Subject: SMML VOL 928 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:49:36 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Chinese Carrier 2: Emden references 3: What Heppened to Glencoe Atlantic and Corsair 4: Re: Emden? 5: Lindberg PT-109 6: Mad Scotsmen? 7: Tall Ships 8: Norman Ough 9: The late Norman Ough 10: Re: Emden? 11: Re: Help with Japanese warship reference material 12: X-10 Marine Camera? 13: Dave Judy and the Burleigh 14: Memorial Day and Veterans 15: RN ship plans 16: Liverpool not Hartlepool! 17: Joint Strike Fighter 18: Trumpeter 1/500 Nimitz class 19: Re: Detail & Scale 15 & 16 20: Airfix RAF Rescue Launch 1/72 21: Re: Peter the Great!!!!! 22: HMS Warspite slightly O/T -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: SMMLcon 2001 - A Space Odyssey 2: Re: SMMLcon 3: Re: SMML 2001.. FOTS.. YES!!! 4: Smellie Con -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: I think I forgot something :-( 2: ICM 1/350 GROSSER KURFURST and an irresistible offer.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: drwells@hogpb.mt.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Chinese Carrier Felix Bustelo" wrote: >> Well, according to the update from APC Hobbies, Trumpeter is releasing (or has already) a 1/550 scale Minsk kit. I wonder if they acquired the Lindberg molds, wasn't that kit about that scale? << Lindberg's kit was advertised as 1/542, but I never actually measured mine. Maybe I should!! BTW: The Lindberg kit was really bad. The fit was atrocious!! I did a lot of work on it and made it into something almost mediocre. Lindberg is now run by an ex-MPC guy, and they seem to be concentrating on cars now, so it's possible that they sold the mold. OTOH, I've heard some reports that their Udaloys and Sovremenny's seem to be scaled-up Skywaves, so if they're into scaling up 1/700 kits, they might have cut their own mold based it on the Aoshima kit. >> Very interesting...... A coincidence?...... BTW - Anybody out there knows if Trumpeter has a website? << Not that I know of. David R. Wells "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drwells@hogpa.mt.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Foeth" Subject: Emden references You can order a book and a set of drawings by Gunther Huff at: www.christian-schmidt.com This is the link to an excellent general history book (German), but it mentiones the drawings as well. http://www.christian-schmidt.com/books/warship+book16.html Very good, as is the Revell model. Drawings around $35. GMM has an etching with basic details (Railing, ratlines etc), which should fit the model very well. Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Pasquill Subject: What Heppened to Glencoe Atlantic and Corsair For about 2 years Glencoe advertised the pending release of the schooner Atlantic and steam yacht Corsair. Almost every hobby shop on the web lists it but no one ever received a shipment. Glencoe has now simply dropped the items from their web site. Does anyone know what happened? Glencoe does no answer emails to the address on their web site. -J -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Emden? Ned Barnett writes: >> I broke down and bought the Emden yesterday (the 1/350 scale version); I'm looking for: 1. Reference materials << A great reference is: Emden - The last cruise of the Chivalrous Raider - 1914 by Franz Joseph, Prinz von Hehnsollern-Emden ISBN 0-904256-45-6 This particular edition of the Prince's memoirs, originally published in the 1920's, is illustrated with pictures and a fine scale drawing of the famous German cruiser. I have not seen a better reference on the subject myself, but would like to see more detail photographs of the ship. >> 2. After-market goodies << I would suggest considering Gold Medal Models Emden photoetch set. Although I have not seen it, if it matches the high standards of their other products, you should be very satisfied. Good luck with your project! Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography http://members.aol.com/SeaPhoto/index.html Warship Models Underway http://members.aol.com/wmunderway/home.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Charles McCreary Subject: Lindberg PT-109 Hi, I have a problem with the Lindberg PT-109 kit which I'm hoping you might be able to address. This motorized kit is supplied with two prop shafts which are supposed to turn inside of two tubes. The props supposed to screw on to the ends of the shatfs. My problem is this: the tubes covering the shafts are barely larger in diameter than the shafts and I have managed to get them stuck so that both the shafts and tubes are nowe useless. Any ideas as to how I might separate these items or where I might find useable substitutes? Charles R. McCreary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Mike" Subject: Mad Scotsmen? Shane scribbled: >> Only slightly mad!!!!! ;-)) Sorry, John, but with lines like that, Mike could have a go as well ;->> << Nah, some of my best drinking buddies are crazy Glasweigans ;-) How can I comment on the city that has Soggiehall Street (apologies for the wrong spelling, but it's been a few years since I was last in Glasgow) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Mike" Subject: Tall Ships Well, Seeing as there appears to be quite a bit of interest in the Cutty Sark Tall Ships Race (if you haven't already realised, this is what's arriving in Boston), Lynn & I have quite a bit of imagery of them, not only from this year's start in Portsmouth, but from years past as well. At the moment, space prevents us from posting these images in the immediate future but rest assured, we will have plenty available once the revamp is unveiled, from the small ones up to the largest, the old ones to the newly launched. Should you think you have items that we may be interested in for the revamped site, please drop Shane or myself an email. Mike SMML Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Norman Ough Re: SMML 927, 30 May, Post 6, Paul Jacobs >> It is sad that no book was ever written with comprehensive photos of his [Ough] work. << Paul, there is one book I know of that has many pages where Ough's models and drawings are pictured: BUILDING WARSHIP MODELS, by P. C. Coker III, Charleston, SC, 1974, 313 pages, over 800 photos of modern ( first part 20th century) naval ship models. It is 4to - over 9 3/4" x 12" tall. This book is listed on www.bookfinder.com $100 or $120 in 1st Ed., DJ, mint. If you do not own this book, try inter-library loan. It is a must book for steel navy modelers! Pictures of Norman Ough's models and drawings reproductions are on: * p. 22 and 23 - HMS HOOD (Four pictures) * p. 65 - Reproduction of a Ough drawing (Two page fold-out) HMS LION Battle-Cruiser 1909-10 * p. 47 - HMS VEGA D52 * p. 48 - HMS DARING H16 - model built in 1935, for then Commander Lord Louis Mountbatten. The DARING was Lord Louis' first command. (Three photos) * p. 97 - (Two photos) HMS DORSETSHIRE and HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH (Picture credit says: Imperial War Museum) * p. 98, 99 and 100 - the author (Croker) describes Norman Ough's method of "fashioning the finest warship models from ordinary sheets of tin." (4 diagrams of hull construction methods, picture of model of HMS MATABELLE, picture of the completed metal frame for HMS DUKE OF YORK, 4 pictures of the hull for HMS HOOD. * p. 165 - Reproduction of a Ough drawing: Typical details for British warships, DECKS AND DECK COVERINGS, * p. 222 - Reproduction of a Ough drawing: Details of WATERTIGHT DOORS AND HATCHES for British warships. * p. 242 - Reproduction of an Ough armament drawing: SINGLE MM BOFORS GUN MARK VII. * p. 263 - Reproduction of a Ough drawing: 50ft steam picket boat. * P. 290 - Ough model of HMS DORCETSHIRE in # 14 dry dock, Portsmouth undergoing her 1937 refit ( Two pictures) (This is the Ough model referred to in SMML 926, post #7 from WRPRESSINC@aol.com , first paragraph.) Their is a magnitude of ship model inspiration in this book! Art Herrick Westmoreland New Hampshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Lambert and Keel" Subject: The late Norman Ough I hate to say this. I too met the late Norman when he resided in the rafters above the shops in Charing Cross Road in London. I was on leave from the RN about 1967/8 (I'm not too sure when). He was elderly then, but building a tin plate model of a Tribal Class destroyer, or it may have been a "K" class. He showed me a set of working steam turbines designed to steam at 50 psi. He was building it for £5000 for someone in the West Indies. (£5000 was a great deal of money then). It would seem that he was sleeping on a camp bed in his workshop. As you say he was a great model maker, and a gentle man. Its a pity that he was unable to obtain the shipbuilders drawings that we can purchase now. It was Alan Raven and he that started me off on this daft hobby. Now that I am back home (Its almost a week now and just today it did not rain). I'm back on the drawing board at last after having almost caught up with my mail. Thanks for a really great time in the U.S. of A folks. USS Salem was a great experience and meeting the members John, Larry, Gene etc etc great fun. The Smellies meet was great, even for those that slept. Mr Butterly, Lockey and the Canadian Billy Connelly. and many others. I drove to Connecticut to stay with Glenn Arnold and his family. (Made me feel old). Alan Raven on Long Island (Made me cough, and very welcome). Peter Spier at Shoreham likewise, across the ferry back to Conn. to Ellington to stay with T Garth Connelly and his family. (They even let the dogs loose on me). I then drove north to Maine and renewed my acquaintance with Al and Di Ross from 1984/5. and their cat BW. (Black and White) (He too remembered me, sortov). My return to the hotel in Quincy even included a computer aided navigator run, through Boston. On one occasion I was following the road (on the wrong side as usual) under a bridge or underpasses when the computer showed me driving over water. But that's technology. I managed 1400 miles with no problems. I had a really great time folks, thanks to you all. John Lambert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Emden? >> I broke down and bought the Emden yesterday (the 1/350 scale version); I'm looking for: 1. Reference materials 2. After-market goodies << The best source of reference are the Huff drawings, available thru Christian Schmidt Books in Germany, web site @ www.christian-schmidt.com. You will need to order their plans catalog and order the drawings from there. These are the only set that is accurate! The photo etch set I recommend on this model is from Gold Medal Models, @ www.goldmm.com Have fun, Steve - www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Help with Japanese warship reference material Ed, You can get most of what you need thru Pacific Front Hobbies. I have an extensive library on Japanese reference, including drawings on the Mogami, and others, so contact me @ stevewiper@aol.com Steve - www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Tom Detweiler Subject: X-10 Marine Camera? Just FYI, I have two of these color cameras. They are designed for hardwire installation, AC power, for security use-- which is how I use mine, and they are quite good for that. The camera depending on which model has a built-in transmitter at microwave frequencies and is VERY directional. The receiver is also AC powered, and sits on or near the TV receiver. The units both have plastic-cased antennas that are about 4" in diameter, probably with an etched circuit board in them for the tuned antenna. They are very slick for security around the home, although hookup is a bit complicated with a home A/V system, tuner and TV set. Almost anything metal (screen door!) between the transmitter and receiver interferes with the signal badly. That wouldn't be a problem on a boat pond or lake, but the unit is VERY "line of sight" directional, not like a cell phone. The color cameras I bought require daylight and have almost NO low light sensitivity, so daylight use only. Whatever portable TV/monitor you use must have either cable input or direct A/V input for the receiver portion to work. Both use 12V DC inputs from wall-wart AC adaptors. I don't see why a decent battery wouldn't work; the receiver is 400mA and the camera/transmitter is 200mA (and I had to call X-10 for that, it appears nowhere in their DREADFUL manuals or on their website-don't look to X-10 for any technical help. Sales is their forte, not customer service!). BTW beware signing up for their email service, you will be deluged with spam mail from them. I bought 2 of the cameras, haven't hooked one up yet but playing with it on my property using battery power (gelcel) I found its range is nowhere near 100 feet, and falls sharply off at under 50 feet. I suppose if you had a way to keep the antennas pointed correctly it could be done but I wouldn't want to while trying to operate a multi-channel RC unit. All this could be done with an x-10 unit, but it would take a LOT of tinkering! There might be units out there that would work better than the x-10. Tom in Rocklin, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "William Oreto" Subject: Dave Judy and the Burleigh I purchased a Burleigh long before I standardized my collection to 1/700 and 1/350. Its been sitting in the attic for 4 or 5 years(actually there maybe two up there). The box is open but the parts are intact. If you would like the kit please contact me at WOreto@email.msn.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "William Oreto" Subject: Memorial Day and Veterans Its not really a modeling issue, but I would like to say to the veterans who read SMML, Ladies and Gentlemen, Thank You. Hi, Amen to that. Shane & Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Al Salas Subject: RN ship plans Hi everyone, Can anyone direct me to a good source of RN warship plans? I'm looking for plans for the HMS Exeter but will be needing others in the distant future. Thanks, Allan Salas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Liverpool not Hartlepool! Just been catching up on recent issues and thought I should warn anyone going to Hartlepool to see HMS Plymouth, HMS Onyx and the Type XI U-boot (SMML 924) that they will be on the wrong side of the country.... All three are actually near Liverpool, and well worth a visit, particularly the latter in my view. For a mere £10 sterling, we had a tour which lasted about an hour through the interior with a very knowledgeable volunteer guide and considering that the boat went down in 1945 and spent 50 years on the seabed, it is pretty good shape. You can even exhaust your 'Das Boot' fantasies and shout 'Alarm! Alarm!' and 'Los!' as you see fit..... The conning tower casing was being repaired at a separate location when we were there a couple of years ago but it may have been returned by now. If in the area, don't forget to visit Western Approaches HQ from which the British end of the Battle of the Atlantic was directed. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Joint Strike Fighter http://www.nwcn.com/news/strikefighter.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: Trumpeter 1/500 Nimitz class Hello, I just bought the Trumpeter 1/500 USS Carl Vinson and want to pass along some of it's features. This is an odd model--In a lot of ways it looks like they used Tamiya's Enterprise for reference. There are about 170 pieces in total, not including the airplanes. The hull length is 26", and the beam is 3-1/8", not measuring the sponsons. The overall width at the deck is 6". The hull is one piece, looks OK, but has very minimal detailing. There are raised squares that represent the many openings and refueling decks in the sponsons. It has a pronounced bulbous bow, but I don't know if that's right for CVN70. There are molded-in anchors that look absolutely horrible. The elevator guides are separate pieces, and it looks like the elevators can move up and down. There are twin skegs for the inboard props. However, there are only 2 scale props. They provide four props to be used for the powered version, but they are 4 bladed and are very crude. The rudders are a little oversized, and should be trimmed to proper scale size. On my model, the motor is already inside and is wired, but can easily be removed. The deck is 3 pieces, just like Tamiya's CVN65. The landing area is wierd--whereas some carrier models have the landing stripes raised, this deck has the areas inside the stripes raised. Very odd. The white stripe/arrow for non-catapulted aircraft is also raised. The catapults are simple grooves running along the deck. No access panels are scribed. I counted 12 sinkholes in the entire deck. But, since there are no padeyes or other deck details, these can be filled and sanded smooth with the deck. The fit of all 3 pieces is pretty good, though. They do include the life raft containers that go around the deck, the fresnel landing system, and a close-in support "Phalanx" gun, all of which leave a lot to be desired. The island also leaves a lot to be desired. The main portion is 2 halves, with the bridge decks stacking on top. It is a lot like the Italeri Nimitz island. The halves have some details like ladders, elongated octagonal raised shapes (radar??) and a few hatches. The bridge windows are disappointing. Each window has a recessed post separating them, making the windows look like little squares. The mainmast is OK, and is in many pieces. But the radar assemblies are absolutely horrible. They're mostly solid, smooth with very light scribing. The radar tower behind the island is equally as shabby. Instead of representing a lattice work tower, they made it solid with "X's" scribed in it. Even if you get by all the above, I have one piece of advice for the airwing--Throw it away. The planes look OK from above, but their profiles are all wrong. The wings are thick, probably about a good 3-4 scale feet thick. Their profiles are grossly rounded, almost like a caricature. They're pure junk. They include F14's, F18's, SH3's, SH60's, E2's, and a few cranes and mules. Pure junk. The decals are also totally inaccurate--the numbers are rounded. There are a few round markings for the helicopters, and they do include the banners warning about props, jet blast, etc. With all this said, this is probably a good 5 foot model--From 5 feet away it looks good, but don't get up close. I'm sure some aftermarket brass detail kits could do this kit justice. I was fortunate enough to get to see the kit opened before I bought it. I still bought it for $40, knowing the shortfalls. I plan to raid a partially built Revell Saratoga for the planes and some other small parts, even though the scale is slightly different. Again, I knew this model had shortcomings, but it is the only larger scale model of a Nimitz class available. So with that in mind, some things become quite bearable. Feel free to contact me off list with any specific questions. Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: Detail & Scale 15 & 16 Craig: From the deep, dark caverns of my mind, I also recall a National Geographic magazine on the USN in Korea - Dec 1953 or so. It had a color photo of Phil Sea with a much, much lighter flight deck. NOT dark wood, but almost deck teak. If a library near you has NG magazine over the years, look for it. Again, though, it depends a lot on the year you are trying to represent. Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "MJW" Subject: Airfix RAF Rescue Launch 1/72 Any comments on the quality of this kit? Also looking for some photographs and/or references - any recommendations? See what SMML does to you, three years ago I would have just glued the thing together - now I do research. That proves the point, this kind of site improves standards! Thanks in advance, Kind regards Malcolm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Subject: Re: Peter the Great!!!!! Thank you, Thank you. I've now turned back to my normal colour instead of bright pink, Steve. Thanks for the input Caroline, I totally agree with what she has said. I hope that Loren will continue to be an inspiration to us all for a long time to come and the provider of exquisite PE accessories that transform plain old ships into works of art. The forces of the evil Brand X should be put to bed for good, and I wish you Steve and Loren the best of luck with your forthcoming project. Sorry for the delay in reply, but I think I ate or more likely drank something that disagreed with me and I suffered for it yesterday. Whada ya mean, Again, Caroline??? All the best Peter Hall WEM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Alan &Teresa Scheckenbach Subject: HMS Warspite slightly O/T I'm at my wit's end chaps. In doing some research for a book I've been writing I need to find the April 1940 log from the Warspite. It's not in the PRO in London and the contacts I have for the HMS Warspite Association are no longer active. I'm looking for a log reference to the Warspite sighting and firing at (with main guns also) a He111 on April 13 or 14 off the coast of Norway. Additionally I was looking for the names of the captain and gunnery officer at the time. Thanks Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: SMMLcon 2001 - A Space Odyssey Gee, with all these great ideas for earthly locations, has no one considered the Space Station? Of all years, there is only one 2001. Think of it, almost equidistant from everybody. Dave Riley Portsmouth, RI (with tongue firmly in cheek) I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: SMMLcon >> So what's wrong with Roseburg, Oregon? Maybe a tour of the Bayliner factory could be set up, and the Roseburg Livestock Auction is practically right next door. Think about it. << Hey Bill, How about some of that famous "Mad Cow BBQ" you have been raving about? Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: SMML 2001.. FOTS.. YES!!! Mr "Chips".. I thought YOU might be in the wings somewhere! >> I WILL be there! I can provide three guitars, two banjos, two dulcimers, and any number of harmonicas in different keys. I'll start looking up my shanties now. << I'll send a few tapes over to help you along. THEN of course, if folks can STAND my bagpipes, violin, errr... more guitars, flutes etc.. Anyhows, surely you're not going to play THAT lot at once! >> it's 3 hours solid driving on a good day for us. << >> Promise to ride with me and I'll ship my bright yellow Miata over! << Well, so happens as I've ridden in a Miata (MX5) already, and it WAS pretty cool (topless, you see.. the car, not me, by the way..). OK anyone got any advice on shipping a vehicle over to the U.K. Wouldn't like to have to pay V.A.T. at 17.5% on THAT little beastie! >> I for one would welcome other SMML folk into my home for food and lodging during their stay (though not all at once!!).. << >> Will you still be at Ledbury? << Errrmm.. I'll be moved out near to Bromyard in 4 weeks, a little ways out from Ledbury.. I could certainly find you room though! >> I wouldn't miss this on a bet! Sign this Yank up now, from 6,000 miles away. As attractive as you make the UK sound, you could turn me into an ex-pat! << .. and you haven't seen Herefordshire yet... a shock to the systems to you "non-cultured" Yanks ;¬)) (Dive, Dive, Dive.... Periscope depth of course.. wouldn't want to miss the action!!) Best, Caroline Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Alan Smith" Subject: Smellie Con I think we ought to have the next con at Steve Wipers house. He's got everything we need....a cement pond and a ton of ship models to play with! Joe of JAG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: I think I forgot something :-( Hi group, That's what you get when you stay up past your bed time trying to write an intelligent (quiet Drage) email. For the record, Warship Books can be found at: http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ Keith Butterley Hi Keith, Don't worry about Master Drage, he's got an appointment with some finger chopping equipment soon ;->>. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: ICM 1/350 GROSSER KURFURST and an irresistible offer.. Hi Guys, Oh good news indeed... The ICM 1/350 Grosser Kurfurst will be here tomorrow or Friday (theoretically!). The Konigs are as good as LP said they were.. and we are processing orders right now. Peter will have a Grosser Kurfurst shortly and will be in a position to get the photoetched brass details sorted for this one as well. Price of either kit is 42.72 Pounds ($66.00). UK and EU add 17.5% VAT. Shipping at cost overseas! Although it's going to be about 6 to 7 weeks before the photoetched brass is ready, we DO have a price, based on approximate size... 18.68 Pounds ($28.90) for the fret. This will do either the Konig or the Grosser Kurfurst. Full relief etching throughout. Order your Konig or Grosser Kurfurst from us and we will give you 20% discount on this price of the photoetched brass set when it is released (but will ship your kit straightaway of course!). E-Mails and orders to me, please, or you can use the updated order form: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wemorder.htm Thanks! Caroline http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, for a fine range of photoetched brass for 1/600, 1/700 and 1/350 scale kits, and THE finest warship kits and upgrades in the world -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume