Subject: SMML VOL 924 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:18:19 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: BPF Colours (note correct RN spelling) 2: Harrier markings in Operation Corporate 3: LCA plans 4: Autocad 5: Re: Chinese Carrier 6: Re: Punch sets 7: Where's Floating Dry-Dock? 8: ICM's 1/350 Konig is a big thumbs up! 9: Re: Yamato Silver Gray 10: Re: Canadian navy Grey 11: Warship International 12: American Battleship Book 13: Waldron's punch tool 14: Miniature Video Camera 15: Re: Chinese Carrier 16: CV-6 Model photos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Future SMML-cons 2: Re: Convention in NYC 2001 3: UK Convention 4: Re: SMML CON 5: Future SMML-coms!! 6: Re: Future SMML-coms!! 7: SMMLcon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Models Underway site update 2: GMM's PE set for ICM Konig/Grosser Kurfurst -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: BPF Colours (note correct RN spelling) >> In a series of colour shots of the British East Indies Fleet saying goodbye to the USS Saratoga a procession of RN Ships are shown, basically in the same lighting conditions. The standard blue panel seems to vary from Light grey with a blue-ish tinge, through a rich light blue through to almost a dark grey. Does anyone know whether this is another one of those "paint-mixing" problems, or is it "just the light" ?" << Phil, It may have been neither...it MAY have been (hold on now) DIFFERENT COLOURS! The camo scheme you're describing is the Admiralty Standard Type. Referring to Alan Raven's series in Plastic Ship Modeler (information I'm sure we'll find in much expanded form in his upcoming and anxiously-awaited books on RN camo), we find that there were 4 major variants of that scheme (and 2 more for coastal forces). Scheme A used a panel of B20 on a G45 hull. Scheme B, worn May to November, used a panel of B30 on a B55 hull. Scheme C used a B55 panel on a white hull. Scheme D used a G45 panel on a B55 hull. So, you have 4 different possible panel colours. If you'll refer to our RN paint chip sets (you do have them at hand, don't you?) you'll see that the range of colours is just about as wide as what you describe in the film. Add to that the fact that the colour of B30 and B55 appears to have changed about 1943 (our chips represent the later colours; we will include the earlier colours in RN Set 3, thanks to the efforts of Kim Tomlinson) and you can have a couple of other variables. I suspect what you're seeing on the film is, in fact, different colours of paint! Now, doesn't THAT make every RN modeler's day easier..? John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Harrier markings in Operation Corporate By the time the Harriers went into action, they had had their white undersides repainted in gloss Extra Dark Sea Grey to match the upper surfaces. At the same time, the white element of the roundels (12" on fuselage sides, possibly the same on the wings or if not, 18") were generally overpainted in Roundel Blue. The red part remained in pink. However, a second batch was also sent, which were semi-matt Medium Sea Grey vertical and upper surfaces, with undersurfaces in semi-matt Medium Grey and intake interiors in white. The only other markings you are likely to see in 1/700 scale are the three-digit serials on the upper intakes each side, which were 16" high and in light blue (matching the roundels), as the tail markings appear to have been painted out during the period of hostilities. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: LCA plans There is a plan and side elevation in 'D-Day Ships' by (I think) Yves Buffetaut. I also found some (by Arthur North) in Army & Navy Modelworld for August 1984, and of an LCS(M) Mk.1 (which shared the same hull) in Marine Modelling Dec.86/Jan.87. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Timothy Dike Subject: Autocad The best way to share AutoCAD files on the internet is via the DWF file format. This give you zooming and panning abilities, as well as the ability to save the files to your computer. Anyone can view the files using the plug in that AutoDesk provides on their website. The only drawback to using DWF is that some smaller ISP's haven't added that file type to their server yet (mine included) and you might have to upload your file to one of the many web page providers. mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Re: Chinese Carrier Hi Everyone, Well, according to the update from APC Hobbies, Trumpeter is releasing (or has already) a 1/550 scale Minsk kit. I wonder if they acquired the Lindberg molds, wasn't that kit about that scale? Very interesting...... A coincidence?...... BTW - Anybody out there knows if Trumpeter has a website? Felix Bustelo Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Punch sets >> Try Roll Models at: http://www.rollmodels.com/ << Not to belittle Roll Models, but I checked thier prices against the Historex Agents price when I purchased mine and they were way higher. That's unusual since Historex Agents would have to send the products from Europe. Can you spell markup? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Where's Floating Dry-Dock? I've been trying for a couple of days now to contact Floating Dry-dock via their web site with no luck. I just get "page cannot be displayed." I tried my usual bookmarks, no luck and even tried going through Tony Mattelianos links site with the same result. Is there a problem with their server? Have they moved to a new URL? Not according to Yahoo. Anyone know what's going on? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: ICM's 1/350 Konig is a big thumbs up! I just received my copy of this new kit from Pacific Front Hobbies. The first thing that impressed me, was the size of the box and the artwork. When I ripped off the shrink-wrap and opened the box, I was truly impressed right away. The finesse of the detail is really good. At a glance, this kit appears to be really accurate. The quality level is as good, if not better than any of the Tamiya 1/350 kits. The instructions are especially good. This kit is a true winner! I will be writing an article for the debut issue of Model Ship Journal, which will be out in mid June, so look for that. I have also assisted Gold Medal Modals with really good drawings, out of Germany, of this class of ships, so they will provide us with the BEST photo etch set to truly make this model stand out. Loren's photo etch will provide us with more than just the bare bones items, and truly good details, which is why I highly recommend his set's. Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Yamato Silver Gray Mike Connelley wrote: >> In the Skuski book, the color page says the color was known as a silver-gray, and in the Requiem of a Battleship (if that's the proper title) a survivor of her sinking notes that she was silver. << Hi Mike, I'm not a paint expert, so don't anyone shoot the messenger. There is an article in Warship International, No1 1982 by Linton Wells on the painting of Japanese Ships. It states that " During the Pacific War, the Imperial Navy's basic grey became more of a silver-grey. Apparently this was because various material shortages led to the proportion of black used in the warship grey formula being reduced, while small amounts of blue and brown were substituted in its place." In an appendix, he gives a couple of mixing options to simulate the paint colours. Warship grey - 3 White: 1 Black and Warship silver-grey - 75 white: 15 Black: 5 Brown: 5 Blue. You can experiment if you wish. HTH, Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Darren Scannell Subject: Re: Canadian navy Grey Hi Ian, I went to the hobby store last week and picked up several jars of paint that I thought to be close to The Canadian Naval colours. I haven't finished spraying them, but when I do, I'll post the results after I check them against the paint samples I got on board last year. Regards, Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: Warship International For those who are not subscribers, the new issue of Warship International - No. 4, 1999 (yes, that is the new issue) is a special edition devoted to the design and technical characteristics of the Essex Class. If you are interested in these ships you will want this issue. The W.I. website is: http://www.primenet.com/~inro/. I'm not associated with the magazine, I just thought some of you might be interested. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Joel Labow Subject: American Battleship Book The best advice that I can give you in purchasing Scheina (or any other rare book, for that matter) is to make a habit of (a) logging onto the Advanced Book Exchange website every day, and (b) DROPPING EVERYTHING AND CONTACTING THE BOOKSTORE ASAP when a title of interest to you appears. These books disappear with startling rapidity when they do come on the market so time is of the essence! After learning my lesson the hard way on several occasions I was able to come up with copies of both the Scheina book and Alden's Flush Decks and Four Pipes by that method.....good luck! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: Waldron's punch tool Bjorn, By now, you may be drowing in leads. But, let me suggest Roll Models, www.rollmodels.com here in Minnesota. I've purcased both sets from him in the last few months. Delivery is OK, price is at or below list. Mark Doremus Eden Prairie, MN USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: Miniature Video Camera Hi AOL spammed me with this advertisement but I thought this was kinda neat, and might be something with potential for the radio control modelers on the list. Its a miniature color video camera and transmitter. Stick this in the bridge, maybe on a pivoting platform, or in the hull facing upwards, trained on a mirror set under the bridge roof at a 45 degree angle. Like a periscope. Then you can navigate from a color TV on shore. Only has a 100 foot range though. http://www.x10.com/home/offer.cgi?BRV1,../1index4974.htm Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re: Chinese Carrier Hi All The Chinese for Trojan Horse is ?????(teluoyi muma) Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: CV-6 Model photos Greetings, A former crew member of USS Enterprise CV-6 has sent me some scanned photos of the latest model of CV-6 at Pensacola as well as the new CV-6 visitor area. These are personal photos and not for publication. If anyone would like to see them, contact me off line and I will send them along. (They total about 900kb.) Happy Memorial Day, Steve Singlar Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Timothy Dike Subject: Future SMML-cons Why not have some local regional conventions for those who have difficulty traveling long distances. We can call it the SMML regional (name stolen from IPMS). Perhaps held in conjunction with some of the local modeling groups. I would like to see a voluntary SMML member directory that would locate some of us to assist in planning these events. mailto:Cadman@kc.net http://www.kc.net/~cadman/ "A still sea never wrought a skillful sailor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Convention in NYC 2001 Listen up Plebs, It cannot be held in the land of fruit and nuts because you are forbidden to smoke there. And anyway, who would want to see the redwoods and things like that when one can tour the best bars in the USA. The unnamed Flatbush Ave bar does not serve women, what more could you want? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Edward Brown" Subject: UK Convention Dan's idea of a UK mini convention is most welcome. Portsmouth has the The Festival of the Sea in 2001. This is an obvious date for a major convention as the last Festival of the Sea was really good value support by concurrent Navy Day, tall ships, a good selection of dealers in antiquarian naval books, marine paintings and other naval items. There was also a street festival and other displays. Unfortunately Navy Days on their own, as in Chatham, are becoming more and more depressing as the RN struggles to find ships to display. The Portsmouth musuem is being updated, which unfortunately, seems to mean retiring ship models, and replacing with more interesting things!! The sumarine musuem at Gosport is good value as is Priddy's Hard (an arsenal only open on puplic holidays) which has an atom bomb. Fort Nelson (one of the Portsmouth land side forts) which has an extensive artillery collection - including Saddam Hussein's giant gun. There is also a fort in the Solent - I have not been to this one. The Royal Marine musuem at Southsea is steadily improving. HMS Warrior, HMS Victory, Mary Rose, HMS Medusa (WW1 monitor), HMS Alliance, A1 (Holland), an X craft (mini submarine) and, I believe, a MTB provide a strong hand in ships. Together with the fact that this is a working naval dockyard. There is also Pounds ship breakers yard which can be viewed from the causeway. There are two Oberons and some minesweepers together with other craft awaiting demolition. The skelton of HMS Volage is still visible but the American, pre WW2, submarine has finally completely disappeared. There are aslo a fine selection of military armour - some American but mostly British. It is possible to talk your way in here and well worth the effort. Portsmouth also offers the opportunity to go to sea. The Friday night, sails at 18.30, run to Cherbourg, arriving 08.00 - returning midday Saturday. Partying (drinking, dancing and if you want, gambling) all night long with a little shopping in Cherbourg thrown in, with a well earned rest on the way back. Highly recommended and only £22. All in all I believe Portsmouth should be saved for a major convention in 2001 - to coincide with the Festival of the Sea. Therefore mini convention candidates for 2000 should be Chatham, HMS Belfast (if the ship will allow the convention) with river trip to Greenwich Maritime Musuem thrown in, or perhaps Hartlepool with the HMS Plymouth/HMS Onyx and importantly the Uboat. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML CON Ian MacCorquodale extolled the virtues of Halifax. However, the Boston Globe this morning had an article about the banning in Halifax N.S. of perfume, after shave, hair lotion, deodorant and any other lotion or potion that is scented (I have to presume that Nova Scotians don't have a problem with B.O.) and that the Mounties are arresting and criminally prosecuting anyone having the faintest wiff of perfume on or about their person. Is this true and if so might it affect any possible SMML CON? Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Henry Blecha Subject: Future SMML-coms!! Jeff brings together an interesting list of possible sites for a SMMLcom, whether it is next year or whenever. I would like to add Hawaii as a possible sight. There they have the USS Arizona, USS Missouri and the USS Bowfin as a start. Of course on the other side of Ford Island is the USS Utah or what is left of her Plus there are of course various ships on station at Pearl Harbor and tours have been available. Also as far as the folks down under this is much easier to get to than some of the other sites proposed. The big question is there anyone there that would be willing to undertake an effort to put a possible package together. I know of only one SMML located on Oahu. Maybe that's all it takes to get something like this started. Much of Jeff's list is obviously US oriented. IIRC there were also some possible sites in the UK as well as Canada. Can't forget those folks now can we?? If I had my druthers I would obviously like to see the US West Coast or even Hawaii. Since I live on the Upper Mojave Desert a trip to San Francisco is a possibility. Even Hawaii since we usually make our yearly trip in the May-June timeframe. Just as a sidelight to this subject and since I did bring up the desert thing. Disney spent some 6 months around our small community in the past year or so shooting material for the new Dinosaur movie. So in addition to the many locales around the world you will also see some of the desert here in So California, if of course, it hasn't be computer enhanced to much. Some of the same sites are the ones that you all saw at the end of I believe it was Star Trek 5 where Capt Kirk goes to meet and talk to God!!! That is an area that is called the Pinnacles about 20 miles outside of town. So what has this got to do with ships?? Absolutely nothing, just a bit of trivia. So much for SMMLcom comments. v/r HBlecha -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Re: Future SMML-coms!! Gents, I completely forgot Hawaii, but, that being said, try convincing my wife that we're going to Hawaii for a model convention... Need I say more? Best, Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Lorna Subject: SMMLcon 1) I'm glad SMMLcon 1 was such a success. Another thank you to John and his team of helpers who made it so good that we are having all these posts about the next one ;-) 2) Organising a formal event (a la the Nationals) takes time and energy. The issue is not to find a place to have it but someone to co-ordinate it and a few willing helpers that person can call on. This is a more important aspect of what makes a convention a success than the venue. 3) Personally, I think the idea of having one large stand-alone SMMLcon with smaller SMML events piggybacked onto either the Festival of the Sea or the various club Nationals every so often would work. That way, if anyone feels like co-ordinating the large event they can just step up as John did and do it. Spacing of the large event will obviously depend on how often organisers for such a thing can be found. But if no-one does step up then there will still be plenty of smaller fun events which will occur whenever SMMLies meet and the larger one then becomes more of a "MUST GO TO" when it does happen. 4) This way we might at least be able to get to ONE of them and meet more people on the list :-) Mistress Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Warship Models Underway site update Hello Everyone, I have added a couple of things to the Warship Models Underway site. First, a button and update page (similar to the Warship page - I am still learning here, and open to the good ideas of others!). Also, a closer look and the mechanism of my working 1/96 scale 5" gun mount. Coming soon a gallery update with some more great 1/48 scale models from Canada. All this and the message board, how to's and what not available for free at: http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm They look great on your shelf....but even better on the water! Kurt Greiner Warship Models Underway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM's PE set for ICM Konig/Grosser Kurfurst Gold Medal Models is putting the final touches on its design for the photoetched detail set for ICM's (Ukraine) fine new kits of the pre-dreadnoughts SMS Konig and Grosser Kurfurst. Work on both the etched metal design itself and the instruction sheet is almost complete. As usual, it will feature extensive state-of-the-art 3-D relief-etching for extra detail plus special parts for all four ships of the class. Our references include scores of excellent photos of the prototype, additional builder's model photos and related information from the Imperial War Museum in England, plus two complete sets of superbly detailed multi-view plans from two different sources in Germany. In keeping with GMM tradition, a few extra surprises will be included for the truly dedicated superdetailer. We expect to have this set available in about four to six weeks, and we promise it'll be worth the wait. Watch this site as well as our own website (www.goldmm.com) for the latest developments and availability. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume