Subject: SMML VOL 926 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:31:52 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: CVN-65 Builders 2: Re: Where's Floating Dry-Dock? 3: Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 4: Re: Detail & Scale 15 & 16 5: Re: Richard Hough and pronouncing English names 6: American Battleship book 7: The Worlds Greatest Shipmodeler and Women in Bars 8: Re: Richard Hough and pronouncing English (names) 9: Peter the Great! 10: Re: Larger ACW kits in resin?? 11: HELP 12: Southern Tornados 13: yamato: anatomy of the ship 14: USS Burleigh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: SMML 2001.. FOTS.. YES!!! 2: Festival of the Sea.. SMMLCon?? (Part Two) 3: Re: SMMLcom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Site upload 2: FS: Lindberg Kiev 3: Chris Drage's "fjordic" 1/700 HMS Penelope diorama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Joe Norris Subject: CVN-65 Builders Greetings, I'm looking for a single Tamiya 1/350 Enterprise part that some of you may have laying around. It's an optional use part: B8 If you have one of these and you don't need it, contact me directly. I'd rather buy a single part from you than the entire tree from Tamiya. Thanks! Joseph Norris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Re: Where's Floating Dry-Dock? Hi Guys I have the following to share concerning the Floating Dry-dock. It's phone number is 1-610-381-2001and yes it's still there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Rule" Subject: Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships In Volumes 2 (1906-1921) the scale of the drawings is given as 1:1250 with some being to 1:1500, 1:750 or 1:200 but the exceptions are identified. In Volume 3 (1922-1946) the scale of the drawings is given as 1:1250 with some being to 1:1500. In Volume 4 (1946-1995) the scale of the drawings is given as 1:1250 with some being to 1:1750 or 1:750 but the exceptions are identified. In Volume 1 on the back of the dust cover there is a reference which states that there are "500 constant scale drawings. One would have assumed that with a general adherence to a standard scale of 1:1250 in three of the volumes, the same scale would have been used in the other volume. This is not the case. In the case of Devastation the scale is most probably 1:1000. The same applies to Cochrane. However, whether there is a general adherence to this scale is in doubt. Any comments? John Rule -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: Detail & Scale 15 & 16 Craig: Your best bet on flight deck colors would be to find back issues of THE HOOK, the magazine of the Tailhook Association. Example: The Summer 1989 issue has a big article on Naval Air In Korea. Cover photo in color is CVG-2 F4Us and ADs on PHILIPPINE SEA. And there is a two page spread of color photos, several of them flight deck scenes. One is VALLEY FORGE - the deck is a rather faded No 21 Flight Deck Stain, the aircraft are from CVG-5. Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Richard Hough and pronouncing English names Both Hough and Ough are pronounced similarly i.e. Ho and O. I too am a great fan of Richard Hough, not only for "Dreadnought" but also for "The Potemkin Mutiny" and "The Fleet that had to Die". The last-named tells the saga of the Russian Baltic Fleet sailing half way around the world to meet defeat at the Battle of Tsushima in 1905. Both are great reading! Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Sean Obrien Subject: American Battleship book Thanks everybody for your help. I did get a copy finally through the library, but guess what? Many of the drawings and photos have been pulled out, probably 30 pages in all! Otherwise it's a great book. I'll continue looking for a copy of my own, so if anyone spies one let me know. Thanks, Sean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: The Worlds Greatest Shipmodeler and Women in Bars Was without question the late Norman Ough, last name pronounced 'O'. He inspired directly many modelers of note, including Glossop and Trollop. It is my opinion that his best work was the model of the Dorsetshire undergoing refit in drydock at Portsmouth. I used to go and see it at the Imperial War Museum when it was in a good state of repair. There was a two part article on the building of the model published in Model Boats I believe in the very late fifties or the early sixties. Any serious modeler should make an effort to read these articles. I knew the man, and always found him to be very helpful in every way. He used to describe in great detail to me his techniques, none of which included the use of plastics, modern adhesives and photoetch. It was all wood, paper, card and things such as brass rod. When he died in 1964 his collection was dispersed, with his letters going to one John Fisher. Unfortunately Ough did not keep copies of his own letters, only those that he received. Some of these make interesting reading, especially those from Admiral Beatty in connection with a model that Ough made for the Admiral in the early Nineteen Twenties. Beatty had commisioned a model from Ough of his Flagship as Commander of the Grand Fleet in late World War One after taking over from Jellicoe. As the 1" = 32' waterline model was nearing completion, Beatty came down to take a look at it in Ough's flat in London and was so taken with the model that he wanted to take it away with him there and then. Ough said that the thing was not yet finished, there being just a few things to go on, Beatty did not care and left with the almost completed model UNDER HIS ARM! where this and the many privately held models are at the present day is unknown, at least to me. Among the items that the man had was a selection of waterline paintings of cruisers as they appeared during the Second World War. Where these went I do not know; I found them valuable in respect of camouflage data. I did not write up any of the conversations I had with the man and so some of the stories will be lost with me - too bad. And as for models being covered in smoke, the Norman Ough model of the Dorsetshire was left uncovered in the workroom at the Imperial War Museum for many months deliberately so as to accumulate dirt and smoke in order to enhance its appearence. You may eat my shorts. And if anybody knows of a bar where they serve up Women then let me know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Andrew Hough" Subject: Re: Richard Hough and pronouncing English (names) Steve, Speaking as a Hough, although no relation, I pronounce my surname as Hoff. I'm never surprised when people mispronounce it. Shortly after we were married, my wife started to collect the different ways she heard people pronounce her new name and came up with 17 in less than three weeks. Hope this helps Regards Andrew Hough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Peter the Great! OK, Peter, your right. U da King! Your photo etch designs are very good and you should be highly commended on the work you have done for White Ensign Models. Since I am assisting Loren Perry of Gold Medal Model's with this particular set for the ICM Konig, in his efforts to battle the evil forces of "Brand X", I must carry his flag. With this much competition for a single photo etch set, customers will have choices. That is good. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Larger ACW kits in resin?? >> Does anyone make ACW ships in resin larger than 1:600? How about PE for them? Thoroughbred makes a long list of 1:600 models that are great!! Good for wargaming. But I would like NEW IRONSIDES or ATLANTA in maybe 1:300 or so for my den. Was going to do the 1:400 ex-Heller molds POTEMKIN for the den, till I opened the box!! << Yes, there are 2 companied doing ACW subjects in larger scales however the bad news is that one, LoneStar Models has just suspended operations. The owner wants to bail out but is apparently in negotiations to sell the company Lock Stock and resin. He made a good line of Confederate gunboats and Union Monitors plus misc other ACW subjects in 1/192 scale. He did not however have a New Ironsides. The other manufacturer is Cottage Industries Models who makes several very detailed kits, some with full interiors, others with partial interiors in 1/96 scale or larger. He presently has a really nice CSS Palmetto State, a USS Keokuk, and a David, The Hunley and is working on a full interior USS Monitor among others. He also does a rather nice Bushnell's Turtle with full interior. BTW there are pictures of some of My Buildups of LoneStar Kits, and WM Blackmore's buildups of his Keokuk and Palmetto State on the Warship site. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "James Cameron" Subject: HELP To all at SMML, Fantastic! Great to find help like this and to know I'm not alone with my hobby and interest in model ships. I myself have been building all of Tamiya's 1/350-scale ships along with Titanic and several other ships of different scales. I'm so happy to find other model ship-builders have the same problem as I myself do, such as finding information on the ship I am working on. At the moment I am working on Tamiya's 1/350-scale USS Enterprise CVN-65 and I cannot find any books with detail on this ship. I recently spoke to White Ensign Models and they gave me your e-mail address. I am looking for the book (The USS Enterprise in detail and scale. By Bert Kinzey. Published by Squadron.) Also I would like to know how I could get my hands on Gold Medal Model's popular handbook (Photo etching for the plastic ship modeller) as you say it has been re-released. I hope someone out there can help me with my request (and put me out of my misery!) Keep up the good work. An absolutely MAD Scotsman from Glasgow Ta much folks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Robert Vancel Subject: Southern Tornados We narrowly missed getting hammered by a tornado that tore up a small community a mile from the shop. The storm actually passed over the store and gave us quite a show. I'd never seen pink and turquois clouds before... The wife and I were driving over a bridge when the thing passed to our left. I thought we'd get blown off the road! Anyway, we got lucky as no one got killed or seriously injured. Robert "Hollywood" Vancel/nWMo Al Team # 78 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "chuah tze wen" Subject: yamato: anatomy of the ship dear sir, do you know where i can get yamato:anatomy of the ship by janusz skulski? i need it to finish my tamiya model. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Dave Judy Subject: USS Burleigh Hi guys! I'm looking for the Revell( Germany) kit of the USS Burleigh, if anyone has one to part with at a reasonable price, I'd be much "obliged" Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: SMML 2001.. FOTS.. YES!!! Well, Guys n Gals (and a cetain person who prefers the company of other men in bars..). I have been watching the various postings on the subject, and I concur with Edward Brown and Graeme Price, and Mike Dunn .. Portsmouth's Festival of The Sea would be MY choice venue for 2001. This event was last held in 1998. Over the 4 days of the festival that Dave and I were there, we got on board around 30 warships (.. and that wasn't all of them.. phew!!) as well as a large number of sail training vessels. It was bloody huge.. 4 days and we didn't get to see everything! Visiting ships came from all over the world. The programme of events was no less than spectacular. From the FAA Historic flights, through to Royal Marines "live" demonstrations. Seakings and Lynx flying in amongst the masts of huge sail training ships, with a backdrop of carriers, frigates, cranes... God, I just LOVE cranes...the Band of the Royal Marines with their Corps of Drums. .. several times a day.. fabulous concerts at night.. demos on everything from sail-making to historic diving... vintage steam lorries "in action" .. being ferried all over on (historic!) double decker buses and (free) water taxis ... HMS Victory's mainsail on show (from the Battle of Trafalgar) for the first time in just about a hundred years.. and all in THE most historic dockyard in the world! Bloody good beer as well from a number of local breweries who set up pubs in some of the historic buildings (girlies allowed!!). Real "spit n sawdust" stuff with impromptu sessions by whichever shantymen happened to be drinking at the time! We got a copy (mint!) of "British BB's of WW2" by Raven and Roberts for 30 quid into the bargain then had to carry the darned thing around for most of the day.. good place for art, crafts, books... also, the naval base accommodated around 150 food vendors, from a large French restaurant in a "posh tent" by the old Britannia moorings, with a full complement of specially-imported French staff, to vans selling freshly-prepared Baltis, Thai food, Chinese, Mexican, Veggie, .. and the usual "fast" stuff as well.. all spectacular value! Admission included the entire museum.. Mary Rose, Victory etc. There were upwards of 1/2 a million visitors I believe in 1998, over the 4 days, and the weather was fab! Sorry, I forgot to say that admission to the submarine museum at Gosport, over the harbour (on a nice ferry..), was also included in the price. I am sure that Jim Baumann's "museum" of shipmodels would be open to all as well .. maybe we could take a special trip out there .. he is but 15 minutes drive from Portsmouth after all, right on the River Hamble near Southampton, and an awfully sociable chap .. MAYBE Peter Hall, Jim Baumann, Edward Brown, and a few other bods could do some model demos ... you know, "tricks of the trade" .. "why we win all the competitions going" .. "seascapes" .. that sort of thing.... perhaps.. Maybe a trip to Vosper Thorneycroft ... I know that at least one of the SMMLies holds a key position there. Perhaps the SS Shieldhall at Southampton could be a venue for something.. I know that model shows are held there for example. However, re. organisation, I would say that informal "pub" gatherings, with days, places and times to be arranged, closer to the time, would be the way to go.. with SO much going on it would be criminal to be dragged off to a lecture room somewhere, when folks will be itching to get on to the ships, or round a particular exhibition!! BTW, if it all cracks off, and there are any SMMLlies out there who would like to bring a musical instrument along? There were hundreds of shantymen at the last event.. seems that Dave, me and John Snyder are already going to be singing and playing sea shanties together re. recent WARSHIP message board posts... perhaps we can have a few impromptu "SMMLlieBand" sessions together! O.K... my only problem, personally, re. being involved in the organisation (and I just LOVE organising things of course!), is the distance from Portsmouth from Ledbury .. it's 3 hours solid driving on a good day for us. However, we could certainly assist any "volunteers" in all sorts of other ways. Re. accommodation, I don't know what hotel would be the best for a convention.. maybe one in Southsea? There were regular buses running from this area to the venue ( a 5 minute bus trip) If I remember correctly, a good bit of Portsmouth was closed to traffic at the event, and everyone parked cars miles at a number of huge sites a few miles out and got "bussed" into the event. My mum and dad stopped in Southsea and being able to hop on to the bus first thing in the morning, worked brilliantly for them. Well, just a few more ideas to toss around the forum. Cheers! (A Wildly Enthusiastic) Caroline White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Festival of the Sea.. SMMLCon?? (Part Two) Hi Guys, Well, just after my post last night, I got a call from "modeller extraordinaire" Jim Baumann (he was after another thousand "little men" for his 1/350 Dreadnought and second 1/700 Warspite model). I mentioned the fact that I had volunteered his "museum of ship models" as a destination for a possible SMMLlieCon... and he was wildly delighted. He also offered to run an evening party with a barbeque (seems that he is happy to cater for up to 200 at his place!).. what a nce guy! He also has enough room for a good-sized additional model display. So... with someone prepared to take this sort of responsibility on their shoulders ... does this make FOTS, Portsmouth 2001 a likely candidate for the SMMLlieCon? Easy access for visitors from the continent too! A couple of hours from the London airports by car or and an hour and a half by train for "out-of-state" folk. Ideal opportunity to extend your stay to a wonderful holiday over here, and this brings me on to my next point... Many of you in the U.K. have made friends from all over the world.. just imagine.. the hospitality we could extend to our overseas visitors. They could move through the country and hardly have to depend on a hotel or B+B, from Falmouth through to Aberdeen! I for one would welcome other SMML folk into my home for food and lodging during their stay (though not all at once!!).. and you would HAVE to buy a model anyway (!!) .... I know there are a good many other friendly Brits who would also extend such hospitality. Food for thought... Thanks! Caroline Carter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "JAmes McCormick" Subject: Re: SMMLcom Okay, all the East Coast and West coast stuff aside, not really interested in bars(anymore). Women? Got one. Smoking? not an issue. B.O. and aftershave? Now we are getting WAY off tangent. I have been to the maritime park in Buffalo, USS Little Rock in Guided Missile config is a great tour, plus they do make special arrangments to stay onboard over night(well, at least they do for Boy Scouts). Also USS Sullivans, and I believe USS Croaker. Lots of Amphib stuff, plus some Japanese suicide bombs and subs. Another place worth looking at is HMCS Haida at lakeside park in Toronto. I know of a few Torontonians who will say how much they say Toronto sucks, but from where I come from(Cleveland), it a beautiful place to visit. But then, compared to Cleveland, just about ANYPLACE is a beautiful place to visit. Just my .02 worth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike" Subject: Site upload Hi all, Once again, the Archives are up to date. All submissions for the web site gratefully recieved, especially as I'm in the process of a revamp. The more, the merrier. The search function may be flaky for a while. I've contacted the people who provide this, and they are looking into it. I fear that they have a problem at their end, as several related sites that use them are experiencing similar problems...... Mike SMML Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: FS: Lindberg Kiev I'm posting this for a friend. For Sale: Lindberg 1:542 Kiev (#70772); Box in fair shape, all parts still in the bags (unopened), with instructions and decals. Best Offer. Email me privately offlist if you're interested and I will forward all inquiries to him (his email is through fidonet, and the address is a mile long). Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Chris Drage's "fjordic" 1/700 HMS Penelope diorama Hi Guys I have just finished uploading Chris Drage's latest diorama to the website. Chris is certainly one of those guys who can make a 9 inch long model look like the real thing!! Some great tips and techniques including how to do that magnificent sea- and landscape. Awesome! Please check it out at: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/penedrage/penedrage.htm Thanks! Caroline Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, for a fine range of photoetched brass for 1/600, 1/700 and 1/350 scale kits, and THE finest warship kits and upgrades in the world! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume