco PT Boat plastic kit. 32nd Parallel makes a 1/32 E-Boat for RC and someone (Accurate Armour?) make a 1/35 resin E-Boat kit. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Future SMML-cons I once again must apologize for not making SMMl-Con I...in reading the posts about the site for future events...here's my 2 pence... Having the annual show in London, Sydney, or Tokyo is difficult for everyone...obviously, not to those SMMLies who live there...but I can't convince the wife, nor can I afford, to travel to the UK at this point in my life...same really holds true for events held on the west coast of the US... That being said, I would hope, that since this an international group of epic proportions, that we could have multiple SMML-cons in various locations throughout the year...I can't make it to the UK, but I'd love to hear about it or see the pics. Would I attend the SMML-con in NYC? Sure, I'm 40 minutes away...Do I care about a nameless Irish bar on Flatbush? Not really. Besides, you don't go to parts of Flatbush without a sidearm... . So let's think about some of the potential US sites...going clockwise around the US from Boston USS Salem, tried and tested. USS Massachusetts - lotsa boats, close to Boston and Mystic, CT USS Little Rock...I think it's the Little Rock...up in Buffalo. The USS Sullivans is up there too I think...no clue. This site is actually not too bad for those in the middle of the country...not too awful far from Chicago, Toronto, Detroit... USS Slater - A DE in Albany NY, not sure...they've just opened her I believe... USS Intrepid, are they willing to welcome us? Hard to say, I deal with them quite alot in the museum biz...very political and often unpredictable... USS Ling - Forget it...too small USS North Carolina - A good bunch of folks, would probably have us without too much hassle. USS Yorktown - Ditto to NC USS Kidd - Tim Rizzuto used to be the director there, not sure who's there now. Baton Rouge isn't tops on my list of night life, but New Orleans isn't too far away...Kidd is also in her WW2 config, unlike many others. USS Texas - I dunno, can't comment USS Lexington - ditto to Texas, I don't know anyone down there... USS Hornet - any west coast opinions? I think, if we're serious about this...that we put together a committee to explore these possibilities, contact these vessels (museums) and see what we can come up with? First thing we should do is poll the list members and find out what ships are closest, and how far are they willing to travel to get there? There's a couple of companys that do polls/surveys on the internet, you can paste the code into the SMML site... I firmly believe that associating ourselves as a group with these museum ships gives us a nice feather in our caps. It also lets the museum community know we care (for what that's worth). It also gets us more members, as we're in our environment, and we can interact with the general public who are visiting the ship on that particular day... Like I said yesterday, I don't have alot of free time anymore, but I'm willing to use my position as a museum director to get in touch with these organizations to inquire, but I think we need to get a feel for where, when, and how often... Best regards, Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: SMML Mini-convention In order to get over being miffed at my inability to attend the recent convention, I wondered if anyone thought it might be interested in the idea of a mini-convention sometime in the UK. I'm not thinking of muscling in on the Annual big convention, but putting forward the idea of getting together without crossing the pond. As a suggestion, somewhere like Chatham Dockyard or even Portsmouth might be an idea (I live in the south-east and so am bias). If this might be of interest, let me know. Dan Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Rule" Subject: SMML Con 2001 New York With ref. to post from WRPRESS in Issue 922: With such a wonderful description and travel brochure, how could anyone discount such a venue. New York, New York,.....what a wonderful place! By the way I thought that real 50's 45's were 78's, that's if there are any left that weren't made into fruitbowls in the 60's (now there was a decade). John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Paul Jacobs Subject: 2001 SMMLCon With regards to Alan's comments on why the next one should be in N.Y. here's what I say: 1. 50 bucks for a cab ride from Kennedy! Give me a break. 2. Alan says that California is too far for HIM to travel. Well, N.Y. is too far for ME to travel. Alan got to go to the one this year cause it was near N.Y.C. I didn't. Seems fair to all of us to switch coasts. 3. Alan complains it's too hot here. Alan, we're talking about San Francisco, not L.A. Temperatures in S.F. in May are usually in the low to mid 60's. May is one of the best months of the year to be in S.F. 4. S.F. has it's own aircraft carrier (the HORNET), a submarine, a Liberty ship, and a mothball fleet. It has a fine maritime museum, great restaurants, the Golden Gate Bridge, Cable Cars reaching halfway to the stars, art museums, and plenty to see and do. It is one of the top tourist cities in the world. And for those who want to take a few extra days to vacation, there's beautiful Monterey and Carmel two hours drive south, and Napa and the wine country an hour north. We got Redwood forests, mountains and the blue Pacific. Finally, hold it here, and I'll throw in a free tour of my 2300 ship model collection to anyone who wants to stop by. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: 1/350 USS Brooklyn from Classic Warships The pattern for the 1/350 USS Brooklyn is now finished and will leave for the casters on Monday. The Photo etch and white metal design for this is also finished and will leave for production on Monday as well. The instructions are the only remaining item left to design. This kit will represent Brooklyn in her May, 1942 fit, when she operated in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean, painted in Ms. 12-modified. This kit will debut thru Pacific Front Hobbies and sell for $190.00, full hull only. Next, the 1/350 USS Helena, is also very close to being finished. Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Tom & Carolyn Harrison" Subject: New from Tom's Modelworks 1/700 scale brass set #747 This set has been designed for use with the SkyWave IJN Submarine kits. The four kits W16, W41, W45 & W48 each contain two submarines so the sheet has been designed to provide brass for all 8 submarines. Set 747 is priced at $12.00 and as usual free shipping to SMML members. This set is available either directly from us or Pacific Front Hobbies. FYI, have ICM Konig kit and brass artwork will be going in next Friday. Watch SMML for release date. More new brass to follow, check out our web site: http://www.tomsmodelworks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume