Subject: SMML VOL 936 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:39:17 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: REUBEN JAMES Camouflage 2: LCVP kits 3: Thanks & What I am currently building 4: F4F3 aboard CV-6 5: Acryllic Gel Medium 6: Re: What I'm Building 7: Re: currently building 8: Re: Whatcha buildin'? 9: Re: Rodney in Mountbatten Pink? 10: What'cha building? 11: Re: Whatcha buildin'? 12: Publishing in FSM 13: Re: Camouflage in 1942 14: Re: Rodney in Mounbatten Pink 15: What's Building? 16: Watch buildin' 17: Re: Noah's Ark 18: Re: Whatcha buildn 19: Re: Whatcha buildin'? 20: Whats's Building 21: Re: Aaarrrrggggghhhhh!!! 22: Whatcha Building 23: National World War II Memorial 24: Current Projects 25: What I'm Building 26: Re: Whatcha Buildin' 27: Reuben James in 1941 28: 1/700 Yamashiro 29: Lema Publications 30: Re: Whatcha buildin'? 31: Soviet WWII MTB/Torpedo Cutter 32: Re: Whatcha buildin'? 33: Re: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing 34: "Cypryan Klish" 35: Fine Art Models 36: Re: Watcha building? 37: CDN city class frigates 38: Re: Various 39: whatcha buildin 40: Re: What cha building 41: What are you building? 42: Re: Noah`s Ark 43: Re: Wot I`m Building 44: Italian ships on film 45: Whatcha buildin'? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: Re: FESTIVAL OF THE SEA/SMMLConvention Portsmouth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: S-boat Bulletin Board 2: Ship Camouflage Discussion Board 3: NEW PROFILE MORSKIE "LE TERRIBLE" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: REUBEN JAMES Camouflage "The Rube" was indeed wearing Measure 2. Similar to the later Measure 12 that derived from it, Measure 2 called for painting the hull in bands of Dark Gray 5-D, Ocean Gray 5-O, and Light Gray 5-L, with everything above the deck edges painted in Light Gray 5-L. These colors will be found in our USN Set 1 paint chips, and will be the 1941 colors. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: LCVP kits While attending a MAFVA meeting last night, I was handed a flyer for a French firm called Exo Express, which caries a variety of books and kits. One of the items listed is described as 'LCVP, chaland de debarquement pour l'infanterie US', in 1/72 scale and priced at FF110. It is apparently made by a company called Armageddon. Has anyone seen one? Is it any good? Robert Lockie Cambridge UK "If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, perhaps you just don't understand the situation" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Thanks & What I am currently building Hi All, Thanks very much to everyone who responded to my question as to what camouflage the USS Reuben James was in when sunk. I'll be looking for the Alden book which I have seen many times AND CAN'T BELIEVE I STILL DON'T OWN!!!!! My current project---> finishing an MB/Blue Water Navy S-26 S-Boat--Excellent kit!! and next up(obviously): Converting Classic Warships 1/700 USS Ward to the USS Reuben James. I am still collecting reference. and have started cleaning up and preparing the kit. A great kit, Steve, and highly recommended to any other destroyer fanatics out there!!(I know, "and you don't have Alden's book...............?") Also, another possible on-topic thread: how does everyone mask off superstructures for painting decks? Do you do it freehand, use liquid mask? Use masking tape? I would be curious as to what people do. I have tried all of the above and still can't seem to settle on one method. Happy Modeling!!! John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Cataldo Torelli" Subject: F4F3 aboard CV-6 Hello, I hope this isn't very off-topic. I'm looking for info, photos, colour profiles, markings, etc of the "yellow wings" F4F3 Wildcat aboard CV-6 in early 1941, if there were any. I know there were such Wildcats in VF-41 and 42 (USS Ranger) and in VF-71 and 72 (USS Wasp). Thanks in advance, Cataldo Torelli. Madrid, Spain. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Mark Shannon" Subject: Acryllic Gel Medium In the U.S., this material is available from any of the art supply stores and I got my current supply from the local "Hobby Lobby", which carried a large selection. I use the LIquitex brand, which seems to be the most readily available. While I would not trust this brand for anything to do with oil paints, and maybe even watercolors, they seem to really do a quality job in the area of acryllics. The material is basically the raw binder/vehicle used in acryllic paints. It can be thinned with water, but they warn that more than 20-25% water can cause it to lose adhesion properties. It binds best to a rough surface, and can be a bit delicate (like Tamiya paints). It does not have as much 'bite' as the formulated paints, probably because of its viscosity. It can be used in any ratio with acryllic paints, however. It is somewhat slow drying, especially compared to the paints themselves. It is advertised, actually, as a means to slow drying time for acryllics and increase working time. It is white in the jar and as applied, drying to its final transparency. With practice, it can be built up and formed into sharp peaks, but it needs to dry for a little while before forming these unsupported or it 'slumps' under gravity into rounded shapes. Form it by using damp objects -- brushes, 'Q-tips', fingers.... Like all the acryllics, it is non-toxic when dry, and relatively non-toxic before then. It can be painted over, especially with acryllics, after drying for a while. I bought a half-pound jar for $7.50 and found I only need to use about a quarter ounce for a 5x9 sea base (fairly calm seas). For that use you mix paints into it, 'dry brush' white into it in wake areas when it is partially dry, paint over it in white paint and transparents, and seal it with Future. For forming possiblilities look at some of the pictures in the gallery at the 'Warship.Net' site or in past "Internet Modeler". Anyway, I think there are a lot more possibilities to be explored with the material than just sea-scapes. Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Russell Smith" Subject: Re: What I'm Building I just finished Kobo - Hiryu"s Dkm Koln in 1/700. I started WSW's Hms Jupiter last nite. I will start Samek's Dunkerque in a week or so. Russ Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: currently building 1/48 scale 63' MIAMI crash boat (scratch, wood) 1/32 scale PT 48 (fiberglass, wood) HILDINA (old Model Shipways wood kit) Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Whatcha buildin'? I am working on the old Monogram USS CHICAGO w/PE. Love that old ship and even if I only get only close to accuracy it will still remind me of her. Also working on the new Tamiya 1/48 Navy Skyray - what a beautiful kit. Ok, so it is an aircraft, but lately I have been adding more aircraft to enhance the ship models. To me they go hand-in-hand. Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Re: Rodney in Mountbatten Pink? Hi Dimi Looking at the photos it seems unlikely - they all seem to be AP507B to me. The later work by Raven and Roberts on Rodney and Nelson also makes no mention of Mountbatten Pink so I think it unlikely. To be fair it doesn't refer to Rodney's earlier camouflage scheme either but I don't think that in this case Rodney was given this scheme. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: What'cha building? Scratchbuilding/kitbashing a 1/350 Mauretania as a WW1 troopship... 1/700 Arleigh Burke from Skywave 1/350 USS Twining (Fletcher) as she appeared in 1963. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "FCR" Subject: Re: Whatcha buildin'? Hello List Currently and as always I am working in many ships at the same time. - USS Bataan (CVL-29) from the Skywave Independence model. Just need tofinish painting the deck figures. - IJN destroyer Yunagi from Skywave also. Cables and diorama elements are still missing. - ORP Orzel from INNEX. Diorama elements, water, and submarine turret details missing. Next projects: - USS Atlanta (CLAA-51) from Skywave. Only hull and superstructures are built. Photo-etch and painting are next. What a mess of camouflage!!! - U-137 from Mirage. So small!!! - Delta, Oscar and Alfa russian submarines from Dragon. To build a Mourmansk diorama. Compliments to all. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: james.kloek@kodak.com Subject: Publishing in FSM Rusty, I am having a similar experience with FSM. They accepted one of my articles early in 1999, and paid me for it then, and I still have no idea when it will appear. In the past I have always experienced some delay, but never quite this long before. In this case it is more than a little frustrating, since the subject is reworking the old Aoshima 1/700 Takao, and if Skywave get their new kits out before it is printed the article will be a lot less relevant. Life is apparently good at Kalmbach. Jim Kloek -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Camouflage in 1942 I have been informed that in late 1941 the Australian Navy issued a directive for their ships operating in the South Pacific Command, to the effect that warships should be painted in an overall dark blue grey. In 1942 this would apply (at least for a period) to the cruisers Australia and Canberra and some others, the names of which I am unsure. What I would like to find out is; What ships of the Australian Navy were in the South Pacific Command in the 1942 period? I realise that this is a question that is not easy to answer fully, but any help would be useful, especially as I am currently putting the finishing touches to Volume Two of Warship Camouflage.. I am especially interested in the cruiser Hobart as she appeared AFTER Coral Sea up to the end of 1942. I know that she was in the Southwest Pacific Command up to this time, but what happened to her for the balance of that year I am not sure of. As for the destroyers; not a clue! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Rodney in Mounbatten Pink Raven and Roberts don't know what they are talking about. I would suspect a color called Rodney Blew. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Ned Barnett Subject: What's Building? What's building right now is my 1/292nd scale scratchbuilt Noah's Ark - my first scratchbuilt (ever) and a departure from my more militaristic pursuits. I have a number of projects queued up waiting for the right accessories, or the right references, or the right phase of the moon. While reading Rusty White's great article in the FSM that came yesterday, I noted that next month's issue has a USS Oregon - so that project can go back-burner till I see how it's handled there. Olympia is high on my list, as is the Queen Mary and a few subs in various scales (some stock, some conversions). I think I'll wait on my U-571 diorama until the film's out on video, and wait on the Graf Zeppelin until Carolyn is persuaded to do the aircraft right (put me down for a bag) - though I once did a diorama of a model convention, and converted lots of 1/700 aircraft kits into other planes - not hard at all. However, after Mike Leonard sent me his Dresden/Emden research, and once I get the PE for that ship, I might tackle that kit next. It's calling to me ... What I need is a clone, or a time warp ... Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: BillBramha@aol.com Subject: Watch buildin' Two projects going now: 1.) 1/350 Damon M. Cummings, using Commader's Buckley DE kit 2.) 1/350 San Francisco, also from Commader's. (Just received some replacement parts from the excellent Mr. Ted Paris and now have enough to almost build two SF's.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: klmok@home.com Subject: Re: Noah's Ark >> I made my model extremely plain. Christian tradition has it that Noah was from the Mesopotamian city of Shurrupak on the Euphrates, in what is today Iraq. Although Mesopotamians did build river boats, they were not a sea power and I don't think they would have thought of the Ark as a ship in the modern sense, but rather as a barge. << The scholarship and speculation that went into the architecture of the Ark based on fragmentary evidence is truly amazing. Good arguments although I believe Tim wrote this tongue-in-cheek. Boats and the Ark would be a man made product and very much dependant on the tools and technology of that age. And that Age would point to a period between 10,000 to 5,000 years ago with weighting towards the more recent date as most surviving oral history tend to come from that era. The earliest known metallurgy in the Middle east is circa 6,500 B.C. (source. Nat.Geographic Atlas of World History) and since there is no mention of copper or metal tools in Genesis and the other Flood traditions the Noachian Episode probably predates this. The Ark was built by Noah's family and even if this referred to his immediate tribe the optimum size of a tribe in good hunting-farming land was usually around 40 of which about a dozen are male adults. The tribe still had to find food and carry on its normal life while the Ark was being built so there couldn't have been more than 10 or so people working on the project at any one time, probably using stone tools. Between 4,000 to 1,000 years ago the proto polynesians were capable of building ocean spanning boats and navigating the Pacific. 40,000 years ago New Guinea was populated which required crossing the sea at some point and Australia soon after at 38,000 yrs. ago (ibid). I haven't paid much attention to boat building before but do recall that the large boats were fire hollowed trunks of large trees. I don't remember any technology that enabled them (proto polynesians) to lash planks on frames to build the large double hulled boats used for these voyages (I stand corrected here). Perhaps an anthropologist can make a co-relation between the tapering off of those pioneering migrations to the supply of suitable trees. The point made in this paragraph is that Ice Age H. sapiens was capable of building ocean crossing water craft for people and the few domesticated animals they had then. That said water craft up to perhaps 50 feet long were within the capabilities of early man. Probably larger craft was beyond the technology of the day and in any case there was little call for large craft as pre metallurgical population centres (Mesopotamian "cities") probaly meant around 2000 people or so and their traded goods would have been modest. The reference to the use of pitch for caulking is an interesting confirmation to the presence of oilfield seepages, a common resource from that region. All in all the Ark is probably a pius invention after the fact but the Flood itself is probably based on fact as it seems to be a fairly universal folklore across many early civilizations. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: Whatcha buildn Right now, I'm working on a NNT 1/700 Radetzky and a Tamiya 1/700 Tama. Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Felix Bustelo" Subject: Re: Whatcha buildin'? This is a good thread that should occur every now and then: Currently I am working on two projects: I am about 40% done with my Airfix HMS Ajax build as she appeared in the Med about mid 1941 (anybody with the Raven & Roberts Cruiser book or the Profile Morskie volume on the Ajax can see what she looked like them). While the paint was drying on some Ajax sub assemblies I started working on the Iron Shipwight kit of the SS Brooklyn tugboat. Since the kit comes with two complete models I am building one as a full hull and the other as a waterline model. Hey, I guess I am actually working on 3 models. Every so often I will look at the kits piled up in the closet and under my workbench and I sigh... Felix Bustelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Whats's Building I am pressently in the midst of several projects. First priority is the repair of a 4' model of the CALIFORNIA. All 4 masts were broken in a minimum of 3 places with the foremast broke into 6 pieces. Customer says the shipping case was turned upside down! To complicate matters it has full sails! A model of the USS Icefish (SS-367) Gato class sub built in Manitowoc, WI and floated to the Gulf of Mexico via Lake Michigan, the Chicago River the Canal and IL River through Lemont, IL in 1944. Using the Revell model with the Nautilus resin conning tower. Also scratch building the 330' floating drydock they used to transport the 28 Manitowoc subs from Lemont to the Gulf as well as the M/V Minnesotta the towboat that pushed almost all of these subs and the floating drydock to the Gulf. A friends father was the pilot on the Minnesotta for all these trips. 1/350 Brooklyn tug kit by Commander models is also on the ways. A long term project that is on the drawing board (literally) is a 1/48 scale model of The City of Pekin an Illinois and Michigan (I&M) Canal boat (buily 1875) in its later powered transformation from when it had been pulled up and down the I&M by mules. This is being built plank on frame exactly as the original boat per the HAMMS plans. The I&M Canal passes through Lemont, IL just south of my house as well as the Chicago & parallels the Sanitary Ship Canal that now links Lake Michigan with the Des Plaines River and then to the Illinois River - this is the route used by the Manitowoc subs. A Tamiya 1/350 USS Fletcher is also on the bench. Using GMM photo etch parts. Being built for a neighbor who served on it. That's what I have going - good thing I have lots of bench space. Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: MGross1352@aol.com Subject: Re: Aaarrrrggggghhhhh!!! That PT/Israeli missleboat has no Bratwurst on it. They use a Hebrew National hot dog launcher; (they answer to a higher authority). The hot dog is 1:1 by the way, which makes it difficult to use with a 1:72nd model. I suggest it be used with a 1:1 bun and appropriate condiments-mustard not crazy glue. Enjoy, Mark Grossman from lovely New Jersey where the hot dog harvest will occur shortly. Who needs cheesy poofs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: " " Subject: Whatcha Building I'm currently on the back side of making a career of building the Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher as the USS O'Bannon in Ms12mod camoflauge as worn, IMHO, at the first naval battle of Guadlacanal. I waterlined the hull and have replaced the rear quad 40mm with a bashed twin 20mm. Sources differ on this armament, and many say that the quad 1.1 was carried, but Hammel in his book on the battle is pretty dilligent with his research, so I'm trusting him. Hope to finish soon and will post pics when I'm done. Todd Henry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: National World War II Memorial http://www.wwiimemorial.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: TechnoInfidel@webtv.net (John Collins) Subject: Current Projects Greetings SMMLmates: Models upon which I am currently working: 1/700 Hasegawa IJN Kongo; Skywave JMSDF Kongo; 1/72 Hasegawa A6M3, Type 22 Zero; and, 1/144 LS Kawanishi Emily flying boat. I just recently finished Hasegawa 1/700 IJN Harashima class minelayer and Minesweeper #19. So, who is planning to attend the IPMS/USA nationals next month? John Collins Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Chris Christenson" Subject: What I'm Building Right now I'm building a couple of Smer Drakkar Viking ships for my dad's Fathers Day present. Mostly OOB, painting to suit my own idea of what the colors were. My wife even contributed some cloth to replace the molded plastic sails (of course she was wearing the shirt at the time :0 ). I even plan to put them in display cases which I'll make out of hardwood and plexiglas. In short a nice break from hours of research (I did look up a couple of websites just to point me in the right direction) and acute cases of AMS. Maybe the Revell PT-109 next or one of the 16 Me-109s in my (ever growing) collection. Chris Christenson From a very hot Ord, Nebraska Go Huskers!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Dave Judy Subject: Re: Whatcha Buildin' Just putting last detail on the USS Great Sitkin AE-17 ( converted from Revell Burliegh ) Dave Judy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: Clifford Franklin Subject: Reuben James in 1941 Warship International had a short piece on Reuben James' 1941 measure 2 camouflage in their January 1997 issue. It included a drawing showing the scheme used. Other than the sources already mentioned, Life Magazine also had some good photos in their late 1941 issues (sorry I can't remember which exact ones.) As to what I'm building, I have just finished painting a group of scratch built JKN class destroyers in early WW2 camouflage schemes. Boy, was their a lot of guess work involved! cheers Cliff Franklin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: 1/700 Yamashiro Hi all, Today I send an e-mail to Pitroad to find out if they are planning to release the battleship Yamashiro after their Fuso kit. Yamashiro is one of the most amazing looking warships ever built for my taste and she had some major differences with the Fuso on the superstructure. Pitroad representatives were very nice enough to respond immediately for my inquiry and told me that their priority for the moment is the cruisers Sussex and Prinz Eugen. Yamashiro is however in their near future plan. Best Regards Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Lema Publications Last night I discovered a new (1999) series of books by Lema Publications of Spain. Called "Armament and Technology", the author is Camil Busquets, translation to English by Mike Roberts. Each volume is a soft cover, 95-page comparative look at the weapons, sensors, and propulsion systems of modern naval vessels. Each page has at least two color photographs. (A minor criticism here: many of the ships shown are not identified in the photo captions.) A&T Volume #1 is "Aircraft Carriers, Submarines, and Cruisers" and consists of: -New and future aircraft carriers -Light and medium aircraft carriers -Attack aircraft carriers of the US Navy -Lightweight squadron aircraft carriers -Russian aircraft carriers -Amphibious assault ships -Ballistic missile nuclear submarines -4th generation conventional submarines -Submarine weapons -Nuclear attack submarines -Present day conventional submarines -Modern anti-submarine warfare -From the Ticonderoga to DD-21 -Russian cruisers -Aegis protection -Modern navy propulsion systems -SAM missiles and their launchers A&T Volume #2 is "Destroyers, Frigates, and Corvettes" and consists of: -US Navy destroyers -European destroyers -Other destroyers -Russian destroyers -Electronic sensors -Russian frigates -The Oliver Hazard Perry and similar ships -Frigates of the future -Modern day frigates -MEKO frigates -Stealth technology -Asian frigates -French frigates of the past and future -Point defence -Combat corvettes -All purpose corvettes -Naval artillery A&T Volume #3 is "Minehunters, Patrol Boats, and Logistics" and consists of: -Modern minesweepers (I) -Mine warfare -Modern minesweepers (II) -Minesweepers and ROV -Advanced naval technology -Missile patrol vessels -Replenishment -OPV patrol ships -Amphibious vessels of the US Navy -Air cushion vehicles -All purpose amphibious vessels (I) -All purpose amphibious vessels (II) -New materials and propellers -Logistic support -Dutch-Spanish logistic vessels -Other logistic and auxiliary ships -The bridge and the CIC This is a terrific series. Each book lists for US$ 16.95. The US distributor is identified as Seven Hills Books. Lema publishes a similar four-volume set on military aircraft and helicopters. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "Bruce Ross" Subject: Re: Whatcha buildin'? Let's see...... there's a 1/144 model of U.S.S. Stevens DD-479. She's one of the aircraft carrying Fletchers. The model is almost entirely scratchbuilt, and is about 70% done. I'm adding details and getting ready for painting. Then there's the U.S.S. San Francisco CA-38 in 1/144 that I'm trying to put the final touches on, amazing how those last details slow down the process. A CW 1/350 U.S.S. Sims built as Hughes DD-410 as she was in late 1942 is also being painted in Ms 12 mod. And I'm embarassed to admit it........but I'm building one of those wingy things!! The IPMS club I belong to decided they wanted to enter a group project; being in Fort Worth the home of the F-16 guess what they decided to build. Well I was doing pretty good holding out until they remembered the the Navy had F-16N's for aggressor training. Oh well, I've got 1 month to finish it. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: DECOFELIX@aol.com Subject: Soviet WWII MTB/Torpedo Cutter Hello, Recently noticed for sale in my hobby shop,(U.S.), a Russian WWII MTB, the type loosely based on the Thornycroft 55' CMB. I did not purchase at the time and now cannot find any further information. The box was perhaps eight inches in length with details in Cyrillic. The model pieces are white plastic as with some of the Russian manufactured Aurora cruiser kits. Interested in obtaining a kit. All leads are appreciated. Kind Regards, Felix Corraliza -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Whatcha buildin'? John Sheridan wrote: >> Right now, I'm building the Classic Warships 1/530th USS Alaska kit as the USS Guam in her MS32/7c scheme. << Don't tell me Steve is making ships in BOX scale? Marc :^D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: "Peter K. H. Mispelkamp" Subject: Re: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing To Bob O'Conner Thanks for your support. I am assuming you are in for two bags of the 109T's only [some with folded wings natch :)))] Let me know if you are interested in either of the others. Hopefully some more of you will take up the challenge. I am assuming that WEM will be able to provide at least four 109T's per bag, and two each of the others. I think a good size on-deck air group should consist of 6 109T's, 2-4 Ju 87's, 2-4 Fi 167's. So far the orders are: Plane Qty Bf-109T 5 Ju 87B/C 3 Fi 167 3 Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) From: "Cypryan Klish" Subject: What are you building? Current projects are Airfix 1/600 HMS Hood and HMS Iron Duke, augmented by WEM photoetch and WEM Pro-600 resin parts. 'be interested in hearing from anyone else doing the same, especially if, like me, you're correcting any of the inaccuracies of these kits. To kick things off, on the Hood, I've: - Corrected the profile of the shaft structs with putty. - Added windows to the spotting top and lookout platform using WEM vertical ladder stock. - Added ventilation trunks around the barbettes using plastic stock. - Filed off the boat booms on the hull and replaced with proferly profiled brass rod. - Replaced the out-of-round mast struts with brass rod. - Added the missing booms to the searchlight platform. - Drilled countless scuttles and portholes. - Will add gaffs when the masts are finished. Next experiment will be to mold bilge keels based on those on the Airfix HMS Repulse. 'might also take a crack at hose and hawser reels. Kip Klish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Mike Settle Subject: Fine Art Models Greetings Fellow SMMLies, If this has been mentioned before, just chalk it up to old age and a failing memory, but the models on the following website have to be seen to be believed. The company is Fine Art Models, and among various types of models, they have absolutely beautiful 1/192 scale models of the Arizona, Missouri, Yorktown, Bismarck, and others, as well as a 1/48 scale model of the Titanic. That's right - 1/48th scale. These people have definitely raised the bar on excellence. http://www.fineartmodels.com/ Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: "David" Subject: Re: Watcha building? I joined this list a week ago and have been lurking. Now I say 'hello' to everyone -- I'm currently in the early stages of Heller's Z-31 destroyer, and not too pleased with the way it's going. I'm an 'intermediate' level modeler and felt a bit out of my depth with this kit from the beginning. Main problem is with the color scheme. I couldn't find a key to the Heller paint numbers anywhere, not in the directions, not in any of the unbuilt Heller kits I've got here, and not on the internet. Nor have I been able to find a good color photo of this class, so I'm just going by the box art. The mystery could be unlocked if I had the key to this cryptic formula: PEINTURE HELLER: 11 - 27 - 33 - 34 - 56 - 64 - 71 - 73 - 98 - 99 Can anyone help me with this? I started the kit anyway, and have done a little minor painting on some of the smaller subassemblies but it's not too late to go back and get it right; I just need to know what colors those numbers represent, and, hopefully, a US source of Heller paints if I can't make close matches out of what I've already got here. 'Nother question: do the railings that come with the kit look good on the finished model, or should I just get photoetched rails and forget the plastic ones? Hope you'll bear with a gawky amateur -- I'm learning a lot reading your messages and have a lot of respect for the cumulative experience behind them. David Hackley Sharpsburg MD USA Hi David, Welcome to the madhouse. Don't worry about being a "gawky amateur" - just jump in and ask. Hell if these people can put with me, they'll put up with nearly anything ;-). Now to your query: try & get a hold of Dan Jones's "Plastic Ship Modeller" backissues - he did a very good series on Z class DDs, as well as a very good series on german camouflage. Email Dan at: mailto:dhjonespsm@juno.com for the best way to get them. Also, check out my index to ship related magazine articles (Shiplist) under the reference section of the APMA website at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm The latest update to this will be posted in the next 24 hours & will include new listings for IPMS(Canada) "Random Thoughts" & the IPMS(UK) magazine Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: "Velzora & Bill Daisley" Subject: CDN city class frigates >> In the Future....waiting most impatiently for Commander Series to get the Photoetch for the Canadian Patrol Frigate in 1/350 Resin. Seriously those folks are going to hit Block sender on my email addie! I plan to do the kit up as HMCS Halifax, which is my hometown ship. I see a lot of her, 6 sisters based here as well. It will be interesting to see what you all are working on....good thread! << OK ! What resin kit ? WHERE? how much, how good, any reviews w/pics ??? Bill TGH @ BAD Productions Hi Bill, Check out the following site: http://www.commanderseries.com/ Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) From: isublett@home.com Subject: Re: Various As for "codpiece", oh good grief, another shower falls for Rabelais' ancient joke. A codpiece is a Medieval(in deference to Europe, Mediaeval)J**kst**pe, and nothing more. As for what I am doing now: Mikasa - what a gem! Lets hope Sealsmodels(?)does much, much more. Although, Pacific Front lists a number I hope to get eventually. One more thing: after looking at all the SMMLCon stuff, perhaps there should never be another. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: whatcha buildin Hi all. Ah, I like this sort of thread! I have just started the Mauretania (1:600) in Cunard colours. Nothing fancy like AMC, troopship, hospital ship or anything. So far I have stuck the two hull halves together and am preparing to paint. Also, my scratchbuilt R/C Hood is nearing 'operational' status, and only requires the addition of the finer details. Everything seems to be working properly, apart from some vibration in the starboard shaft. I'll have to fix that soon as it is causing minor leaking in that area. I hope to have pictures on the web shortly for anyone interested. Regards, Stuart Robottom -- there's finally water in the dam again! http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40) From: Growlrr@aol.com Subject: Re: What cha building Having a great time - I about 75% throught Toms Modelworks USS Arizona - early 1940 - phenominal kit - This is the special "limited edition " version that has another fret of fiddly bits to make your eyes bleed - but man! when they all come together it is truly a sight - Also finishing up a 1/72 DC-3 for a customer... Yes Alan I know - The book, the book - Speaking of which, just to keep you guys in the loop - layout has begun on Alan Raven's contribution to Warship Perspectives - "RN Camouflage in WWII Volume One: 1939-1941". Give me about three weeks to complete, another couple of weeks give or take for final editing and printing and it is off and running...Volume Two 1942-1945 (I think) will follow shortly thereafter.. Glenn. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 41) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: What are you building? Great thread. Have just finished the Skywave Akashi with GMM PE - great PE set. Finishing the painting on the Hasegawa Heian Maru Currently working on the 1/700 Sendai in late war fit to be followed by the Abakuma and Naka, all also in final configurations. On the back-burner Heller 1/400 Illustrious and WEM 1/700 Bluebell. After that, well only a few hundred unbuilt kits to go..... John Sutherland Wellington, New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 42) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Noah`s Ark Hi; Just for completeness. There have been some recent, last 25 years, expeditions on Mount Ararat. There have been 2 that I know of. One speaker came to the college I was attending in 1975 and gave lectures, with slides, of his visits. He had specimens of wood, in acrylic, of wood from the structure he found on the mountain. There was a program last year, or 98?, on US tv with pictures, some arial. This was a more current expedition. Seems to have been robbed and threatened by bandits. The main speaker in both cases was, IIRC, Ferdanand Navarra (sp?). Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 43) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Wot I`m Building Hi; Still working, slowly, on PT Dockyard 1:600 Italian DE SPICA in resin. Hung up on unpacking!! Still got over 1000 books to unpack. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 44) From: "Fred Liedel" Subject: Italian ships on film For those of you that live in Australia, SBS this Sunday [10.30 Brisbane time] is showing the movie La Nava Bianca. The footage of Italian ships in this movie is the best i have ever seen. Included is footage of inside the bridge, turrets and engine rooms of one of the Littorio class as well as the hit scored on Ceaser by Warspite. The list goes on and on. But don't get put off. When you may think its is slowing down, even at the end there is some really great footage of the Littorio class sailing past. It's worth the propaganda. Fred Liedel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 45) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: Whatcha buildin'? Marc Flake wrote: >> I'm about to start on the Seals Models MIKASA. What's everybody else doing On Topic? << I'm scratch-building building a 1/72 scale Royal Navy Type 21 Frigate, HMS Ambuscade for radio control. It's going to have independently controlled electric engines, and with my 7 channel FM radio, I can operate engines, rudders, turn lights on and off, sound, morse from aldis lamp, rotate the helo rotors, and I'm going to have a go at a neat trick I saw once that allows a model to drop the slip line under radio control. The model's 5'4" long (162cm) just fits inside my station wagon. (Should have seen the face on the car salesman when I said no, I needed the station wagon so I could fit my ship inside it!) I'm writing the story of the model on my web site in an occasional diary at: http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.html if anyone's interested. Cheers, Mike Kear ModelWarship72, Windsor, NSW, Australia http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/tf72.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: Re: FESTIVAL OF THE SEA/SMMLConvention Portsmouth So, Guys, I have been contacted, so far, by 18 folks from overseas, and 55 folks from the U.K. re. a SMML get-together at FOTS. Still VERY early days, but if YOU could be there at the end of August 2001, let me know! One of the things that I will be doing for Master Mike Dunn if he likes, is assemble a bunch of pix from the last FOTS and some of my photos of the Historic Dockyard for the SMML webpages.. have I got some cool pix of HMS Warrior and Victory... and of course, Master Shane and Mistress Lorna WILL be coming to this one... guaranteed.... coz myself and one or two other bods will be helping 'em on their way! I emphasise that due to the size of the FOTS, a series of informal get-togethers seems to be the way to go, then an afternoon session, with a model display, a look through Jim's "Museum", and then the (probably extremely drinking-orientated!) evening party and barbeque organised by Jim Baumann (he's gotta swimming pool too...). Transport would be arranged from the main hotel for this event, and back again, as Jim lives about 20 minutes drive from Portsmouth. In discussion with others, if folks wanted to visit other places of interest such as HMS Belfast, the Maritime Museum, the Public Records Office, Chatham Dockyard etc. before or after the event, then I could do something like I did for the U.K. IPMS "SCALE MODELWORLD" event in October. Check that one out to get an idea! http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/modelworld2000.htm ...with some text but a load of links and pointers and maybe get Mike to post that on the website.. Mike?? Remember that to get anywhere in the U.K. takes only a short time compared to the vastness of America. We have train services running to every corner of these islands (then you have to catch a boat or cat!). Even the Historic Dockyard at Birkenhead is only about 5 hours drive from Portsmouth. Chatham Docks is about 2 to 3 hours drive away. Some SMMLlies are already offering their services (even a bed for the night and airport collection for anyone who might feel disorientated arriving at Heathrow .. Thanks to Phil Gollin, bless him!) I can definitely feel a Portsmouth visit coming up soon... got to check out the hotels, after all!! Caroline Carter http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: S-boat Bulletin Board Hi I have just set up a bulletin board for S-boats, anybody who's interested go to: http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1111834&TL= and bookmark it. Cheers Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Ship Camouflage Discussion Board For some time now I've been thinking about asking our webmaster, John Sheridan, about how hard it would be to add a discussion board or message board to our website. Well, John must be a mindreader because he e-mailed me tonight to say he'd done just that. You can find it by selecting the new button on the main page at: http://www.shipcamouflage.com, or by going directly to: http://members.boardhost.com/shipcamouflage/ We'd like to see the board used for everything from discussions on the subject of naval camouflage in general to ship-specific questions and answers...a place to both gather and disseminate information. All we ask is that posts be on-topic, and remain civil. See you there! John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: NEW PROFILE MORSKIE "LE TERRIBLE" Hi Guys In stock today... BS Press Profile Morskie No. 26 "LE TERRIBLE" 7.99 Pounds ($12.38) 27 photos, 52pp, Lines, P+P in 1/400 Scale. 1/400 Plan and Profile in colour 1944. Back cover.. colour isometric view of her in 1943. Also, VERY nice 1:700 Scale drawings, great for detailing up the very nice WSW 1/700 Scale kit of the subject. 25 pages of 1/100 Scale details from boats thru to weapons.. BTW, the WSW 1/700 Le Terrible kit is available from us at 24.63 Pounds ($38.00).U.K. Add VAT at 17.5% to kit price. Caroline Carter Please check out Chris Drage's fjordic diorama of HMS Penelope in 1/700 Scale: http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/penedrage/penedrage.htm http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models White Ensign Models, for a fine range of photoetched brass for 1/600, 1/700 and 1/350 scale kits, and THE finest warship kits and upgrades in the world -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume